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*** ''[[Troper/DonaldthePotholer Not]]'' the OP: First up: you're saying that an event that could trigger [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt a civilization- (if not universe-)ending crisis]] is Gamefreak's '''[[ValuesDissonance idea of a distraction]]'''? [[PokemonRedAndBlue Team Rocket's antics, back in the day]], ''could'' qualify as a "distraction", but their problem is that they're ''[[ButThouMust literally]]'' in your way of your goal. Apart from their guards blocking up the paths to at least two gyms, [[hottip:*:[[VideoGame/PokemonGoldAndSilver in each "generation"]], as well as taking advantage of [[ChaosArchitecture the Cerulean Planning Commission]],]] the PlayerCharacter, by all rights, should be allowed to just shrug and say "[[SomebodyElsesProblem Not my problem]], I just want ToBeAMaster." At which point, it should be the writers' responsibility to ''[[VideogameCrueltyPotential make]]'' the player [[VideogameCaringPotential care]] [[NoPointsForNeutrality about the problem]]. [[ButThouMust But the player is]] ''[[{{Railroading}} never given the choice]]''. Of course, when [[VideoGame/PokemonRubyAndSapphire two titans clash over populated areas]] [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt threatening the destruction of those areas]], only the worst {{Jerkass}} or [[DirtyCoward Coward]] wouldn't try to find ''some'' way of intervening. But, at that point, it becomes ''[[ApatheticCitizens everybody's]]'' [[ApatheticCitizens problem]]. Yet, it's AllUpToYou and you alone.[[hottip:*:This ''is'' a common problem in RPGs. I'm thinking that the OP's objection is that solving this problem is not "[[AWinnerIsYou The End]]", a nailbiting (yet Anti-Climatic in the face of taking down a terrorist group) fight against 5 expert fighters is.]]

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*** ''[[Troper/DonaldthePotholer Not]]'' the OP: First up: you're saying that an event that could trigger [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt a civilization- (if not universe-)ending crisis]] is Gamefreak's '''[[ValuesDissonance idea of a distraction]]'''? [[PokemonRedAndBlue Team Rocket's antics, back in the day]], ''could'' qualify as a "distraction", but their problem is that they're ''[[ButThouMust literally]]'' in your way of your goal. Apart from their guards blocking up the paths to at least two gyms, [[hottip:*:[[VideoGame/PokemonGoldAndSilver in each "generation"]], as well as taking advantage of [[ChaosArchitecture the Cerulean Planning Commission]],]] the PlayerCharacter, by all rights, should be allowed to just shrug and say "[[SomebodyElsesProblem Not my problem]], I just want ToBeAMaster." At which point, it should be the writers' responsibility to ''[[VideogameCrueltyPotential make]]'' the player [[VideogameCaringPotential care]] [[NoPointsForNeutrality about the problem]]. [[ButThouMust But the player is]] ''[[{{Railroading}} never given the choice]]''. Of course, when [[VideoGame/PokemonRubyAndSapphire two titans clash over populated areas]] [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt threatening the destruction of those areas]], only the worst {{Jerkass}} or [[DirtyCoward Coward]] wouldn't try to find ''some'' way of intervening. But, at that point, it becomes ''[[ApatheticCitizens everybody's]]'' [[ApatheticCitizens problem]]. Yet, it's AllUpToYou and you alone.[[hottip:*:This ''is'' a common problem in RPGs.[=RPGs=]. I'm thinking that the OP's objection is that solving this problem is not "[[AWinnerIsYou The End]]", a nailbiting (yet Anti-Climatic in the face of taking down a terrorist group) fight against 5 expert fighters is.]]

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** I wonder if he'll ever use something like Lantana.
* I can understand people not bothering with the "é", but I get annoyed when I see "'''p'''okemon", and ''really'' annoyed when I see "'''p'''ok'''''é'''''mon". If you can bother with the accent, then WHY CAN'T YOU BOTHER WITH THE CAPITAL?
** The official explanation from people who routinely do this is that English-speaking people do not capitalize such words as "animal" and "mouse", and thus shouldn't capitalize such words as "pokémon" and "pikachu". Such arguments then get into the English rules for proper nouns, the existing trademarks for such terms and their lack of relevance in fanfiction, and ultimately [[FlameWar insults toward anyone who dares to capitalize those words]]. These arguments are rarely worth the time.
** Indeed. If you're talking about the general creature rather than the game (or trademark) or a specific mon (such as "Pikachu, Ash's pikachu"), I don't see why to capitalize (or why bother if someone doesn't do so).
*** Ok, now explain those that capitalize general Pokémon names, yet still repeatedly don't capitalize "Pokémon" itself. Because, on this Wiki at least, I see them far more often than those that don't capitalize either.
**** People think the pokémon species names are proper nouns? I don't know, let them answer!
***** Yes. Yes, they are.
** Let's say you're writing a Pokémon fanfic. Would the characters, if the story is written in English, go around saying "my Pokémon is awesome!" or "my pokémon is awesome!"? Which would actually make sense in a world where the name "Pokémon" is not copyrighted by a company? That would be like writing a story in English where you say all the time "my Animal is cute!" instead of "my animal is cute!".
* Why is Pokemon so goddamn so slow? I mean, really, it's to the point that I'd rather play it on an emulator where I can run it at 500% speed. Running boots are an improvement, but not nearly enough. The animations and tons of dialog take forever.
** The animations can be turned off, and the text can be made faster.

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** I wonder if he'll ever use something like Lantana.
* I can understand people not bothering with the "é", but I get annoyed when I see "'''p'''okemon", and ''really'' annoyed when I see "'''p'''ok'''''é'''''mon". If you can bother with the accent, then WHY CAN'T YOU BOTHER WITH THE CAPITAL?
** The official explanation from people who routinely do this is that English-speaking people do not capitalize such words as "animal" and "mouse", and thus shouldn't capitalize such words as "pokémon" and "pikachu". Such arguments then get into the English rules for proper nouns, the existing trademarks for such terms and their lack of relevance in fanfiction, and ultimately [[FlameWar insults toward anyone who dares to capitalize those words]]. These arguments are rarely worth the time.
** Indeed. If you're talking about the general creature rather than the game (or trademark) or a specific mon (such as "Pikachu, Ash's pikachu"), I don't see why to capitalize (or why bother if someone doesn't do so).
*** Ok, now explain those that capitalize general Pokémon names, yet still repeatedly don't capitalize "Pokémon" itself. Because, on this Wiki at least, I see them far more often than those that don't capitalize either.
**** People think the pokémon species names are proper nouns? I don't know, let them answer!
***** Yes. Yes, they are.
** Let's say you're writing a Pokémon fanfic. Would the characters, if the story is written in English, go around saying "my Pokémon is awesome!" or "my pokémon is awesome!"? Which would actually make sense in a world where the name "Pokémon" is not copyrighted by a company? That would be like writing a story in English where you say all the time "my Animal is cute!" instead of "my animal is cute!".
* Why is Pokemon so goddamn so slow? I mean, really, it's to the point that I'd rather play it on an emulator where I can run it at 500% speed. Running boots are an improvement, but not nearly enough. The animations and tons of dialog take forever.
** The animations can be turned off, and the text can be made faster.
Lantana..



* Why does nintendo insist on making pal park only accessible via past GBA games in the series? It not only limits the experience but also costs you various other Pokémon to capture from previous gens.
** Because Nintendo and GameFreak (Did you know [[MisBlamed Nintendo isn't the sole developer for Pokemon? It's true]]) wanted backwards compatibility. Remember how much hatred Ruby, sapphire, and Emerald got when people said "WTF I CAN'T TRADE MY LEVEL 100 MEWTWO FROM GOLD SILVER AND CRYSTAL?!?" Well the probably wanted to avert that, or just use the technology for the DS game to interact with the GBA game in the GBA slot on most DS games. (It's not the only game that does that - Feel the Magic or whatever changes your girlfriend's hair depending on which game was in the GBA slot)
** (Nintendo's only the publisher. They never actually ''made'' any of the games, unless there were some spin-offs I missed)
** First of all: what do you mean by "insist"? Pal Park only exists in the newer generation, which had only three games, launched in two batches(Di/Pe together, Pl after). It's not like they'd change it drastically from one DS game to another... Second, how would it be available if not for GBA games? The DS cannot play GB/GBC games due to some weird cartridge issues. Now please expand on the subject, cause your question didn't make much sense.
*** Not true. It's also in HG/SS.
** He probably wants to go there without having to transfer Pokemon from the GBA...but what's the point?
*** High scores in the catching game?
**** You can transfer the Pokémon only once and then try and catch them how many times you wish, since you have the option of not keeping them with you. Not transferring Pokémon would raise the question of which Pokémon would be there in first place.
*** Gotta say the whole Pal Park thing is basically screwed if you have a DSi.
**** This should probably go in JustBugsMe/Nintendo, but why didn't Nintendo program the DS/Lite/i/XL to know what model it is (or does it)? It shouldn't tease you with the Pal Park if you're playing on a DSi. I have no qualms with the maps and stuff being obviously there, but if you're playing on a DSi and there are no Pokemon there. I have that last part there because it is obviously possible for someone to borrow their friend's DS Lite for a minute, transfer their Pokemon, and boot it up on their DSi. Thus, if their's a pokemon there, continue as normal, else, say "The Pal Park does not work on the Nintendo DSi".
**** Well, most players have stopped playing GBA games long ago.

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* Why does nintendo insist on making pal park only accessible via past GBA games in the series? It not only limits the experience but also costs you various other Pokémon to capture from previous gens.
** Because Nintendo and GameFreak (Did you know [[MisBlamed Nintendo isn't the sole developer for Pokemon? It's true]]) wanted backwards compatibility. Remember how much hatred Ruby, sapphire, and Emerald got when people said "WTF I CAN'T TRADE MY LEVEL 100 MEWTWO FROM GOLD SILVER AND CRYSTAL?!?" Well the probably wanted to avert that, or just use the technology for the DS game to interact with the GBA game in the GBA slot on most DS games. (It's not the only game that does that - Feel the Magic or whatever changes your girlfriend's hair depending on which game was in the GBA slot)
** (Nintendo's only the publisher. They never actually ''made'' any of the games, unless there were some spin-offs I missed)
** First of all: what do you mean by "insist"? Pal Park only exists in the newer generation, which had only three games, launched in two batches(Di/Pe together, Pl after). It's not like they'd change it drastically from one DS game to another... Second, how would it be available if not for GBA games? The DS cannot play GB/GBC games due to some weird cartridge issues. Now please expand on the subject, cause your question didn't make much sense.
*** Not true. It's also in HG/SS.
** He probably wants to go there without having to transfer Pokemon from the GBA...but what's the point?
*** High scores in the catching game?
**** You can transfer the Pokémon only once and then try and catch them how many times you wish, since you have the option of not keeping them with you. Not transferring Pokémon would raise the question of which Pokémon would be there in first place.
*** Gotta say the whole Pal Park thing is basically screwed if you have a DSi.
**** This should probably go in JustBugsMe/Nintendo, but why didn't Nintendo program the DS/Lite/i/XL to know what model it is (or does it)? It shouldn't tease you with the Pal Park if you're playing on a DSi. I have no qualms with the maps and stuff being obviously there, but if you're playing on a DSi and there are no Pokemon there. I have that last part there because it is obviously possible for someone to borrow their friend's DS Lite for a minute, transfer their Pokemon, and boot it up on their DSi. Thus, if their's a pokemon there, continue as normal, else, say "The Pal Park does not work on the Nintendo DSi".
**** Well, most players have stopped playing GBA games long ago.



* Why oh why did they change Ambush to Sucker Punch in the English translation? More than half the Pokémon that learn it haven't got an arm between them!
** It's Japanese name is really "Surprise Attack", which is probably longer than the limit... and "Ambush" implies you start the battle that way.
** Sucker Punch doesn't seem like that bad a name really, if you don't take it literally.
** If you want to go into FridgeLogic, Prinplup learns Ice Claw, and WOOPER learns Ice PUNCH! EXPLAIN THAT!
*** Prinplup has claws. On its ''feet''. No in-game (or anime) explanation for Whooper, but have you ever seen [[InvisibleAnatomy Homestar Runner]]?
*** In the anime, Wooper used Ice Punch by attack with its tail.
**** The Piplup Line has wings that grow into bladed weapons over the evolutions. Empoleon specifically is said to have wings sharp enough to slice up drifting ice. That's why they're steel types, and why they learn the "claw" attacks.
**** Beneath Empoleon's wings are its three claws.

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* Why oh why did they change Ambush to Sucker Punch in the English translation? More than half the Pokémon that learn it haven't got an arm between them!
** It's Japanese name is really "Surprise Attack", which is probably longer than the limit... and "Ambush" implies you start the battle that way.
** Sucker Punch doesn't seem like that bad a name really, if you don't take it literally.
** If you want to go into FridgeLogic, Prinplup learns Ice Claw, and WOOPER learns Ice PUNCH! EXPLAIN THAT!
*** Prinplup has claws. On its ''feet''. No in-game (or anime) explanation for Whooper, but have you ever seen [[InvisibleAnatomy Homestar Runner]]?
*** In the anime, Wooper used Ice Punch by attack with its tail.
**** The Piplup Line has wings that grow into bladed weapons over the evolutions. Empoleon specifically is said to have wings sharp enough to slice up drifting ice. That's why they're steel types, and why they learn the "claw" attacks.
**** Beneath Empoleon's wings are its three claws.



* The world detailed in ''Pokemon'' is an interesting one. It's populated by humans and Pokemon, and this distinction in the mindset exists even when you consider the multiple species of Pokemon involved. Pokemon specialize in battling, almost always seem to enjoy doing so, and it is heavily implied that it is through such battles that they mature and improve themselves. Human society seems to have noticed, and has devoted a large amount of resources to this process. This includes safe and comfortable transportation, development of items to cater to their every need, a method of healing their injuries that is not only present everywhere but ''doesn't even cost money'', and a league devoted to helping people who are new to the process become better at it, as well as rewarding them for taking up the mantle if they do exceptionally well. In fact, it is often questioned if people can live their lives in a way that has nothing to do with Pokemon at all. Now, with all this said, you'd almost get the idea that ''the entire world of Pokemon'' was designed to make the concept of battling as legitimate, beneficial, harmless (in the long run) and enjoyable as possible. So '''why''' are there so many fanfics, parodies, arguments, and IJBM topics devoted to the belief that in truth, Pokemon training is ''no better than cockfighting''? I understand the interest in alternate viewpoints and partial deconstruction, but it rings hollow when the franchise went out of its way to eliminate ''everything'', aside from the occasional dramatic element, that makes the real life version unsavory, cruel and illegal.
** Woah. Okay, allow me to point some considerations:
### No matter what, how or who, people will completely lose the point about any fiction universe ever invented. Really, if some people don't get the obvious message in HarryPotter about racism and all, how you suppose everyone will get this one? Really, before you wrote this whole paragraph, I didn't quite see the things this way, though I wasn't radical about "Pokéfight = cockfight" in any sense, too...
### Pokémon are, at first, animals(and also plants, rocks, et cetera). Pokémon's universe is, unless where noted, just like ours. Thus, how would people(and I) realize that animal fighting is part of Pokéverse in a way very different than ours, if it was ''not'' noted? Mostly they give us the idea that people are, somehow, obsessed with Pokémon fighting, not touching the moral repercussions of that.
### And now, something I'd say to you, and also to the people who write those sorts of fanfiction: you're dwelling way to much into these matters. This is a game. MST3KMantra, okay?
### And, just for finals: the way you put it, it's like a Pokémon version of the Fight Club, minus the whole conspiration stuff. Illegal and cruel, maybe not; but still not very healthy...
*** To be fair on the point of dwelling too much on certain matters, while annoying, it's still just pointing out something that bugs them.
** Apparently, it wasn't, though. See ''[[PokemonRanger Pokémon Ranger]]''.
** Guillotine. Acid. Dream eater. Nightmare. Leech seed. Now imagine being on the receiving end of that in the real world. It's just like all those crazy images that reinterpret Super Mario in a serious light, with BadAss plumbers crushing turtles and mushroom things to death beneath their feet.
** I don't believe in the Pokemon Fighting=Cockfighting thing, but may I point out that just because they get healed right after battle doesn't mean that the attacks don't ''hurt like hell.''
*** I think that a Trainer's job is supposed to be raising the Pokémon through battles so it can reach maturity. The quickest way to raise a Pokémon is battling and trained Pokémon are stated to be stronger than wild ones.
** I have a theory involving genetically engineered alien war machines that are still on-planet after the alien aggressors were wiped out.
** Alternatively, considering that Pokemon actually get happier when they win battles, you may look at this at the same way as fighting sports like Karate. But here's what personally bugs me, why do all the trainers battle you on sight? I mean, I do remember some trainer in one of the games talking about some rules, but that doesn't explain why [[EverythingTryingToKillYou Engineers, Fisherman, Rich Boys and PIs]] can just drop what they're doing to battle someone.
** Let's put it this way: The Pokemon eco-system does not make sense.

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* The world detailed in ''Pokemon'' is an interesting one. It's populated by humans and Pokemon, and this distinction in the mindset exists even when you consider the multiple species of Pokemon involved. Pokemon specialize in battling, almost always seem to enjoy doing so, and it is heavily implied that it is through such battles that they mature and improve themselves. Human society seems to have noticed, and has devoted a large amount of resources to this process. This includes safe and comfortable transportation, development of items to cater to their every need, a method of healing their injuries that is not only present everywhere but ''doesn't even cost money'', and a league devoted to helping people who are new to the process become better at it, as well as rewarding them for taking up the mantle if they do exceptionally well. In fact, it is often questioned if people can live their lives in a way that has nothing to do with Pokemon at all. Now, with all this said, you'd almost get the idea that ''the entire world of Pokemon'' was designed to make the concept of battling as legitimate, beneficial, harmless (in the long run) and enjoyable as possible. So '''why''' are there so many fanfics, parodies, arguments, and IJBM topics devoted to the belief that in truth, Pokemon training is ''no better than cockfighting''? I understand the interest in alternate viewpoints and partial deconstruction, but it rings hollow when the franchise went out of its way to eliminate ''everything'', aside from the occasional dramatic element, that makes the real life version unsavory, cruel and illegal.
** Woah. Okay, allow me to point some considerations:
### No matter what, how or who, people will completely lose the point about any fiction universe ever invented. Really, if some people don't get the obvious message in HarryPotter about racism and all, how you suppose everyone will get this one? Really, before you wrote this whole paragraph, I didn't quite see the things this way, though I wasn't radical about "Pokéfight = cockfight" in any sense, too...
### Pokémon are, at first, animals(and also plants, rocks, et cetera). Pokémon's universe is, unless where noted, just like ours. Thus, how would people(and I) realize that animal fighting is part of Pokéverse in a way very different than ours, if it was ''not'' noted? Mostly they give us the idea that people are, somehow, obsessed with Pokémon fighting, not touching the moral repercussions of that.
### And now, something I'd say to you, and also to the people who write those sorts of fanfiction: you're dwelling way to much into these matters. This is a game. MST3KMantra, okay?
### And, just for finals: the way you put it, it's like a Pokémon version of the Fight Club, minus the whole conspiration stuff. Illegal and cruel, maybe not; but still not very healthy...
*** To be fair on the point of dwelling too much on certain matters, while annoying, it's still just pointing out something that bugs them.
** Apparently, it wasn't, though. See ''[[PokemonRanger Pokémon Ranger]]''.
** Guillotine. Acid. Dream eater. Nightmare. Leech seed. Now imagine being on the receiving end of that in the real world. It's just like all those crazy images that reinterpret Super Mario in a serious light, with BadAss plumbers crushing turtles and mushroom things to death beneath their feet.
** I don't believe in the Pokemon Fighting=Cockfighting thing, but may I point out that just because they get healed right after battle doesn't mean that the attacks don't ''hurt like hell.''
*** I think that a Trainer's job is supposed to be raising the Pokémon through battles so it can reach maturity. The quickest way to raise a Pokémon is battling and trained Pokémon are stated to be stronger than wild ones.
** I have a theory involving genetically engineered alien war machines that are still on-planet after the alien aggressors were wiped out.
** Alternatively, considering that Pokemon actually get happier when they win battles, you may look at this at the same way as fighting sports like Karate. But here's what personally bugs me, why do all the trainers battle you on sight? I mean, I do remember some trainer in one of the games talking about some rules, but that doesn't explain why [[EverythingTryingToKillYou Engineers, Fisherman, Rich Boys and PIs]] can just drop what they're doing to battle someone.
** Let's put it this way: The Pokemon eco-system does not make sense.



* Not FridgeLogic, but fits nowhere else... I you ever entered the GTS, you may find it strange that, for once, [[http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=235 VGCats was right]](it was actually a guest comic, but nevermind): people are stupid in GTS. There ''are'' the cloners, that ask for impossible trades simply so they Pokémon don't get traded while they're trying to clone it. But still there are people who "legitimately" ask for a Lvl100 Manaphy in exchange for a Bidoof. What goes into these people's heads?!
** That there's a sucker born every minute?
** Maybe they're hoping that there's someone out there who really hates Manaphy and really loves Bidoof?
** There's a ridiculously simple answer for this. They're trading to themselves! They only have one DS, but two games. Asking for a extremely rare and powerful Pokemon in exchange for one caught on Route 2 virtually guarantees that no one will snatch it before you can log on as your other game and initiate the trade with yourself. ^^

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* Not FridgeLogic, but fits nowhere else... I you ever entered the GTS, you may find it strange that, for once, [[http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=235 VGCats was right]](it was actually a guest comic, but nevermind): people are stupid in GTS. There ''are'' the cloners, that ask for impossible trades simply so they Pokémon don't get traded while they're trying to clone it. But still there are people who "legitimately" ask for a Lvl100 Manaphy in exchange for a Bidoof. What goes into these people's heads?!
** That there's a sucker born every minute?
** Maybe they're hoping that there's someone out there who really hates Manaphy and really loves Bidoof?
** There's a ridiculously simple answer for this. They're trading to themselves! They only have one DS, but two games. Asking for a extremely rare and powerful Pokemon in exchange for one caught on Route 2 virtually guarantees that no one will snatch it before you can log on as your other game and initiate the trade with yourself. ^^



* How are the Pokemon articles some of the longest, most thoroughly TropeOverdosed articles on the wiki if [[SarcasmMode Pokemon is bad and]] [[FanHater you should feel bad?]] Just the fact it has its own CrowningMomentOfAwesome, FetishFuel, and FanFicRecommendations pages is a feat in itself, but having those and the JustBugsMe and WMG pages being extremely long is just extraordinary. That's not even getting into how typing in Spore on Youtube will get you "Spore Pokemon" as the third suggested search title.
** GuiltyPleasure, 'natch.
** Does "Pokemon" really belong in that category? The massive amount of hate geared towards it is more around the politics than what's actually on screen. As stated for Batman and Robin on the Horrible Film discussion, it's just known for having a hatedom associated with it. Just like Jar-Jar Binks, people who don't know about it are more than happy to tell how much they hate it. It was really popular once, but now it's hated. I mean, I honestly think that if the show was released in a relatively normal fashion, it wouldn't get near the hate it does now. I notice that critics of the movies seldom bother saying ''why'' they're so bad. I'm sick of People saying stuff like, "Wow, I watched this when it was popular, now I realize how stupid it is and always was". Well, sorry people, but it's your fault for making the series so popular. We have no one to blame but ourselves.
*** What blame?
** This troper feels a lot of the hate comes from people like himself: people who watched the first three episodes and fell so in love we didn't notice the Japanese Flanderizing everyone. Then we look back...and we feel really bad. And if you ever read the manga, it makes it worse. They had something that truly could have been beyond awesome...and they ruined it.
** Now I'm bugged by people not realizing I was talking about how it is ''still'' popular despite the {{Fan Hater}}s.
*** {{Fan Hater}}s usually hate the anime, but are comfortable with the games; we aren't only discussing the animu by itself, but the game mechanics, too. That's why.

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* How are the Pokemon articles some of the longest, most thoroughly TropeOverdosed articles on the wiki if [[SarcasmMode Pokemon is bad and]] [[FanHater you should feel bad?]] Just the fact it has its own CrowningMomentOfAwesome, FetishFuel, and FanFicRecommendations pages is a feat in itself, but having those and the JustBugsMe and WMG pages being extremely long is just extraordinary. That's not even getting into how typing in Spore on Youtube will get you "Spore Pokemon" as the third suggested search title.
** GuiltyPleasure, 'natch.
** Does "Pokemon" really belong in that category? The massive amount of hate geared towards it is more around the politics than what's actually on screen. As stated for Batman and Robin on the Horrible Film discussion, it's just known for having a hatedom associated with it. Just like Jar-Jar Binks, people who don't know about it are more than happy to tell how much they hate it. It was really popular once, but now it's hated. I mean, I honestly think that if the show was released in a relatively normal fashion, it wouldn't get near the hate it does now. I notice that critics of the movies seldom bother saying ''why'' they're so bad. I'm sick of People saying stuff like, "Wow, I watched this when it was popular, now I realize how stupid it is and always was". Well, sorry people, but it's your fault for making the series so popular. We have no one to blame but ourselves.
*** What blame?
** This troper feels a lot of the hate comes from people like himself: people who watched the first three episodes and fell so in love we didn't notice the Japanese Flanderizing everyone. Then we look back...and we feel really bad. And if you ever read the manga, it makes it worse. They had something that truly could have been beyond awesome...and they ruined it.
** Now I'm bugged by people not realizing I was talking about how it is ''still'' popular despite the {{Fan Hater}}s.
*** {{Fan Hater}}s usually hate the anime, but are comfortable with the games; we aren't only discussing the animu by itself, but the game mechanics, too. That's why.

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* Sort of [[FanHater fan complaining]], but why some people argue that the old combat system, with no individual distinction between physical and special moves despite the type, was better? There are lots and lots of examples of why it didn't make even sense, but a single one exceeds them all: Hyper Beam. How can anything with ''Beam'' in its name be physical? @/{{Pro-Mole}} sincerely affirms that he never noticed this until his cousin pointed out the difference between Diamond/Pearl/Platinum and the rest of the games, because it just didn't make ''sense''! (That, and he didn't use to train Pokémon competitively...)
** We have a trope for this - It's called ILikedItBetterWhenItSucked. They don't like it now because back then, you could just ignore the stats of a pokemon.
** People don't like thinking more? I know someone complained about R/S/E because natures and abilities made things more complicated.
*** Abilities and Natures ''did'' get things more complicated, they were ''additions'' to the game mechanics. The explicit distinction between special and physical is a ''correction'', taking the toll of defining if an attak uses Special Attack or plain Attack not to the type, but to the move. Hyper Beam should ''never'' be physical!
*** They couldn't do the Special/Physical separation by move on the old Gameboy games, only by types, and when deciding the stat used for Normal moves they preferred to go with Physical. The odd thing is that while Ghost moves were mostly special(Night Shade), they became Physical, and when Dark types came, they were mostly physical (Bite, Faint Attack), they became Special.
**** According to an interview on some site, which I think was IGN, with the main game designer, I think, the Physical/Special distinction was only thought of while making D/P.
*** Actually, they did the Physical/Special split before Gen IV, when it went mainstream. It appeared in XD with the various Shadow moves.
** Ask some of the most rational {{MMORPG}} players- it's a big, messy gameplay change that shook up the whole system and made players have to adapt, but it's a better thing in the end. Nintendo seems to be recognisethis and added special variations of physical moves and vice versa.
*** This troper applauded the split, because it meant that finally, his beloved Kingler could get a STAB attack that worked off that massive base attack.
*** The only real change that bothers me is Sludge Bomb being special. Poison Jab just isn't the same...

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* Sort of [[FanHater fan complaining]], but why some people argue that the old combat system, with no individual distinction between physical and special moves despite the type, was better? There are lots and lots of examples of why it didn't make even sense, but a single one exceeds them all: Hyper Beam. How can anything with ''Beam'' in its name be physical? @/{{Pro-Mole}} sincerely affirms that he never noticed this until his cousin pointed out the difference between Diamond/Pearl/Platinum and the rest of the games, because it just didn't make ''sense''! (That, and he didn't use to train Pokémon competitively...)
** We have a trope for this - It's called ILikedItBetterWhenItSucked. They don't like it now because back then, you could just ignore the stats of a pokemon.
** People don't like thinking more? I know someone complained about R/S/E because natures and abilities made things more complicated.
*** Abilities and Natures ''did'' get things more complicated, they were ''additions'' to the game mechanics. The explicit distinction between special and physical is a ''correction'', taking the toll of defining if an attak uses Special Attack or plain Attack not to the type, but to the move. Hyper Beam should ''never'' be physical!
*** They couldn't do the Special/Physical separation by move on the old Gameboy games, only by types, and when deciding the stat used for Normal moves they preferred to go with Physical. The odd thing is that while Ghost moves were mostly special(Night Shade), they became Physical, and when Dark types came, they were mostly physical (Bite, Faint Attack), they became Special.
**** According to an interview on some site, which I think was IGN, with the main game designer, I think, the Physical/Special distinction was only thought of while making D/P.
*** Actually, they did the Physical/Special split before Gen IV, when it went mainstream. It appeared in XD with the various Shadow moves.
** Ask some of the most rational {{MMORPG}} players- it's a big, messy gameplay change that shook up the whole system and made players have to adapt, but it's a better thing in the end. Nintendo seems to be recognisethis and added special variations of physical moves and vice versa.
*** This troper applauded the split, because it meant that finally, his beloved Kingler could get a STAB attack that worked off that massive base attack.
*** The only real change that bothers me is Sludge Bomb being special. Poison Jab just isn't the same...




* Why, oh why must it be that every time someone uses a weather attack in battle, the battle has to be paused literally after ''every'' single turn to remind me that it is ''still'' raining, or sunny, or whatever? Aside from the fact that they could just have rain animation playing constantly in the background throught, I am not four years old. I do not need to be reminded of the weather's current status every single goddamned turn!
** [[{{Castlevania}} What a horrible night to have a curse.]] But seriously, in a game like this in which one bad move could spell disaster for the match, it's probably safer to be reminded whether the weather has returned to normal or not. That still doesn't excuse it showing up even after the activation of the permanent weather abilities, but oh well.
** In the portable games, you can turn the attack animations off. It will still tell you that the weather effect is still going on, but you won't have to sit through the animation.
** Apparently this has been adressed for the upcoming Pokemon Black and White versions, which have a weather indicator in the battle menu.
* Were the makers of Pearl sexist or what? This troper is a girl and plays as a girl. The friend is a guy, right? This troper thought that if she played as a boy, the friend would be a girl. Role reversal, you know? He wasn't. I was not amused.
** Weird, this troper hadn't noticed this trait. In Diamond, he played as a boy, the friend was a girl and the rival was a boy. But... how is it sexist, for starters? If they gave you the option of chosing your sex -- differently from Red/Blue/Yellow/Gold/Silver, where you always playa s a boy --, I think they weren't that sexist, after all.
** What I mean is that the role reversal should be logical: If you're playing as a girl, the friend and Professor's assistant are boys. If you're playing as a boy, the friend and Professor's assistant should be girls.
*** Well, it's logical, but calling it sexist is a misconception. Besides, I think it's the reason below: there are three characters, but the rival is unselectable, so unchanged. Also, as in the manga, they correspond to the three editions of the 4th Gen(Diamond, Pearl and Platinum), putting a fourth female rival would break the ongoing character ensemble logic.
** There are only 3 main characters. You get to choose between 2 of them, deal with it. It would cause problems with the manga otherwise.
*** It's actually kind of sexist to say that Dawn's best friend/rival (he is described by Rowan as being your friend during setup) should be female. There's no reason a boy and a girl can't have that kind of relationship.
** [[EverythingIsRacist everything is sexist]].

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* Why, oh why must it be that every time someone uses a weather attack in battle, the battle has to be paused literally after ''every'' single turn to remind me that it is ''still'' raining, or sunny, or whatever? Aside from the fact that they could just have rain animation playing constantly in the background throught, I am not four years old. I do not need to be reminded of the weather's current status every single goddamned turn!
** [[{{Castlevania}} What a horrible night to have a curse.]] But seriously, in a game like this in which one bad move could spell disaster for the match, it's probably safer to be reminded whether the weather has returned to normal or not. That still doesn't excuse it showing up even after the activation of the permanent weather abilities, but oh well.
** In the portable games, you can turn the attack animations off. It will still tell you that the weather effect is still going on, but you won't have to sit through the animation.
** Apparently this has been adressed for the upcoming Pokemon Black and White versions, which have a weather indicator in the battle menu.
* Were the makers of Pearl sexist or what? This troper is a girl and plays as a girl. The friend is a guy, right? This troper thought that if she played as a boy, the friend would be a girl. Role reversal, you know? He wasn't. I was not amused.
** Weird, this troper hadn't noticed this trait. In Diamond, he played as a boy, the friend was a girl and the rival was a boy. But... how is it sexist, for starters? If they gave you the option of chosing your sex -- differently from Red/Blue/Yellow/Gold/Silver, where you always playa s a boy --, I think they weren't that sexist, after all.
** What I mean is that the role reversal should be logical: If you're playing as a girl, the friend and Professor's assistant are boys. If you're playing as a boy, the friend and Professor's assistant should be girls.
*** Well, it's logical, but calling it sexist is a misconception. Besides, I think it's the reason below: there are three characters, but the rival is unselectable, so unchanged. Also, as in the manga, they correspond to the three editions of the 4th Gen(Diamond, Pearl and Platinum), putting a fourth female rival would break the ongoing character ensemble logic.
** There are only 3 main characters. You get to choose between 2 of them, deal with it. It would cause problems with the manga otherwise.
*** It's actually kind of sexist to say that Dawn's best friend/rival (he is described by Rowan as being your friend during setup) should be female. There's no reason a boy and a girl can't have that kind of relationship.
** [[EverythingIsRacist everything is sexist]].



* Arg, the GTS. This was probably to be expected, but man, every trade offer on there is ridiculous. For the love of God, people are putting their ComMons up there and asking for a LEVEL 100 DEOXYS in return. I mean, it makes sense you'd ask for something you wouldn't even be able to get normally without hacking, but it's still illogical. And that's even disregarding the fact that you can't even request a Pokemon before seeing it first, which means the idiot either has it already or saw it by battling a friend, whom he could easily trade with. And then there's the people who offer a Pokemon...for a Level 100 of the same Pokemon. Why can't people understand the fundamentals of an equal exchange?
** Really, really ridiculous trades are most likely friends trading off or self-trading (everyone else will have your reaction and stay away). Or it could be some guy who thinks his level 3 Rattata is top percentage, who knows.
* There's loads of {{Moe}} fanart[[hottip:* :Thankfully, little yaoi]] dedicated to Cyrus. CompletelyMissingThePoint doesn't begin to cover this. He's a celibate OmnicidalManiac and a PerpetualFrowner to boot, ya fuckin' idiots! Your portrayals are CharacterDerailment.
** The fact that he has one of the most sympathetic backstories in the entire series, possibly only beaten by N, lends a lot to it, as does the fact that when you get down to it, he had a very valid motivation that was just bogged down by his madness and extremism. You're telling me it's missing the point to want to show affection towards someone who was driven insane because he had loveless parents? It's only character derailment if it's not decently explained, but really he ''could'' be helped (just because it's terribly unlikely doesn't make it completely impossible) and remain perfectly in character. Also, your point on celibacy is pretty much meaningless when you consider everything ELSE he represses. The odds of him actually being asexual are slim to none considering everything else we know he tries to cover up, and if his emotions seep through from time to time, his repressed sex drive is bound to as well. In conclusion, one of the define features of Moe is the desire to protect that person, and when you discover, after a game of being told that your character's strength is their compassion, that his destructive behavior is, at its core, self-destructive based on a terrible life, then the want to protect him from his own actions is only natural.
*** I get all that but...MOE fanart? That kinda takes away his dignity. The guy may be mentally troubled but he's still the freaking BigBad.
*** Well, that's just RuleOfFunny. Besides, all the Bosses have gotten that treatment, and it seems the more evil they are, the more hilarious fanart they get (go to somewhere like Pixiv and look up Ghetsis and I guarantee he has the silliest fanart you will ever see, and that guy's an undisputed CompleteMonster). But well, I'm a huge Cyrus fan and I have a stickler for keeping him 100% in character in fanfics and RPing, but to see a completely OOC portrayal isn't bothersome to me unless they're trying to pass that off as the real deal. Think of Real Giovanni vs how he is in Meowth's daydreams. It just makes the daydreams all the more hilarious and adorable (and Giovanni has, to our knowledge, no FreudianExcuse unless there was more to his admiration of his mother than was let on...*shudder*).

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* Arg, the GTS. This was probably to be expected, but man, every trade offer on there is ridiculous. For the love of God, people are putting their ComMons up there and asking for a LEVEL 100 DEOXYS in return. I mean, it makes sense you'd ask for something you wouldn't even be able to get normally without hacking, but it's still illogical. And that's even disregarding the fact that you can't even request a Pokemon before seeing it first, which means the idiot either has it already or saw it by battling a friend, whom he could easily trade with. And then there's the people who offer a Pokemon...for a Level 100 of the same Pokemon. Why can't people understand the fundamentals of an equal exchange?
** Really, really ridiculous trades are most likely friends trading off or self-trading (everyone else will have your reaction and stay away). Or it could be some guy who thinks his level 3 Rattata is top percentage, who knows.
* There's loads of {{Moe}} fanart[[hottip:* :Thankfully, little yaoi]] dedicated to Cyrus. CompletelyMissingThePoint doesn't begin to cover this. He's a celibate OmnicidalManiac and a PerpetualFrowner to boot, ya fuckin' idiots! Your portrayals are CharacterDerailment.
** The fact that he has one of the most sympathetic backstories in the entire series, possibly only beaten by N, lends a lot to it, as does the fact that when you get down to it, he had a very valid motivation that was just bogged down by his madness and extremism. You're telling me it's missing the point to want to show affection towards someone who was driven insane because he had loveless parents? It's only character derailment if it's not decently explained, but really he ''could'' be helped (just because it's terribly unlikely doesn't make it completely impossible) and remain perfectly in character. Also, your point on celibacy is pretty much meaningless when you consider everything ELSE he represses. The odds of him actually being asexual are slim to none considering everything else we know he tries to cover up, and if his emotions seep through from time to time, his repressed sex drive is bound to as well. In conclusion, one of the define features of Moe is the desire to protect that person, and when you discover, after a game of being told that your character's strength is their compassion, that his destructive behavior is, at its core, self-destructive based on a terrible life, then the want to protect him from his own actions is only natural.
*** I get all that but...MOE fanart? That kinda takes away his dignity. The guy may be mentally troubled but he's still the freaking BigBad.
*** Well, that's just RuleOfFunny. Besides, all the Bosses have gotten that treatment, and it seems the more evil they are, the more hilarious fanart they get (go to somewhere like Pixiv and look up Ghetsis and I guarantee he has the silliest fanart you will ever see, and that guy's an undisputed CompleteMonster). But well, I'm a huge Cyrus fan and I have a stickler for keeping him 100% in character in fanfics and RPing, but to see a completely OOC portrayal isn't bothersome to me unless they're trying to pass that off as the real deal. Think of Real Giovanni vs how he is in Meowth's daydreams. It just makes the daydreams all the more hilarious and adorable (and Giovanni has, to our knowledge, no FreudianExcuse unless there was more to his admiration of his mother than was let on...*shudder*).
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*** ''[[Troper/DonaldthePotholer Not]]'' the OP: First up: you're saying that an event that could trigger [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt a civilization- (if not universe-)ending crisis]] is Gamefreak's '''[[ValuesDissonance idea of a distraction]]'''? [[PokemonRedAndBlue Team Rocket's antics, back in the day]], ''could'' qualify as a "distraction", but their problem is that they're ''[[ButThouMust literally]]'' in your way of your goal. Apart from their guards blocking up the paths to at least two gyms, [[hottip:*:[[PokemonGoldAndSilver in each "generation"]], as well as taking advantage of [[ChaosArchitecture the Cerulean Planning Commission]],]] the PlayerCharacter, by all rights, should be allowed to just shrug and say "[[SomebodyElsesProblem Not my problem]], I just want ToBeAMaster." At which point, it should be the writers' responsibility to ''[[VideogameCrueltyPotential make]]'' the player [[VideogameCaringPotential care]] [[NoPointsForNeutrality about the problem]]. [[ButThouMust But the player is]] ''[[{{Railroading}} never given the choice]]''. Of course, when [[VideoGame/PokemonRubyAndSapphire two titans clash over populated areas]] [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt threatening the destruction of those areas]], only the worst {{Jerkass}} or [[DirtyCoward Coward]] wouldn't try to find ''some'' way of intervening. But, at that point, it becomes ''[[ApatheticCitizens everybody's]]'' [[ApatheticCitizens problem]]. Yet, it's AllUpToYou and you alone.[[hottip:*:This ''is'' a common problem in RPGs. I'm thinking that the OP's objection is that solving this problem is not "[[AWinnerIsYou The End]]", a nailbiting (yet Anti-Climatic in the face of taking down a terrorist group) fight against 5 expert fighters is.]]

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** What bugs this Troper is that they could've given her a special legendary ability (like Teravolt or Turboblaze) that works like Miracle Eye--only instead of just removing immunity to Dark-types, it makes Dark-types weak to her Psychic attacks. That way, they'd be on an equal footing. But no, her ability is Levitate. ''That's'' useful. I know they probably want to avoid having the hackers stick it on their Alakazam or whatever, but...

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** What bugs this Troper is that they could've given her a special legendary ability (like Teravolt or Turboblaze) that works like Miracle Eye--only instead of just removing immunity to Dark-types, it makes Dark-types weak to her Psychic attacks. That way, they'd be on an equal footing. But no, her ability is Levitate. ''That's'' useful. I know they probably want to avoid having the hackers stick it on their Alakazam or whatever, but... but...
*** It would even make sense symbolically. Even beyond any dream-related roles, she is the representation of a light that illuminates the darkness.
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*** ''[[Troper/DonaldthePotholer Not]]'' the OP: First up: you're saying that an event that could trigger [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt a civilization- (if not universe-)ending crisis]] is Gamefreak's '''[[ValuesDissonance idea of a distraction]]'''? [[PokemonRedAndBlue Team Rocket's antics, back in the day]], ''could'' qualify as a "distraction", but their problem is that they're ''[[ButThouMust literally]]'' in your way of your goal. Apart from their guards blocking up the paths to at least two gyms, [[hottip:*:[[PokemonGoldAndSilver in each "generation"]], as well as taking advantage of [[ChaosArchitecture the Cerulean Planning Commission]],]] the PlayerCharacter, by all rights, should be allowed to just shrug and say "[[SomebodyElsesProblem Not my problem]], I just want ToBeAMaster." At which point, it should be the writers' responsibility to ''[[VideogameCrueltyPotential make]]'' the player [[VideogameCaringPotential care]] [[NoPointsForNeutrality about the problem]]. [[ButThouMust But the player is]] ''[[{{Railroading}} never given the choice]]''. Of course, when [[PokemonRubyAndSapphire [[VideoGame/PokemonRubyAndSapphire two titans clash over populated areas]] [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt threatening the destruction of those areas]], only the worst {{Jerkass}} or [[DirtyCoward Coward]] wouldn't try to find ''some'' way of intervening. But, at that point, it becomes ''[[ApatheticCitizens everybody's]]'' [[ApatheticCitizens problem]]. Yet, it's AllUpToYou and you alone.[[hottip:*:This ''is'' a common problem in RPGs. I'm thinking that the OP's objection is that solving this problem is not "[[AWinnerIsYou The End]]", a nailbiting (yet Anti-Climatic in the face of taking down a terrorist group) fight against 5 expert fighters is.]]
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*** Well, that's just RuleOfFunny. Besides, all the Bosses have gotten that treatment, and it seems the more evil they are, the more hilarious fanart they get (go to somewhere like Pixiv and look up Ghetsis and I guarantee he has the silliest fanart you will ever see, and that guy's an undisputed CompleteMonster). But well, I'm a huge Cyrus fan and I have a stickler for keeping him 100% in character in fanfics and RPing, but to see a completely OOC portrayal isn't bothersome to me unless they're trying to pass that off as the real deal. Think of Real Giovanni vs how he is in Meowth's daydreams. It just makes the daydreams all the more hilarious and adorable (and Giovanni has, to our knowledge, no FreudianExcuse unless there was more to his admiration of his mother than was let on...*shudder*).

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*** Well, that's just RuleOfFunny. Besides, all the Bosses have gotten that treatment, and it seems the more evil they are, the more hilarious fanart they get (go to somewhere like Pixiv and look up Ghetsis and I guarantee he has the silliest fanart you will ever see, and that guy's an undisputed CompleteMonster). But well, I'm a huge Cyrus fan and I have a stickler for keeping him 100% in character in fanfics and RPing, but to see a completely OOC portrayal isn't bothersome to me unless they're trying to pass that off as the real deal. Think of Real Giovanni vs how he is in Meowth's daydreams. It just makes the daydreams all the more hilarious and adorable (and Giovanni has, to our knowledge, no FreudianExcuse unless there was more to his admiration of his mother than was let on...*shudder*).*shudder*).
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Older general {{Pokemon}} {{Headscratchers}} entries are archived here. [=JBM's=] specific to the [[Headscratchers/PokemonAnime]], ''[[Headscratchers/{{Ptitlegvum9xyo}} Arceus and the Jewel of Life]]'', ''[[Headscratchers/{{Ptitlenoddanat}} Pokémon Ranger]]'', ''[[Headscratchers/{{Ptitlecm0ohq79}} Pokémon Mystery Dungeon]]'', ''[[Headscratchers/{{Ptitle2gli7wce}} Pokémon Black and White]]'', and ''[[Headscratchers/{{Ptitle6ta6tjtj}} Pokémon Diamond and Pearl]]'' should be placed on their respective pages.

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Older general {{Pokemon}} {{Headscratchers}} entries are archived here. [=JBM's=] specific to the [[Headscratchers/PokemonAnime]], ''[[Headscratchers/{{Ptitlegvum9xyo}} Arceus and the Jewel of Life]]'', ''[[Headscratchers/{{Ptitlenoddanat}} Pokémon Ranger]]'', ''[[Headscratchers/{{Ptitlecm0ohq79}} Pokémon Mystery Dungeon]]'', ''[[Headscratchers/{{Ptitle2gli7wce}} Pokémon Black and White]]'', ''Headscratchers/PokemonBlackAndWhite'', and ''[[Headscratchers/{{Ptitle6ta6tjtj}} Pokémon Diamond and Pearl]]'' should be placed on their respective pages.
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Older general {{Pokemon}} {{Headscratchers}} entries are archived here. [=JBM's=] specific to the [[Headscratchers/{{Ptitleuwj4vs3q}} anime]], ''[[Headscratchers/{{Ptitlegvum9xyo}} Arceus and the Jewel of Life]]'', ''[[Headscratchers/{{Ptitlenoddanat}} Pokémon Ranger]]'', ''[[Headscratchers/{{Ptitlecm0ohq79}} Pokémon Mystery Dungeon]]'', ''[[Headscratchers/{{Ptitle2gli7wce}} Pokémon Black and White]]'', and ''[[Headscratchers/{{Ptitle6ta6tjtj}} Pokémon Diamond and Pearl]]'' should be placed on their respective pages.

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Older general {{Pokemon}} {{Headscratchers}} entries are archived here. [=JBM's=] specific to the [[Headscratchers/{{Ptitleuwj4vs3q}} anime]], [[Headscratchers/PokemonAnime]], ''[[Headscratchers/{{Ptitlegvum9xyo}} Arceus and the Jewel of Life]]'', ''[[Headscratchers/{{Ptitlenoddanat}} Pokémon Ranger]]'', ''[[Headscratchers/{{Ptitlecm0ohq79}} Pokémon Mystery Dungeon]]'', ''[[Headscratchers/{{Ptitle2gli7wce}} Pokémon Black and White]]'', and ''[[Headscratchers/{{Ptitle6ta6tjtj}} Pokémon Diamond and Pearl]]'' should be placed on their respective pages.

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