History Headscratchers / PaperMario

9th Jun '17 9:52:33 PM Luigiofthegods
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** Vivian can be quite forgiving and naive, as illustrated throughout the story, and the ending was seemingly in fashion of the "good guys finish the conflict and forgive all loose ends" pattern usually seen in kids' media. On a darker note, Beldam's behavior towards Vivian is actually quite reminiscent of that in abusive relationships: for the abuser to shed crocodile tears and promise to make amends to lure the abusee back into their control (the results are often less than pretty, even when the abuser is sincerely trying). Or perhaps Beldam and everyone else against her know that she won't and/or can't pull anything else in the future, given that the Shadow Queen has already been defeated, the unsealing of presumably being the biggest threat Beldam could ever pose, so she herself feels no need to be a {{Jerkass}} anymore now that she has no more plans for herself, and everyone else is content to forgive and forget, as {{Karma Houdini}}-ish as it sounds.
8th Jun '17 8:37:45 PM PrincessGwen
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*** First fight she gets blocked out of the arena, second fight she's [[spoiler: sleeping in the Overthere]]. Unless you mean [[spoiler: Shadoo]], you are mistaken.

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*** First fight she gets blocked out of the arena, second fight she's [[spoiler: sleeping in the Overthere]]. Unless you mean [[spoiler: Shadoo]], [[spoiler:Shadoo]], you are mistaken.



** Especially since said palace is sitting on top of Bowser's dreaded castle and it's being prowled by Koopatrols, which Toads have no defense against.
** Dimensions-bending artifacts like these are usually pretty sealed up. Maybe it was airtight.

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** Especially since said palace castle is sitting on top of Bowser's dreaded castle and it's being prowled by Koopatrols, which Toads have no defense against.
** Dimensions-bending Dimension-bending artifacts like these are usually pretty sealed up. Maybe it was airtight.



** Also, [[spoiler: Dimentio]] apparently ''wrote'' the damn book in the first place. Obviously, he'd edit himself out.

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** Also, [[spoiler: Dimentio]] [[spoiler:Dimentio]] apparently ''wrote'' the damn book in the first place. Obviously, he'd edit himself out.



** Because it's supposed to be a plot twist that [[spoiler:Peach was taken to The Moon,]] just like how it's supposed to be a plot twist that [[spoiler: the legendary treasure is the Shadow Queen.]]

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** Because it's supposed to be a plot twist that [[spoiler:Peach was taken to The Moon,]] just like how it's supposed to be a plot twist that [[spoiler: the [[spoiler:the legendary treasure is the Shadow Queen.]]



*** Flint Cragley, being a trusted television crag-lebrity, got the Cragnongs to stop throwing garbage in the water by spreading the world about enviromental friendliness through his show.

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*** Flint Cragley, being a trusted television crag-lebrity, got the Cragnongs Cragnons to stop throwing garbage in the water by spreading the world about enviromental friendliness through his show.



** But the game said that the Chaos Heart would die with the person who wielded it - that's why Mario and co. spend all that time going after the Pure Hearts, would contradicts the idea that the heart behaves similarly to a spell cast by the one who controls it.

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** But the game said that the Chaos Heart would die with the person who wielded it - that's why Mario and co. spend all that time going after the Pure Hearts, would contradicts contradict the idea that the heart behaves similarly to a spell cast by the one who controls it.



** Considering that [[spoiler: Blumiere and Timpani's geniune vows brought forth the Pure Hearts]], it's possible the fact that it was invalid was the reason that it worked to summon the Chaos Heart in the first place.

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** Considering that [[spoiler: Blumiere [[spoiler:Blumiere and Timpani's geniune vows brought forth the Pure Hearts]], it's possible the fact that it was invalid was the reason that it worked to summon the Chaos Heart in the first place.



** From Beldum's perspective, she doesn't really have to actually stop Mario at any point, as long as somebody opens the door. She just has to act like she's trying.

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** From Beldum's Beldam's perspective, she doesn't really have to actually stop Mario at any point, as long as somebody opens the door. She just has to act like she's trying.
2nd May '17 9:01:11 PM Emreld3000
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** From Beldum's perspective, she doesn't really have to actually stop Mario at any point, as long as somebody opens the door. She just has to act like she's trying.


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** I blame the mafia, but honestly most port towns with a lot of cultural mixing end up being populated with poor immigrants trying to eke their way through their overpopulated slums.
2nd May '17 8:51:15 PM Emreld3000
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*** Flint Cragley, being a trusted television crag-lebrity, got the Cragnongs to stop throwing garbage in the water by spreading the world about enviromental friendliness through his show.
2nd May '17 8:45:08 PM Emreld3000
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** Dimensions-bending artifacts like these are usually pretty sealed up. Maybe it was airtight.
2nd May '17 8:43:43 PM Emreld3000
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** The mafia controls everything that goes in and everything that goes out of the town. They decide who gets to be rich and famous.
22nd Apr '17 7:03:58 PM nombretomado
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* So... Is Peach still married to Bowser? I don't recall them getting a divorce or annulment from the end of VideoGame/SuperPaperMario.

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* So... Is Peach still married to Bowser? I don't recall them getting a divorce or annulment from the end of VideoGame/SuperPaperMario.''VideoGame/SuperPaperMario''.



* SuperPaperMario example: At the end of the game, the HandWave for how Mimi and O'Chunks knew where to find Count Bleck is that Nastasia told them beforehand that she expected they'd end up there... so wait. This would mean that Nastasia ''knew'' (at least enough to accurately predict) that [[spoiler: Dimentio was going to betray them and bring about the end of all worlds himself]]. ...So why didn't she DO anything about this herself? Her ONLY known power is the ability to hypnotize people into following her orders absolutely, and even if for some reason she couldn't do this, she could surely ''tell someone what was about to happen''. The bigger problem here, however, is how she knew this to begin with. As far as I can tell, this is never answered or explained.

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* SuperPaperMario ''VideoGame/SuperPaperMario'' example: At the end of the game, the HandWave for how Mimi and O'Chunks knew where to find Count Bleck is that Nastasia told them beforehand that she expected they'd end up there... so wait. This would mean that Nastasia ''knew'' (at least enough to accurately predict) that [[spoiler: Dimentio was going to betray them and bring about the end of all worlds himself]]. ...So why didn't she DO anything about this herself? Her ONLY known power is the ability to hypnotize people into following her orders absolutely, and even if for some reason she couldn't do this, she could surely ''tell someone what was about to happen''. The bigger problem here, however, is how she knew this to begin with. As far as I can tell, this is never answered or explained.
14th Mar '17 3:24:08 PM Nyperold
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*** Perhaps the Crystal Stars and Map analyzed the situation and ordered the locations by partner and equipment needs, so they won't send Mario to a place where he'll need the Ultra Boots before he goes to the place that has them, or to a place that requires Koops' shell ability before he joins the party, and so on.



** Bandits? Toads? Koops? Craws? Piantas? ...Anthropomorphic snails? The rest of the populace might be waddling heads (Bob-Ombs, Squeeks) or things that float (Boos, Lakitus), but there's no real shortage of kinds of characters it might ''theoretically'' have been used on, though what sorts of crimes were deemed to warrant it...

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** Bandits? Toads? Koops? Koopas? Craws? Piantas? ...Anthropomorphic snails? The rest of the populace might be waddling heads (Bob-Ombs, Squeeks) or things that float (Boos, Lakitus), but there's no real shortage of kinds of characters it might ''theoretically'' have been used on, though what sorts of crimes were deemed to warrant it...



** I think you've hit upon it without realizing it. They've still got to make money and get paid, but they can't running into the jungle and fight the enemies therein, so they leave it to more capable fighters such as Mario, who later come back and (at least theoretically) avail themselves of the Toads' services.

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** I think you've hit upon it without realizing it. They've still got to make money and get paid, but they can't go running into the jungle and fight the enemies therein, so they leave it to more capable fighters such as Mario, who later come back and (at least theoretically) avail themselves of the Toads' services.
11th Mar '17 12:44:17 AM QuarrelsomeChevon
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[[folder: Redemption]]
* How was Beldam able to get off the hook without punishment in at the end of TTYD? ''Super Paper Mario'' showed that its villains had some personality and redeemable qualities throughout the game, but Beldam is a pretty classic case of a WickedWitch. She tricked two groups of people into opening the Thousand-Year Door and resurrecting the Shadow Queen and never displayed any regret at having done so. How is she suddenly all nice and good come the ending? Why does the game imply as though she's already been forgiven?
1st Mar '17 6:11:35 PM phineas81707
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*** First fight she gets blocked out of the arena, second fight she's [[spoiler: sleeping in the Overthere]]. Unless you mean [[spoiler: Shadoo]], you are mistaken.
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