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In ''Twelve'', Terry Benedict scares them into returning the money they stole from him in ''Eleven'' plus interest just by revealing he knows where they are. How can they give away his share of the Bank heist and not fear the same retaliation they feared back then?
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In ''Twelve'', Terry Benedict scares them into returning the money they stole from him in ''Eleven'' plus interest just by revealing he knows where they are. How can they give away his share of the Bank heist and not fear the same retaliation they feared back then?
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*** Proving the winnings are illegitimate isn't too tough when the tempered dice, balls, and machines have all been left at the Casino.
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* Linus did switch the suitcases, and the one he replaced Benedict's suitcase wth might even have contained some false code, but shouldn't Terry notice that the codes were wrong? Or did Livingston change the codes to the ones contained in the Benedicts's suitcase once he got in?
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* Stealing the pinch (the FridgeHorror of the use whereof have already been discussed on the Fridge tab), contacting Bruiser, risking Yen's life... while in the end they all got there posing as a SWAT team anyway. Remind me what exactly those three did there what couldn't be done by the SWAT team? The explosion part could actually fit even better that way - executed by the SWAT team instead of "the trio", it would raise no suspicion even if detected by the Benedict's security staff. And the entire footage of them breaking into the vault was fake anyway. So what's the purpose?.. So that they have enough time to pack the money into the bags? Hell, they're the SWAT team - will Benedict's security really try to interfere before getting the clearance from them?
And why wasn't Linus on the SWAT team in the first place? Unlike Danny (detained by Benedict's men) and Yen (who had his own "route"), there seems to be no real reason why he didn't just go in there with the others.
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* Linus did switch the suitcases, and the one he replaced Benedict's suitcase wth might even have contained some false code, but shouldn't Terry notice that the codes were wrong? Or did Livingston change the codes to the ones contained in the Benedicts's suitcase once he got in?
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* Stealing the pinch (the FridgeHorror of the use whereof have already been discussed on the Fridge tab), contacting Bruiser, risking Yen's life... while in the end they all got there posing as a SWAT team anyway. Remind me what exactly those three did there what couldn't be done by the SWAT team? The explosion part could actually fit even better that way - executed by the SWAT team instead of "the trio", it would raise no suspicion even if detected by the Benedict's security staff. And the entire footage of them breaking into the vault was fake anyway. So what's the purpose?.. So that they have enough time to pack the money into the bags? Hell, they're the SWAT team - will Benedict's security really try to interfere before getting the clearance from them?
And why wasn't Linus on the SWAT team in the first place? Unlike Danny (detained by Benedict's men) and Yen (who had his own "route"), there seems to be no real reason why he didn't just go in there with the others.
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* Why does Benedict hire an outsider to beat up Danny. Besides the fact that he runs the risk of Danny overpowering the guy (Since he's not restrained or anything), he's already got two sizeable goons who do his goon work for him and whom he clearly trusts enough to send them to find Danny. Not counting that bribing two guys is harder than one.
** Deniability. If Danny (or someone else who gets this treatment) tries to sue Benedict over it, it's easy to shift the blame onto the random bruiser who is not legally on his payroll. If he had his actual thugs do it, it would be too easy to nail him to the wall.
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* Why does Benedict hire an outsider to beat up Danny. Besides the fact that he runs the risk of Danny overpowering the guy (Since he's not restrained or anything), he's already got two sizeable goons who do his goon work for him and whom he clearly trusts enough to send them to find Danny. Not counting that bribing two guys is harder than one.
** Deniability. If Danny (or someone else who gets this treatment) tries to sue Benedict over it, it's easy to shift the blame onto the random bruiser who is not legally on his payroll. If he had his actual thugs do it, it would be too easy to nail him to the wall.
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* Why does Benedict hire an outsider to beat up Danny. Besides the fact that he runs the risk of Danny overpowering the guy (Since he's not restrained or anything), he's already got two sizeable goons who do his goon work for him and whom he clearly trusts enough to send them to find Danny. Not counting that bribing two guys is harder than one.
** Deniability. If Danny (or someone else who gets this treatment) tries to sue Benedict over it, it's easy to shift the blame onto the random bruiser who is not legally on his payroll. If he had his actual thugs do it, it would be too easy to nail him to the wall.
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* Why does Benedict hire an outsider to beat up Danny. Besides the fact that he runs the risk of Danny overpowering the guy (Since he's not restrained or anything), he's already got two sizeable goons who do his goon work for him and whom he clearly trusts enough to send them to find Danny. Not counting that bribing two guys is harder than one.
** Deniability. If Danny (or someone else who gets this treatment) tries to sue Benedict over it, it's easy to shift the blame onto the random bruiser who is not legally on his payroll. If he had his actual thugs do it, it would be too easy to nail him to the wall.
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** Well, it would be a "he said - she said" kind of situation so conviction would probably be pretty unlikely. But I'm not so sure that even successful litigation would have made that big a difference anyway: it seems that the reason why Reuben was hit so hard is more about his shock over Bank's nastiness and betrayal than about the financial losses per se, so it called for a more radical remedy...
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** Short and simple answer: it didn't. Pay attention to the conversation between Linus and his mother a bit later on...
** Short and simple answer: it didn't. Pay attention to the conversation between Linus and his mother a bit later on...
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* How did what he he say translate to calling Matsui's niece a whore?
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** The three casinos had a shared vault at the time. Benedict stored enough cash to cover ''all three'' casinos' chips there, because having one super-secure and constantly-monitored vault is more cost-effective than having three of them.
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** The three casinos (implied to be [[ArtisticLicenseGeography next door to each other]]) had a shared vault at the time.time (located underneath the Bellagio). Benedict stored enough cash to cover ''all three'' casinos' chips there, because having one super-secure and constantly-monitored vault is more cost-effective than having three of them.
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*** Right before Linus leaves, Livingston tells him "Don't screw up." Maybe he was completing the line?
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* Obviously it wasn't mentioned because it would have removed the need for the caper, but wouldn't Reuben have grounds to sue Bank? I can't imagine what he signed on the roof would hold up in court given that he'd have been murdered if he hadn't signed it.
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* Obviously it wasn't mentioned because it would have removed the need for the caper, but wouldn't Reuben have grounds to sue Bank? I can't imagine what he signed on the roof would hold up in court given that he'd have been murdered if he hadn't signed it.
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** Halting all betting on opening night because people are winning is pretty much going to be a death nail for a casino. If gamblers see that a casino is going to shut down when people start winning, they simply won't go at all.
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*** Quoting what Roman said: '' they'll all think it's their lucky night, but you'll never get them out of there with their winnings, they're going to gamble it all back''. That's true, and the exit strategy takes the "think it's lucky night" out of the equation. It's one thing to be there in the casino after hitting it big, thinking you are Mr. Luck and that you are an invincible high roller. But the situation is entirely different, these are people who went back to their hotels, cooled down and spoke with their relatives, who most likely would say "don't even DARE to lose of that cash!". Granted, some would just go for it anyways, but odds are most of the people returning next day will cash out their chips.
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** Nobody knows. It was a joke that was written exactly that way, and there's nothing else to it.
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* "And for God's sake, whatever you do, don't, under any circumstances..." What was Rusty going to tell Linus before he was interrupted?
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* "And for God's sake, whatever you do, don't, under any circumstances..." What was Rusty going to tell Linus before he was interrupted?
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** Reverse Big <b>Store</b>, not score. It’s a type of con.
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** Reverse Big <b>Store</b>, Store, not score. It’s a type of con.
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**Reverse Big <b>Store</b>, not score. It’s a type of con.
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** Same goes for the motion detection in the vault itself. In reality, those too would be invisible to the eye.
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** Besides, it's Linus we're talking about here. He was probably told there was climbing gear in there, and never even bothered to open the case in the first place.
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* In the beginning of the movie, Ocean says that he will rob three casinos: the Bellagio, the Mirage, and the MGM Grand. However, we only see them rob the Bellagio. As far as I could tell, the other two movies don't cover them robbing the other two casinos. Did I miss something? Did it happen and we didn't see it? If not, seeing as the "three casinos" line is a hook in the trailer, wouldn't that be false advertising?
* In the beginning of the movie, Ocean says that he will rob three casinos: the Bellagio, the Mirage, and the MGM Grand. However, we only see them rob the Bellagio. As far as I could tell, the other two movies don't cover them robbing the other two casinos. Did I miss something? Did it happen and we didn't see it? If not, seeing as the "three casinos" line is a hook in the trailer, wouldn't that be false advertising?
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* Just prior to the Greco being knocked offline, the control room gets a call from a pit boss asking for permission to book a high-value bet. This establishes that The Bank has pit bosses and hasn't automated the whole thing. So where were they when the Reverse Big Score was going down? Part of their ''job'' is to look for suspicious activity, and ''everybody winning'' would definitely qualify. The control room being out of contact (thanks to that brilliant decision to route everything through the computer) wouldn't help, since pit bosses have the authority to throw the brakes on any time it looks like the casino is being cheated. We know Danny bought one pit boss in roulette, but what about all the rest? Unless these guys were in a coma or locked in the broom closet, they should've been halting betting in their pits until they had control on the phone.
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* Just prior to the Greco being knocked offline, the control room gets a call from a pit boss asking for permission to book a high-value bet. This establishes that The Bank has pit bosses and hasn't automated the whole thing. So where were they when the Reverse Big Score was going down? Part of their ''job'' is to look for suspicious activity, and ''everybody winning'' would definitely qualify. The control room being out of contact (thanks to that brilliant decision to route everything through the computer) wouldn't help, since pit bosses have the authority to throw the brakes on any time it looks like the casino is being cheated. We know Danny bought one pit boss in roulette, but what about all the rest? Unless these guys were in a coma or locked in the broom closet, they should've been halting betting in their pits until they had control on the phone.
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** Benedict needed to be paranoid about underground threats because his ''vault'' was underground. Banks keeps his diamonds at the ''top'' of his casino, and we never see where his casino's vault is located, but it's probably adjacent to the computer room that's staffed 24-7.
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** Benedict needed to be paranoid about underground threats because his ''vault'' was underground. Banks keeps his diamonds at the ''top'' of his casino, and we never see where his casino's vault is located, but it's probably adjacent to the computer room that's staffed 24-7.24-7, making "dig a tunnel to sneak in" a useless strategy to rob either.
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** Benedict needed to be paranoid about underground threats because his ''vault'' was underground. Banks keeps his diamonds at the ''top'' of his casino, and we never see where his casino's vault is located, but it's probably adjacent to the computer room that's staffed 24-7.
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** Presumably the ''actual'' in-Verse Julia Roberts was on maternity leave and not making ''any'' movies at the time, given that Tess was playing her as heavily pregnant.
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** Presumably the ''actual'' in-Verse Julia Roberts was on maternity leave and not making ''any'' movies at the time, given that Tess was playing her as heavily pregnant. That's not the sort of thing they could count on getting away with if the in-Verse Roberts ''wasn't'' expecting, because celebrity-gossip tabloids plaster that sort of baby-bump story all over the place.
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** Presumably the ''actual'' in-Verse Julia Roberts was on maternity leave and not making ''any'' movies at the time, given that Tess was playing her as heavily pregnant.
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** The sections aren't ''that'' curved. A shaft that starts at the shadowed side of a section could run most of the way up that section, ending at the unshaded side of a floor. Then a second elevator could take people the rest of the way up. The floor where people change between elevators could be dolled up as an "observation deck" and fancy lounge.
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* Okay, this has been bugging me for the longest time, but ''how does an elevator work in a building shaped like a triple helix''?
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* Okay, this has been bugging me for the longest time, but ''how does an elevator work in a building shaped like a triple helix''?helix''?
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