History Headscratchers / Nine

* Why didn't the scientist [[spoiler:send his soul in my butts]] from the beginning, instead of [[spoiler:putting it in dolls]]?

* So, this just bugs me a bit in the Funeral Scene for 2, but.... hey, everybody? 7 AND 8 JUST GOT CAPTURED. I know everybody had their own little grief butts to work through right then, but couldn't they have saved it until AFTER 7 and 8 were about to get their souls torn out of them? I mean, seriously, they take the time to find a nice piece of wood to put 2 on, lay him out appropriately and drift him off down the puddle and watch him the whole time, come on people, he'll still be dead when you get back! Then when they finally get around to going to the rescue, 9 gets there just in time to see 8 die.

* Why didn't the scientist [[spoiler:send his soul in the clouds]] from the beginning, instead of [[spoiler:putting it in dolls]]?

* So, this just bugs me a bit in the Funeral Scene for 2, but.... hey, everybody? 7 AND 8 JUST GOT CAPTURED. I know everybody had their own little grief clouds to work through right then, but couldn't they have saved it until AFTER 7 and 8 were about to get their souls torn out of them? I mean, seriously, they take the time to find a nice piece of wood to put 2 on, lay him out appropriately and drift him off down the puddle and watch him the whole time, come on people, he'll still be dead when you get back! Then when they finally get around to going to the rescue, 9 gets there just in time to see 8 die.

* Are the stitchpunks powered by magic alone? This seems to be the only explanation, considering that there's no way they could function as normal robots: they lack any kind of a nerve system that would tell the body parts how to move. It's especially [[{{Egregious}} egregious]] in the oldest stitchpunks - take a look at 1's hand, for instance. It's basically ''just a few plates of metal screwed together.''

*** You guys are [[BerserkButton bugging]] [[{{Transsexual}} me]]. Have you never heard of the Jungian anima? Is it really that unbelievable that a person might have aspects of themselves that are of a different gender? Also, technically none of the dolls have junk, so it's not like any of them are physically male ''or'' female. In which case ''none'' of them are dudes.

* Are the stitchpunks powered by magic alone? This seems to be the only explanation, considering that there's no way they could function as normal robots: they lack any kind of a nerve system that would tell the body parts how to move. It's especially {{Egregious}} in the oldest stitchpunks - take a look at 1's hand, for instance. It's basically ''just a few plates of metal screwed together.''
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* Are the stitchpunks powered by magic alone? This seems to be the only explanation, considering that there's no way they could function as normal robots: they lack any kind of a nerve system that would tell the body parts how to move. It's especially ((Egregious}} in the oldest stitchpunks - take a look at 1's hand, for instance. It's basically ''just a few plates of metal screwed together.''

*** 7 sort of bugged me as well, until I realized that the only thing really female about her was her voice. 9s voice was just pulled out of a broken doll (he wasn't "born" with it), so 7s might have been just as random.... thats right: 7 might be a dude.

** Apparently, it is. [[spoiler:Life was raining again, but even if it was pure soul (instead of microbes, as I think it was), their sould was now parted and they would not be the same stitchpeople again]].

**** Not quite. The machine used the soul-pieces as a power source, not as a soul. If it did, it wouldn't have developed mercy after the first soul-piece. Obviously it didn't. Also, 9 wouldn't allow them to ''destroy'' the machine because then the souls would be gone forever. When they finally killed it, they did it by removing the soul-pieces, not by destroying it.

* Close relation to headscratcher above; If WordOfGod says that 9 woke up 50 years after the war, how is it the Scientist's body has yet to completely decompose? He only made the dolls a couple months after the war ended, going by his journal.[[hottip:*: Self correction, only 9 after the war ended. The rest sent out in a helmet.]]

* If the issue with the Fabricator was that it had no soul, what was the intended purpose of the Talisman slot on the front? Was it just decorative or what? What I mean to say is, why was the machine not having a soul was an issue when it was clearly designed to accept one? If the Scientist only realized his mistake after constructing it, why did he put a soul-accepting input there WHILE constructing it? Unless it was retrofitted, though how he did that is anyboy's guess.

* Each being [[spoiler:a different piece of the Scientists's soul]], it's not hard to see why they are all different. It still bugs me, though, that 3 and 4 are SingleMindedTwins and 7 is female. Actually, 7 bugs me most, how come?

* If the issue with the Fabricator was that it had no soul, what was the intended purpose of the Talisman slot on the front? Was it just decorative or what? What I mean to say is, why was the machine not having a soul was an issue when it was clearly designed to accept one? If the Scientist only realised his mistake after constructing it, why did he put a soul-accepting input there WHILE constructing it? Unless it was retrofitted, though how he did that is anyboy's guess.

* If the issue with the Fabricator was that it had no soul, what was the intended purpose of the Talisman slot on the front? Was it just decorative or what? What I mena to say is why the machine not having a soul was an issue when it was clearly designed to accept one. If the Scientist only realised his mistake after constructing it, why did he put a soul-accepting input there WHILE constructing it? Unless it was retrofitted, though how he did that is anyboy's guess.

* If the issue with the Fabricator was that it had no soul, what was the intended purpose of the Talisman slot on the front? Was it just decorative or what?

*** Even if I were to accept the handwave, everyone still would have survived longer if 9 stayed asleep. We were explicitly told there was only one mecha-tiger thing, and 7 was actively hunting it and killed it pretty handily.
* I wish the ending had been different. I thought, as I watched, that the stitchpunks would eventually turn and realize that it wasn't the objective to [[spoiler:resurrect the human race or biological life, but begin a new race of mechanical, living beings. Together, inside the big machine, they would give it a soul, and thus begin a new race of creatures with souls, not human, but machines that think and feel. I was hoping they would surrender to the machine and join together to give it a soul.]] Thought it was a missed moment of awesome.
** [[http://www.megaupload.com/?d=VZMHTK28 "Bleak, But Hopeful"]] did that. (link leads to a PDF file download).
*** So when you come up with an idea for an ending, and it turns out not to be the real ending (big surprise), thats a missed moment of awesome?
*** I just thought the ending was sort of lame is all. I am merely suggesting what I think to be at least a deeper ending if not a better one (it subverts the 'humans will always prevail and exist and win' thing.

* I know this might be more fandom-related, but why are people convinced that there's a TokenRomance? I mean, 7 and 9 don't get together (whatever that entails), and, personally, I didn't see their interactions with each other as being anything other than that of friends. In fact, I had been worrying about there being one before I saw the movie and was pleased that there ''wasn't''. So why do I see people arguing that it's there?
** People are so used to token romances that they take it for granted that every movie has one. The fact that 7 is the TokenGirl and 9 is TheHero is reason enough for people to assume they're a couple.
*** Even though they're the same person?

* The [[TokenRomance Obligatory Romance]]! I know how common this is with anthropomorphic objects, but 7 and 9 are [[spoiler: part of the same person's soul,]] so a romance between them would be borderline incest! They clearly cannot sexually reproduce ( regardless of how phallic 9's zipper looks) so there's no reason for them to fall in love. Plus they have no nerves, even in the movie it is indirectly acknowledged.
** I started cringing on that ever before the movie reached its climax, but it turns out the romance doesn't get much farther than I thought. In fact, being the only "female", 7 should be more desired by the rest of them(exceptions probably beign 3 and 4), but 9 seems to be the only one who even acknowledges her "femaleness", but they [[spoiler:never get beyond "just good friends"]].
*** Wait, you actually ''cringe'' at that? Is that because of the borderline incest thing or cause they're anthropomorphic objects? 'Cause if it's the latter, someone is taking this movie [[{{SeriousBusiness}} a bit too seriously]].
**** Nah, just the ObligatoryRomance on itself.
** Did you ever think maybe love and reproduction do not have to go hand-in-hand?
*** Nope. Not when some form of sexual behavior becomes involved as it usually does in fanfic.
* Also, two points: why was there a beast machine already before the Machine was revived, and why didn't the Machine invest more on more Beasts instead of doing those little spidery things?

* Not a movie complaint, but a fandom one. The extent to which this is sexualized is ''horrifying''. They're mini-golems covered in burlap! ''They don't have the glands responsible for the hormones that cause sexual desire''. Every single perceived gay crush I've heard described sounds remarkably like "friendship". Have you every heard of friendship? When two people do not hate each other, but also do not want to fuck each other's brains out? If you haven't, you really should document your social life, it would be a most interesting read.
** Welcome to every fandom ever.
*** Sorry, the sexualizing of mechanical beings is a pet peeve of mine. As is the fact that, while I enjoyed this movie, so much of what is posted on this wiki about it is related to who has a crush on whom (regardless of inability to feel physical love, and technically all being siblings, and having no hints of anything more than camaraderie) that I'm afraid to look at its entries.
*** Oh, I wasn't disagreeing with you, it annoys me too. I was just pointing out that nearly every fandom likes to at one point or another sexualize the characters, and interpret friendship as sexual love.
** What about 9 and 7? They are "technically siblings," have no hormones, and never get past the "just good friends" stage, though there are obvious hints- and yet it's unquestionably considered canon. (Not to mention that compared to the relationships of the characters who had lived in the cathedral before 9, who had spent a considerable amount of time with each other and had a chance to bond, or the somewhat-believable development of 5's friendship with 9, the fact that 9 and 7 have no real conversations other than not-so-subtle flirting and only have real "alone time" when [[spoiler:''everyone else except the Twins are dead'']] makes the romance feel positively tacked-on.)
*** See above. The tacked-on romance bugged several of us just as much.
** The desire for romantic love and sex is such a huge part of human nature that people have a hard time imagining sentient beings that don't feel that desire. That's why fictional characters are almost never [[{{Asexuality}} asexual]], even when they're made out of cloth. The stitchpunks form friendships and create things and wonder about their creator just like us, so why shouldn't they fall in love just like us, too?
** Interestingly, it is canon that they feel pleasure akin to a drug-induced high from applying magnets to their skin. Add that to the probable capacity for romantic love, and you've got the makings of mutual magnet massage.

* The thought of the souls going to Sackboy Heaven at the end of the movie is hilarious.
** Well, they didn't. They splintered and turned into bacteria or something. Point is, the souls broke into many pieces and were spread throughout the rain- either turning into microorganisms, reincarnating into microorganisms, or just plain diffuse through the water.

* Does it bother anyone else that there are so many {{Original Character}}s for this movie? It's probably the least OC-friendly work of fiction that this troper has ever seen!
** Using the phrase at the top of this page: Welcome to every fandom ever! Most fans aren't taking the OCs seriously, anyway.
*** Actually, the fandom pretty much lives off of them now. Without them, the fandom would have died off some time ago. And to be technical, the fans are more accepting of OC's than most fandoms are.
** They're named after numbers. It isn't hard to come up with a name based on a number. That's about the only justification I can think of.

* Why did only the most boring dolls get to live? What is it with this sick convention that if you're not a girl or generic you're expendable in movies? 7 is the most boring character EVER, and yet she gets to be alright just because she's THE GIRL.
** Because that's how things worked out. Chill out.
*** Uhm isn't the point of "just bugs me" to talk about things that bugs you? This is a forum for people to complain about things that bugs them. Why on earth would you leave such a comment on a forum for things that bugs people? If you don't like reading about that why on earth read anything in this forum? This is not really the place to say chill out. And if it is I fail to understand the concept.
**** No. No. Nonononono! Again: JustBugsMe is for discussing FridgeLogic. Not just "bugging". Definitely '''not''' complaining! Sometimes [[MST3KMantra Chill out]] ''is'' an appropriate response. Also, 7, the most boring character? She[[hottip:*:not entering in the merit of whether 7's a girl or just a doll with a girl's voice]] was the one who sprang to action while the rest of the stitchpunks just stood around the church waiting for the machines to just stop existing spontaneously!
*** Hmmm...When I read the introductory page, it's clearly NOT just for fridge logic. I'm sorry if I misunderstood the phrase:"Something that just bugs you?", but if you cannot put things that just bugs you here, then this page needds a serious re-write. It may be implied within the community that that's what it is, but then it needs to say so on the title page. And I really don't like the implication that an interesting character is only interesting if they're a big, fat hero. Nothing interesting about someone like 7 BECAUSE they're the sterotypical hero.
**** I must have missed the update. Some time ago it was pretty clear that "this just bugs me" wasn't a valid criterion for JBM(the misleading name nonwithstanding). But back to the point: I'm not saying none of the other are interesting characters, just that 7 isn't the most boring EVER. I'd say 9 is the most boring ever, being a definite DesignatedHero. Or 5 who was... the hero's best friend? But the one character who tries to find a solution for the situation(and manages to, before the so-called hero screws it up and get them back to square one) is definitely not the most boring character EVER in my book.
*** Okay I guess my comment made it seem like I care more than I actually do. I'm not counting 9 even though he is REALLY boring as he wouldn't naturally be expendable. This was more of a criticism in general that all characters who have a bit of personality but are old or cowardly seem to be expendable. I guess I'm just tired of the "cool action girl" image that females seem to fit into these days. It's like female leads cannot be flawed or have any personality, they just need to be some kind of fantasy. Even though this is just a fantastic movie it annoys me to no end that what girls grow up with today are either cool, brave fit actiongirls or cute, "quirky" girls or beautiful, fey, ephemeral fairies who have no personality other than in relation to the MALE lead.
**** Okay, I think we reached an impasse here. I see your point, RealWomenNeverWearDresses is an annoying trend. Also, I'll defy the use of "expendable" in relation to 2, 1, 8 and the others. Killing off those characters was made in name of the drama, and you wouldn't get drama by killing really expendable characters. Maybe that's why they had to die, instead of any of the others. Frankly, I don't have anything else to add.
* My only complaint about the movie would have to be how badly paced it was. From the moment 9 got to the church, he was already at odds with 1. Then, not 5 minutes later, he convinced 5 to leave with him. It gets a bit better from there (basically correcting itself during and after the winged beast fight), but it really wasn't paced very well. Also, it had no sub-plots at all. The movie was strictly from point A to point B, and and the end, I almost felt as though it was lacking something. Don't get me wrong, I loved the movie and it was fantastic, but things like that bother me.
** This is why even the fans wish there had been a longer running time. As it is, the movie only takes place over two or three days, so everything is rushed. I think there was budget issues, since I remember once finding an interview with Shane Acker (online, and I lost the link, sorry about that) where he talked about how higher-ups were telling him he had to keep things to about 72 minutes. This begs the question of why a film company would want to adapt a short into a feature and then not even make it average film length, but there you go. It had its potential, and got screwed out of it.
** [[http://youtu.be/CRcEnJ6EPYY The interview in question, can be seen here.]]

* So, this just bugs me a bit in the Funeral Scene for 2, but.... hey, everybody? 7 AND 8 JUST GOT CAPTURED. I know everybody had their own little grief clouds to work through right then, but couldn't they have saved it until AFTER 7 and 8 were about to get their souls torn out of them? I mean, seriously, they take the time to find a nice piece of wood to put 2 on, lay him out appropriately and drift him off down the puddle and watch him the whole time, come on people, he'll still be dead when you get back! Then when they finally get around to going to the rescue, 9 gets there just in time to see 8 die. Nice job savior, oh well, at least he managed to save the love interest!
* 5 sure got over 9 pretty much killing his bestest best friend in the world pretty quickly, didn't he?
** I guess when there are only 8 (and suddenly, 7) others like you on Earth, there simply isn't any room for grudges.
** 5 was mature enough to recognize that 9 didn't ''mean'' to get 2 killed.