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* So about that extremely ArbitrarySkepticism of Pellinore's-- other than one time-sensitive reason that doesn't pop up until way later (that being [[spoiler:"If it's real, your girlfriend is super dead right now."]]), is there any actual reasoning behind this? At first, it could've possibly been written off as a sort of monstrumology in-joke, something to make you go "Wait, what?" when it's mentioned that vampires are obviously completely fictional, with no explanation as to why (and assumably there's some fancy science behind it that we're not being told about), but then it becomes a central element in the second book. I suppose it could be to show that when Pellinore Warthrop is Absolutely Sure about something, he will marry and grow old and die with it, but even that doesn't explain howabouts he come to be so Absolutely Sure in the first place. It would make sense if, at any point, he (or anyone at all) just straight up explained why ___ couldn't exist according to current scientific knowledge, but instead it's just "NOOOO! It doesn't, shut up!" It's also baffling that he doesn't get called on it more often and with more gusto. Instead of "Man, what you just said there don't make no sense, here's why: ___", we get Hamlet quotes. No one (as far as I can remember) ever stops him and says "Now, hold on just a minute there, let's break this down."
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* So about that extremely ArbitrarySkepticism of Pellinore's-- other than one time-sensitive reason that doesn't pop up until way later (that being [[spoiler:"If it's real, your girlfriend is super dead right now."]]), is there any actual reasoning behind this? At first, it could've possibly been written off as a sort of monstrumology in-joke, something to make you go "Wait, what?" when it's mentioned that vampires are obviously completely fictional, with no explanation as to why (and assumably there's some fancy science behind it that we're not being told about), but then it becomes a central element in the second book. I suppose it could be to show that when Pellinore Warthrop is Absolutely Sure about something, he will marry and grow old and die with it, but even that doesn't explain howabouts he come to be so Absolutely Sure in the first place. It would make sense if, at any point, he (or anyone at all) just straight up explained why ___ couldn't exist according to current scientific knowledge, but instead it's just "NOOOO! It doesn't, shut up!" It's also baffling that he doesn't get called on it more often and with more gusto. Instead of "Man, what you just said there don't make no sense, here's why: ___", we get Hamlet quotes. No one (as far as I can remember) ever stops him and says "Now, hold on just a minute there, let's break this down.""
** Pellinore absolutely rejects anything that smacks of the supernatural. Undead creatures like vampires or agents of "spiritual infection" like Wendigo would, in his mind, depend on an appeal to a supernatural order to explain. Of course the problem there is it makes Pellinore seem very unimaginative in insisting something like a vampire or wendigo ''must'' be inherently supernatural. "Haematophagic humanoid with a sunlight allergy" is a perfectly sound non-supernatural definition of vampire, for example. All turning someone else into a vampire would require would be some agent of infection, whether a disease or parasite (and let's remember those longevity worms which definitely exist). The same could be said of the wendigo-- just because we don't currently understand the mechanism of its infection and powers doesn't mean they ''must'' be supernatural. It is, unfortunately, very in-character for Pellinore to wear blinders when it comes to perspectives other than his own. He admits he needs Will to provide him with extra perspective in the final book.
** Pellinore absolutely rejects anything that smacks of the supernatural. Undead creatures like vampires or agents of "spiritual infection" like Wendigo would, in his mind, depend on an appeal to a supernatural order to explain. Of course the problem there is it makes Pellinore seem very unimaginative in insisting something like a vampire or wendigo ''must'' be inherently supernatural. "Haematophagic humanoid with a sunlight allergy" is a perfectly sound non-supernatural definition of vampire, for example. All turning someone else into a vampire would require would be some agent of infection, whether a disease or parasite (and let's remember those longevity worms which definitely exist). The same could be said of the wendigo-- just because we don't currently understand the mechanism of its infection and powers doesn't mean they ''must'' be supernatural. It is, unfortunately, very in-character for Pellinore to wear blinders when it comes to perspectives other than his own. He admits he needs Will to provide him with extra perspective in the final book.
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I miss being able to be legit confused, but also irate at the source of the confusion. :|
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* So about that extremely ArbitrarySkepticism of Pellinore's-- other than one time-sensitive reason that doesn't pop up until way later (that being [[spoiler:"If it's real, your girlfriend is super dead right now."]]), is there any actual reasoning behind this? At first, it could've possibly been written off as a sort of monstrumology in-joke, something to make you go "Wait, what?" when it's mentioned that vampires are obviously completely fictional, with no explanation as to why (and assumably there's some fancy science behind it that we're not being told about), but then it becomes a central element in the second book. I suppose it could be to show that when Pellinore Warthrop is Absolutely Sure about something, he will marry and grow old and die with it, but even that doesn't explain howabouts he come to be so Absolutely Sure in the first place. It would make sense if, at any point, he (or anyone at all) just straight up explained why ___ couldn't exist according to current scientific knowledge, but instead it's just "NOOOO! It doesn't, shut up!" It's also baffling that he doesn't get called on it more often and with more gusto. Instead of "Man, what you just said there don't make no sense, here's why: ___", we get Hamlet quotes. No one (as far as I can remember) ever stops him and says "Now, hold on just a minute there, let's break this down."
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* So Muriel is supposed to be wonderful... how? The "face of love", even? I never got that. Can anyone explain this to me? Because to me, she always seemed selfish and manipulative and generally just lacking any qualities that would make her worthy of being at the center of this epic love triangle, other than the fact that she's apparently the most beautiful woman ever and has great eyeballs.
** First she throws that old chestnut, the "me or your career!" ultimatum at Pellinore. Now, we're supposed to feel sorry for her, being in love with a man who's already married to his work, right? But can you imagine the same scenario if we just switched the genders? Instant jackass, right? But here, it's okay? Asking someone you love to give up the major defining element of their life is incredibly selfish, and it begs the question: just what part of him did she fall in love with? What exactly would be left of him, were he not a monstrumologist? Pellinore Warthrop: Poet? Dear god, no, I don't even want to. Nevermind that she probably should have thought of all this before she let the relationship get serious, since it must have been obvious from the start that he has an unhealthy dedication to his work.
** To follow that up, when Pellinore tries to kill himself because he can't answer her ultimatum (that's how I read it, anyway; I'm a little fuzzy on the timeline of these events), her response is to... exploit his best friend's unrequited love for her by marrying him in order to hurt her suicidal ex-boyfriend. Because she just loves him so much. Well, that's just exactly what a nice, normal person would do given the circumstances. Except it's really more like something a sociopath would do.
** Then, the balls. I mean, the balls it takes to tell your emotionally unstable ex-fiancee that it would have been better (for her, of course) had he succeeded in killing himself. Because then she could move on with her life, instead of being "trapped" by her continued love for Pellinore. Because there's absolutely no way she could move past him and fall in love with someone else so long as he's still living that's not creepy. Also note her dismissive comment that John would've married a stupid and inferior woman had he not married her, and then he would have been happy-- if only Pellinore had had the decency to just die! Man, Pellinore, why you gotta ruin so many people's lives by not being dead?
** (In before "You just hate her because you're jealous, a lady-hater, a slash fan, etc, etc, etc.")
** First she throws that old chestnut, the "me or your career!" ultimatum at Pellinore. Now, we're supposed to feel sorry for her, being in love with a man who's already married to his work, right? But can you imagine the same scenario if we just switched the genders? Instant jackass, right? But here, it's okay? Asking someone you love to give up the major defining element of their life is incredibly selfish, and it begs the question: just what part of him did she fall in love with? What exactly would be left of him, were he not a monstrumologist? Pellinore Warthrop: Poet? Dear god, no, I don't even want to. Nevermind that she probably should have thought of all this before she let the relationship get serious, since it must have been obvious from the start that he has an unhealthy dedication to his work.
** To follow that up, when Pellinore tries to kill himself because he can't answer her ultimatum (that's how I read it, anyway; I'm a little fuzzy on the timeline of these events), her response is to... exploit his best friend's unrequited love for her by marrying him in order to hurt her suicidal ex-boyfriend. Because she just loves him so much. Well, that's just exactly what a nice, normal person would do given the circumstances. Except it's really more like something a sociopath would do.
** Then, the balls. I mean, the balls it takes to tell your emotionally unstable ex-fiancee that it would have been better (for her, of course) had he succeeded in killing himself. Because then she could move on with her life, instead of being "trapped" by her continued love for Pellinore. Because there's absolutely no way she could move past him and fall in love with someone else so long as he's still living that's not creepy. Also note her dismissive comment that John would've married a stupid and inferior woman had he not married her, and then he would have been happy-- if only Pellinore had had the decency to just die! Man, Pellinore, why you gotta ruin so many people's lives by not being dead?
** (In before "You just hate her because you're jealous, a lady-hater, a slash fan, etc, etc, etc.")
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* So Muriel is supposed to be wonderful... ? The "face of love", even? I never got that. Can anyone explain this to me? Because to me, she always seemed selfish and manipulative and generally just lacking any qualities that would make her worthy of being at the center of this epic love triangle, other than the fact that she's apparently the most beautiful woman ever and has great eyeballs.
** First she throws that old chestnut, the "me or your career!" ultimatum at Pellinore. Now, while we're supposed to feel sorry for her, being in love with a man who's already married to his work. But can you imagine the same scenario if we just switched the genders? Instant jackass, right? But here, it's okay? Asking someone you love to give up the major defining element of their life is incredibly selfish, and it begs the question: just what part of him did she fall in love with? Nevermind that she probably should have thought of all this before she let the relationship get serious, since it must have been obvious from the start that Pellinore has an unhealthy dedication to his work.
** First she throws that old chestnut, the "me or your career!" ultimatum at Pellinore. Now, while we're supposed to feel sorry for her, being in love with a man who's already married to his work. But can you imagine the same scenario if we just switched the genders? Instant jackass, right? But here, it's okay? Asking someone you love to give up the major defining element of their life is incredibly selfish, and it begs the question: just what part of him did she fall in love with? Nevermind that she probably should have thought of all this before she let the relationship get serious, since it must have been obvious from the start that Pellinore has an unhealthy dedication to his work.
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* So Muriel is supposed to be wonderful... ? how? The "face of love", even? I never got that. Can anyone explain this to me? Because to me, she always seemed selfish and manipulative and generally just lacking any qualities that would make her worthy of being at the center of this epic love triangle, other than the fact that she's apparently the most beautiful woman ever and has great eyeballs.
** First she throws that old chestnut, the "me or your career!" ultimatum at Pellinore. Now,while we're supposed to feel sorry for her, being in love with a man who's already married to his work. work, right? But can you imagine the same scenario if we just switched the genders? Instant jackass, right? But here, it's okay? Asking someone you love to give up the major defining element of their life is incredibly selfish, and it begs the question: just what part of him did she fall in love with? What exactly would be left of him, were he not a monstrumologist? Pellinore Warthrop: Poet? Dear god, no, I don't even want to. Nevermind that she probably should have thought of all this before she let the relationship get serious, since it must have been obvious from the start that Pellinore he has an unhealthy dedication to his work.
** First she throws that old chestnut, the "me or your career!" ultimatum at Pellinore. Now,
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** Then, the balls. I mean, the balls it takes to tell your emotionally unstable ex-fiancee that it would have been better (for her, of course) had he succeeded in killing himself. Because then she could move on with her life, instead of being "trapped" by her continued love for Pellinore. Because there's absolutely no way she could move past him and fall in love with someone else so long as he's still living that's not creepy. Also note her dismissive comment that John would've married a stupid and inferior woman had he not married her, and then he would have been happy-- if only Pellinore had had the decency to just die! Man, Pellinore, why you gotta ruin so many people's lives by not being dead?
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** Then, the balls. I mean, the balls it takes to tell your emotionally unstable ex-fiancee that it would have been better (for her, of course) had he succeeded in killing himself. Because then she could move on with her life, instead of being "trapped" by her continued love for Pellinore. Because there's absolutely no way she could move past him and fall in love with someone else so long as he's still living that's not creepy. Also note her dismissive comment that John would've married a stupid and inferior woman had he not married her, and then he would have been happy-- if only Pellinore had had the decency to just die! Man, Pellinore, why you gotta ruin so many people's lives by not being dead?dead?
** (In before "You just hate her because you're jealous, a lady-hater, a slash fan, etc, etc, etc.")
** (In before "You just hate her because you're jealous, a lady-hater, a slash fan, etc, etc, etc.")
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* So Muriel is supposed to be wonderful... ? The "face of love"? Yeah, I never got that. To me, she always seemed selfish and manipulative and generally just lacking any qualities that would make her worthy of being at the center of this epic love triangle, other than the fact that she's apparently the most beautiful woman ever and has great eyeballs.
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* So Muriel is supposed to be wonderful... ? The "face of love"? Yeah, love", even? I never got that. To Can anyone explain this to me? Because to me, she always seemed selfish and manipulative and generally just lacking any qualities that would make her worthy of being at the center of this epic love triangle, other than the fact that she's apparently the most beautiful woman ever and has great eyeballs.
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* So Muriel is supposed to be wonderful... ? The "face of love"? Yeah, I never got that. To me, she always seemed selfish and manipulative and generally just lacking any qualities that would make her worthy of being at the center of this epic love triangle, other than the fact that she's apparently the most beautiful woman ever and has great eyeballs.
** First she throws that old chestnut, the "me or your career!" ultimatum at Pellinore. Now, while we're supposed to feel sorry for her, being in love with a man who's already married to his work. But can you imagine the same scenario if we just switched the genders? Instant jackass, right? But here, it's okay? Asking someone you love to give up the major defining element of their life is incredibly selfish, and it begs the question: just what part of him did she fall in love with? Nevermind that she probably should have thought of all this before she let the relationship get serious, since it must have been obvious from the start that Pellinore has an unhealthy dedication to his work.
** To follow that up, when Pellinore tries to kill himself because he can't answer her ultimatum (that's how I read it, anyway; I'm a little fuzzy on the timeline of these events), her response is to... exploit his best friend's unrequited love for her by marrying him in order to hurt her suicidal ex-boyfriend. Because she just loves him so much. Well, that's just exactly what a nice, normal person would do given the circumstances. Except it's really more like something a sociopath would do.
** Then, the balls. I mean, the balls it takes to tell your emotionally unstable ex-fiancee that it would have been better (for her, of course) had he succeeded in killing himself. Because then she could move on with her life, instead of being "trapped" by her continued love for Pellinore. Because there's absolutely no way she could move past him and fall in love with someone else so long as he's still living that's not creepy. Also note her dismissive comment that John would've married a stupid and inferior woman had he not married her, and then he would have been happy-- if only Pellinore had had the decency to just die! Man, Pellinore, why you gotta ruin so many people's lives by not being dead?
** First she throws that old chestnut, the "me or your career!" ultimatum at Pellinore. Now, while we're supposed to feel sorry for her, being in love with a man who's already married to his work. But can you imagine the same scenario if we just switched the genders? Instant jackass, right? But here, it's okay? Asking someone you love to give up the major defining element of their life is incredibly selfish, and it begs the question: just what part of him did she fall in love with? Nevermind that she probably should have thought of all this before she let the relationship get serious, since it must have been obvious from the start that Pellinore has an unhealthy dedication to his work.
** To follow that up, when Pellinore tries to kill himself because he can't answer her ultimatum (that's how I read it, anyway; I'm a little fuzzy on the timeline of these events), her response is to... exploit his best friend's unrequited love for her by marrying him in order to hurt her suicidal ex-boyfriend. Because she just loves him so much. Well, that's just exactly what a nice, normal person would do given the circumstances. Except it's really more like something a sociopath would do.
** Then, the balls. I mean, the balls it takes to tell your emotionally unstable ex-fiancee that it would have been better (for her, of course) had he succeeded in killing himself. Because then she could move on with her life, instead of being "trapped" by her continued love for Pellinore. Because there's absolutely no way she could move past him and fall in love with someone else so long as he's still living that's not creepy. Also note her dismissive comment that John would've married a stupid and inferior woman had he not married her, and then he would have been happy-- if only Pellinore had had the decency to just die! Man, Pellinore, why you gotta ruin so many people's lives by not being dead?
