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* Aaron Simmons, the commander of the strategic Luna Base, defects to the Vagans in G3 and hands the base over to their control while retaining his position. In episode 43, we find out it's because he's a DirtyCoward whose primary motivation is not wanting to die. So... why in the world would he join the military when there's a war that's lasted 50+ years? That would make some sense in G1, but at this point it's obvious to anyone that joining the military is, in fact, A DANGEROUS JOB.
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* Assuming the post-credits scene at the end of ''Memory of Eden'' is in real life, how are Zeheart and Fram's names on the same gravestone? I can understand Kio wanting to honour the love of his life and her needlessly killed brother ([[spoiler:Lu Anon and Dean Anon]]) and Asemu wanting to honour his best friend. However, how would people know that Fram was deeply in love with Zeheart? The only one who I think would suspect something is Fram's fellow deputy officer Leil Light, [[spoiler:who died a few minutes before she did]]. So assuming the gravestones are real rather than a representation of the narration, how did anyone know that Fram was at least close enough to Zeheart to warrant them sharing a gravestone?
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* Okay, so Decil Galette is a really good pilot and an X-Rounder, so it's obvious why Vagan wants him in a mobile suit. But why did they give him any authority? Even before [[spoiler:killing Yurin]], and even even before he calls a retreat out of boredom (which is not a legitimate military reason to retreat when you are ''winning the battle''), the first thing he does in the series is run off, and he winds up in the one Federation ship that's actually a threat, which runs a massive risk of being taken into custody. Then he jumps in the Gundam to play with it and... doesn't do anything useful like try to steal it, or sabotage it, or at least find out its technical specs. He just takes a joyride. Absolutely ''none'' of his actions paint him as someone who is qualified to hold any rank above pilot: he's not smart, he's not guiley (at least beyond the point necessary to be seen as a mischievous kid), and he's capricious. If anything, the Vagan ought to have given him a designated 24/7 babysitter, not a position of authority. So... what the hell?
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* Okay, so Decil Desil Galette is a really good pilot and an X-Rounder, so it's obvious why Vagan wants him in a mobile suit. But why did they give him any authority? Even before [[spoiler:killing Yurin]], and even even before he calls a retreat out of boredom (which is not a legitimate military reason to retreat when you are ''winning the battle''), the first thing he does in the series is run off, and he winds up in the one Federation ship that's actually a threat, which runs a massive risk of being taken into custody. Then he jumps in the Gundam to play with it and... doesn't do anything useful like try to steal it, or sabotage it, or at least find out its technical specs. He just takes a joyride. Absolutely ''none'' of his actions paint him as someone who is qualified to hold any rank above pilot: he's not smart, he's not guiley (at least beyond the point necessary to be seen as a mischievous kid), and he's capricious. If anything, the Vagan ought to have given him a designated 24/7 babysitter, not a position of authority. So... what the hell?
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** Panic. He probably thought that Commander Bruzar wouldn't listen to him. Besides, the teacher was closest to him at the time and in a show of haste decided to tell him, not thinking of the possible failure.
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* Why does Flit only pressure Asemu to be a mobile suit pilot? Why not give Unoa motivation to become one as well?
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** The accepted idea, is that Excelcant was off his rocker and couldn't see the contradictions in his own plans.
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** Because pilots like Woolf and Asemu can basically fight by instinct, which negates an X-Rounder's predictive abilities. Most X-Rounders use their abilities as a crutch instead of relying on actual skill to fight, so the moment they fight against someone capable of negating their predictive abilities in some manner, they are hosed.
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* I understand that X-Rounders are pretty much Gundam AGE's equivalent of Newtypes for Universal Century titles having precognitive abilities and heightened spatial awareness. Unless you were a Newtype or Cyber Newtype within a UC title, you wouldn't stand a chance against a Newtype in a mobile suit battle. How is it then that Asemu and Woolf are able to hold their own or beat X-Rounders in spite of lacking such abilities for battle?
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** The two are massively different. Kira for one is actually competent. He isn't so much a pacifist as a person who fights to end war, while Kio is pretty poor on that front. What makes Kira so different is that he shows little hesitation in taking down threats in the most efficient and timely manner possible, while Kio wastes lives again and again trying to persuade obviously lost causes. When the chips are down, Kira is willing to back up his words with every ounce of force on his side. Kio simply doesn't possess anywhere near that resolve or conviction.
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* Why didn't Flit just tell Commander Henrick that UE is about to attack? Instead, he showed his predictions to his TEACHER of all people, as if he's going to understand... Really?
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* Why didn't Flit just tell Commander Henrick that UE is about to attack? Instead, he showed his predictions to his TEACHER of all people, as if he's going to understand... Really?
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*** Yeah, it was gratifying to see that he had no status other than "particularly brutal pilot" in G2, so that at least made sense. I guess I'll just have to use that rationalization for why he retained any rank in G1 even long enough to [[spoiler:kill off their other X-Rounder]], since he had done a couple of really idiotic things before that final straw. I mean just his first {{Gundamjack}} Gundamjack stunt should have been enough... though Vagan does seem to have a general problem of making bloodthirsty glory hounds with poor judgment their [[AcePilot Ace Pilots]].
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* Ok so Ezelcant's Master plan or Project Eden, was to somehow, fight an intentionally prolonged bloody war in order to kill both the "weak" and the stronger people that were violent and desired war. Then these so called worthy people both Earth Born and Vagan would live on Earth in total peace. Ok.....removing the obvious fact of that plan being both insane, not likely to work, and Ezelcant not even really seeming to work on it beyond prolonging the war, making MORE weapons of war like Legilis his super clone and Vagan Gear. Ezelcant dies in total happiness, thanking Kio and seeminging acting like his plan was a perfect success. Except it wasn't. Like at all. All he accomplished was getting Zeheart and a bunch of his own men killed, kill every named pilot but the 3 Gundam pilots and his super clone, and force the Vagans into peace with Earth and return to status quo. At no part of this does his crazy Eden plan come into fruition. And if he changed his mind on it, the show made no attempt to convey that at all. So....what? He shouldn't be happy at all. His plan failed, alot of his people died, and he basically wasted his life.
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* Ok so Ezelcant's Master plan or Project Eden, was to somehow, fight an intentionally prolonged bloody war in order to kill both the "weak" and the stronger people that were violent and desired war. Then these so called worthy people both Earth Born and Vagan would live on Earth in total peace. Ok.....removing the obvious fact of that plan being both insane, not likely to work, and Ezelcant not even really seeming to work on it beyond prolonging the war, making MORE weapons of war like Legilis his super clone and Vagan Gear. Ezelcant dies in total happiness, thanking Kio and seeminging acting like his plan was a perfect success. Except it wasn't. Like at all. All he accomplished was getting Zeheart and a bunch of his own men killed, kill every named pilot but the 3 Gundam pilots and his super clone, and force the Vagans into peace with Earth and return to status quo. At no part of this does his crazy Eden plan come into fruition. And if he changed his mind on it, the show made no attempt to convey that at all. So....what? He shouldn't be happy at all. His plan failed, alot of his people died, and he basically wasted his life.
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** Space colonies are expensive. ''Really'' expensive. Vagan is pretty obviously suffering from a poor economy and a general dearth of resources. Pretty much everything they have they are putting either into their military or medical research on the Mars Ray disease. They could maybe move their colonies away from Mars (Second Moon at the very least is travel-worthy), which might get them away from the Mars radiation... but then what? They'd be drifting about in deep space, cut off from any supplies or trade. At least around Mars you can make trips to the surface to mine minerals or water. In deep space they'd probably be worse off than around Mars, even with the Mars Rays taken out of the equation.
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** Space colonies are expensive. ''Really'' expensive. Vagan is pretty obviously suffering from a poor economy and a general dearth of resources. Pretty much everything they have they are putting either into their military or medical research on the Mars Ray disease. They could maybe move their colonies away from Mars (Second Moon at the very least is travel-worthy), which might get them away from the Mars radiation... but then what? They'd be drifting about in deep space, cut off from any supplies or trade. At least around Mars you can make trips to the surface to mine minerals or water. In deep space they'd probably be worse off than around Mars, even with the Mars Rays taken out of the equation.
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** OP--oops, lost track of this. Okay, my bad for forgetting that Girard's sortie ''was'' against orders, although the general trend of Vagan putting unstable jerks into their elite corps still bothers me. know the Vagan were given a reason for having lots of JerkAss soldiers late in the show, but apart from the Phantom Three--whose AntagonistInMourning moment was pretty touching really--they seemed to be very self-involved. It seemed to be mostly about personal glory with the Magicians 8 (they seemed more insulted than saddened at the loss of their comrades, unlike the P3) and apart from 37/38, there wasn't much acknowledgement that their behavior is aberrant (apart from the plan fact of "insubordination, you shouldn't do that"). Although I like the idea that tossing them on the front lines as human grapeshot [[spoiler:was all part of Ezelcant's plan... that could also explain why a rookie like Deen was deployed straight into the elite corps. And hell, maybe even why they threw Yurin into that Sacrificial Barbie mobile suit]].
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** Also, X-Rounders are supposed to be excellent at combat. With the exception of Asemu "Super Pilot" Asuno and Woolf, every single AcePilot is also an X-Rounder. The two traits seem to go hand-in-hand. [[spoiler:It might also tie into Ezelcant's ill-thought-out SocialDarwinist scheme: the X-Rounders are exactly the type of people he ''doesn't'' want in his new Eden. By putting them on the front line, they will very likely get killed in battle, while taking down some enemies with them.]]
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** Zeheart actually ''didn't'' want Girard to participate because he suspected what might happen. However, she disobeyed orders and deployed anyways, at which point he couldn't do much about it. Also, when you're raised in an environment where you're taught at an early age that HopeIsScary and that you have to unconditionally hate everybody in the Earth Sphere, of course you're going to grow up with really severe emotional and psychological issues.
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** Not sure why this was deleted, but the other troper's assessment of Kio and Kira sounded spot-on. Kira was the most recent protagonist who annoyed many fans by being preachily pacifist--they have lots of differences, but that's the main thing people remember.
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* What exactly is it with Vagan and choosing unstable, self-centered X-Rounders to be their [[AcePilot Ace Pilots]]? Decil was the first, but half the Magicians 8 acted like particularly enthusiastic [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy Proud Warror Race Guys/Gals]] rather than the bitter shells that Vagans are supposed to turn into according to episode 37/38, selfishly disobeying orders and getting themselves killed doing so. And Girard was known to be a potential danger to her own side, yet Zeheart used her prominently in battle. At that point he had the authority to bench her and stick with less powerful, but more stable pilots to fight the Gundams if he wanted. After the Magicians' 8 insubordination and Decil becoming such a liability that he was abandoned to the Gundam, why would Vagan insist on taking the risk yet again?
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* What exactly is it with Vagan and choosing unstable, self-centered X-Rounders to be their [[AcePilot Ace Pilots]]? Decil was the first, but half the Magicians 8 acted like particularly enthusiastic [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy Proud Warror Race Guys/Gals]] rather than the bitter shells that Vagans are supposed to turn into according to episode 37/38, selfishly disobeying orders and getting themselves killed doing so. And Girard was known to be a potential danger to her own side, yet Zeheart used her prominently in battle. At that point he had the authority to bench her and stick with less powerful, but more stable pilots to fight the Gundams if he wanted. After the Magicians' 8 insubordination and Decil becoming such a liability that he was abandoned to the Gundam, why would Vagan insist on taking the risk yet again?
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**** He was pretty much their only X-Rounder in their forces in Gen 1. So he was a very important asset. Once they found a better X-Rounder who was both powerful, skilled, and nevermind simply having half a brain and not being crazy (they'd likely have taken an average intelligent XR over Desil) but was a very professional and intelligent commander, in Zeheart, Desil was promptly frozen with the other X-Rounders and demoted to attack dog.
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*** Yeah, it was gratifying to see that he had no status other than "particularly brutal pilot" in G2, so that at least made sense. I guess I'll just have to use that rationalization for why he retained any rank in G1 even long enough to [[spoiler:kill off their other X-Rounder]], since he had done a couple of really idiotic things before that final straw. I mean just his first {{Gundamjack}} stunt should have been enough... though Vagan does seem to have a general problem of making bloodthirsty glory hounds with poor judgment their [[AcePilot Ace Pilots]].
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** It's also probably because in Vagan society, X-Rounders would more likely have higher social status than regular people. Since Desil was one of the more powerful Vagan X-Rounders, his words would have a lot of clout, at least before he squandered it at the end of the first generation.
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** Pretty much it all boils down to both of them being TechnicalPacifist [[MarySue Mary Sues]] of their respective series.
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** Kira is better at what he does because unlike Kio, Kira can actually kick ass while delivering his holier than thou speeches to his opponents. Not to mention, he doesn't do retarded crap like try to talk down an enemy who has gone berserk as a result of a psychic overload.
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** Probably because Kio continuously tells his opponent,especially Fram and Girard,to stop fighting and understand each other.
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** It's pretty obvious that, in the second generation at least, Vagan isn't giving him any authority and is treating him rather like a mad dog on a leash, useful but dangerous. As for his treatment in the first generation... not sure. It seems that the Galette family is in Ezelcant's good books (perhaps they are Vagan nobility?), what with all the authority he throws at Zeheart in the second generation, so perhaps Desil was getting preferential treatment on Ezelcant's (who wasn't there to witness Desil's screw-ups) orders.
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* Why do people feel the need to compare these two? Both are drastically different in the way they go about the way to spread pacifism. And in fact it could be argued that Kio is better at it. Why say that Kira is better when there is larger evidence supporting that Kio has a better reason for going the way he does and is better?
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* Why do people feel the need to compare these two? Both are drastically different in the way they go about the way to spread pacifism. And in fact it could be argued that Kio is better at it. Why say that Kira is better when there is larger evidence supporting that Kio has a better reason for going the way he does and is better?
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* Okay, so Decil Galette is a really good pilot and an X-Rounder, so it's obvious why Vagan wants him in a mobile suit. But why did they give him any authority? Even before killing Yurin, and even even before he calls a retreat out of boredom (which is not a legitimate military reason to retreat when you are ''winning the battle''), the first thing he does in the series is run off, and he winds up in the one Federation ship that's actually a threat, which runs a massive risk of being taken into custody. Then he jumps in the Gundam to play with it and... doesn't do anything useful like try to steal it, or sabotage it, or at least find out its technical specs. He just takes a joyride. Absolutely ''none'' of his actions paint him as someone who is qualified to hold any rank above pilot: he's not smart, he's not guiley (at least beyond the point necessary to be seen as a mischievous kid), and he's capricious. If anything, the Vagan ought to have given him a designated 24/7 babysitter, not a position of authority. So... what the hell?
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* Okay, so Decil Galette is a really good pilot and an X-Rounder, so it's obvious why Vagan wants him in a mobile suit. But why did they give him any authority? Even before killing Yurin, and even even before he calls a retreat out of boredom (which is not a legitimate military reason to retreat when you are ''winning the battle''), the first thing he does in the series is run off, and he winds up in the one Federation ship that's actually a threat, which runs a massive risk of being taken into custody. Then he jumps in the Gundam to play with it and... doesn't do anything useful like try to steal it, or sabotage it, or at least find out its technical specs. He just takes a joyride. Absolutely ''none'' of his actions paint him as someone who is qualified to hold any rank above pilot: he's not smart, he's not guiley (at least beyond the point necessary to be seen as a mischievous kid), and he's capricious. If anything, the Vagan ought to have given him a designated 24/7 babysitter, not a position of authority. So... what the hell?
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* Okay, so Decil Galette is a really good pilot and an X-Rounder, so it's obvious why Vagan wants him in a mobile suit. But why did they give him any authority? Even before killing Yurin, and even even before he calls a retreat out of boredom (which is not a legitimate military reason to retreat when you are ''winning the battle''), the first thing he does in the series is run off, and he winds up in the one Federation ship that's actually a threat, which runs a massive risk of being taken into custody. Then he jumps in the Gundam to play with it and... doesn't do anything useful like try to steal it, or sabotage it, or at least find out its technical specs. He just takes a joyride. Absolutely ''none'' of his actions paint him as someone who is qualified to hold any rank above pilot: he's not smart, he's not guiley (at least beyond the point necessary to be seen as a mischievous kid), and he's capricious. If anything, the Vagan ought to have given him a designated 24/7 babysitter, not a position of authority. So... what the hell?
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