History Headscratchers / Minecraft

*** It's not really a beta in the traditional sense. Beta is the version, but it's not a beta test like most other examples. It's an ealry version of the game that is selling for a low price.

*** It's not really a beta in the traditional sense. Beta is the version, but it's not a beta test like most other examples. It's an ealry version of the game that is selling for a low price.

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*** All other betas I've seen are free. Why isn't this one?
*** If this is such a good business strategy, why haven't I seen other companies do it?

** Note that I have nothing against the game. If so many say it's fantastic, then it probably ''is'' fantastic. But it feels like the developers are jumping the gun here. This is the only beta I've seen that charges people. (The other betas I've seen ALSO allow the people who get the beta to have all subsequent upgrades for free.) Why isn't this one? That being said, there seems to be very little actual "beta testing" going on at this point, so it may just be a confusion of terminology here.

*** Well, my point is twofold, which I don't think has been answered yet. All of you are gushing about the game, but this is not about the game. This is about the marketing:
**** All other betas I've seen are free. Why isn't this one?
**** If this is such a good business strategy, why haven't I seen other companies do it?
*** Note that I have nothing against the game. If so many say it's fantastic, then it probably ''is'' fantastic. But it feels like the developers are jumping the gun here. This is the only beta I've seen that charges people. (The other betas I've seen ALSO allow the people who get the beta to have all subsequent upgrades for free.) Why isn't this one? That being said, there seems to be very little actual "beta testing" going on at this point, so it may just be a confusion of terminology here.

** I think that turning Reed into Sugar Cane is lazier.

** At first, the Alpha version ''was'' free when it was just Creative/Infdev. Notch added the optional Survival mode and charged people if they wanted to buy it. The response was [[{{Understatement}} enthusiastic]] because it was fun to play. That and the promise that ''all future, improved versions of the game will be free to whoever bought the game already'', coupled with a quite low price tag, resulted in a rousing success. I personally bought the game back when it cost only $10. In my judgment, paying $10 for a solid game that is constantly getting updated for free, is one hell of a good bargain.

** At first, the Alpha version ''was'' free when it was just Creative/Infdev. Notch added the optional Survival mode and charged people if they wanted to buy it. The response was [[{{Understatement}} enthusiastic.]] Since then, all versions are paid.

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** The community would have whined and claimed that he was being lazy in copying reeds to make sugar cane. Also, as mentioned on the main page, [[RealityIsUnrealistic you can actually make paper from sugar cane.]]

* That Notch ret conned Reeds to be Sugar Cane. Was it really that hard just to add Sugar Cane?

**** If he scarcely cared about it he wouldn't be working on the game this hard for so long. Don't be that presumptuous.

*** The quote is not referring to broken mods, it's referring to Notch stating openly that he frowns upon client mods when they are simply people trying to improve the game he scarcely cares about (pushing updates to everyone who bought the game before he has even tested the game for 10 seconds, anyone?).

** As pressumptious as Mister Wunsch may be about Notch's schedule and programming habits and their defensibility from FanDumb, it has to be said that an attempted Mediator is far better than rampant FanHaters attacking the developer of an in-Beta game for actually having a life outside of it. Also, when exactly did patches breaking unofficial and unsupported mods suddenly become the intent of the creator(s)?

** Care to explain exactly why FanHaters should be respected more than attempted Mediators?

-> I care that he's selling a game with potential that he's wasting by doing stupid shit and not thinking; he is clearly good enough at coding in theory to be able to do this properly, he just _isn't_. And I care that the raving hordes of fanboys lynch you for even suggesting any of this might be true.

* [http://mwunsch.tumblr.com/post/1179254565/notchdrones This.] In the words of someone to whom I showed it:

* Too right, but I think it was a joke. he ''did'' cite a source, so that helps. I added the bit about replanting, so that balances it out. At least it was listed as ''accidental'' aesop, meaning it's just one person's opinion, and there's no such thing as notability after all.

* Seconded - what bothers me about it is that it's just as possible to build with nature in the game, creating a tree house or just watching the seasons pass. Sure, there's gonna be someone whose huge mega construction requires damming off all water supplies or making multiple entries into the Nether - but there's always someone who has to be mean with no reason, or thinks he's being very clever by trolling or embarking on VideoGameCrueltyPotential - or by writing needlessly pompous reviews...

Honestly, it's the same reason I don't play multiplayer or go to the forums. It's a great game, and I don't want to think about the stupidity of a bunch of people who like to tout their 'correct' way of seeing things.
** Off-topic, but you're overreacting. Almost all of the people on the forums and on multiplayer will not hate on you for your play style. Even if you play on peaceful, something which about 55% of the community hates, they will not hate on you. Unless they're trolls, but that's another story.

:Too right, but I think it was a joke. he ''did'' cite a source, so that helps. I added the bit about replanting, so that balances it out. At least it was listed as ''accidental'' aesop, meaning it's just one person's opinion, and there's no such thing as notability after all.

** Off-topic, but you're overreacting. Almost all of the people on the forums and on multiplayer will not hate on you for your play style. Even if you play on peaceful, something which about 55% of the community hates, they will not hate on you. Unless they're {{[[Troll]] trolls}}, but that's another story.

:Too right, but I think it was a joke. he ''did'' cite a source, so that helps. I added the bit about replanting, so that balances it out. At least it was listed as ''accidental'' aesop, meaning it's just one person's opinion, and there's no such thing as notability after all.
* Ive played this game and honestly it felt like DwarfFortress without the management or the losing is fun aspect I know it sounds shallow but honestly it felt like one aspect of DwarfFortress the grandiose construction's and took that admittedly that is the other half of the fun in that game.
** Losing ''is'' [[UnusualEuphemism fun]] in Minecraft. [[EpicFail Ever fallen into a lava pool with an inventory full of ore and carrying your only diamond pickaxe?]]

* Ive played this game and honestly it felt like DwarfFortress without the management or the losing is fun aspect I know it sounds shallow but honestly it felt like one aspect of DwarfFortress the grandiose construction's and took that admittedly that is the other half of the fun in that game.

:Too right, but I think it was a joke. he ''did'' cite a source, so that helps. I added the bit about replanting, so that balances it out. At least it was listed as ''accidental'' aesop, meaning it's just one person's opinion, and there's no such thing as notability after all.