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** Because a shadow is dark,[[DarkIsEvil dark is evil]], heroes defeat evils, and [[HeroesPreferSwords swords are heroic]]

** Because a shadow is dark,[[DarkIsEvil dark is evil]], and [[HeroesPrefersSword swords are heroic]]

** Because a shadow is dark,[[DarkIsEvil dark is evil]], and [[HeroesPreferSword swords are heroic]]

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*** I thought Alpha was the consciousness of the old net, kinda like [[DigimonTamers D-reaper]]. Actually exactly like the D-reaper, it was the presence that regulated the expansion and growth of the old frame work.

* That EXE 4-6 was a PostScriptSeason at all. I think they should've just ended it there and if they truly wanted to continue the series, replace Lan. Make it so his son gets a "Mega Man X.exe" or something and continues his legacy and fighting Nebula as Lan did with WWW. I just really feel like the second half would've been better if it didn't focus on Lan and mirrored X instead of like how the first three mirrored Classic.
** Well, if there's one thing EXE 4-6 (or at least 5-6) did it topped off Lan and Chaud's character development from BN1-3. After Lan's little hero incident in [=BN3=], he's now perfectly fine with never receiving any credit for what he does, and Chaud has significantly mellowed out and realized that, yes, some people are just as good as he. Also, since the original [=MegaMan.EXE=] was a human soul digitalized, [=MegaManX.EXE=] would have to follow suit and somehow be even more advanced, which sounds conceptually impossible (would also mean that Lan would have to lose a son. So yeah). That, and there's Star Force.
** They had no intention of creating any more of the series. The problem is that ''they work for [[{{Sequelitis}} Capcom]]''.
* Am I the only one who thought [=BN4=]'s plot could have worked, it just needed to have some more competent writing and be as dark as BN5 in tone? Seriously, the anime actually succeeded at making Nebula seem like a credible threat (yes, the anime had its problems, but it did pull that off), and the whole tournament to find someone who could access Duo as a backup plan wasn't THAT idiotic, but the story writing was so crap it took technically plausible plot twists and jacked things up to be implausible. Below is a small list of things that would have saved the plot (or at least made it more credible):
** 1. More of the tournament people you fight should have been Nebula agents, and it should be made apparent to both Lan and the world officials Nebula is actively trying to fuck up their plans to save the world to make the story darker and better able to take seriously. Also, it should have been made more clear that the world was being distracted with "bread and circuses" as a ploy to keep everyone ignorant to forestall panic, as the actual story writing made it seem like a happy coincidence, which is stupid. In fact, any competent body of world leaders trying to save the world with a plan like this would have definitely figured PR benefits into the idea from the start, not added in the benefit as they went along with it.
** 2. Dr. Hikari was suspicious of Regal from the get go... good idea. Unfortunately, he seems to forget this until the very end of the game... bad idea. Have him be constantly suspicious, especially when Regal makes small tweaks to the plan that tend to eliminate failsafes or put Regal in an ideal position to sabotage things. The game had follow both father and son's side of the story, and Dr. Hikari's side was marginalized to the story's detriment. Also, expansion on this subplot would have made the threat more imminent and something of constant concern.
** 3. Okay, some of the crazy stuff during the tournament arc was borderline insane, but I can forgive that. What I can't forgive is how they did very little with the good guy contestants. Hell, they should have made some of them be attacked by or actively investigating Nebula on a semiregular basis to keep their villain and his nefarious schemes appropriately centered on derailing the plot, and again, it keeps the lighthearted story trapped in an overtone of impending darkness.
** 4. The endgame seemed to realize what it should have been doing all along, as it was pretty damn dark (Regal throws himself off a roof, for crying out loud), so the part where the world was cheering Lan on was idiotic, and should have been substituted with Lan and Hub going Full Synchro and reversing Duo's Colony Drop with HeroicResolve. Also, this would eliminate the painful BigLippedAlligatorMoment aspect of how no one seems to remember the plot of the fourth game happened, as Lan's character had developed to the point he would be content with obscurity as long as he did the right thing and saved the world.
** 5. Epilouge. Show that it's not over with a brief scene (even if you keep it all black like in Battle Network 2) that Regal survived and have him hint at the plot of Battle Network 5.
*** Personally, I don't think even those tweaks could save Battle Network 4's story. First off, the entire "main" story is that NAXA is trying to save the world from an asteroid in quite possibly ''the'' most incompetent way ever. The Earth is in danger? Instead of spreading the word to all the higher ups in charge, let's just contact three famous scientists, one of which known to specialize in a field that is most certainly not space. And the tournaments actually were just a "happy coincidence"; when Yuichiro's plan failed (which really shouldn't have happened had there actually have been security, but like I said, NAXA is incompetent) Regal asked for a strong Net Battler, so the Boss of NAXA just went and picked up the champion of the Version Tournament. The only other thing I should point out is how Lan bounced in and out of character and intelligence throughout the game. With the tournament scenarios, that's not odd, those are just fucked up in general. But in the actual story elements, Lan proves to be so idiotic it isn't even funny. He's flat out told by Higsby to eliminate the Dark Chip, and despite having a number of safe ways to remove it (like giving it to SciLab, or Mamoru if he doesn't want people to be suspicious), he just holds on to it because otherwise the "plot" wouldn't flow. And at the end of the game, Lan just listens to Regal's speech without commenting, despite the fact he literally just heard Duo say the same thing and had a counter-argument. Also, while Chaud certainly fell into the moral myopia Regal talked about, Lan and Yuichiro didn't. Yet they just listened to Regal because [=BN4=] Regal is a total VillainSue and *explodes from [=BN4=]-induced frustration*
*** Huh, that actually could plausably add Serenade back into the mix as well if you mix in Mamoru.
*** To be fair, the first two tournaments are happy accidents. The Red Sun and Blue Moon tournaments are ''deliberate attempts'' to find the world's strongest [=NetBattler=] by [=NAXA=].

** 3? I'm guessing the 3rd is [[SpinOff Transmission]]. Well given that 6 shows repeated zaping is a possible punisment in universe for crime, and Zap is (obviously) electricly themed, prehaps he is TooKinkyToTorture and has to serve his sentance the hard way? Meta wise, it is because he is the iconic first boss and has JokerImmunity, Zap is a random baddy.

*** And its possible Lan isn't going on those kinds of sites...wait, porn often has viruses...perhaps they keep unintentionally deleting it all? [[CrowningMomentofFunny and I do like the concept of him actively removing any he finds...]]

*** Dr. Hikari hides a McGuffin in an [[HiddenInPlainSight deceptively simple location]] in his own home? How is that "worse"?

*** In the second game, early on, one of the appliances in your house says that "Your mom already ran a virus scan on it" if you try to jack in too soon...(which is really just to keep you from entering the area before they want you to...but, at least it makes some sense)

** Well, if there's one thing EXE 4-6 (or at least 5-6) did it topped off Lan and Chaud's character development from BN1-3. After Lan's little hero incident in [=BN3=], he's now perfectly fine with never receiving any credit for what he does, and Chaud has significantly mellowed out and realized that, yes, some people are just as good as he. Also, since the original [=MegaMan.EXE=] was a human sould digitalized, [=MegaManX.EXE=] would have to follow suit and somehow be even more advanced, which sounds conceptually impossible (would also mean that Lan would have to lose a son. So yeah). That, and there's Star Force.

** 2. Dr. Hikari was suspicious of Regal from the get go.....good idea. Unfortunately, he seems to forget this until the very end of the game....bad idea. Have him be constantly suspicious, especially when Regal makes small tweaks tot he plan that tend to eliminate failsafes or put Regal in an ideal position to sabotage things. The game had follow both father and son's side of the story, and Dr. Hikari's side was marginalized to the story's detriment. Also, expansion on this subplot would have made the threat more imminent and something of constant concern.

*** Huh, that actually culd plausably add Serenade back into the mix as well if you mix in Mamoru.

* Er wait, if the dark chips reduce your hp permanantly by one every time you use one...how the hell do the netnavis in the dark chip syndacate have so much hp?

* Shouldn't Lan be, well, dead already? In [=BN2=], he gets blasted with radiation. Furthermore, in [=BN5=], Team [=ProtoMan=], [[spoiler:while Nebula tests the microservers]], Raika attacks him. No matter how good Lan is at Netbattling, in the real world he is just a young boy, while Raika is a trained soldier.

* So... Hub died as an infant, right? But then Megaman.exe was made shortly after? Is megaman.exe's personality based off of Hub's (essentially what or who he could have been), or did Lan's dad get the personality data else where?
** I think it's hinted in game that Megaman.exe Grew with Lan, but because he was in the cyberworld then he would be exposed to more information than stimuli, making him the more proper one while Lan is the more reckless one.

** 3. Delete Megaman.

*** Regal didn't really ''have'' a developed plan until the last third of the game. All Lan and Megaman did were bump into a few of his agents, not the organization at large. That's why they had to use so many pointless tournaments as substitute for an actual plot. As for what he wanted to do with Duo; got me.

***** according to another wiki: "Regal's plan was to alert the program Duo of the evil that existed on earth and then stop the program with his Navi, LaserMan, to look like a hero." presumably after that the world would acknowledge him and follow his every whim... [[DudeWheresMyRespect but we see how well that went for Lan]] and he wasn't even PLANNING on saving the world

* I'm willing to ignore a lot of the lack of physical force in the Battle Network series. I'm willing to accept that the adult bad guys don't just punch out the 5/6th grader's lights when they meet face to face, that a demonstration of Chaud's mortality involves killing Protoman in battle rather than shooting Chaud, I'm willing to accept that everything's online. But the tanks in the third game are just too much. I mean, first of all, why tanks? When dealing with the treat of super-hackers, why bring in tanks, tanks which can be controlled remotely through the internet no less, to protect civilian areas? Protect them against what? Other berserk tanks? And second, even more importantly, how could five tanks fail to shoot a 5th grade boy point blank? The first was especially ridiculous, as it riddled the ground at his feet with bullets twice before he ran up to it, plugged in his pet, and presumably stood right next to it helping Megaman until it was deactivated. The others were at least "distracted" by another character, but even if the first two volleys were preprogrammed to be warning shots why the hell did it not make mincemeat out of Lan? As a side note, why was Dex (not Gutsman, Dex) able to hurl a boulder at Bubbleman's robot?
** Keep in mind that Dr. Wiley was the one who designed those tanks. In Megaman Classic, most of Wiley's mooks are really, really easy to take down, and these particular tanks were made right before Dr. Light decided to focus on Internet Technolegy rather than Robots, so Dr. Wiley didn't really have time to make any of the really deadly stuff. As for Dex and the boulder, that could be justified by sheer willpower on Dex's part, and Bubbleman being stupid enough to let that happen to him. But yeah, missing Lan at point blank range? Cuts off the suspension of disbelief.

** On that note, all those viruses? Megaman.EXE? Hub.BAT? It sounds like Tadashi's Net runs solely on Windows.

* At the end of [=BN2=] we have some kind of fruitcake radiation that grows computers and starts mixing the real and cyber worlds of Kotobuki. Alright, I can suspend disbelief on that, it looks really cool and eerie. What really bugs me about it though, is that there was no AdventuresOfCookieAndCream esque team up where Megaman and Lan break that barrier and jump back and forth between their worlds -- Megaman shooting down doors, Lan whacking Metools with a mop, etc. Just seems like the perfect opportunity for FishOutOfWater is all.

** Iris origins are meant to mirror her [[MegaManX original]]: scientists tried to create the perfect fighting Reploid, half strong-willed fighter, half peaceful arbiter, but the two halves could not successfully be brought together, and so they remained separate, becoming brother and sister. Wily just happens to be a ''better scientist'' than the Repliforce can afford, so he could successfully combine the two halves. You could compare him reversing the process to the development of identical twins from a single being (remember: Navis are digital, not analog, so their personalities and identities can be more manipulable... but that's [[WhatMeasureIsANonHuman its own ball of wax]]).

** Well, if there's one thing EXE 4-6 (or at least 5-6) did it topped off Lan and Chaud's character development from BN1-3. After Lan's little hero incident in [=BN3=], he's now perfectly fine with never receiving any credit for what he does, and Chaud has significantly mellowed out and realized that, yes, some people are just as good as he. Also, since the original Megaman.exe was a human sould digitalized, MegamanX.exe would have to follow suit and somehow be even more advanced, which sounds conceptually impossible (would also mean that Lan would have to lose a son. So yeah). That, and there's Star Force.

** Maybe Protoman.EXE has a hacked customizer and thus more space for programs? Or maybe anything else, for all we know they know how to operate together instead of merely giving/getting instructions, which places them above over 99% players.

** I haven't watched the anime, but as far as the game is concerned, I would say that either (1) the chip data takes on the portrait of the user, like Megaman, or (2) the portrait is just something like a generic Normal Navi (which is the case in some chips) and we the player just see it as Megaman instead.
** Yes, Megaman.EXE has a battle chip of his own. It's called "Hub Batch" and it is a giga-class chip in the 6th game.

** Of course they seem odd. Their seeming unfittingness really a point in their favor, since most people pass by them, unconcerned. The problem arises in that Wily happens to know ''exactly'' where to look (and that's still entirely justifiable, given how intimate Wily is related with the history of the game's world). For example, if Wily knew that Dr. Hikari has hidden the Fire program somewhere in his house, it would be more fitting than the plan he and Match build around the fact that it's hidden in the oven.

* So, what exactly does being an Operator entail? It can't be just slotting in chips. In the games, it's made clear some operators let their navis battle alone (Viddy Narcy) and that Lan is a superior operator (in 5, Baryl even tells him to operate Colonel because he's that good).

* Am I the only one who thought BN4's plot could have worked, it just needed to have some more competent writing and be as dark as BN5 in tone? Seriously, the anime actually succeeded at making Nebula seem like a credible threat (yes, the anime had its problems, but it did pull that off), and the whole tournament to find someone who could access Duo as a backup plan wasn't THAT idiotic, but the story writing was so crap it took technically plausible plot twists and jacked things up to be implausible. Below is a small list of things that would have saved the plot (or at least made it more credible):

*** Personally, I don't think even those tweaks could save Battle Network 4's story. First off, the entire "main" story is that NAXA is trying to save the world from an asteroid in quite possibly ''the'' most incompetent way ever. The Earth is in danger? Instead of spreading the word to all the higher ups in charge, let's just contact three famous scientists, one of which known to specialize in a field that is most certainly not space. And the tournaments actually were just a "happy coincidence"; when Yuichiro's plan failed (which really shouldn't have happened had there actually have been security, but like I said, NAXA is incompetent) Regal asked for a strong Net Battler, so the Boss of NAXA just went and picked up the champion of the Version Tournament. The only other thing I should point out is how Lan bounced in and out of character and intelligence throughout the game. With the tournament scenarios, that's not odd, those are just fucked up in general. But in the actual story elements, Lan proves to be so idiotic it isn't even funny. He's flat out told by Higsby to eliminate the Dark Chip, and despite having a number of safe ways to remove it (like giving it to SciLab, or Mamoru if he doesn't want people to be suspicious), he just holds on to it because otherwise the "plot" wouldn't flow. And at the end of the game, Lan just listens to Regal's speech without commenting, despite the fact he literally just heard Duo say the same thing and had a counter-argument. Also, while Chaud certainly fell into the moral myopia Regal talked about, Lan and Yuichiro didn't. Yet they just listened to Regal because BN4 Regal is a total VillainSue and *explodes from BN4 induced frustration*

** Well, if there's one thing EXE 4-6 (or at least 5-6) did it topped off Lan and Chaud's character development from BN1-3. After Lan's little hero incident in BN3, he's now perfectly fine with never receiving any credit for what he does, and Chaud has significantly mellowed out and realized that, yes, some people are just as good as he. Also, since the original Megaman.exe was a human sould digitalized, MegamanX.exe would have to follow suit and somehow be even more advanced, which sounds conceptually impossible (would also mean that Lan would have to lose a son. So yeah). That, and there's Star Force.

*** The reason he doesn't just do the same thing as he did in the tank is simple: ''[[CriticalResearchFailure He does.]]''[[hottip:*: The area where you fight him has random encounters with stronger versions of the ???? virus from the tank.]]

* How do you get Battle Chips from viruses, mystery data and Higsby's service order? They're actual physical chips. It's not like they can magically materialize on top of whatever device you're currently jacked in to, right?