History Headscratchers / MarbleHornets

18th Jan '18 11:10:39 AM PriceCheck
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* The fact that J thought going to the house at night was a good idea in the first place. Sure, it makes sense in Movie Logic Land, where it's 20 times scarier to be there at night, but thinking as a real person, would YOU go to someone's house at night when something's stalking him/possibly you?

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* The fact that J thought Why did Jay think going to the house at night was a good idea in the first place. place? Sure, it makes sense in Movie Logic Land, where it's 20 times scarier to be there at night, but thinking as a real person, would YOU go to someone's house at night when something's stalking him/possibly you?



** Because she specifically mentioned that his name sounded familiar, and he's never given his full name in an entry?

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** Because she specifically mentioned that his name sounded familiar, and he's never given his full name in an entry?entry.



* Why are we supposed to be afraid of Slendy? Apart from looking creepy and occasionally appearing in places he's not supposed to be, he hasn't done anything bad. How do we know he's not actually [[EpilepticTrees Alex's guardian angel who's just really bad at his job?]]
** Well, if you go by the rest of the mythos, there is that little issue with the long history of gruesome murders and MindRape. Outside of that context, though? Yeah, mostly just that he's really freaking creepy, since [[NothingIsScarier he doesn't do much on-camera]].
** Thinking about it, having someone - even a normal human - stalking you and randomly appearing to stare at you from a distance would be pretty scary in RealLife.
** Fear and paranoia are sometimes cited as side-effects of Slendy's presence. There may well not be any real reason for it.
** That's completely skipping over Entry #11, where he sneaks into Alex's room and leaves him bloody, or the fact that he makes you physically sick, induces amnesia, can make you his puppet slave, and turns houses into [[EldritchLocation Eldritch Locations]]. That and the pools of blood we keep on seeing everywhere...
** Entry #49 full stop.
*** Actually, it's implied that The Operator has killed at least two people. [[spoiler: Seth in #22 and Brian in #51.]] He also seems to "eat" people. However, it would appear he's just randomly creepy and uncanny.How does it feel to be watched everywhere you go while you are almost completely oblivious?
** From what I can tell: Slendy doesn't ever do anything on camera, sure. But that time Jay attacked him? He woke up with ''no memory of the past 7 months''. We don't SEE what Slendy does, and that's the scary thing - we have no idea '''what''' he does, and it's obvious he's doing ''something''.
* The scene with the hand at the door in entry 33, it is utterly scary, I am not saying it isn't... but even so, It just me who felt as a "cheap" and obvious way to cause terror? It happens exactly when the camera is facing the door (reminding us that this is a scripted story). Plus what is the point of doing so?
** In the scene in question, Jay seemed to have purposefully put the camera down to keep filming himself, as he's clearly shown to do at many other points in the series (Note how he looks at it as he's putting it down). The "just at the right time" thing isn't much different from many of the other scares in the series, Entry #27 in particular is full of them.
** The scene is actually scary if you consider the totheark videos telling Jay that he is losing control.
** It gets scarier if you consider that Jay just happened to get lucky getting the hand in the frame. Just think how much action must happen out of frame. I think the scariest part about when Alex films himself constantly is that it's simply impossible to cover every single angle with one camera. How many hands were not recorded by the cameras?



* Is it just this troper, or does the fact that [[spoiler: Tim]] survived somewhat ruined the impact in Entry 35?
** No, because [[spoiler: it confirmed that he is in fact Tim, explains the limp in his attack at the hotel, and establishes that Alex got pretty violent since the last time he and Jay met.]]
* I've rewatched Entry [[spoiler:15]] at least ten times by now, and I just can't see it. I mean, the fact that [[spoiler:Masky is Tim]] was pretty much EverybodyKnewAlready, but...I just can't detect anything. No hint of being totally batshit insane, no sense that there's anything more to this guy and his role in the plot. I don't know why I'm dwelling on this, but I can't help but feel like there had to have been ''some'' clue to tip us off, even if it can only be seen in hindsight, and there's just...nothing. It's so jarring, and I'm sure that was the point...but still. Something just feels off about it all.
** Can't remember exactly, but there have definitely been clues regarding something being off about him. He starts freaking out when J mentions Marble Hornets, he displays the ominous cough & feeling of coldness (aka some degree of Operator influence) and is shown to be taking some pills that later ended up in the house where Masky was. If anything, I'd complain that revealing that Masky was actually [[spoiler:in-universe Tim]] as opposed to just being portrayed by the same actor was a bit predictable and took a bit away from the sense of mystery regarding the masked figure, but it's only been one entry and I'll retract all my complaints if they use Insane/Possessed/Whatever [[spoiler:Tim]] as Mr.Exposition who'll expand(or really, establish) the mythos.
*** Most of that was in the tapes, though. I mean, I can believe that there was something going on with him, but the coughing and all that, that was years ago. I'm focusing mostly on [[spoiler:#15]], the only time we see him (as himself) in the "present", and as hard as I try I just can't pick up any nervousness or tell he's hiding something. Maybe it's just me, I guess.
**** Well, to be fair, we don't really see his face much. Besides, if everything was TOO off and we noticed and Jay didn't, then it might lead to fandom to conclude that he's an idiot.
*** I figured the operator was influencing or right out mind-controlling Tim as Masky, with Tim having no recollection of it. For all we know, he might have been doing something similar to Jay in parts of the 7 months jay can't recall. Maybe other times to Alex may have grown immune, or at least aware of the fact that the operator is capable of taking control of him.
*** I'd suggest having another look. Tim's a little fidget-y throughout the interview, but this goes into overdrive when Jay asks him about any on-set troubles and if he remembers "a guy in a business suit" hanging around. Soon after, he ends the interview. This troper always thought this was a sign Tim was a little more uncomfortable with that line of questioning than he wanted Jay to know.
*** Well there were those sideburns... Those were a pretty good clue along with the same jacket as Masky had in Entry #18. He also had the same pills.



** Actually, I had the opposite JustBugsMe: he should have trusted her ''more''. In the situation he's in, he's going to have to take ''some'' risks if he doesn't want to just keep running. Besides, whoever (or whatever) he's running from can already track him down no matter how much he runs, so them knowing his full name isn't going to make much difference.

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** Actually, I had the opposite JustBugsMe: Headscratcher: why didn't he should have trusted trust her ''more''. ''more''? In the situation he's in, he's going to have to take ''some'' risks if he doesn't want to just keep running. Besides, whoever (or whatever) he's running from can already track him down no matter how much he runs, so them knowing his full name isn't going to make much difference.



* Having credits at the end of the first "season". Sure, we know it's fiction [[ParanoiaFuel (or do we???)]], but they could have at least not fucked with the immersion until after the series was over.
** Its not on the main account, anyway. You can easily avoid the credits if you so desire.
** Sometimes, you just have to give in. People were complaining that there were no updates and thought that the ARG was dead. Look at what happened Blog/JustAnotherFool having NoEnding. As the troper above said, at least it was on a different channel.
** Troy has stated that that original plan was for the series to only last for one season. So the end of the first season was originally supposed to be the ''final'' ending, with the credits signifying that the viewer's experience (in the "Game" as it were) is over as well.
*** Then again, there ''is'' [[TheEndOrIsIt tearing in the credits....]]



* In Entry #33, Masky gives Jay a pretty wimpy slap. I'm not sure how seriously I can take him after that... Their previous scuffle at Alex's old house was pretty intense, but that slap... Creepy as Hell, yeah I can give him that. Something to be afraid of? after wimpy slap? I don't know...
** There's a bit of debate on who hit who. To me, it looks like Jay might've smacked him one with the flashlight.
** I can see the flashlight hit for sure. and remember Masky was going with only one good leg. Call it a try for grabbing him on the way down instead of a slap.
** That mask by itself is enough to give this troper chills! *shudder*



* So, Entry #40. Jay is sitting around in a parking lot, waiting for Alex, who is late. Okay. He calls Alex's cell phone; he doesn't pick up. Okay. So, [[IdiotBall naturally]], he decides to ''go for a walk in the freaky woods''. '''''What?''''' That'd be a dumb idea even if it wasn't for our skinny friend; with Slendy in the equation, I can't help but wonder if Jay was ''high''.
** If Intermission is to be believed, Totheark baited him to do it.



* Here's a meta-headscratcher. Why do people insist on getting every question, plot twist and ambiguity spelled out for them here? It's a JigsawPuzzlePlot, answers don't get spelled out instantly.
** Because it's fun?
** Because people are selfish and lazy and don't like mystery since their brains aren't strong enough to handle a complex plot like this one.
** Because humans have a primal fear of that which refuses to be categorized and understandable. (This fear is slightly lessened when we can all come together and try to make some sense of it. Though that tends to make the paranoia worse in the long run ...)
** The same reason for all Headscratchers: it gives you perspectives you wouldn't normally consider. Personally, I didn't even know Slendy was called the Operator in this series til I came here. It's not gonna take much mystery out of things (other tropers don't have all the answers), so mostly it's just about catching up on things you may have missed, or trying to figure out little things that don't (seem to) make sense.



* The season finale of Season 2, Entry #52, doesn't explain or even address the "noentry" video from Entry #29, explaining everything else but leaving a glaring PlotHole there. Actually, there are a few more with this entry.

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* The Some questions for the season finale of Season 2, Entry #52, doesn't explain or even address the "noentry" video from Entry #29, explaining everything else but leaving a glaring PlotHole there. Actually, there are a few more with this entry.#52:



** [[spoiler:How did the noentry footage get onto his laptop? Even if it happened while he was unconsious, it seems incredibly improbable. There is evidence that there has been a lot of meddling involved, how did Jay not notice it?]]

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** [[spoiler:How did the noentry footage get onto his laptop? Even if it happened while he was unconsious, unconscious, it seems incredibly improbable. There is evidence that there has been a lot of meddling involved, how did Jay not notice it?]]



*** So they left some questions for next season. I don't see the problem with that.
**** There's a difference between questions and {{Plot Hole}}s.
***** Except for the typos, though, these don't seem like actual errors. Totheark managed to hack Jay's Website/YouTube account for enttry 37, I don't think someone uploading footage to his laptop is that big a stretch. The hard drive and Jessica's safe are probably hooks for the next season. Likely one of the Maskies replaced the tapes in the safe, strapped the camera on Jay, and started up the camera--neither of them appear to be on Alex's side, and they might not be completely hostile to Jay.
****** It wasn't that they didn't solve "noentry", [[WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief I can't expect that out of]] [[MindScrew a series like this]], it's that they didn't even acknowledge it. If there simply was a slide that said "I still don't know where 'noentry' came from", everything would've been fine, and we'd know that Troy/Jay hadn't forgotten about it completely.

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*** So they left some questions for next season. I don't see the problem with that.
**** There's a difference between questions and {{Plot Hole}}s.
***** Except for the typos, though, these don't seem like actual errors.
Totheark managed to hack Jay's Website/YouTube account for enttry 37, I don't think someone uploading footage to his laptop is that big a stretch. The hard drive and Jessica's safe are probably hooks for the next season. Likely one of the Maskies replaced the tapes in the safe, strapped the camera on Jay, and started up the camera--neither of them appear to be on Alex's side, and they might not be completely hostile to Jay.
****** It wasn't that they didn't solve "noentry", [[WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief I can't expect that out of]] [[MindScrew a series like this]], it's that they didn't even acknowledge it. If there simply was a slide that said "I still don't know where 'noentry' came from", everything would've been fine, and we'd know that Troy/Jay hadn't forgotten about it completely.
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* So...does this sum up the series? [[spoiler: So the Operator was tied to/'infected' Tim from childhood for...some reason, then he went away for a while, then Tim auditioned for Marble Hornets, which for some reason woke the Operator back up, who then started stalking the crew, which drove Alex nuts and made him destroy the tapes, except he gave a bunch of them to Jay for some reason, which drew him into this mess, and then there was a whole big mess with Jay and the Marble Hornets crew and the Operator screwing with all sorts of stuff, and when it was all over most of them were dead and there was no purpose behind anything beyond 'This crazy entity be mean, yo'?]] Because even with the whole 'true horror means not knowing every detail' factor, that's kind of lame.
** Don't forget, the guys still have an upcoming movie planned out.
2nd Jan '16 10:36:20 AM nombretomado
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** There are several differences between the original Slender Man & the Operator from Marble Hornets. The version of Slender Man from the SomethingAwful forums (where the concept/character was created) had tentacles, a face that was supposedly different for each viewer, a growing cult surrounding him/it, a draw towards water/fire/children, & a history of rearranging people's organs. The Operator has no face/fingers, teleports off-camera, messes up people's memories, & does a lot of standing around. While the Operator is clearly inspired by the original Slender Man, they are effectively two different characters. A lot of the confusion stems from the fact that the Operator's "name" wasn't revealed until the series was well under way, coupled with the relative obscurity of the original Slender Man meme. Marble Hornets largely popularized the meme, even though the Operator only superficially resembles the root idea.

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** There are several differences between the original Slender Man & the Operator from Marble Hornets. The version of Slender Man from the SomethingAwful Website/SomethingAwful forums (where the concept/character was created) had tentacles, a face that was supposedly different for each viewer, a growing cult surrounding him/it, a draw towards water/fire/children, & a history of rearranging people's organs. The Operator has no face/fingers, teleports off-camera, messes up people's memories, & does a lot of standing around. While the Operator is clearly inspired by the original Slender Man, they are effectively two different characters. A lot of the confusion stems from the fact that the Operator's "name" wasn't revealed until the series was well under way, coupled with the relative obscurity of the original Slender Man meme. Marble Hornets largely popularized the meme, even though the Operator only superficially resembles the root idea.
7th Jul '15 7:11:20 PM nombretomado
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* Why have the creators of this not been hired by a movie or TV studio? This series is much better than the majority of "found footage" films that come out in theaters, and certainly better than many of the {{Lost}} clones populating TV. Obviously the format would have to change once it moved off a web medium, but still. The talent!

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* Why have the creators of this not been hired by a movie or TV studio? This series is much better than the majority of "found footage" films that come out in theaters, and certainly better than many of the {{Lost}} ''Series/{{Lost}}'' clones populating TV. Obviously the format would have to change once it moved off a web medium, but still. The talent!
6th Feb '15 6:05:08 PM Leetroper
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*** Actually, it's implied that Slenderman has killed at least two people. [[spoiler: Seth in #22 and Brian in #51.]] He also seems to "eat" people.However, it would appear he's just randomly creepy and uncanny.How does it feel to be watched everywhere you go while you are almost completely oblivious?

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*** Actually, it's implied that Slenderman The Operator has killed at least two people. [[spoiler: Seth in #22 and Brian in #51.]] He also seems to "eat" people. However, it would appear he's just randomly creepy and uncanny.How does it feel to be watched everywhere you go while you are almost completely oblivious?



** Can't remember exactly, but there have definitely been clues regarding something being off about him. He starts freaking out when J mentions Marble Hornets, he displays the ominous cough & feeling of coldness(aka some degree of Slenderman influence) and is shown to be taking some pills that later ended up in the house where Masky was. If anything, I'd complain that revealing that Masky was actually [[spoiler:in-universe Tim]] as opposed to just being portrayed by the same actor was a bit predictable and took a bit away from the sense of mystery regarding the masked figure, but it's only been one entry and I'll retract all my complaints if they use Insane/Possessed/Whatever [[spoiler:Tim]] as Mr.Exposition who'll expand(or really, establish) the mythos.

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** Can't remember exactly, but there have definitely been clues regarding something being off about him. He starts freaking out when J mentions Marble Hornets, he displays the ominous cough & feeling of coldness(aka coldness (aka some degree of Slenderman Operator influence) and is shown to be taking some pills that later ended up in the house where Masky was. If anything, I'd complain that revealing that Masky was actually [[spoiler:in-universe Tim]] as opposed to just being portrayed by the same actor was a bit predictable and took a bit away from the sense of mystery regarding the masked figure, but it's only been one entry and I'll retract all my complaints if they use Insane/Possessed/Whatever [[spoiler:Tim]] as Mr.Exposition who'll expand(or really, establish) the mythos.



** There is indeed a movie in production.



* Do I have to watch other Slender mythology series in order to understand this one?
** Nope, it's pretty much stand-alone. I don't know if it's supposed to be in the same "continuity" as other Slender works.

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* Do I have to watch other Slender Man mythology series in order to understand this one?
** Nope, it's pretty much stand-alone. I don't know if it's supposed to be in the same "continuity" as other Slender Man works.


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** In fact, this series would probably be the very best place to start the mythology, since it introduces a lot of concepts that are the groundwork for later works.
6th Feb '15 6:01:41 PM Leetroper
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** It's probably supposed to be Slender's backstory, based off the original creepypasta in the Something Awful forums.

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** It's probably supposed to be Slender's The Operator's backstory, based off the original creepypasta in the Something Awful forums. forums.
** That story does have similarities to some of the old Slender Man stuff, but it doesn't match up with any of it in particular. I think it's just there to suggest the idea of legends with The Operator's motifs, implying he could have been around for a long time. Or a RedHerring meant to confuse people looking for concrete backstory.


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** Other works related to the Slender Man mythos actually explored this further, by implying that he causes people he's following to compulsively want to keep a record of him. It's not implausible that this could apply to Marble Hornets too.
31st Jan '15 11:42:50 PM Sarjinn
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** [[spoiler: Alex watches the entries too. It's likely that he came up with the "source" idea after watching Entry 60.5 and realizing that it was Tim who was initially showing signs of being influenced by The Operator. He states in Entry #85 that he initially thought he himself was the cause of The Operator appearing - which might have just been the only thing he could come up with, given there wouldn't have been much to tell him otherwise - so after seeing Entry #60.5, deciding that Tim was "the source" isn't much of a jump. And Alex probably isn't all that lucid and rational at that point to begin with.]]
31st Jan '15 11:39:22 PM Sarjinn
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* I don't understand why so much of the plot of season three revolved around [[spoiler: stealing Tim's pills. He was glad to help Jay get a prescription of his own, so presumably it's not some kind of very controlled medication that doctors will be hesitant to prescribe. It seems like it would have saved everyone a lot of trouble.]]

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* I don't understand why so much of the plot of season three revolved around [[spoiler: stealing Tim's pills. He was glad to help Jay get a prescription of his own, so presumably it's not some kind of very controlled medication that doctors will be hesitant to prescribe. It seems like it would have saved everyone a lot of trouble.]]
**Presumably this was to show us [[spoiler: how unhinged totheark had become. Later entries have Tim describing totheark/Hoody as a "shell of a person," implying that totheark doesn't really think along rational lines and is somewhat feral. Also, when Tim suggests that Jay get his own prescription, he seems to mean it in the context of Jay having to constantly visit the doctor, as evidenced by him saying that Jay needs to "get help." This doesn't seem like something totheark/Hoody would be willing to do. Plus it seems that to some extent totheark/Hoody just enjoys torturing both Jay and Tim, even if he is at times "helping" them.
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24th Jan '15 10:45:39 AM Asarelah
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** The crew said during panel interviews that Jay might have a trust fund, or be using [[BoringButPractical Student loans.]]

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** The crew said during panel interviews that Jay might have a trust fund, or he might be using [[BoringButPractical Student student loans.]]
24th Jan '15 10:45:00 AM Asarelah
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** Or, you know... [[BoringButPractical Student loans.]]


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** The crew said during panel interviews that Jay might have a trust fund, or be using [[BoringButPractical Student loans.]]
16th Jan '15 9:46:56 PM Mesmiranda
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** It's probably supposed to be Slender's backstory, based off the original creepypasta in the Something Awful forums.


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** Don't forget, the guys still have an upcoming movie planned out.
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