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* When casting the curse, Maleficent specifies that Aurora will prick her finger on the spindle of a spinning wheel after spotting one nearby, explaining her odd choice of "weapon"...What isn't explained is why a spinning wheel is kept in the throne room to begin with.
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* When casting the curse, Maleficent specifies that Aurora will prick her finger on the spindle of a spinning wheel after spotting one nearby, explaining her odd choice of "weapon"...What isn't explained is why a spinning wheel is kept in the throne room to begin with.with.
** It was a gift for the princess. It was lumped with a bunch of other gifts.
** It was a gift for the princess. It was lumped with a bunch of other gifts.
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** Or they could [[StatingTheSimpleSolution cut off Aurora's fingers]]. Just saying.
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** It's essentially a RedHerring contingent on knowing the original story.
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*** No, it's not how it happened in the animated film. There, Maleficent cursed the princess to die, and the (interrupted) last fairy softened it into sleep woken by TrueLovesKiss. Same happens in the versions by Perrault and Grimm (except with more fairies).
** It's essentially a RedHerring contingent on knowing the originalstory.story.
* When casting the curse, Maleficent specifies that Aurora will prick her finger on the spindle of a spinning wheel after spotting one nearby, explaining her odd choice of "weapon"...What isn't explained is why a spinning wheel is kept in the throne room to begin with.
** It's essentially a RedHerring contingent on knowing the original
* When casting the curse, Maleficent specifies that Aurora will prick her finger on the spindle of a spinning wheel after spotting one nearby, explaining her odd choice of "weapon"...What isn't explained is why a spinning wheel is kept in the throne room to begin with.
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** Bare in mind that Stefan isn't concerned with peace, just power. He knows, if nothing else, that returning her wings would make her more powerful. Besides, returning her wings would have to be only the start of a peace offering - the wound was not only physical, it was the betrayal of trust and love. More over, it's unlikely he would even allow such an action - Stefan rose to power on the back (no pun intended) of the 'conquering' of the fairies and he likely has many around him who felt just as justified in their hatred. Brokering peace by being the first to act would likely be a rather unpopular opinion among the nobles whose favor he cares about.
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** Bare in mind that Stefan isn't concerned with peace, just power. He knows, if nothing else, that returning her wings would make her more powerful. Besides, returning her wings would have to be only the start of a peace offering - the wound was not only physical, it was the betrayal of trust and love. And it wasn't even a justified betrayal - it was done purely for his own selfish reasons. More over, it's unlikely he would even allow such an action - Stefan rose to power on the back (no pun intended) of the 'conquering' of the fairies and he likely has many around him who felt just as justified in their hatred. Brokering peace by being the first to act would likely be a rather unpopular opinion among the nobles whose favor he cares about.
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** Because that's how it happens in the animated film. And, honestly, if you weren't expecting it to happen because of the animated film, I don't think it really does suggest the third gift will do anything significant. She's interrupted dramatically, and that's good enough.
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** Because that's how it happens in the animated film. And, honestly, if you weren't expecting it to happen because of the animated film, I don't think it really does suggest the third gift will do anything significant. She's interrupted dramatically, and that's good enough.enough.
** It's essentially a RedHerring contingent on knowing the original story.
** It's essentially a RedHerring contingent on knowing the original story.
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** Because he wasn't the only one to hate the fairies. At least some of his nobles do so as well. She showing up was probably less of a "He fooled us! Let's make amends!" and more of a "Dirty fairy magic! Let's finish her off!"
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** Bare in mind that Stefan isn't concerned with peace, just power. He knows, if nothing else, that returning her wings would make her more powerful. Besides, returning her wings would have to be only the start of a peace offering - the wound was not only physical, it was the betrayal of trust and love. More over, it's unlikely he would even allow such an action - Stefan rose to power on the back (no pun intended) of the 'conquering' of the fairies and he likely has many around him who felt just as justified in their hatred. Brokering peace by being the first to act would likely be a rather unpopular opinion among the nobles whose favor he cares about.
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** It's possible that her trickster nature was part of the reason it was given. Another part (granted after the fact) may have been the fact that she is and was effectively their war queen. In this sense, she does evil (go to war, kill other beings) but it's a necessary task for a race of normally benevolent people.
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** Those that remained loyal to Stefan or, at the least, to his mad ways. With such maddening hatred, it would be very easy to distort the events in ones own mind as Maleficent corrupting Aurora, driving Stefan to his death, and becoming an evil influence behind the throne. The sleeping aspect might have been re-interpreted as Aurora blind to Maleficent's influence until Philip opens her eyes to her evil. Things like that.
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** Also, locking her up in a castle is pretty much the start to any other fairy tale story. More over, the whole point of the curse is that no power could prevent it from happening. As in this movie and in most fairy tales, this means that any precautions will usually get circumvented by - if all else isn't possible - DeusExMachina which will force the issue. Lastly, one of the major points of the story is that tragedy can be averted not by stubbornness, blind pride and arrogance, brute force methods, and denial of responsibility but by MENDING wounds and peaceful methods - the best and most practical method of stopping the curse would have been simply to tell Aurora and allow her to live her life, free and pure, so that she could find love. And as shown in this movie, that love included all forms - including parental. So something as simple as Stefan LOVING his daughter would have broken the curse at the right time. Or even him tending to Leila so that she could do that if he could not.
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* The movie clearly shows that Maleficent interrupted when the third fairy was just about to bestow her gift on Aurora, suggesting that this is the fairy who will soften the curse, like previous versions of the tale. Except...she doesn't. The third fairy apparently never gets around to giving a gift at all. Why make the interruption so prominent if nothing is ever going to come of it?
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* The movie clearly shows that Maleficent interrupted when the third fairy was just about to bestow her gift on Aurora, suggesting that this is the fairy who will soften the curse, like previous versions of the tale. Except...she doesn't. The third fairy apparently never gets around to giving a gift at all. Why make the interruption so prominent if nothing is ever going to come of it?it?
** Because that's how it happens in the animated film. And, honestly, if you weren't expecting it to happen because of the animated film, I don't think it really does suggest the third gift will do anything significant. She's interrupted dramatically, and that's good enough.
** Because that's how it happens in the animated film. And, honestly, if you weren't expecting it to happen because of the animated film, I don't think it really does suggest the third gift will do anything significant. She's interrupted dramatically, and that's good enough.
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*** Well, they could offer his head to the vengeful fey that walked in and set up a regency council for the legitimate daughter....
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*** Well, they could offer his head to the vengeful fey that walked in and set up a regency council for the legitimate daughter....daughter....
* The movie clearly shows that Maleficent interrupted when the third fairy was just about to bestow her gift on Aurora, suggesting that this is the fairy who will soften the curse, like previous versions of the tale. Except...she doesn't. The third fairy apparently never gets around to giving a gift at all. Why make the interruption so prominent if nothing is ever going to come of it?
* The movie clearly shows that Maleficent interrupted when the third fairy was just about to bestow her gift on Aurora, suggesting that this is the fairy who will soften the curse, like previous versions of the tale. Except...she doesn't. The third fairy apparently never gets around to giving a gift at all. Why make the interruption so prominent if nothing is ever going to come of it?
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*** That explains why making the hand-off himself is not a bad idea. Kings have minions for this sort of thing, and how much more angry[=/=]violent can she get?
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*** That explains why making the hand-off himself ''himself'' is not a bad idea. Kings However kings have minions for this sort of thing, and how much more angry[=/=]violent can she get?
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** He was king. What were they supposed to do? He was named heir, that was that. Hell, by then he'd even had a legitimate daughter by the queen.
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** He was king. What were they supposed to do? He was named heir, that was that. Hell, by then he'd even had a legitimate daughter by the queen.queen.
*** Well, they could offer his head to the vengeful fey that walked in and set up a regency council for the legitimate daughter....
*** Well, they could offer his head to the vengeful fey that walked in and set up a regency council for the legitimate daughter....
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*** That explains why making the hand-off himself is not a bad idea. Kings have minions for this sort of thing, and how much more angry[=/=]violent can she get?
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*** "Maleficent" is an actual word, though. It doesn't just sound as if it means something bad, it does.
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** Well maybe they didn't know it was her? Maleficent was identified by her wings and she doesn't have them when she arrives in the castle. Alternately it's still quite impressive to have cut off the fairy queen's wings and render her severely weakened.
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** Well maybe they didn't know it was her? Maleficent was identified by her wings and she doesn't have them when she arrives in the castle. Alternately it's still quite impressive to have cut off the fairy queen's wings and render her severely weakened.weakened.
** He was king. What were they supposed to do? He was named heir, that was that. Hell, by then he'd even had a legitimate daughter by the queen.
** He was king. What were they supposed to do? He was named heir, that was that. Hell, by then he'd even had a legitimate daughter by the queen.
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** He was probably afraid she would kill him. He might have been paranoid that Maleficent would be even more insulted by him trying to give her back the wings he cut off.
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* If Stefan became king by making it look like he killed Maleficent, how come no one called him out on it when she shows up again?
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** It sounds a little like 'magnificent'.
* If Stefan became king by making it look like he killed Maleficent, how come no one called him out on it when she shows upagain?again?
** Well maybe they didn't know it was her? Maleficent was identified by her wings and she doesn't have them when she arrives in the castle. Alternately it's still quite impressive to have cut off the fairy queen's wings and render her severely weakened.
* If Stefan became king by making it look like he killed Maleficent, how come no one called him out on it when she shows up
** Well maybe they didn't know it was her? Maleficent was identified by her wings and she doesn't have them when she arrives in the castle. Alternately it's still quite impressive to have cut off the fairy queen's wings and render her severely weakened.
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* Why would a benevolent being be named Maleficent? Weird that the peaceful Moors would give a name meaning "evildoer".
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* Why would a benevolent being be named Maleficent? Weird that the peaceful Moors would give a name meaning "evildoer"."evildoer".
* If Stefan became king by making it look like he killed Maleficent, how come no one called him out on it when she shows up again?
* If Stefan became king by making it look like he killed Maleficent, how come no one called him out on it when she shows up again?
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* On a related note, Stefan probably noticed his 'trophy' was not drying out or rotting as normal wings would... so once his father in law keels over why not try to, if he cannot bring himself to return them personally, at least have them smuggle them back to the edge of the Moors? He knows Maleficent is alive, has serious magical power, and enjoyed flight; so such a peace offering would at least blunt her revenge even if she could not reattach them.
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* On a related note, Stefan probably noticed his 'trophy' was not drying out or rotting as normal wings would... so once his father in law keels over why not try to, if he cannot bring himself to return them personally, at least have them smuggle them back to the edge of the Moors? He knows Maleficent is alive, has serious magical power, and enjoyed flight; so such a peace offering would at least blunt her revenge even if she could not reattach them.them.
* Why would a benevolent being be named Maleficent? Weird that the peaceful Moors would give a name meaning "evildoer".
* Why would a benevolent being be named Maleficent? Weird that the peaceful Moors would give a name meaning "evildoer".
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** He felt it was. Most people feel it's better to be crippled and alive than dead, anyway. Especially with magic powers.
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** He felt it was. Most people feel it's better to be crippled and alive than dead, anyway. Especially with magic powers.powers.
* On a related note, Stefan probably noticed his 'trophy' was not drying out or rotting as normal wings would... so once his father in law keels over why not try to, if he cannot bring himself to return them personally, at least have them smuggle them back to the edge of the Moors? He knows Maleficent is alive, has serious magical power, and enjoyed flight; so such a peace offering would at least blunt her revenge even if she could not reattach them.
* On a related note, Stefan probably noticed his 'trophy' was not drying out or rotting as normal wings would... so once his father in law keels over why not try to, if he cannot bring himself to return them personally, at least have them smuggle them back to the edge of the Moors? He knows Maleficent is alive, has serious magical power, and enjoyed flight; so such a peace offering would at least blunt her revenge even if she could not reattach them.
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* Okay, so Stefan can't bring himself to kill and decapitate Maleficent because he loves her, or something. And yet, horribly maiming her by cutting off her wings, leaving her alive to suffer, is somehow better?
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* Okay, so Stefan can't bring himself to kill and decapitate Maleficent because he loves her, or something. And yet, horribly maiming her by cutting off her wings, leaving her alive to suffer, is somehow better?better?
** He felt it was. Most people feel it's better to be crippled and alive than dead, anyway. Especially with magic powers.
** He felt it was. Most people feel it's better to be crippled and alive than dead, anyway. Especially with magic powers.
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** Disney.
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** Disney.Disney.
* Okay, so Stefan can't bring himself to kill and decapitate Maleficent because he loves her, or something. And yet, horribly maiming her by cutting off her wings, leaving her alive to suffer, is somehow better?
* Okay, so Stefan can't bring himself to kill and decapitate Maleficent because he loves her, or something. And yet, horribly maiming her by cutting off her wings, leaving her alive to suffer, is somehow better?
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**** Exactly, they knew it wasn't going to be that easy to stop Maleficent, which is why all the extra precaustions were taken. The fact that those weren't enough justifies that they weren't over-reacting.
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*** If you look they're all burnt and broken. Nothing counts as a spinning wheel or a spindle until the magic repairs one.
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** It could have simply been altered for the more pleasing rendition--a prince's kiss of true romantic love is more appealing than a witch's kiss of true motherly love. An evil sorceress slain and punished sounds better than an evil (human) king slain by a redeemed (fairy) sorceress.
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** It could have simply been altered for the more pleasing rendition--a prince's kiss of true romantic love is more appealing than a witch's kiss of true motherly love. An evil sorceress slain and punished sounds better than an evil (human) king slain by a redeemed (fairy) sorceress.sorceress.
** Disney.
** Disney.
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** Flittle, Thistlewit, and Knotgrass?
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** Flittle, Thistlewit, and Knotgrass?Knotgrass?
** It could have simply been altered for the more pleasing rendition--a prince's kiss of true romantic love is more appealing than a witch's kiss of true motherly love. An evil sorceress slain and punished sounds better than an evil (human) king slain by a redeemed (fairy) sorceress.
** It could have simply been altered for the more pleasing rendition--a prince's kiss of true romantic love is more appealing than a witch's kiss of true motherly love. An evil sorceress slain and punished sounds better than an evil (human) king slain by a redeemed (fairy) sorceress.
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* So, according to the voice-over, this is the story as we've never been told or some such, implying the 'original' Disney movie is the current accepted tale. At the end of this movie, [[spoiler: King Stefan is dead, and the queen as well]]. Who spread the original tale, then?
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* So, according to the voice-over, this is the story as we've never been told or some such, implying the 'original' Disney movie is the current accepted tale. At the end of this movie, [[spoiler: King Stefan is dead, and the queen as well]]. Who spread the original tale, then?then?
** Flittle, Thistlewit, and Knotgrass?
** Flittle, Thistlewit, and Knotgrass?
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** The real question is if all the spinning wheels are made of wood and meltable metal, ''how'' did "burning them all" still leave a gigantic pile of them in the castle?
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** The real question is if all the spinning wheels are made of wood and meltable metal, ''how'' did "burning them all" still leave a gigantic pile of them in the castle?castle?
*So, according to the voice-over, this is the story as we've never been told or some such, implying the 'original' Disney movie is the current accepted tale. At the end of this movie, [[spoiler: King Stefan is dead, and the queen as well]]. Who spread the original tale, then?
*So, according to the voice-over, this is the story as we've never been told or some such, implying the 'original' Disney movie is the current accepted tale. At the end of this movie, [[spoiler: King Stefan is dead, and the queen as well]]. Who spread the original tale, then?
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*** And that is also in line with the animated movie--all the spindles were burned and so on, and Aurora was ultimately enchanted to prick her finger, so telling her wouldn't have made a single difference.
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*** And that is also in line with the animated movie--all the spindles were burned and so on, and Aurora was ultimately enchanted to prick her finger, so telling her wouldn't have made a single difference.difference.
** The real question is if all the spinning wheels are made of wood and meltable metal, ''how'' did "burning them all" still leave a gigantic pile of them in the castle?
** The real question is if all the spinning wheels are made of wood and meltable metal, ''how'' did "burning them all" still leave a gigantic pile of them in the castle?
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*** The film actually has an answer to that- all the spinning wheels in the kingdom are burnt and their remains locked away, and Aurora is told about the curse the day before her 16th birthday- but the curse gives her an irresistible compulsion to prick her finger, she is led to the locked room, which is magically opened, and a spinning wheel re-forms from the wreckage. The curse will NOT be outsmarted!
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*** The film actually has an answer to that- all the spinning wheels in the kingdom are burnt and their remains locked away, and Aurora is told about the curse the day before her 16th birthday- but the curse gives her an irresistible compulsion to prick her finger, she is led to the locked room, which is magically opened, and a spinning wheel re-forms from the wreckage. The curse will NOT be outsmarted!outsmarted!
*** And that is also in line with the animated movie--all the spindles were burned and so on, and Aurora was ultimately enchanted to prick her finger, so telling her wouldn't have made a single difference.
*** And that is also in line with the animated movie--all the spindles were burned and so on, and Aurora was ultimately enchanted to prick her finger, so telling her wouldn't have made a single difference.
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** Or how about: telling your daughter ahead of time that she has a curse on her, and all she has to do to live through it is not go near any spinning wheel spindles?
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** Or how about: telling your daughter ahead of time that she has a curse on her, and all she has to do to live through it is not go near any spinning wheel spindles?spindles?
*** The film actually has an answer to that- all the spinning wheels in the kingdom are burnt and their remains locked away, and Aurora is told about the curse the day before her 16th birthday- but the curse gives her an irresistible compulsion to prick her finger, she is led to the locked room, which is magically opened, and a spinning wheel re-forms from the wreckage. The curse will NOT be outsmarted!
*** The film actually has an answer to that- all the spinning wheels in the kingdom are burnt and their remains locked away, and Aurora is told about the curse the day before her 16th birthday- but the curse gives her an irresistible compulsion to prick her finger, she is led to the locked room, which is magically opened, and a spinning wheel re-forms from the wreckage. The curse will NOT be outsmarted!
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* This probly applies to Sleeping Beauty as well. Haven't seen it in years and years and years. Scenario: Your daughter has a sleeping curse laid on her that will take effect on her 16th birthday after pricking her finger on a spinning wheel spindle. At what point does the solution to this problem become something other than: Toss all spinning wheel spindles out the window and keep her in the castle where you can look after her and make sure she's safe?
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* This probly applies to Sleeping Beauty as well. Haven't seen it in years and years and years. Scenario: Your daughter has a sleeping curse laid on her that will take effect on her 16th birthday after pricking her finger on a spinning wheel spindle. At what point does the solution to this problem become something other than: Toss all spinning wheel spindles out the window and keep her in the castle where you can look after her and make sure she's safe?safe?
** Or how about: telling your daughter ahead of time that she has a curse on her, and all she has to do to live through it is not go near any spinning wheel spindles?
** Or how about: telling your daughter ahead of time that she has a curse on her, and all she has to do to live through it is not go near any spinning wheel spindles?
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* This probly applies to Sleeping Beauty as well. Haven't seen it in years and years and years. Scenario: Your daughter has a sleeping curse laid on her that will take effect on her 16th birthday after pricking her finger on a spinning wheel spindle. At what point does the solution to this problem become something other than: Toss all spinning wheel spindles out the window and keep her in the castle where you can look after her and make sure she's safe?
