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** While I agree with your problem with [[spoiler: Cal's backup plan]], Cal ''is'' former MI6. It's not too far outside the realm of possibility that he [[spoiler: has been trained to resist waterboarding, especially since he's an interrogation expert.]] It's still ridiculous that he [[spoiler: let himself get kidnapped]].

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** While I agree with your problem with [[spoiler: Cal's backup plan]], Cal ''is'' former MI6.[=MI6=]. It's not too far outside the realm of possibility that he [[spoiler: has been trained to resist waterboarding, especially since he's an interrogation expert.]] It's still ridiculous that he [[spoiler: let himself get kidnapped]].
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** Perhaps it was a [[TheBigLebowski movie reference.]]

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** Perhaps it was a [[TheBigLebowski [[Film/TheBigLebowski movie reference.]]
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* I forget its name, but the episode with the jet pilot on antidepressants. [[spoiler:The wife is discovered, the husband goes "we're gonna lose everything!", and she replies "we were already losing everything! Think about it, how do you feel about me and the kids?" He says he feels better, there are smiles all around, and we're supposed to believe he just becomes a bank teller or something, keeps popping antidepressants and spends the rest of his days with his happy family. There's just one little thing, though: he's just crashed a highly experimental, no doubt '''very''' expensive jet. And the military is just going to let it slide? And not, I dunno, arrest the wife and throw her in prison for a very long time?]]

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* I forget its name, but the episode with the jet pilot on [[spoiler:on antidepressants. [[spoiler:The The wife is discovered, the husband goes "we're gonna lose everything!", and she replies "we were already losing everything! Think about it, how do you feel about me and the kids?" He says he feels better, there are smiles all around, and we're supposed to believe he just becomes a bank teller or something, keeps popping antidepressants and spends the rest of his days with his happy family. There's just one little thing, though: he's just crashed a highly experimental, no doubt '''very''' expensive jet. And the military is just going to let it slide? And not, I dunno, arrest the wife and throw her in prison for a very long time?]]
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* I forget its name, but the episode with the jet pilot on antidepressants. [[spoiler:The wife is discovered, the husband goes "we're gonna lose everything!", and she replies "we were already losing everything! Think about it, how do you feel about me and the kids?" He says he feels better, there are smiles all around, and we're supposed to believe he just becomes a bank teller or something, keeps popping antidepressants and spends the rest of his days with his happy family. There's just one little thing, though: he's just crashed a highly experimental, no doubt '''very''' expensive jet. And the military is just going to let it slide? And not, I dunno, arrest the wife and throw her in prison for a very long time?]]
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** I'm glad it was cancelled. Seriously, for the first two seasons, it was the best thing I've ever watched. In the third, they suddenly made Lightman twenty times more of a jerkass than he was before, which just made the whole thing look like a complete House ripoff. At least they stopped before the whole thing turned unwatchable.

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** I'm glad it was cancelled. Seriously, for the first two seasons, it was the best thing I've ever watched. In the third, they suddenly made Lightman twenty times more of a jerkass than he was before, which just made the whole thing look like a complete House ripoff. At least they stopped before the whole thing turned unwatchable.unwatchable.
*** Yeah. I watched S1 and S2. Then I watched just ep 1 of Season 3 and stopped there when I noticed how Cal was already significantly more egotistical and erratic in that episode than he was in the previous two seasons; the thing that particularly did it for me was watching Cal verbally beat down Gillian Foster when she was trying to get him to bring in enough money to keep the firm afloat. I'm also of two minds regarding Loker. On the one hand, he did a pretty stupidly self-righteous thing by tipping off the SEC against the Lightman Group's directives. On the other, Cal and Gillian keep raking him over the coals for it to the point of Cal purposely trolling him on a few occasions.
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**** That's probably it. In the pilot, Lightman asked "What did you call it, radical honesty?" as if it was something Koker just came up with recently. It seems like he just picked it up and got tired of it after a few months, but the fact that it was his character establishing moment ruined the effect.

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**** That's probably it. In the pilot, Lightman asked "What did you call it, radical honesty?" as if it was something Koker Loker just came up with recently. It seems like he just picked it up and got tired of it after a few months, but the fact that it was his character establishing moment ruined the effect.
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* Why cancelled. CBS hates me!

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* Why cancelled. CBS hates me!me!
** I'm glad it was cancelled. Seriously, for the first two seasons, it was the best thing I've ever watched. In the third, they suddenly made Lightman twenty times more of a jerkass than he was before, which just made the whole thing look like a complete House ripoff. At least they stopped before the whole thing turned unwatchable.
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**** That's probably it. In the pilot, Lightman asked "What did you call it, radical honesty?" as if it was something Koker just came up with recently. It seems like he just picked it up and got tired of it after a few months, but the fact that it was his character establishing moment ruined the effect.
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*** Maybe he just realised it’s, you know, idiotic.
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** The season 1 episodes were aired out of order. It seemed to me like there was a coherent plot in there somewhere about Loker's use of radical honesty and why he stopped using it, but it got lost in the shuffle.

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** The season 1 episodes were aired out of order. It seemed to me like there was a coherent plot in there somewhere about Loker's use of radical honesty and why he stopped using it, but it got lost in the shuffle.shuffle.
* Why cancelled. CBS hates me!
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** That happened back in season one. I don't ever recall it being brought up in season two.

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** That happened back in season one. I don't ever recall it being brought up in season two.two.
** The season 1 episodes were aired out of order. It seemed to me like there was a coherent plot in there somewhere about Loker's use of radical honesty and why he stopped using it, but it got lost in the shuffle.
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***The Royal We is about a single personality split into two, not a mother projecting onto her daughter.
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*** Seconded. Loker can't at all be blamed for that. And I'd add that he SHOULD do it on company time, specially the way he's been treated. Rules should only oblige on as long as they are fair and power is not meant to be abused.
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** She meant that the woman was projecting her thoughts, desires, and ambitions onto her daughter. When she said "we" she ''meant'' "I."
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** Perhaps it was a [[TheBigLebowski movie reference.]]
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* Is it just me, or has Loker's brutal honesty trait kind of... disappeared?

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* Is it just me, or has Loker's brutal honesty trait kind of... disappeared?disappeared?
** That happened back in season one. I don't ever recall it being brought up in season two.
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* In the second episode of the third season, "The Royal We", Gillian refers to a mother speaking for both herself and her daughter as using "The Royal We". However, the royal we is not when you're referring to yourself and another person, that's just the regular we. The royal We comes from Queen Victoria's quote "We are not amused", referring to herself and to her office.

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* In the second episode of the third season, "The Royal We", Gillian refers to a mother speaking for both herself and her daughter as using "The Royal We". However, the royal we is not when you're referring to yourself and another person, that's just the regular we. The royal We comes from Queen Victoria's quote "We are not amused", referring to herself and to her office.office.
* Is it just me, or has Loker's brutal honesty trait kind of... disappeared?
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** Agreed. Cal's treatment of Loker has become almost Flanderized. Frankly, I don't blame Loker for looking for a new job (although not on company time. That's not kosher.).

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** Agreed. Cal's treatment of Loker has become almost Flanderized. Frankly, I don't blame Loker for looking for a new job (although not on company time. That's not kosher.).).
* In the second episode of the third season, "The Royal We", Gillian refers to a mother speaking for both herself and her daughter as using "The Royal We". However, the royal we is not when you're referring to yourself and another person, that's just the regular we. The royal We comes from Queen Victoria's quote "We are not amused", referring to herself and to her office.
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* It can't just be me noticing that both Cal and Loker have taken ''extreme'' levels of sociopath in season three? I mean, Cal's slacking off on business decisions, going undercover at the drop of a hat, torturing his employees more than usual, and NO ONE questions this? His body language is all over the place; he looks like he's high on something. And Loker's gotten so scathingly critical, practically ripping Torres's head off whenever she tries to talk to him reasonably. He's job-hunting on company time, stealing his boss's possessions, and he hacked Gillian's computer twice. Not to mention that oh yeah, Cal's treatment of Loker has gotten worse, and has been explicitly compared to ''the process you'd use to create a sociopath''. It's working, and I don't trust Fox/the show to either run with the sociopath thing in a well-crafted manner or to give us a plausible explanation.

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* It can't just be me noticing that both Cal and Loker have taken ''extreme'' levels of sociopath in season three? I mean, Cal's slacking off on business decisions, going undercover at the drop of a hat, torturing his employees more than usual, and NO ONE questions this? His body language is all over the place; he looks like he's high on something. And Loker's gotten so scathingly critical, practically ripping Torres's head off whenever she tries to talk to him reasonably. He's job-hunting on company time, stealing his boss's possessions, and he hacked Gillian's computer twice. Not to mention that oh yeah, Cal's treatment of Loker has gotten worse, and has been explicitly compared to ''the process you'd use to create a sociopath''. It's working, and I don't trust Fox/the show to either run with the sociopath thing in a well-crafted manner or to give us a plausible explanation.explanation.
** Agreed. Cal's treatment of Loker has become almost Flanderized. Frankly, I don't blame Loker for looking for a new job (although not on company time. That's not kosher.).
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*** The above two have half-decent explanations (not good, but usable). In "The Core of It," the only observers were The Lightman Group and the "subject" (so to speak). And since [[spoiler: he proves her innocence]] she has no reason to press charges. In the case with Loker, Loker probably felt Lightman had a point being that upset considering the situation. He also probably wanted to keep his job. Still no clue as to the prison one, since the prison really has no reason to not press charges...Unless everyone in Lie To Me is unbearably forgiving once you solve the case.

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*** The above two have half-decent explanations (not good, but usable). In "The Core of It," the only observers were The Lightman Group and the "subject" (so to speak). And since [[spoiler: he proves her innocence]] she has no reason to press charges. In the case with Loker, Loker probably felt Lightman had a point being that upset considering the situation. He also probably wanted to keep his job. Still no clue as to the prison one, since the prison really has no reason to not press charges...Unless everyone in Lie To Me is unbearably forgiving once you solve the case.case.
* It can't just be me noticing that both Cal and Loker have taken ''extreme'' levels of sociopath in season three? I mean, Cal's slacking off on business decisions, going undercover at the drop of a hat, torturing his employees more than usual, and NO ONE questions this? His body language is all over the place; he looks like he's high on something. And Loker's gotten so scathingly critical, practically ripping Torres's head off whenever she tries to talk to him reasonably. He's job-hunting on company time, stealing his boss's possessions, and he hacked Gillian's computer twice. Not to mention that oh yeah, Cal's treatment of Loker has gotten worse, and has been explicitly compared to ''the process you'd use to create a sociopath''. It's working, and I don't trust Fox/the show to either run with the sociopath thing in a well-crafted manner or to give us a plausible explanation.
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*** That's my problem with him punching Loker [[spoiler: for getting kissed by Emily, which is easily wrapped up when Loker forgives him]]. It seemed to me we were supposed to roll our eyes fondly and think, "Oh, that Cal!" when in the real world, Cal would have gotten sued and/or had charges of assault pressed for punching his employee. That bothers me.

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*** That's my problem with him punching Loker [[spoiler: for getting kissed by Emily, which is easily wrapped up when Loker forgives him]]. It seemed to me we were supposed to roll our eyes fondly and think, "Oh, that Cal!" when in the real world, Cal would have gotten sued and/or had charges of assault pressed for punching his employee. That bothers me.me.
*** The above two have half-decent explanations (not good, but usable). In "The Core of It," the only observers were The Lightman Group and the "subject" (so to speak). And since [[spoiler: he proves her innocence]] she has no reason to press charges. In the case with Loker, Loker probably felt Lightman had a point being that upset considering the situation. He also probably wanted to keep his job. Still no clue as to the prison one, since the prison really has no reason to not press charges...Unless everyone in Lie To Me is unbearably forgiving once you solve the case.

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