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*Okay the first episode of season four "The Long Way Down Job" left me feeling somewhat empty, maybe I need to rewatch it but a number of things felt unresolved. 1: Why did Parker need to slip the Russian bad guy the cell, when she and Elliot could have just carried it down themselves, given that they showed up at the tent in time to see the arrest they couldn't have been that far behind him, (they did show up didn't they?) so they couldn't have been that far behind. 2: It seemed like the Russian guy got arrested and if so for what? Yes he effectively kidnapped/took Parker hostage in order to steal the journal but there's next to no proof that he did it, unless Parker managed to somehow record the entire threatening conversation on the cell phone they'd just recovered... which combined with point one is only more proof for why they should have held onto the cell phone. 3: The hiker's dieing words may be admissible in court, doubtlessly enough to get the guy arrested and bring him to trial, but would it really be enough to get the guy convicted without material evidence as well? Unless Parker and Eliot found some in the cave which they took with them before they escaped (since they did listen to it just before they left) but if so there was never anything saying they did that was there? Or was the resolution that the guy would get tied up in legal battles with the murder charge long enough for the Leverage team to prove his wheeling and dealing when it came to the phony foreclosures? Either I zoned out during the episode or it felt like they needed another 3 to 5 min to wrap things up properly....
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** Presumptuous, maybe, but it seemed in-character from what we saw of her. Plus, don't lie. If you had a chance to spend lots of time with Christian Kane, you totally would.
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** I always assumed that the scene at the end was stylized and intended to take place later on, once they were more established as a team.
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** RuleOfAwesome. Or, as per the commenters on Kung Fu Monkey, "no impediments to the fun train."
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*** Short version - they're trying to wipe out EVERYONE who knows about the scheme, which includes the second guy - they've conned him into thinking he's working on a hit to get him and the accountant in the same place.
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* Okay, I understanding I'm going back a bit here, but I just got into this series, and something is really bothering me. In "The Homecoming Job", are we just supposed to take it at fact that the PMC can just have dudes armed with carbines hanging around their one shipping container in a private port, which has its own specific Law Enforcement Division? And, that they are allowed to just pull over people and threaten to shoot them with guns? I've done a bit of research about PMCs before, and while I know some of the large ones have small armies and intelligence assets and so on, I'm pretty sure they do not have the legal ability to do some of those things.
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* Maybe I am mistaken in the plot, but in the Mile High Job, they help protect a womn who a company has put a hit out on. Let me get this straight... a company hires a hit man to kill a woman who knows all their secrets, and then sabotages the plane, making it crash, so as to hide the fact that they hired a hit man? Seems a bit redundant to me.
** I have not seen the episode in a while, but as far as I remember Team Leverage overhears that the firm put all evidence they wanted to keep hidden an that plane. They board that plane to steal the evidence. Hardison finds out that there two employees on the plane, an accountant and a someone from security. Team Leverage thinks that the accauntant knows to much and the other guy is there to kill her, but later find out that both know to much and the plane crash is supposed to kill both. We never see who sabotaged the plane.
*** i get that, but my question is why bother with the hit man? the plane crash should take care of the woman without hiring an expensive assassin. in fact, hiring an assassin just draws more attention to the crime itself. just sabotage the plane!
*** The second guy isn't a hitman, he was the one the big bad of the episode used to bribe some researchers, so that they would fake the safety studies/wouldn't testify in court. Team Leverage thinks at first that he is a hitman, but later find out that he is another target. In fact, he is the reason the big bad had someone sabotage the plane: as a former navy seal who knew he was a liability he was prepared for an assasination attempt (thats why he had the knife) the big bad couldn't get the drop on him easily. As Eliot says "I would take him out in transit." That the big bad could get the accountent with the same plane crash is just a bonus.
** I have not seen the episode in a while, but as far as I remember Team Leverage overhears that the firm put all evidence they wanted to keep hidden an that plane. They board that plane to steal the evidence. Hardison finds out that there two employees on the plane, an accountant and a someone from security. Team Leverage thinks that the accauntant knows to much and the other guy is there to kill her, but later find out that both know to much and the plane crash is supposed to kill both. We never see who sabotaged the plane.
*** i get that, but my question is why bother with the hit man? the plane crash should take care of the woman without hiring an expensive assassin. in fact, hiring an assassin just draws more attention to the crime itself. just sabotage the plane!
*** The second guy isn't a hitman, he was the one the big bad of the episode used to bribe some researchers, so that they would fake the safety studies/wouldn't testify in court. Team Leverage thinks at first that he is a hitman, but later find out that he is another target. In fact, he is the reason the big bad had someone sabotage the plane: as a former navy seal who knew he was a liability he was prepared for an assasination attempt (thats why he had the knife) the big bad couldn't get the drop on him easily. As Eliot says "I would take him out in transit." That the big bad could get the accountent with the same plane crash is just a bonus.
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* Maybe I am mistaken in the plot, but in the "The Mile High Job, Job," they help protect a womn woman who a company has put a hit out on. Let me get this straight... a company hires a hit man to kill a woman who knows all their secrets, and then sabotages the plane, making it crash, so as to hide the fact that they hired a hit man? hitman? Seems a bit redundant to me.
** I have not seen the episode in a while, but as far as I remember Team Leverage overhears that the firm put all evidence they wanted to keep hidden an that plane. They board that plane to steal the evidence. Hardison finds out that there two employees on the plane, an accountant and a someone from security. Team Leverage thinks that theaccauntant accountant knows to much and the other guy is there to kill her, but later find out that both know to much and the plane crash is supposed to kill both. We never see who sabotaged the plane.
***i I get that, but my question is why bother with the hit man? the hitman? The plane crash should take care of the woman without hiring an expensive assassin. in In fact, hiring an assassin just draws more attention to the crime itself. just Just sabotage the plane!
*** The second guy isn't a hitman, he was the one thebig bad BigBad of the episode used to bribe some researchers, so that they would fake the safety studies/wouldn't testify in court. Team Leverage thinks at first that he is a hitman, but later find out that he is another target. In fact, he is the reason the big bad had someone sabotage the plane: as a former navy seal who knew he was a liability he was prepared for an assasination assassination attempt (thats (that's why he had the knife) the big bad couldn't get the drop on him easily. As Eliot says "I would take him out in transit." That the big bad could get the accountent accountant with the same plane crash is just a bonus.
** I have not seen the episode in a while, but as far as I remember Team Leverage overhears that the firm put all evidence they wanted to keep hidden an that plane. They board that plane to steal the evidence. Hardison finds out that there two employees on the plane, an accountant and a someone from security. Team Leverage thinks that the
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* Okay, so in "The San Lorenzo Job" Nate states that Hardison is 'a 24-year-old genius with a smartphone', or something along those lines. Go back to "The Rashomon Job", same season, the team are retelling a story of a night five years ago. Does that make Hardison ''nineteen'' when he is impersonating a minister?
** That's not so farfetched. Between the ages 16 to 18 [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Abagnale Frank William Abagnale, Jr.]] successfully impersonated a pilot, fooling Pan Am and its pilots. He used the identity to catch free rides off Pan Am flights since flight staff get to fly for free. When he was 19 he actually taught sociology at the Brigham Young University by forging a degree from the Columbia University. That's from a ''real life'' teenager with self-taught skills. Considering that Hardison is a fictional RenaissanceMan, it's not that unbelievable at all.
** Made even more glaring in light of the fact that the [[WordOfGod showrunners have already said]] that Hardison was in his early twenties during the flashbacks, so there's really no way he could be 24 years old.
** That's not so farfetched. Between the ages 16 to 18 [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Abagnale Frank William Abagnale, Jr.]] successfully impersonated a pilot, fooling Pan Am and its pilots. He used the identity to catch free rides off Pan Am flights since flight staff get to fly for free. When he was 19 he actually taught sociology at the Brigham Young University by forging a degree from the Columbia University. That's from a ''real life'' teenager with self-taught skills. Considering that Hardison is a fictional RenaissanceMan, it's not that unbelievable at all.
** Made even more glaring in light of the fact that the [[WordOfGod showrunners have already said]] that Hardison was in his early twenties during the flashbacks, so there's really no way he could be 24 years old.
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*** The second guy isn't a hitman, he was the one the big bad of the episode used to bribe some researchers, so that they would fake the safety studies/wouldn't testify in court. Team Leverage thinks at first that he is a hitman, but later find out that he is another target. In fact, he is the reason the big bad had someone sabotage the plane: as a former navy seal who knew he was a liability he was prepared for an assasination attempt (thats why he had the knife) the big bad couldn't get the drop on him easily. As Eliot says "I would take him out in transit." That the big bad could get the accountent with the same plane crash is just a bonus.
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***i get that, but my question is why bother with the hit man? the plane crash should take care of the woman without hiring an expensive assassin. in fact, hiring an assassin just draws more attention to the crime itself. just sabotage the plane!
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** I have not seen the episode in a while, but as far as I remember Team Leverage overhears that the firm put all evidence they wanted to keep hidden an that plane. They board that plane to steal the evidence. Hardison finds out that there two employees on the plane, an accountant and a someone from security. Team Leverage thinks that the accauntant knows to much and the other guy is there to kill her, but later find out that both know to much and the plane crash is supposed to kill both. We never see who sabotaged the plane.
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* Maybe I am mistaken in the plot, but in the Mile High Job, they help protect a womn who a company has put a hit out on. Let me get this straight... a company hires a hit man to kill a woman who knows all their secrets, and then sabotages the plane, making it crash, so as to hide the fact that they hired a hit man? Seems a bit redundant to me.
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* The team goes through con after con without making any real effort to cover up their faces and fingerprints. We know from the Pilot episode that their fingerprints are on file. We know that the bad guys have access to tech too. So why is it that they're not being arrested and/or tracked preemptively in their schemes?
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** You put the greatest thief in the world in a midtown hotel and she can probably scare up clothing in your size without having to think about it too hard.
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* Another complaint about The Maltese Falcon Job: At the beginning of the episode it's pointed out that they're not going to get out of the city with anything but "the clothes on our backs" before they go hide out in the hotel. Once inside, every member of the team changes clothes at least once (Eliot wears a sweatsuit, Parker wears a maid uniform, Hardison wears a suit, Nate and Tara both put on more casual outfits). Where the heck did these clothes come from? I can imagine Parker lifted the maid uniform, but what about the rest? It especially bugs me with Nate and Tara because what they end up wearing genuinely looks like it came from their own closets and we know they weren't carrying around a change of clothes.
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* In "The Stork Job", why didn't the villain just let the couple ''keep'' the kid? It's not like they didn't have plenty more . . .
** The kid might have let his guard down and said something about their operation.
* In "The Bank Shot Job", Hardison [[spoiler:posing as an FBI agent, takes a brief phone call, no more than five seconds at most, and then, to distract the local cops from Parker entering the bank, gives off a lengthy list of the bank robber's "demands"]] The cops never stop to wonder how he could have gotten so much information from such a short call.
** It's amazing what you can do with a BavarianFireDrill.
* In "The Homecoming Job" the team acts like this is their first case together. What about the couple they were talking to at the end of the pilot episode?
** Doesn't mean they actually took that case, or it took place right after the Nigerian Job.
* In "The Maltese Falcon Job" The [[spoiler: gunshot wound Nate suffers]] doesn't make any sense. He's able to [[spoiler: completely shrug it off like he never got hurt, stand up straight and walk around for minutes after without showing any pain, the side he was shot on is the opposite side that he was presenting to the shooter, and there's no hole ine his coat where a bullet might have torn through, but when The Plot Demands It he collapses in pain and is nearly bleeding to death.]]
** The kid might have let his guard down and said something about their operation.
* In "The Bank Shot Job", Hardison [[spoiler:posing as an FBI agent, takes a brief phone call, no more than five seconds at most, and then, to distract the local cops from Parker entering the bank, gives off a lengthy list of the bank robber's "demands"]] The cops never stop to wonder how he could have gotten so much information from such a short call.
** It's amazing what you can do with a BavarianFireDrill.
* In "The Homecoming Job" the team acts like this is their first case together. What about the couple they were talking to at the end of the pilot episode?
** Doesn't mean they actually took that case, or it took place right after the Nigerian Job.
* In "The Maltese Falcon Job" The [[spoiler: gunshot wound Nate suffers]] doesn't make any sense. He's able to [[spoiler: completely shrug it off like he never got hurt, stand up straight and walk around for minutes after without showing any pain, the side he was shot on is the opposite side that he was presenting to the shooter, and there's no hole ine his coat where a bullet might have torn through, but when The Plot Demands It he collapses in pain and is nearly bleeding to death.]]
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* At the end of The Studio Job, it seemed a bit presumptuous of Kaye Lynn to make that "We could be the next Johnny and June" comment to Eliot when asking him to go be a country star with her. Not only does that comment imply she thinks they'll be insanely famous, but it also implies an intent to marry Eliot, who she couldn't possibly have known more than a few days. Even if she meant it only on a professional level, would she really want to keep working with him after finding out he used to be, essentially, a hired killer?
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***** Really? I thought he did quite a bit with just a couple of lines. He was cocky and smug and had a right to be both.
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** Rogers said that there was a scene cut that explained it.
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**** I think that's what bugs me the most about it. Quinn is so ''blatantly'' a device, and not a character with personality and purpose. And this is a show that's normally really good about giving even bit parts sparks of characterisation.
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**** I think that's what bugs me the most about it. Quinn is so ''blatantly'' a device, and not a character with personality and purpose. And this is a show that's normally really good about giving even bit parts sparks of characterisation.characterisation.
***** Really? I thought he did quite a bit with just a couple of lines. He was cocky and smug and had a right to be both.
***** Really? I thought he did quite a bit with just a couple of lines. He was cocky and smug and had a right to be both.
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*** Mr. Quinn was a device, like the guys who went after Hardison and Parker. His purpose was to make us genuinely scared for roughly the first time in the series. Here's Eliot, built up into this unstoppable machine, and he runs into a guy who can hand his ass to him. As if this isn't enough to make us nervous, we have people tailing and kidnapping Hardison and Parker. They were going for effect on this one, and for that, I don't really think we need to know who Mr. Quinn is. And Eliot beats him anyway. They're really, really good at avoiding TheWorfEffect on this show.
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*** Mr. Quinn was a device, like the guys who went after Hardison and Parker. His purpose was to make us genuinely scared for roughly the first time in the series. Here's Eliot, built up into this unstoppable machine, and he runs into a guy who can hand his ass to him. As if this isn't enough to make us nervous, we have people tailing and kidnapping Hardison and Parker. They were going for effect on this one, and for that, I don't really think we need to know who Mr. Quinn is. And Eliot beats him anyway. They're really, really good at avoiding TheWorfEffect on this show.show.
**** I think that's what bugs me the most about it. Quinn is so ''blatantly'' a device, and not a character with personality and purpose. And this is a show that's normally really good about giving even bit parts sparks of characterisation.
**** I think that's what bugs me the most about it. Quinn is so ''blatantly'' a device, and not a character with personality and purpose. And this is a show that's normally really good about giving even bit parts sparks of characterisation.
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*** Also , Sterling knows how to shop hence the term '' not as good as advertised.'' If the situation was possible he would have hired that Mossad Amazon from the {{PsychoRangers}} episode. Mr Quinn was very good, but it looked like he ran out of steam and Elliot ropadoped his butt.
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*** Also , Sterling knows how to shop hence the term '' not as good as advertised.'' If the situation was possible he would have hired that Mossad Amazon from the {{PsychoRangers}} episode. Mr Quinn was very good, but it looked like he ran out of steam and Elliot ropadoped his butt.butt.
*** Mr. Quinn was a device, like the guys who went after Hardison and Parker. His purpose was to make us genuinely scared for roughly the first time in the series. Here's Eliot, built up into this unstoppable machine, and he runs into a guy who can hand his ass to him. As if this isn't enough to make us nervous, we have people tailing and kidnapping Hardison and Parker. They were going for effect on this one, and for that, I don't really think we need to know who Mr. Quinn is. And Eliot beats him anyway. They're really, really good at avoiding TheWorfEffect on this show.
*** Mr. Quinn was a device, like the guys who went after Hardison and Parker. His purpose was to make us genuinely scared for roughly the first time in the series. Here's Eliot, built up into this unstoppable machine, and he runs into a guy who can hand his ass to him. As if this isn't enough to make us nervous, we have people tailing and kidnapping Hardison and Parker. They were going for effect on this one, and for that, I don't really think we need to know who Mr. Quinn is. And Eliot beats him anyway. They're really, really good at avoiding TheWorfEffect on this show.
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***For the moment you're right we've got no idea who he is. However with any luck the fact that Elliot didn't kill Mr. Quinn leaves the door open to us learning more about him. Maybe he'll show up again if [[ADayInTheLimelight We get an episode dictated to seeing things from Sterling's point of view]] [[SimilarSquad and Sterling decides he needs his own team.]] For now, we'll just have to except he was the most badass guy Sterling could hire. What's more of a "Just bugs me" to me is that The Badassness of that one guard in the Shahrazad job comes out of nowhere considering Elliot is normally able to take down building security without even breaking a sweat.
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***For the moment you're right we've got no idea who he is. However with any luck the fact that Elliot didn't kill Mr. Quinn leaves the door open to us learning more about him. Maybe he'll show up again if [[ADayInTheLimelight We get an episode dictated to seeing things from Sterling's point of view]] [[SimilarSquad and Sterling decides he needs his own team.]] For now, we'll just have to except accept he was the most badass guy Sterling could hire. What's more of a "Just bugs me" to me is that The Badassness of that one guard in the Shahrazad job comes out of nowhere considering Elliot is normally able to take down building security without even breaking a sweat.
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***For the moment you're right we've got no idea who he is. However with any luck the fact that Elliot didn't kill Mr. Quinn leaves the door open to us learning more about him. Maybe he'll show up again if [[ADayInTheLimelight We get an episode dictated to seeing things from Sterling's point of view]] [[SimilarSquad and Sterling decides he needs his own team.]] For now, we'll just have to except he was the most badass guy Sterling could hire. What's more of a "Just bugs me" to me is that The Badassness of that one guard in the Shahrazad job comes out of nowhere considering Elliot is normally able to take down building security without even breaking a sweat.
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***For the moment you're right we've got no idea who he is. However with any luck the fact that Elliot didn't kill Mr. Quinn leaves the door open to us learning more about him. Maybe he'll show up again if [[ADayInTheLimelight We get an episode dictated to seeing things from Sterling's point of view]] [[SimilarSquad and Sterling decides he needs his own team.]] For now, we'll just have to except he was the most badass guy Sterling could hire. What's more of a "Just bugs me" to me is that The Badassness of that one guard in the Shahrazad job comes out of nowhere considering Elliot is normally able to take down building security without even breaking a sweat.sweat.
*** Also , Sterling knows how to shop hence the term '' not as good as advertised.'' If the situation was possible he would have hired that Mossad Amazon from the {{PsychoRangers}} episode. Mr Quinn was very good, but it looked like he ran out of steam and Elliot ropadoped his butt.
*** Also , Sterling knows how to shop hence the term '' not as good as advertised.'' If the situation was possible he would have hired that Mossad Amazon from the {{PsychoRangers}} episode. Mr Quinn was very good, but it looked like he ran out of steam and Elliot ropadoped his butt.
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*** Yes, but when we first met Elliot, we've had it established that Elliot's badassness is part of him. Every other major threat has had something to establish menace. That's part of why it bothers me. This show is usually good about handling that kind of thing.
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*** Yes, but when we first met Elliot, we've had it established that Elliot's badassness is part of him. Every other major threat has had something to establish menace. That's part of why it bothers me. This show is usually good about handling that kind of thing.thing.
***For the moment you're right we've got no idea who he is. However with any luck the fact that Elliot didn't kill Mr. Quinn leaves the door open to us learning more about him. Maybe he'll show up again if [[ADayInTheLimelight We get an episode dictated to seeing things from Sterling's point of view]] [[SimilarSquad and Sterling decides he needs his own team.]] For now, we'll just have to except he was the most badass guy Sterling could hire. What's more of a "Just bugs me" to me is that The Badassness of that one guard in the Shahrazad job comes out of nowhere considering Elliot is normally able to take down building security without even breaking a sweat.
***For the moment you're right we've got no idea who he is. However with any luck the fact that Elliot didn't kill Mr. Quinn leaves the door open to us learning more about him. Maybe he'll show up again if [[ADayInTheLimelight We get an episode dictated to seeing things from Sterling's point of view]] [[SimilarSquad and Sterling decides he needs his own team.]] For now, we'll just have to except he was the most badass guy Sterling could hire. What's more of a "Just bugs me" to me is that The Badassness of that one guard in the Shahrazad job comes out of nowhere considering Elliot is normally able to take down building security without even breaking a sweat.
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** Considering that Elliot himself generally looks like some blue-collar guy until his fist is speeding towards your face, I'd assume he's just a good fighter, like Elliot.
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** Considering that Elliot himself generally looks like some blue-collar guy until his fist is speeding towards your face, I'd assume he's just a good fighter, like Elliot.
*** Yes, but when we first met Elliot, we've had it established that Elliot's badassness is part of him. Every other major threat has had something to establish menace. That's part of why it bothers me. This show is usually good about handling that kind of thing.
*** Yes, but when we first met Elliot, we've had it established that Elliot's badassness is part of him. Every other major threat has had something to establish menace. That's part of why it bothers me. This show is usually good about handling that kind of thing.
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* In The First David Job, just who the hell is this nobody that somehow manages to pull equal and even threaten Elliot? Every major threat he'd faced up until then was something meaningful, demonstrated in some way or another. This guy appears from nowhere and really just looks like a yuppie in a suit. I really wish he had had some explanation... some SOMETHING.
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* In The First David Job, just who the hell is this nobody that somehow manages to pull equal and even threaten Elliot? Every major threat he'd faced up until then was something meaningful, demonstrated in some way or another. This guy appears from nowhere and really just looks like a yuppie in a suit. I really wish he had had some explanation... some SOMETHING.SOMETHING.
** Considering that Elliot himself generally looks like some blue-collar guy until his fist is speeding towards your face, I'd assume he's just a good fighter, like Elliot.
** Considering that Elliot himself generally looks like some blue-collar guy until his fist is speeding towards your face, I'd assume he's just a good fighter, like Elliot.
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*How did Nate beat up those guys in "The Studio Job"? Elliot even asks, and Nate says multiple times "They got into a fight."
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How exactly did Hardison and Elliot trigger that make shift bomb at exactly the moment they wanted it to go off in the "Gone Fishing Job"? Even the flashback didn't help make it any clearer....
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* How exactly did Hardison and Elliot trigger that make shift bomb at exactly the moment they wanted it to go off in the "Gone Fishing Job"? Even the flashback didn't help make it any clearer....clearer....
* In The First David Job, just who the hell is this nobody that somehow manages to pull equal and even threaten Elliot? Every major threat he'd faced up until then was something meaningful, demonstrated in some way or another. This guy appears from nowhere and really just looks like a yuppie in a suit. I really wish he had had some explanation... some SOMETHING.
* In The First David Job, just who the hell is this nobody that somehow manages to pull equal and even threaten Elliot? Every major threat he'd faced up until then was something meaningful, demonstrated in some way or another. This guy appears from nowhere and really just looks like a yuppie in a suit. I really wish he had had some explanation... some SOMETHING.
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