Follow TV Tropes

Following

History Headscratchers / Leverage

Go To

OR

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** She said she'd been in a prison. She never said it was as a prisoner - she might have been posing as staff, or she might have just plain broken into one. It's Parker. She might well break into a prison for fun
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** Honestly, I think you may all be over-thinking this. We don't see a lot of good rich people on the show for one very simple reason: a good rich person, by definition, isn't doing the kinds of things that attracts the team's attention.

to:

** Honestly, I think you may all be over-thinking this. We don't see a lot of good rich people on the show for one very simple reason: a good rich person, by definition, isn't doing the kinds of things that attracts attract the team's attention.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** Honestly, I think you may all be over-thinking this. We don't see a lot of good rich people on the show for one very simple reason: a good rich person, by definition, isn't doing the kinds of things that attracts the team's attention.

Added: 185

Changed: 580

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


*** This still doesn't really answer for in-universe though, especially since there was one for Catherine. My personal best guess is there is a Sophie Devereaux buried in that cemetary.




to:

*** She used the comms not her phone. They couldn't reach her phone. The thing is if she'd just picked it up, she would either be in her doorway or by a table, and neither is true. It's likely it was set to trigger with her specific walking gait (this makes sense as where she was in her home she wouldn't've reached her proper walking gait from her door until where she was) or some kind of timer (Hardison could do both so I presume Cha0s could), and she likely recognised the clicking sound as she didn't want Parker to even touch the glass so wouldn't dare risk looking at it.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** They probably did take the job, but it may not have required a full all-hands-on-deck con (like the ones we see in episodes) and was resolved with a much more simple operation.


Added DiffLines:

**** He ''wasn't the hitman.'' There ''was no hitman.'' The team jumped to the conclusion that Erlick had been ordered to take out the accountant, but later learned that Erlick had also found out about the scheme and was also a loose end that needed to be eliminated.


Added DiffLines:

**** And then it turns out that that was just Eliot's speculation and there's no evidence that Erlick ever received those instructions at all, considering that he was ''also a person they were trying to murder.'' As is ''clearly spelled out in the episode.''


Added DiffLines:

** It's also never shown that the crew could produce legal documents that stood up to international adoption scrutiny. If they let the Mortons keep Luka, that meant they would need to fill out paperwork to get him a passport to bring him back to the US, and that's paperwork Irina and the crew almost certainly didn't have and weren't willing/able to forge.


Added DiffLines:

** Public schools--yes. Private schools, like the one shown (especially expensive elite private schools)--anything goes.


Added DiffLines:

*** Chaos is a professional criminal. He understands the concept of aliases, and almost certainly wasn't stupid enough to think that wanted-in-all-of-Europe Sophie Devereaux was actually living under the name Sophie Devereaux.
** WordOfGod says that they had originally intended to have the headstone read Catherine, but realized that it worked much better for Sophie to be contemplating a headstone for "Sophie Devereaux" while deciding that she needed to bury the identity of Sophie and rediscover herself.

Added: 417

Changed: -2

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* I can understand how Latimer managed to figure out that the team would after all the companies explicitly named that he bet against, except Ernshaw Pharmaceuticals. There was no way he knew they were going to run a con against that company, heck the team didn’t even know they were going to run a con against that company until Parker came to them telling them that something was suspicious about the trial she had jury duty for. Did Latimer and Dubenich guess that Ernshaw Pharmaceuticals would end up on their radar eventually?

to:

* I can understand how Latimer managed to figure out that the team would after all the companies explicitly named that he bet against, except Ernshaw Earnshaw Pharmaceuticals. There was no way he knew they were going to run a con against that company, heck the team didn’t even know they were going to run a con against that company until Parker came to them telling them that something was suspicious about the trial she had jury duty for. Did Latimer and Dubenich guess that Ernshaw Earnshaw Pharmaceuticals would end up on their radar eventually?eventually?
** Depends on how much notice Latimer needed. The team decided to run a con on Earnshaw on short notice after the first day of the trial, but that trial took at least a week (and probably longer), and Sophie, Hardison, and Nate all appeared in the courtroom in public for unscrupulous people to notice. So if he could get his operation in gear quickly, he could have profited from Earnshaw Pharmaceuticals's downfall.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* I can understand how Latimer managed to figure out that the team would after all the companies explicitly named that he bet against, except Ernshaw Pharmaceuticals. There was no way he knew they were going to run a con against that company, heck the team didn’t even know they were going to run a con against that company until Parker came to them telling them that something was suspicious about the trial she had jury duty for. Did Latimer and Dubenich guess that Ernshaw Pharmaceuticals would end up on their radar eventually?
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Up To Eleven is a defunct trope


** It's Hollywood, and even among such, the writers seem to get their ethics from [[UpToEleven Occupy]]. The idea that economic might actually be a lot of interrelated things doesn't occur; the so-called BlackAndGreyMorality is in fact simply large business=EVIL.

to:

** It's Hollywood, and even among such, the writers seem to get their ethics from [[UpToEleven Occupy]].Occupy. The idea that economic might actually be a lot of interrelated things doesn't occur; the so-called BlackAndGreyMorality is in fact simply large business=EVIL.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** I sincerely doubt the Leverage team would leave a company so thoroughly destroyed it has to liquidate and fire people left and right- it would go against everything they do. They probably leave measures in place so that a new, better person can take over. Eliot is by far the hardest on members of the mafia and hired hits, people who WILL kill him. Security and the pink-shirted men who get their clothes stolen (seriously- two men in pink shirts at least!) only get knocked out, and Eliot is supposed to be very, very, ''very'' skilled- he probably only hits them hard enough and in just the right spot to knock the out- no more, no less. And they ''are'' bad guys- they frame people for things they never did all the time. Just because the crimes are related to what they were hired for doesn't make it right. Take "The 15 Minutes Job" for example- the mark is mostly just your garden variety douche, rather small potatoes compared to Monica Hunter even though they do the same thing. Later they find he killed his prom date while driving drunk and framed his friend for it. So what do they do? Build him up as a great vigilante and public hero, then rip him down by framing him for an additional DUI which he ran from, and provide evidence to the police that he committed the first DUI. Two counts of murder. Nate fully intended to use a child to get to his scheming father in "The Fairy Godparents Job" and wanted Sophie to just leave him once he fulfilled his usefulness in getting his dad out of the house. At the end of the first season, Sophie did exactly what Dubenich did at the start- used Nate's son's death selfishly. In her case, she wanted to target Blackpoole to get the First David, with Nate's revenge as just a nice plus. Her doing that forced the team to break up. They're not good people- they're just ''noble''. They care about justice, but not the truth. It's the end, not the means that matter.

to:

** I sincerely doubt the Leverage team would leave a company so thoroughly destroyed it has to liquidate and fire people left and right- it would go against everything they do. They probably leave measures in place so that a new, better person can take over. Eliot is by far the hardest on members of the mafia and hired hits, people who WILL kill him. Security and the pink-shirted men who get their clothes stolen (seriously- two men in pink shirts at least!) only get knocked out, and Eliot is supposed to be very, very, ''very'' skilled- he probably only hits them hard enough and in just the right spot to knock the out- no more, no less. And they ''are'' bad guys- they frame people for things they never did all the time. Just because the crimes are related to what they were hired for doesn't make it right. Take "The 15 Minutes Job" for example- the mark is mostly just your garden variety douche, rather small potatoes compared to Monica Hunter even though they do the same thing. Later they find he killed his prom date while driving drunk and framed his friend for it. So what do they do? Build him up as a great vigilante and public hero, then rip him down by framing him for an additional DUI which he ran from, and provide evidence to the police that he committed the first DUI. Two counts of murder. Nate fully intended to use a child to get to his scheming father stepfather in "The Fairy Godparents Job" and wanted Sophie to just leave him once he fulfilled his usefulness in getting his dad stepdad out of the house. At the end of the first season, Sophie did exactly what Dubenich did at the start- used Nate's son's death selfishly. In her case, she wanted to target Blackpoole to get the First David, with Nate's revenge as just a nice plus. Her doing that forced the team to break up. They're not good people- they're just ''noble''. They care about justice, but not the truth. It's the end, not the means that matter.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

*** Actually, WordOfGod points out that Parker is VERY good at running a con, or at least a caper. She constantly reveals she has plans going on, she can easily see the way in in numerous situations. The Gold Job was actually showing, much like the Scherazade job? Hardison doesn't have the knack to be in command. He's too smart. Great advisor, but he's too smart for his own good. Parker, unlike Hardison? KNOWS WHAT SHE CAN'T DO.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** It's actually canon in Leverage:Redemption that the group has an INCREDIBLY sophisticated algorithm that clears out all their records. The only issue is that it's not working against one of the perps.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** Because otherwise it kills the entire episode. "Roaming rooms" are a common conceit in fiction, that isn't recommended. It also only worked after the guys got physically INSIDE his base, and he used a different, specific one for each bit. They're NOT easy to guess, unless you know the exact specifics of his high school. Hardison also presumably did some tricks to disable any alarms from entering wrong passwords. He's also established as the kind of guy who is RIDICULOUSLY focused on this one specific time, and incredibly arrogant.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** [[spoiler: Also, if I recall...this scene happened when she was covering for her con. She's holding back a LOT of issues against Nate, and this is where they spill out. She's also mad that he's right, she DID cross the line and cause trouble. It sets up her 'apology' in the second half]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

**** He's gone through the 'last of his money' multiple times AND often had to pay for Tara's salary, according to WordOfGod. He basically doesn't SAVE, due to his mental issues. He spends all the money on Leverage Inc and Charity.

Changed: 40

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* In "The Fairy Godparents Job" the headmaster of a school suddenly disappears on a trip abroad for a couple of weeks, and the result is...some new head from outside the school gets brought in to take over for the duration? Is this a normal thing in America? Don't your schools have a deputy head or equivalent who would handle things while the head is away?

to:

* In "The Fairy Godparents Job" the headmaster of a school suddenly disappears on a trip abroad for a couple of weeks, and the result is...some new head from outside the school gets brought in to take over for the duration? Is this a normal thing in America? Don't your schools have a deputy head or equivalent who would equivalent, a teacher who's expected to handle things while if the head is away?absent?
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* In "The Fairy Godparents Job" the headmaster of a school suddenly disappears on a trip abroad for a couple of weeks, and the result is...some new head from outside the school gets brought in to take over for the duration? Is this a normal thing in America? Don't your schools have a deputy head or equivalent who would handle things while the head is away?
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* How could Duberman be so stupid with his passwords in "The Reunion Job"? They're basically plain text, and when you spot the common theme it's easy to guess. It would be fine for everyone else, but Hardison specifically says he wrote a brilliant text-book on cyber-security. Heck, he could at least permutate some letters with 1337-speak or something like that - easy to remember for yourself, but the time to brute-force it manually grows exponentially (and Elliot was doing it manually).
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** This actually helped answer a Headscratcher I was going to post until I read yours: it was done to throw Chaos off the trail[[note]]My Headscratcher would have been "Why wouldChaos believe Sophie was dead if they held a funeral for one of her aliases since he knew exactly who he was targeting?"[[/note]]. They needed to convince whoever sent the bomb that they had killed Sophie, because that who they were targeting. The funeral was held for Catherine for the sake of the people who knew her as such but the headstone was placed in order to send a message to the bomber that they had succeeded.

to:

** This actually helped answer a Headscratcher I was going to post until I read yours: it was done to throw Chaos off the trail[[note]]My Headscratcher would have been "Why wouldChaos would Chaos believe Sophie was dead if they held a funeral for one of her aliases since he knew exactly who he was targeting?"[[/note]]. They needed to convince whoever sent the bomb that they had killed Sophie, because that who they were targeting. The funeral was held for Catherine for the sake of the people who knew her as such but the headstone was placed in order to send a message to the bomber that they had succeeded.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** This actually helped answer a Headscratcher I was going to post until I read yours: it was done to throw Chaos off the trail[[note]]My Headscratcher would have been "Why wouldChaos believe Sophie was dead if they held a funeral for one of her aliases since he knew exactly who he was targeting?"[[/note]]. They needed to convince whoever sent the bomb that they had killed Sophie, because that who they were targeting. The funeral was held for Catherine for the sake of the people who knew her as such but the headstone was placed in order to send a message to the bomber that they had succeeded.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

*** In the Season 3 opener they mention the last of his money was used to set up the mark.
** The point of the show is they go after evil rich/powerful people. There's no need for them to interact with rich good people, not that they don't exist.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Top