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* For most of Rin's track, the writers seem to have completely forgotten that she is unable to dress, undress, bathe or go to the toilet without assistance. They put her in an attic room where she has to go outside onto a public city street on her way to the nearest person who might assist.

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* For most of Rin's track, route, the writers seem to have completely forgotten that she is unable to dress, undress, bathe or go to the toilet without assistance. They put her in an attic room where she has to go outside onto a public city street on her way to the nearest person who might assist.
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Per TRS, this was renamed to Sex Starts Story Stops


** Also, keep in mind that "forbidden" sex constitutes a fetish on itself. In another hentai visual novel, Season of Sakura, there is Sei, a very religious, Catholic girl, who dates the protagonist in a church and asks him to close his eyes. When he is told to open them, he finds Sei dressed as a nun. Then Sei confesses that she has decided to take the habits. CoitusEnsues. So, in the case that Lilly actually is a Catholic, it may be that she enjoys that part of breaking the rule and being a naughty girl.

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** Also, keep in mind that "forbidden" sex constitutes a fetish on itself. In another hentai visual novel, Season of Sakura, there is Sei, a very religious, Catholic girl, who dates the protagonist in a church and asks him to close his eyes. When he is told to open them, he finds Sei dressed as a nun. Then Sei confesses that she has decided to take the habits. CoitusEnsues.Coitus ensues. So, in the case that Lilly actually is a Catholic, it may be that she enjoys that part of breaking the rule and being a naughty girl.
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* So, why does this shed at a school for disabled students have a doorsill that is too high -- if slightly -- for people in wheelchairs to get over by themselves? And then store the gloves they would use in there?

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* So, why does this shed at a school for disabled students have a doorsill that is too high -- if slightly -- for people in wheelchairs to get over by themselves? And then store the gloves they would use in there?there?
** It was an excuse from Emi to get you in there, nothing more.
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*** Well, this is a VN where Misha first suggests Hisao call Shizune "Shiichan"... then when Shizune blushes, decides just calling her by her given name with ''no honorific'' is more appropriate, since it's ''less'' casual, which... as I understand it, really isn't how it works. This is kind of a mild problem I have with English dubs and subs, as well, in that I feel like they should either not use Japanese honorifics (but try to convey their meaning in English some other way), or go all the way and use them correctly, not just pick one (typically "-chan") and not-really-properly convey it in English.

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*** Well, this is a VN where Misha first suggests Hisao call Shizune "Shiichan"... then when Shizune blushes, decides just calling her by her given name with ''no honorific'' is more appropriate, since it's ''less'' casual, which... as I understand it, really isn't how it works. This is kind of a mild problem I have with English dubs and subs, as well, in that I feel like they should either not use Japanese honorifics (but try to convey their meaning in English some other way), or go all the way and use them correctly, not just pick one (typically "-chan") and not-really-properly convey it the rest in English.
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** The school is something of a closed community, isolated both physically and socially, with the students living there full time and only leaving regularly to go shopping. Such places have a tendency to develop their own social norms, particularly when the students already feel isolated in many cases. The real reason probably is non-Japanese writers writing from their own cultural viewpoint but there are reasons why it might be that way in-universe. It's also not without precedent; Tomoya from ''VisualNovel/{{Clannad}}'' (very definitely Japanese in origin) refers to a teacher simply as "Koumura" without an honorific and that was the teacher he actually ''liked.''

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** The school is something of a closed community, isolated both physically and socially, with the students living there full time and only leaving regularly to go shopping. Such places have a tendency to develop their own social norms, particularly when the students already feel isolated in many cases. The real reason probably is non-Japanese writers writing from their own cultural viewpoint but there are reasons why it might be that way in-universe. It's also not without precedent; Tomoya from ''VisualNovel/{{Clannad}}'' (very definitely Japanese in origin) refers to a teacher simply as "Koumura" without an honorific and that was the teacher he actually ''liked.''''
*** Well, this is a VN where Misha first suggests Hisao call Shizune "Shiichan"... then when Shizune blushes, decides just calling her by her given name with ''no honorific'' is more appropriate, since it's ''less'' casual, which... as I understand it, really isn't how it works. This is kind of a mild problem I have with English dubs and subs, as well, in that I feel like they should either not use Japanese honorifics (but try to convey their meaning in English some other way), or go all the way and use them correctly, not just pick one (typically "-chan") and not-really-properly convey it in English.
* So, why does this shed at a school for disabled students have a doorsill that is too high -- if slightly -- for people in wheelchairs to get over by themselves? And then store the gloves they would use in there?
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** The school is something of a closed community, isolated both physically and socially, with the students living there full time and only leaving regularly to go shopping. Such places have a tendency to develop their own social norms, particularly when the students already feel isolated in many cases. The real reason probably is non-Japanese writers writing from their own cultural viewpoint but there are reasons why it might be that way in-universe. It's also not without precedent; Tomoya from {VisualNovel/CLANNAD} (very definitely Japanese in origin) refers to a teacher simply as "Koumura" without an honorific and that was the teacher he actually ''liked.''

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** The school is something of a closed community, isolated both physically and socially, with the students living there full time and only leaving regularly to go shopping. Such places have a tendency to develop their own social norms, particularly when the students already feel isolated in many cases. The real reason probably is non-Japanese writers writing from their own cultural viewpoint but there are reasons why it might be that way in-universe. It's also not without precedent; Tomoya from {VisualNovel/CLANNAD} ''VisualNovel/{{Clannad}}'' (very definitely Japanese in origin) refers to a teacher simply as "Koumura" without an honorific and that was the teacher he actually ''liked.''
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** The school is something of a closed community, isolated both physically and socially, with the students living there full time and only leaving regularly to go shopping. Such places have a tendency to develop their own social norms, particularly when the students already feel isolated in many cases. The real reason probably is non-Japanese writers writing from their own cultural viewpoint but there are reasons why it might be that way in-universe. It's also not without precedent; Tomoya from VisualNovel/{CLANNAD} (very definitely Japanese in origin) refers to a teacher simply as "Koumura" without an honorific and that was the teacher he actually ''liked.''

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** The school is something of a closed community, isolated both physically and socially, with the students living there full time and only leaving regularly to go shopping. Such places have a tendency to develop their own social norms, particularly when the students already feel isolated in many cases. The real reason probably is non-Japanese writers writing from their own cultural viewpoint but there are reasons why it might be that way in-universe. It's also not without precedent; Tomoya from VisualNovel/{CLANNAD} {VisualNovel/CLANNAD} (very definitely Japanese in origin) refers to a teacher simply as "Koumura" without an honorific and that was the teacher he actually ''liked.''
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** The school is something of a closed community, isolated both physically and socially, with the students living there full time and only leaving regularly to go shopping. Such places have a tendency to develop their own social norms, particularly when the students already feel isolated in many cases. The real reason probably is non-Japanese writers writing from their own cultural viewpoint but there are reasons why it might be that way in-universe. It's also not without precedent; Tomoya from VisualNovel/CLANNAD refers to a teacher simply as "Koumura" without an honorific and that was the teacher he actually ''liked.''

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** The school is something of a closed community, isolated both physically and socially, with the students living there full time and only leaving regularly to go shopping. Such places have a tendency to develop their own social norms, particularly when the students already feel isolated in many cases. The real reason probably is non-Japanese writers writing from their own cultural viewpoint but there are reasons why it might be that way in-universe. It's also not without precedent; Tomoya from VisualNovel/CLANNAD VisualNovel/{CLANNAD} (very definitely Japanese in origin) refers to a teacher simply as "Koumura" without an honorific and that was the teacher he actually ''liked.''
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* While it can be difficult to get all the nuances of Japanese etiquette into an English language title, the use of last names occasionally comes off as a bit inconsistent. None of the students seem to use "Mr." or "Miss/Ms./Mrs." when referring to their teachers, but Lilly once calls Shizune "Miss Hakamichi" in the prologue (otherwise it's "the president" or "[[FirstNameBasis Shizune]]" depending on the scene), while Shizune calls Emi and Rin "Miss Ibarazaki" and "Miss Tezuka." The latter's somewhat workable as a literal translation of using last names and "-san" (it's a bit formal to English speakers, but it does underscore the cultural differences), but it seems a bit odd that they wouldn't use honorifics on a teacher, which would be very rude.

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* While it can be difficult to get all the nuances of Japanese etiquette into an English language title, the use of last names occasionally comes off as a bit inconsistent. None of the students seem to use "Mr." or "Miss/Ms./Mrs." when referring to their teachers, but Lilly once calls Shizune "Miss Hakamichi" in the prologue (otherwise it's "the president" or "[[FirstNameBasis Shizune]]" depending on the scene), while Shizune calls Emi and Rin "Miss Ibarazaki" and "Miss Tezuka." The latter's somewhat workable as a literal translation of using last names and "-san" (it's a bit formal to English speakers, but it does underscore the cultural differences), but it seems a bit odd that they wouldn't use honorifics on a teacher, which would be very rude.rude.
** The school is something of a closed community, isolated both physically and socially, with the students living there full time and only leaving regularly to go shopping. Such places have a tendency to develop their own social norms, particularly when the students already feel isolated in many cases. The real reason probably is non-Japanese writers writing from their own cultural viewpoint but there are reasons why it might be that way in-universe. It's also not without precedent; Tomoya from VisualNovel/CLANNAD refers to a teacher simply as "Koumura" without an honorific and that was the teacher he actually ''liked.''
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** There's no particular reason why she needs to become the belle of the ball or anything but Hanako is ''painfully'' shy and withdrawn, to the point of barely being able to speak to anyone outside Lilly and Hisao. I doubt she'll ever be an extravert but she can get to the point of no longer being terrified of the world. Being able to kiss her boyfriend in public is a good start, she can go from there. To compare with another girl in the [=VN=] Emi doesn't need to become dependant on Hisao (or anyone else's) help to get by but it does behove her to realise that there's nothing wrong with taking help that's offered. Neither girl needs to become something they are not but both are the better for not being entirely ruled by their natures.

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** There's no particular reason why she needs to become the belle of the ball or anything but Hanako is ''painfully'' shy and withdrawn, to the point of barely being able to speak to anyone outside Lilly and Hisao. I doubt she'll ever be an extravert but she can get to the point of no longer being terrified of the world. Being able to kiss her boyfriend in public is a good start, she can go from there. To compare with another girl in the [=VN=] Emi doesn't need to become dependant on Hisao (or anyone else's) help to get by but it does behove her to realise that there's nothing wrong with taking help that's offered. Neither girl needs to become something they are not but both are the better for not being entirely ruled by their natures.natures.

* While it can be difficult to get all the nuances of Japanese etiquette into an English language title, the use of last names occasionally comes off as a bit inconsistent. None of the students seem to use "Mr." or "Miss/Ms./Mrs." when referring to their teachers, but Lilly once calls Shizune "Miss Hakamichi" in the prologue (otherwise it's "the president" or "[[FirstNameBasis Shizune]]" depending on the scene), while Shizune calls Emi and Rin "Miss Ibarazaki" and "Miss Tezuka." The latter's somewhat workable as a literal translation of using last names and "-san" (it's a bit formal to English speakers, but it does underscore the cultural differences), but it seems a bit odd that they wouldn't use honorifics on a teacher, which would be very rude.
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** There's a difference between "not too happy" and "very angry." Sae can understand and manage with Rin leaving while still not being entirely content with it.



* I identify 100% with Rin and Hanako, and I am going through the same thing as Hisao in Hanako's route, that feeling of distance, lack of opening up, etc. That being said, I wonder, does he want her to stop being shy completely or does he just want her to not be lonely anymore? In the ending, she says that Hisao doesn't want her to be shy and that she wants to change her ways, but doesn't think she can... then he assures her that yes, she can change. Does that mean she'll open up more or try to modify herself? Shyness and introversion are sometimes seen as a flaw... I am probably overthinking. It does seem that she prefers a smaller circle of friends, and I think she might be naturally introverted (though her condition exacerbates that).

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* I identify 100% with Rin and Hanako, and I am going through the same thing as Hisao in Hanako's route, that feeling of distance, lack of opening up, etc. That being said, I wonder, does he want her to stop being shy completely or does he just want her to not be lonely anymore? In the ending, she says that Hisao doesn't want her to be shy and that she wants to change her ways, but doesn't think she can... then he assures her that yes, she can change. Does that mean she'll open up more or try to modify herself? Shyness and introversion are sometimes seen as a flaw... I am probably overthinking. It does seem that she prefers a smaller circle of friends, and I think she might be naturally introverted (though her condition exacerbates that).that).
** There's no particular reason why she needs to become the belle of the ball or anything but Hanako is ''painfully'' shy and withdrawn, to the point of barely being able to speak to anyone outside Lilly and Hisao. I doubt she'll ever be an extravert but she can get to the point of no longer being terrified of the world. Being able to kiss her boyfriend in public is a good start, she can go from there. To compare with another girl in the [=VN=] Emi doesn't need to become dependant on Hisao (or anyone else's) help to get by but it does behove her to realise that there's nothing wrong with taking help that's offered. Neither girl needs to become something they are not but both are the better for not being entirely ruled by their natures.
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* I identify 100% with Rin and Hanako, and I am going through the same thing as Hisao in Hanako's route, that feeling of distance, lack of opening up, etc. That being said, I wonder, does he want her to stop being shy completely or does he just want her to not be lonely anymore? In the ending, she says that Hisao doesn't want her to be shy and that she wants to change her ways, but doesn't think she can... then he assures her that yes, she can change. Does that mean she'll open up more or try to modify herself? Shyness and introversion are sometimes seen as a flaw... I am probably overthinking. It does seem that she prefers a smaller circle of friends, and I think she might be naturally introverted.

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* I identify 100% with Rin and Hanako, and I am going through the same thing as Hisao in Hanako's route, that feeling of distance, lack of opening up, etc. That being said, I wonder, does he want her to stop being shy completely or does he just want her to not be lonely anymore? In the ending, she says that Hisao doesn't want her to be shy and that she wants to change her ways, but doesn't think she can... then he assures her that yes, she can change. Does that mean she'll open up more or try to modify herself? Shyness and introversion are sometimes seen as a flaw... I am probably overthinking. It does seem that she prefers a smaller circle of friends, and I think she might be naturally introverted.introverted (though her condition exacerbates that).

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** Another answer would be hormones. They're young, from the opposite sex, and they like each other enough, they were alone and just did it...



** Lilly even makes a bit of a point of this at times, gently teasing people for getting embarrassed at saying things like that around her. She may be blind, but she doesn't '''see''' any reason to be offended by it, especially when it's such a common way of saying things.

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** Lilly even makes a bit of a point of this at times, gently teasing people for getting embarrassed at saying things like that around her. She may be blind, but she doesn't '''see''' any reason to be offended by it, especially when it's such a common way of saying things.things.

* I identify 100% with Rin and Hanako, and I am going through the same thing as Hisao in Hanako's route, that feeling of distance, lack of opening up, etc. That being said, I wonder, does he want her to stop being shy completely or does he just want her to not be lonely anymore? In the ending, she says that Hisao doesn't want her to be shy and that she wants to change her ways, but doesn't think she can... then he assures her that yes, she can change. Does that mean she'll open up more or try to modify herself? Shyness and introversion are sometimes seen as a flaw... I am probably overthinking. It does seem that she prefers a smaller circle of friends, and I think she might be naturally introverted.
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** Since most of the these group projects take place in Mutou's class, it would make sense if [[TheyJustDidntCare he just didn't care]].

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** Since most of the these group projects take place in Mutou's class, it would make sense if [[TheyJustDidntCare he just didn't care]].care.
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** Blind people often use the term "seeing". There's no reason to change your language just because you have a disability, and it just sounds awkward.

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** Blind people often use the term "seeing". There's no reason to change your language just because you have a disability, and it just sounds awkward.awkward.
** Lilly even makes a bit of a point of this at times, gently teasing people for getting embarrassed at saying things like that around her. She may be blind, but she doesn't '''see''' any reason to be offended by it, especially when it's such a common way of saying things.
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used the word \"retard\" in regards to a disabled person?? what


** She also stifles a giggle at several points - it's very obviously canon that she ''can'' vocalize, just not speak (or perhaps she can speak, but due to her deafness her speech sounds odd and distorted and so she chooses not to - many deaf people in real life do, and it would be entirely in-character for the proud, perfectionist Shizune to not want anyone to hear her sounding like a retard). Jigoro likely understands this, it's just that he's a borderline insanely harsh father and an utterly unreasonable person. Basically, he doesn't think deafness is any excuse for a girl to not be able to learn to speak like any other.

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** She also stifles a giggle at several points - it's very obviously canon that she ''can'' vocalize, just not speak (or perhaps she can speak, but due to her deafness her speech sounds odd and distorted and so she chooses not to - many deaf people in real life do, and it would be entirely in-character for the proud, perfectionist Shizune to not want anyone to hear her sounding like a retard).less than perfect). Jigoro likely understands this, it's just that he's a borderline insanely harsh father and an utterly unreasonable person. Basically, he doesn't think deafness is any excuse for a girl to not be able to learn to speak like any other.
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This Troper violation


* I played one of the beta's and I don't get how Lilly was a MarySueClassic like they said.
** She really isn't. Only her haters or people who never actually played her route accuse her of being a MarySue.
** I hazard a guess (at least for the final version): She acts like a messiah to both Hanako and Hisao and shoulders all her problems herself, while remaining TheOjou for just about everyone else. [[spoiler: It even took Hisao's heart to act up for her to realise where her true happiness lies and return to Japan.]]
** Lilly initially seems to have everything- wealth, intelligence, kindness, beauty, and even a good handle on her disability. Her flaws become apparent later on, especially considering she goes to great lengths to hide them, hence the fact that this turns out to be a deconstruction, as noted.
** Lilly does ''seem'' to be a "sue-ish" character. Every one of the main girls is a deconstruction of a common romantic VN heroine archetype, and Lilly is supposed to represent the "perfect, princesslike dream lady nobody actually fantasizes about anymore in real life because of the sheer unbelievability of it." [[spoiler: As her story shows, this is hardly a good thing - she is so obsessed with satisfying others and being what others think she should be that she never does what she herself wants, and her very overwhelming perfection and kindness actually make her best friends feel useless and miserable, having their every need easily tended to by a person who seems to have none of their own weaknesses.]]

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