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15th Mar '16 7:07:38 AM Antipathy
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*** Why would it matter if her business of arms trading goes away? Given she was able to sink the funds into creating Jormungand I think it is safe to say she is one of the richest people in the world.
15th Mar '16 7:03:29 AM Antipathy
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*** For the information control part people seem to forget the sat network put in place for the worlds military and presumably everyone else to use for any logistical use, and Koko just happened to build Jormungand into that network. Also it would not matter if Koko was killed because once the system was activated killing her would not stop it from still running. As for a "low tech" way of taking out a satellite well good luck with that, not sure there is any way "low tech" way of blowing up something orbiting a minimum of 93 miles (min altitude for an orbital sat) in the sky.

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*** For the information control part people seem to forget the sat network put in place for the worlds military and presumably everyone else to use for any logistical use, and Koko just happened to build Jormungand into that network. Also it would not matter if Koko was killed because once the system was activated killing her would not stop it from still running. As for a "low tech" way of taking out a satellite well good luck with that, not sure there is any way "low tech" way of blowing up something orbiting a minimum of 93 miles (min altitude for an orbital sat) in the sky.
15th Mar '16 7:02:56 AM Antipathy
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*** For the information control part people seem to forget the sat network put in place for the worlds military and presumably everyone else to use for any logistical use, and Koko just happened to build Jormungand into that network. Also it would not matter if Koko was killed because once the system was activated killing her would not stop it from still running. As for a "low tech" way of taking out a satellite well good luck with that, not sure there is any way "low tech" way of blowing up something orbiting a minimum of 93 miles (min altitude for an orbital sat) in the sky.
6th Jan '16 7:56:31 AM crazysamaritan
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*** Note that it's also not explained how in hell it's supposed to prevent missile warfare (up to, and including ICBMs). Missiles were born quite before GPS, the latter just gave some of them a terrifying accuracy. I got a feeling that the story originally included a subplot about ''hooking'' world's military on to some global information carrier, and only ''then'' going with the "hack them all" plan - but for some obscure reason the author decided to drop out that subplot completely.

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*** Note that it's also not explained how in hell it's supposed to prevent missile warfare (up to, and including ICBMs).[=ICBMs=]). Missiles were born quite before GPS, the latter just gave some of them a terrifying accuracy. I got a feeling that the story originally included a subplot about ''hooking'' world's military on to some global information carrier, and only ''then'' going with the "hack them all" plan - but for some obscure reason the author decided to drop out that subplot completely.
6th Mar '15 10:37:03 PM DesignatedNPC
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*** Given that Koko's plan has a large number of collateral damage ''built into it'', and that it's not even as well-orchestrated (or, arguably, as necessary) as Adrian Veidt's... Essentially, the entire series points to Koko being a zealot/fanatic, convinced that her plan will bring about world peace. If she believes that, she'd probably see any fallout as being worth the risk, since it's unlikely she'd consider the failure of her plan. That said, the "answers" given above are a ''huge'' assumption: It assumes, among many other things, that her control over information is absolute, and will ''stay'' absolute, even after her death. If it weren't for the fact that Koko is a BoringInvincibleHero, and is surrounded by the same, it's likely that someone would find a low-tech way to kill her and/or disable Jormungand soon enough, especially since she's just united a world against her. Not to mention the fact that, if all the world's information is ''already'' in the hands of someone who's killed hundreds of thousands of people and may choose to do the same at any time, the various nations might not be so concerned about the fallout of accidentally shooting down the wrong satellite when not even trying could have even worse consequences. Given Koko's actions, would anyone actually believe her if she said "Oh no, I just want peace!"

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*** Given that Koko's plan has a large number amount of collateral damage ''built into it'', and is so vaguely-outlined that it's not even as well-orchestrated (or, arguably, as necessary) as Adrian Veidt's...you really could believe it came from the mind of a lunatic... Essentially, the entire series points to Koko being a zealot/fanatic, convinced that her plan will bring about world peace. If she believes that, she'd probably see any fallout as being worth the risk, since it's unlikely she'd consider the failure of her plan. That said, the "answers" given above are a ''huge'' assumption: It assumes, among many other things, that her control over information is absolute, and will ''stay'' absolute, even after her death. If it weren't for the fact that Koko is a BoringInvincibleHero, and is surrounded by the same, it's likely that someone would find a low-tech way to kill her and/or disable Jormungand soon enough, especially since she's just united a world against her. Not to mention the fact that, if all the world's information is ''already'' in the hands of someone who's killed hundreds of thousands of people and may choose to do the same at any time, the various nations might not be so concerned about the fallout of accidentally shooting down the wrong satellite when not even trying could have even worse consequences. Given Koko's actions, would anyone actually believe her if she said "Oh no, I just want peace!"
6th Jan '15 12:20:05 PM DesignatedNPC
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*** But wait, there's more! The US, Russia, and China have all demonstrated the ability to shoot down satellites in orbit. There's no particular reason that Jormungand can't just be dismantled. Even if it's left in place, there's no reason to believe that it's going to be effective for much. Now that everyone knows that wireless communication is insecure, the armed forces of the world will probably just revert technologically a bit. We didn't have the internet or GPS back in the 1940's, and that didn't do much to slow down World War II. In the best case scenario, all Koko has really accomplished is to revitalize the postal service. More likely, she kicked off World War II.

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*** But wait, there's more! The US, Russia, and China have all demonstrated the ability to shoot down satellites in orbit. There's no particular reason that Jormungand can't just be dismantled. Even if it's left in place, there's no reason to believe that it's going to be effective for much. Now that everyone knows that wireless communication is insecure, the armed forces of the world will probably just revert technologically a bit. We didn't have the internet or GPS back in the 1940's, and that didn't do much to slow down World War II. In the best case scenario, all Koko has really accomplished is to revitalize the postal service. More likely, she kicked off World War II.III.
6th Jan '15 12:16:13 PM DesignatedNPC
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*** Given that Koko's plan has a large number of collateral damage ''built into it'', and that it's not even as well-orchestrated (or, arguably, as necessary) as Adrian Veidt's... Essentially, the entire series points to Koko being a zealot/fanatic, convinced that her plan will bring about world peace. If she believes that, she'd probably see any fallout as being worth the risk, since it's unlikely she'd consider the failure of her plan. That said, the "answers" given above are a ''huge'' assumption: It assumes, among many other things, that her control over information is absolute, and will ''stay'' absolute, even after her death. If it weren't for the fact that Koko is a BoringInvincibleHero, and is surrounded by the same, it's likely that someone would find a low-tech way to kill her and/or disable Jormungand soon enough, especially since she's just united a world against her.

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*** Given that Koko's plan has a large number of collateral damage ''built into it'', and that it's not even as well-orchestrated (or, arguably, as necessary) as Adrian Veidt's... Essentially, the entire series points to Koko being a zealot/fanatic, convinced that her plan will bring about world peace. If she believes that, she'd probably see any fallout as being worth the risk, since it's unlikely she'd consider the failure of her plan. That said, the "answers" given above are a ''huge'' assumption: It assumes, among many other things, that her control over information is absolute, and will ''stay'' absolute, even after her death. If it weren't for the fact that Koko is a BoringInvincibleHero, and is surrounded by the same, it's likely that someone would find a low-tech way to kill her and/or disable Jormungand soon enough, especially since she's just united a world against her. Not to mention the fact that, if all the world's information is ''already'' in the hands of someone who's killed hundreds of thousands of people and may choose to do the same at any time, the various nations might not be so concerned about the fallout of accidentally shooting down the wrong satellite when not even trying could have even worse consequences. Given Koko's actions, would anyone actually believe her if she said "Oh no, I just want peace!"
6th Jan '15 12:09:34 PM DesignatedNPC
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**** Note that it's also not explained how in hell it's supposed to prevent missile warfare (up to, and including ICBMs). Missiles were born quite before GPS, the latter just gave some of them a terrifying accuracy. I got a feeling that the story originally included a subplot about ''hooking'' world's military on to some global information carrier, and only ''then'' going with the "hack them all" plan - but for some obscure reason the author decided to drop out that subplot completely.
***** But wait, there's more! The US, Russia, and China have all demonstrated the ability to shoot down satellites in orbit. There's no particular reason that Jormungand can't just be dismantled. Even if it's left in place, there's no reason to believe that it's going to be effective for much. Now that everyone knows that wireless communication is insecure, the armed forces of the world will probably just revert technologically a bit. We didn't have the internet or GPS back in the 1940's, and that didn't do much to slow down World War II. In the best case scenario, all Koko has really accomplished is to revitalize the postal service. More likely, she kicked off World War II.
****** Answers to almost all those questions are easy enough, assuming that by hacking and controlling the information and logistics involved, one could easily misdirect anything in the air to someplace it really shouldn't go. Like what she did with the Night Nine, by feeding them a false map. With airplanes, flights longer than to your own private field and back require logistical ground support to direct them to their intended location, as well as to help with issues like extreme weather patterns. For missiles, yes, in flight, there are plenty of missiles that go to a broad, inexact location, but to launch one accurately, one must have some kind of map one could put coordinates into for the missile to go to. They don't magically know where to go, after all. And finally, the reason they CAN'T take Jormungand out of the sky is simple: It's close to impossible to tell which satellites are which from the ground, and it wouldn't be too hard to keep all information pertaining to Jormungand to a very limited few. Even if you could find out about it, and tell which one it is consistently, you can't launch a missile at it without a lot of work. Which can't be done because all the information is controlled.
****** That still doesn't ensure world peace at all. All she did was keep fighting restricted to sea and land which is coincidentally quite beneficial to an arms dealer. Now, instead of accurate missiles being used to fight, inaccurate missiles are gonna be used to fight and will probably cause a lot of collateral damage. Koko's plan is highly unviable(well she is insane) and if anything was to go wrong with Jormungand, she might not be able to do anything about it being the world's number 1 target for killing hundreds of thousands of people and such...

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**** *** Note that it's also not explained how in hell it's supposed to prevent missile warfare (up to, and including ICBMs). Missiles were born quite before GPS, the latter just gave some of them a terrifying accuracy. I got a feeling that the story originally included a subplot about ''hooking'' world's military on to some global information carrier, and only ''then'' going with the "hack them all" plan - but for some obscure reason the author decided to drop out that subplot completely.
***** *** But wait, there's more! The US, Russia, and China have all demonstrated the ability to shoot down satellites in orbit. There's no particular reason that Jormungand can't just be dismantled. Even if it's left in place, there's no reason to believe that it's going to be effective for much. Now that everyone knows that wireless communication is insecure, the armed forces of the world will probably just revert technologically a bit. We didn't have the internet or GPS back in the 1940's, and that didn't do much to slow down World War II. In the best case scenario, all Koko has really accomplished is to revitalize the postal service. More likely, she kicked off World War II.
****** *** Answers to almost all those questions are easy enough, assuming that by hacking and controlling the information and logistics involved, one could easily misdirect anything in the air to someplace it really shouldn't go. Like what she did with the Night Nine, by feeding them a false map. With airplanes, flights longer than to your own private field and back require logistical ground support to direct them to their intended location, as well as to help with issues like extreme weather patterns. For missiles, yes, in flight, there are plenty of missiles that go to a broad, inexact location, but to launch one accurately, one must have some kind of map one could put coordinates into for the missile to go to. They don't magically know where to go, after all. And finally, the reason they CAN'T take Jormungand out of the sky is simple: It's close to impossible to tell which satellites are which from the ground, and it wouldn't be too hard to keep all information pertaining to Jormungand to a very limited few. Even if you could find out about it, and tell which one it is consistently, you can't launch a missile at it without a lot of work. Which can't be done because all the information is controlled.
****** *** That still doesn't ensure world peace at all. All she did was keep fighting restricted to sea and land which is coincidentally quite beneficial to an arms dealer. Now, instead of accurate missiles being used to fight, inaccurate missiles are gonna be used to fight and will probably cause a lot of collateral damage. Koko's plan is highly unviable(well implausible (well she is insane) and if anything was to go wrong with Jormungand, she might not be able to do anything about it being the world's number 1 target for killing hundreds of thousands of people and such...
*** Given that Koko's plan has a large number of collateral damage ''built into it'', and that it's not even as well-orchestrated (or, arguably, as necessary) as Adrian Veidt's... Essentially, the entire series points to Koko being a zealot/fanatic, convinced that her plan will bring about world peace. If she believes that, she'd probably see any fallout as being worth the risk, since it's unlikely she'd consider the failure of her plan. That said, the "answers" given above are a ''huge'' assumption: It assumes, among many other things, that her control over information is absolute, and will ''stay'' absolute, even after her death. If it weren't for the fact that Koko is a BoringInvincibleHero, and is surrounded by the same, it's likely that someone would find a low-tech way to kill her and/or disable Jormungand soon enough, especially since she's just united a world against her.



8th Mar '14 3:46:33 AM Ominae
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* Why, with a clear shot at both Orchestra assassins, did a veteran soldier who had a suppressed weapon and demonstrated accuracy with it, not kill them both? Lehm was standing BEHIND both, and instead stands around calling in heavier weapons and directing team members to better positions. The entire episode 3 gunfight made me groan aloud.

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\n** Who knows that she may have her own way of ensuring world peace.

* Why, with a clear shot at both Orchestra assassins, did a veteran soldier who had a suppressed weapon and demonstrated accuracy with it, not kill them both? Lehm was standing BEHIND both, and instead stands around calling in heavier weapons and directing team members to better positions. The entire episode 3 gunfight made me groan aloud.aloud.
** I thought that Chinatsu was able to "sense" Lehm's incoming shots when he attempted to shoot Maestro.
7th Jan '14 12:53:41 PM Tormound
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******That still doesn't ensure world peace at all. All she did was keep fighting restricted to sea and land which is coincidentally quite beneficial to an arms dealer. Now, instead of accurate missiles being used to fight, inaccurate missiles are gonna be used to fight and will probably cause a lot of collateral damage. Koko's plan is highly unviable(well she is insane) and if anything was to go wrong with Jormungand, she might not be able to do anything about it being the world's number 1 target for killing hundreds of thousands of people and such...
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