History Headscratchers / JackRyan

12th Sep '14 4:35:02 PM cliffc999
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** The Tucker drug case also has several other avenues where federal jurisdiction could be asserted -- its an international smuggling case (and the heroin is being smuggled in via the coffins of US military servicemembers killed in Vietnam, no less), its a major interstate narcotics trafficking case, and the victims were themselves persons of interest in the death of a witness in another state (the girl in Pittsburgh). Piaggi is also a "made man" in the Mafia, and an investigation into the deaths of him and his associates (especially when it occurs in the middle of a heroin processing facility) could be taken over by the FBI's Organized Crime Bureau.
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** The Tucker drug case also has several other avenues In addition to the part where federal jurisdiction could be asserted -- its an international smuggling this entire case (and is a giant multi-jurisdictional mess once all the heroin separate pieces are revealed to be part of one single crime spree (heroin is being imported from Asia by being smuggled in via the coffins of US military servicemembers killed in Vietnam, no less), its then processed and sold to a major interstate narcotics trafficking case, and the victims were themselves persons of interest in the death of a witness in another state (the girl in Pittsburgh). Piaggi is also a "made man" of a Mafia family, then shipped across several states, and then witnesses are killed in multiple states as part of covering up this criminal conspiracy? How many separate agencies and police departments are potentially invited in by all of this? Ten? Twelve?), parts of John Kelly's own crime spree occurs onboard a boat in navigable coastal waters, which is the Mafia, and an Coast Guard's jurisdiction. ** It gets better. While the original police investigation into wouldn't know about this, once John confesses to ''everything'' he does, that includes killing the deaths of him and his associates (especially when it occurs guy in New Orleans ''and'' the middle of a heroin processing facility) could be taken over by dude he executes via pressure chamber on the FBI's Organized Crime Bureau.island. At this point he's killed people in multiple states ''and'' on federal land.
12th Sep '14 4:26:07 PM cliffc999
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** The Tucker drug case also has several other avenues where federal jurisdiction could be asserted -- its an international smuggling case (and the heroin is being smuggled in via the coffins of US military servicemembers killed in Vietnam, no less), its a major interstate narcotics trafficking case, and the victims were themselves persons of interest in the death of a witness in another state (the girl in Pittsburgh). Piaggi is also a "made man" in the Mafia, and an investigation into the deaths of him and his associates (especially when it occurs in the middle of a heroin processing facility) could be taken over by the FBI's Organized Crime Bureau.
10th Sep '14 3:30:42 PM cliffc999
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** John Kelly is also a government employee (for the CIA) during the time period he commits his crimes - they can assert federal jurisdiction on this basis.
11th May '14 1:05:14 PM LongLiveHumour
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** Also, it's acknowledged in the book that while the knighthood is technically honorary, as a US citizen can't hold one under US law, it's treated as being a legitimate, full one as far as personal interactions in the UK are concerned, as a show of respect for Ryan. See also the knighthoods given to Nimitz, Eisenhower, and some other US flag officers of major commands during WorldWar2, plus other US citizens in RealLife who've been knighted.
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** Also, it's acknowledged in the book that while the knighthood is technically honorary, as a US citizen can't hold one under US law, it's treated as being a legitimate, full one as far as personal interactions in the UK are concerned, as a show of respect for Ryan. See also the knighthoods given to Nimitz, Eisenhower, and some other US flag officers of major commands during WorldWar2, UsefulNotes/WorldWar2, plus other US citizens in RealLife who've been knighted.
12th Feb '13 6:36:50 PM Lightning4119
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** If memory serves, John Kelly does try to flee on his boat in order to fake his death and become John Clark. This troper can't remember if it's mentioned, but it's entirely possible that this would make it a federal investigation, and covered under the President's jurisdiction.
22nd Jun '12 3:07:46 PM Achaemenid
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*** If we're going by commonly accepted US law ''(or at least the current Constitutional interpretation)'', then Americans ''are'' allowed to accept knighthoods or titles from foreign dignitaries, but are not allowed to accept any of the more tangible benefits that come with such grants, like lands or incomes. So it's okay for Jack Ryan to accept a knighthood, maybe with a nice framed commission or plaque. But if Her Majesty were to offer him a lordship for whatever reason, then we'd be running into trouble.
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*** If we're going by commonly accepted US law ''(or at least the current Constitutional interpretation)'', then Americans ''are'' allowed to accept knighthoods or titles from foreign dignitaries, but are not allowed to accept any of the more tangible benefits that come with such grants, like lands or incomes. So it's okay for Jack Ryan to accept a knighthood, maybe with a nice framed commission or plaque. But if Her Majesty were to offer him a lordship for whatever reason, then we'd be running into trouble. trouble. ** She could technically only bestow the title and not the positions on him. Or she could give him an unused title.

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** His stated title Minister Without Portfolio, which is usually a sinecure position. It is mentioned his involvement in politics dates back to Mao. I admit this is pure speculation on my part, but perhaps he managed, due to his lowly position, to "keep paddling" through the storms of Mao's fall, and simply used his considerable intelligence to accrue more and more power and influence throughout the subsequent Chinese governments.

** In the worst case scenario, he also has a very high chance of [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury_nullification_in_the_United_States jury nullification.]]

** I can't speak as to the former, but the latter was never named explicitly in TOTT, so it could be another guy who got offed instead.
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** I can't speak as to the former, but the latter was never named explicitly in TOTT, so it could be another guy who got offed instead.
19th Jan '12 1:28:55 AM Rpgingmaster
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** Pretty much. Clancy was very coy with his exact position in the Chinese government, except to make sure we knew it was very high up since ''Debt Of Honor''. In fact, in DOH, Yamata tries to seek sanctuary in Zhang's country once things go south, and Zhang's level of prior assistance and the fact he doesn't want to help Yamata due to the political fallout tells us Zhang is very high up in the government, and since he shows up again in a position where the Chinese Foreign Minster defers to him (and he again is playing TheChessmaster), his position is made a little more clear. However, by TBATD, when the whole MythArc ends, he apparently saw little need in trying to conceal anything, especially since Zhang flat out confirms (in private to his associates and at second hand via spy intercepts) his role in the past two books, and in TBATD we learn he's been the string puller behind the mainland Chinese government's expansionist goals the whole time.

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** I can't speak as to the former, but the latter was never named explicitly in TOTT, so it could be another guy who got offed instead.
19th Jan '12 12:49:14 AM PaulA
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