History Headscratchers / HeroesMiscellaneous

** Now, if Claire were to suddenly disappear without explanation, Nancy Grace and the Creator/FoxNewsChannel wouldn't rest until they found out exactly what happened to that [[MissingWhiteWomanSyndrome poor, innocent, young, beautiful, blonde, white cheerleader]].

*** Yeah, sorry for my li'l misinterpretation. And just-slightly-Above Troper, we ''do'' actually have a trope for that. DanBrowned. XD

* Oh no, I'm pretty sure you're not the only one who thought this. I've been quite shocked the wide talent ''Heroes'' has managed to attract for its guest spots, only to see them killed off. I'm a ''Series/VeronicaMars'' fan so (in addition to the yummy Kristen Bell) was pretty stoked to see Francis Capra (Weevil) appear. Then he's offed. And Marlo Stanfield/Jamie Hector goes from promising villain to sitting in the background glaring, and Tobolowsky/Bob Bishop, leader of the super-powerful company is (as you said) offed offscreen. If they're going to just have them appear, then die, so many of these parts could of gone to smaller-name actors (says the troper with an admitted 0% entertainment-industry knowledge, but still).

This isn't a plothole issue, it's just a question. How on earth did Linderman become a villain? He was a true hero back in the day, even if he was willing to make sacrifices. Next thing he's a mafia overlord who is willing to commit mass murder "for the greater good". I'd be interested to know how he became corrupt. Probably something to do with Adam Monroe.

* Sounds more like an overall case of bad writing than an issue with the actors, who just happen to be caught in the blast. Which, if I'm not mistaken, [[Administrivia/TakeItToTheForums belongs on the forums]] rather than JustBugsMe. (By the way, you forgot Malcolm [=MacDowell=].)

** I think that invisibility essentially erases him from everyone's sight similar the way GhostInTheShell does it. It's a psychic ability that screws with the eyes and the brain. Though that doesn't explain how to see other invisible people or objects, unless they cancel each other out.

** Now, if Claire were to suddenly disappear without explanation, Nancy Grace and the FoxNewsChannel wouldn't rest until they found out exactly what happened to that [[MissingWhiteWomanSyndrome poor, innocent, young, beautiful, blonde, white cheerleader]].

* Oh no, I'm pretty sure you're not the only one who thought this. I've been quite shocked the wide talent ''Heroes'' has managed to attract for its guest spots, only to see them killed off. I'm a ''VeronicaMars'' fan so (in addition to the yummy Kristen Bell) was pretty stoked to see Francis Capra (Weevil) appear. Then he's offed. And Marlo Stanfield/Jamie Hector goes from promising villain to sitting in the background glaring, and Tobolowsky/Bob Bishop, leader of the super-powerful company is (as you said) offed offscreen. If they're going to just have them appear, then die, so many of these parts could of gone to smaller-name actors (says the troper with an admitted 0% entertainment-industry knowledge, but still).

* Sounds more like an overall case of bad writing than an issue with the actors, who just happen to be caught in the blast. Which, if I'm not mistaken, [[Main/TakeItToTheForums belongs on the forums]] rather than JustBugsMe. (By the way, you forgot Malcolm [=MacDowell=].)

** Define "important." He was the lynchpin of the villains' electoral fraud plan in Volume 1 and pretty much single handedly led the resistance in V4 while every other hero was fighting to get their thumb out.

** Personally stand behind the idea that the superpowers are ''memetic'' rather than genetic in nature (i.e., the abilities don't have any physical basis). Isn't suggested at all in the series, and it doesn't come close to solving all the problems, but it would explain how Sylar can somehow "learn" someone's superpower by dissecting them (It is a shame the writers never thought of it that way because it would help introduce some new evolutionary theories).

* Well, not to be cynical, but it's not like [[http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2007/06/07/council-europe-secret-cia-prisons-confirmed exposing the crimes of the US Government]] [[http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2009/jan/21/barack-obama-guantanamo-trials to the media]] In RealLife has [[RippedFromTheHeadlines stopped]] [[ButItReallyHappened anything]] [[TruthInTelevision before]].

[[JackieChanAdventures One More Thing!]] Is anyone else annoyed that they set up the big "when will he start to learn the truth?" question only to blow any suspense with the first five minutes of Chapter Five, all but saying "he's already learning?"

** I ''can'' [[MST3KMantra Mantra]] my way through, it just bugs me. And hey, this is the "It Just Bugs Me" page, isn't it? I like the rest of the show.

** Especially since it's established in the Season 1 finale that Niki '''does''' have super strength when she's still herself, and it was her own mental block that was preventing it. It's Niki, not Jessica, that beats up Candice, and smacks Sylar with the parking meter.

* First season, it was a [[Main/AnyoneCanDie anyone can die]] kind of show. Charlie, Isaac, Ted - all plot-important characters, all died and stayed dead. I think what happened was that Sylar stopped going after main characters at all. Now that he's got his powers back, we might see more people being [[Main/KilledOffForReal killed off for real]].

** He wasn't trying to fake Claude's death. He was trying to kill him but failed.

** He probably found a level 5 escapee who looked trustworthy and left her with him. This escapee, of course, has the superpower of ''eating children''.

*** Well, real eclipses don't appear simultaneously all over the world, so aside from the two “special� eclipses that did, I’ll assume they just weren’t under the correct spot at the time.

***** It was in fact a massive waffle passing in front of the sun.

** Malcom Mcdowell was a case of them just not having the cash to keep him around for too long. Unless you're talking about that ridiculous Illusion/Dream/Waffle thing that Maury put in Nathan and Daphne's head in which case yeah...that was a waste. If their gonna bring him back, at least actually USE the character, not some bullshit "Illusion" based copy of the character.

This isn't for complaining, but really, this is a question. How the hell did they go from a stellar first season...to this crap? This use to be my favorite show, and now...it's just awful. None of the character's motives make sense, now they're just dancing around waiting for the show to get cancelled which it inevitably will at this rate. I mean seriously, if he can write a good first season, why not a second and third?
* This troper's first theory:
** Bryan Fuller was doing far more than he was ever given credit for. ''Pushing Daisies'' was ordered to pilot in January of ''Heroes'' first season, and casting for PD was confirmed (and presumably started filming) around the time ''Heroes'' would have been working on the very end of season 1 in February/March-ish.

* There's also the problem that none of our five main fugitive heroes would be a particularly credible witness, given their backgrounds are FULL of things that any competent lawyer or journalist would consider before telling their story or using them as a witness in a criminal case.

*** That's the most logical answer. There's no way a group of teenagers could have achieved what the Company hyave achieved and, as has been mentioned, it contradicts EVERYTHING previously said about the Company. So logically Angela's prophecy didn't mean that they were going to form a Company right that minute, but that one day they would do so. So War Buddies occurs as normal, with Linderman meeting Arthur. Then in the seventies Adam tracks some of them down and Angela, whose forseen this in her vision, understands the time is right and lets the others know.

* It's quite hard to reconcile Chandra Suresh's presence in this episode with, well, anything. The company had Dr. Zimmerman, who had apparently created a working genetic modification formula by the time ''Niki'' was born, in the 70s or so, but they'd still want Suresh either working for them or dead. I don't think there was any mention that Suresh was trying to blow the lid on superpowered people until recently--I can only assume this means that he wasn't motivated to until Shanti's death, at which point he brings out his theories, publishes his book, gets kicked out of the university, moves to America, and ''then'' attracts the Company's attention. However, this still doesn't make any sense because supposedly the human genome project was what he based all his research on...but they already had the formula in the 70s...and...oh, whatever. And what about Sylar being his "patient zero"? I get the sinking feeling that if I rewatch season 1 with this episode in mind, Mohinder's story would seem like a ShaggyDogStory, all because this one jackass didn't mention his father's files in storage until just now. It's like Roy asking the oracle the wrong question in ''Webcomic/OrderOfTheStick''. (GM: You're sure you wouldn't rather check with the landlord? Mohinder: No, I'd rather talk to this cute neighbor. GM: Hrr...fine. Hang on a second. * frantically scribbles notes about her secretly being a mind controlling Company agent* )
** Actually, you COULD explain most of that away witht he idea that Chandra was one of the ones who was mind-wiped to cover-up Coyote Sands. This was early enough in The Company's evolution where they might still be idealistic enough to think they could just "blank" him and that would be the end of it. That could cause him to forget all his research and then start over with the project again in the 1970s with the human genome project, in which case his book, his research and his honest surprise at Sylar's powers confirming all of his theories in one shot are all explained away by "he just didn't know", apart from nightmares that apparently haunted him. In this case, the question is "Why didn't The Company do something to stop him from publishing his book or recruit him after his book was published and his reputation ruined?", as they did with Mohinder in Season 2? Even if they weren't watching Chandra all this time, you'd think with their connections SOMEONE would have heard something about this book or that Angela would have seen it coming...

** It's been confirmed by Word of God that Chandra was mind wiped by Charles Deveaux.

[[spoiler: So Nathan was killed by Sylar, and in order to restore the status quo, Angela and Noah made Matt essentially brainwash Sylar into becoming Nathan. Obviously that will cause some massive conflict that will surely end at some point with Nathlar/Sythan/whatever cute [[FanNickname Fan Nickname]] he will be given remembering that he is Sylar, but the obvious future plot development is not my problem. No, my problem is that apparently they all just forget that ''CLAIRE HAS HEALING BLOOD!'' Seriously, we ''know'' Noah even knows that she can heal others because ''he'' was brought back to life with her blood! Why the hell then did they do what they did rather than just heal Nathan and and after that find a way to kill or at least incapacitate Sylar for good? The whole thing just seems overly complicated and moronic.]]

[[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/JackieChanAdventures One More Thing!]] Is anyone else annoyed that they set up the big "when will he start to learn the truth?" question only to blow any suspense with the first five minutes of Chapter Five, all but saying "he's already learning?"

** Legal Nerdwank: You can sue US Federal Government for 4th Amendment violations (this being an Unreasonable Seizure). The Supreme Court authorized suits against the agents specifically in [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bivens_v._Six_Unknown_Named_Agents Bivens v. Six Unknown Named Agents of Federal Bureau of Narcotics]]. And the [[http://www.answers.com/topic/federal-tort-claims-act Federal Tort Claims Act]] waives sovereign immunity in cases of false imprisonment by Federal Agents, allowing you to sue the Government itself.
** It's been hinted that Tracy may well be organising them in a plan to get revenge for all that's been done to them.

* In ''Heroes'', invisiblity seems to be a mental power, not a physical one. When Peter is invisible, he can see Claude plain as day, and vice versa.

** I think that invisibility essentially erases him from everyone's sight similar the way {{Ghost in the Shell}} does it. It's a psychic ability that screws with the eyes and the brain. Though that doesn't explain how to see other invisible people or objects, unless they cancel each other out.

Now Mohinder has more less stragiht up SuperStrength, but this is more or less the first time in the show it's happened. Let's go through all the strength humans. First there was Nikki/Jessica, who at first couldn't use her power at all unless she turned into her psychopathic alternate self, and then he barely saw her use it as the effects were so gruesome. Then she finally gets reconciled, but she hardly ever used it all in season two. Then we have ScaryBlackMan Knox, who can't even use his power unless somebody gets scared. Earlier, Mohinder was turning into a cockroach due to his power.

I feel like I'm not supposed to think this way, and I can't help but make a little theory saying that writing a deception

'''Volume One''' started with an eclipse on October 1st, 2006.

'''Volume Four''' doesn't start with an exact date either but we do find out later on, as Matt is ripping memories from Noah regarding how the government-backed power-hunting team was formed, that it all started five weeks earlier.

If Ted is radioactive, then why doesn't he decay?

Just the existence of Micah. He bugs me.

* You're thinking of the immortals in {{Highlander}}.

** We already have that one, it's called Main/PlotInducedStupidity.

1 - Other than [[PlotInducedStupidity the]] [[IdiotHero obvious]] [[IdiotBall reasons]], anyway.

** I feel all of this, as well as Elle's changes discussed below, are purely so the writers can ham-handedly continue their mission to "redeem" [[TheWesley Sylar]]. Considering the man cut a path through the United States, and made a ''damn good villain'' doing so, this troper isn't accepting it. It reeks of pandering to the fanbase.