History Headscratchers / Hercules

19th Mar '18 1:11:00 AM Grace-the-Ace
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* Meta: Is there any reason why Disney hasn't tried to do some sort of reboot or remake of ''Hercules''? I don't mean just a retelling of this same story with the same anachronisms and the goofy tone, but just a new take on depicting one of the stories of Ancient Greece. They've had two movies about life on the Polynesian islands and two of them concerning Pre-Columbian natives, so why would making another movie about the myths of Ancient Greece be that much of a stretch? I've seen this movie so many times, and the narrator's first few words before the Muses cut in have always given me such an epic image of how such a movie could play out, if done right.

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* Meta: Is there any reason why Disney hasn't tried to do some sort of reboot or remake of ''Hercules''? I don't mean just a retelling of this same story with the same anachronisms and the goofy tone, but just a new take on depicting one of the stories of Ancient Greece. They've had two movies about life on the Polynesian islands and two of them concerning Pre-Columbian natives, so why would making another movie about the myths of Ancient Greece be that much of a stretch? I've seen this movie so many times, and the narrator's first few words before the Muses cut in have always given me such an epic image imae of how such a movie could play out, if done right.



** If they can foresee events that will happen in the future, then presumably they're also all-knowing with regard to things from the past. Maybe Hades fooled them into coming by saying he needed info about a past event, possibly a misdeed of someone who ended up in the underworld, or something like that.

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** If they can foresee events that will happen in the future, then presumably they're also all-knowing with regard to things from the past. Maybe Hades fooled them into coming by saying he needed info about a past event, possibly a misdeed of someone who ended up in the underworld, or something like that.that.

* Why did the boys in the beginning make fun of Herc? There are three things that puzzle me about it.
1. They seemed more scared of him when they first saw him. If you were terrified of someone, would you seriously smack talk them when you were standing less than 20 feet away from them, well within their earshot?
2. I know he was clumsy and all, but being physically strong pulled a lot of weight back then (pun not intended).
3. It was technically their discus that broke the column, not his absurd amount of physical strength. If I remember the scene right, they threw it over his head and he jumped up to catch it, and instead of coming down, it kept flying with Herc still attached and made him bash into the column. (I haven't watched it in a while so I might be remembering this part wrong though)
12th Mar '18 12:46:38 PM bitemytail
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*** Actually, Herc fights the Hydra just ''before'' "Zero to Hero. He's also shown wearing the pelt of the Nemean Lion...even ''if'' that lion turned out to actually be [[TheLionKing Scar]]. "Zero to Hero" also includes him defeating a giant monster bird, which is probably supposed to be a stand-in for the multiple Stymphalian Birds.

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*** Actually, Herc fights the Hydra just ''before'' "Zero to Hero. He's also shown wearing the pelt of the Nemean Lion...even ''if'' that lion turned out to actually be [[TheLionKing [[Disney/TheLionKing Scar]]. "Zero to Hero" also includes him defeating a giant monster bird, which is probably supposed to be a stand-in for the multiple Stymphalian Birds.
27th Feb '18 2:52:16 AM CthonisPrincess
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** Hercules (Actually Heracles) in mythology was a gatekeeper of Olympus (Basically he was one of the guardians of Olympus), as well as being the divine protector of mankind (Which explains why he was able to reside on earth despite still being a god). But more importantly he was worshipped as a god of several different things: God of strength, heroes, sports, athletes, health, agriculture, fertility, trade, oracles. Key word mentioned: A god of health, meaning that he simply healed Megara and we see him onscreen rapidly healing from the injuries inflicted on him by the Cyclops. Meaning hat he ''does'' have that ability.


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** Hercules in mythology was a god of health and we see him onscreen rapidly healing from the injuries inflicted on him by the Cyclops.
1st Feb '18 7:36:14 PM sjh4889
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** Maybe he assumed that, as the son of Zeus, Hercules's soul was sent to Elysian Fields instead of the Underworld?
13th Jan '18 5:21:39 PM sugaricequeen
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* "We're not supposed to reveal the future!" Then why did The Fates agree to meet up with Hades in the first place? Why else would he schedule a meeting with them? And, since they can see into the future, they should have known he'd ask about the future in the first place! What, did they think he was inviting them over for tea and crumpets or something?

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* "We're not supposed to reveal the future!" Then why did The Fates agree to meet up with Hades in the first place? Why else would he schedule a meeting with them? And, since they can see into the future, they should have known he'd ask about the future in the first place! What, did they think he was inviting them over for tea and crumpets or something?something?
** If they can foresee events that will happen in the future, then presumably they're also all-knowing with regard to things from the past. Maybe Hades fooled them into coming by saying he needed info about a past event, possibly a misdeed of someone who ended up in the underworld, or something like that.
1st Jan '18 5:13:00 PM Brandon
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* "We're not supposed to reveal the future!" Then why did The Fates agree to meet up with hades in the first place? Why else would he schedule a meeting with them? And, since they can see into the future, they should have known he'd ask about the future in the first place! What, did they think he was inviting them over for tea and crumpets or something?

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* "We're not supposed to reveal the future!" Then why did The Fates agree to meet up with hades Hades in the first place? Why else would he schedule a meeting with them? And, since they can see into the future, they should have known he'd ask about the future in the first place! What, did they think he was inviting them over for tea and crumpets or something?
1st Jan '18 5:12:30 PM Brandon
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* "We're not supposed to reveal the future!" Then why did The Fates agree to meet up with hades in the first place? Why else would he schedule a meeting with them? And, since they can see into the future, they should have known he'd ask about the future in the first place! What, did they think he was inviting them over for teamed crumpets or something?

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* "We're not supposed to reveal the future!" Then why did The Fates agree to meet up with hades in the first place? Why else would he schedule a meeting with them? And, since they can see into the future, they should have known he'd ask about the future in the first place! What, did they think he was inviting them over for teamed tea and crumpets or something?
1st Jan '18 5:12:12 PM Brandon
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** If you just look further up a few entries, you'll find that this question has already been answered - Zeus didn't take away Herc's godliness in the end, rather, Herc surrendered it and gave it up himself, which is something any god would seem to be able to do. Also, don't expect the powers of the gods in the myths to be synonymous with the powers of the ones in the Disney Animated Canon. They're two different things.

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** If you just look further up a few entries, you'll find that this question has already been answered - Zeus didn't take away Herc's godliness in the end, rather, Herc surrendered it and gave it up himself, which is something any god would seem to be able to do. Also, don't expect the powers of the gods in the myths to be synonymous with the powers of the ones in the Disney Animated Canon. They're two different things.things.

* "We're not supposed to reveal the future!" Then why did The Fates agree to meet up with hades in the first place? Why else would he schedule a meeting with them? And, since they can see into the future, they should have known he'd ask about the future in the first place! What, did they think he was inviting them over for teamed crumpets or something?
6th Dec '17 6:15:25 PM Tightwire
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** It's also implied that even as a baby, Hercules was ''already'' stronger than Hades, mangling his finger. Hades might not have been able to take adult Hercules in a real fight.
** Not really. He grabbed at Hades's finger, which Hades wasn't prepared for. Doesn't automatically mean he was stronger than him.

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** It's also implied that even as a baby, Hercules was ''already'' stronger than Hades, mangling his finger. Hades might not have been able to take adult Hercules in a real fight.
** Not really. He grabbed at Hades's finger, which
fight. When his powers are gone, Hades wasn't prepared for. Doesn't automatically mean he lifts those weights with his smoke, and even then it seems to be an effort, since Hades' speciality isn't strength.
** In Greek mythology, the gods very rarely killed people, because everybody went to the Styx regardless. They were into ironic punishments, humiliation, and sending others to do the work so that they could watch from a leisurely distance. Hercules
was stronger than him.
powerless and heartbroken, and Hades sent the Cyclops to humiliate him before his death.



** Because if he remains a god, Meg will eventually grow old and die, while he won't have aged a day. By the end of the film, immortal life has come to mean nothing to him if she isn't in it. Principle could play into it, as well - if the people were to have one of the immortal gods of Olympus living among them like a mortal, it might take away from the dignified image the gods are trying to impose.

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** Because even if he remains a god, Meg will eventually grow old and die, while he won't have aged a day. By the end of the film, immortal life has come to mean nothing to him if she isn't in it. Principle could play into it, as well - if the people were to have one of the immortal gods of Olympus living among them like a mortal, it might take away from the dignified image the gods are trying to impose.
6th Dec '17 5:42:01 PM Tightwire
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** There was little punishment for Gods when they were jerks in Greek Mythology. After all, they were gods. But Zeus was pretty pally towards Hades before. That's not going to be the case any more... Perhaps in the position of being a God, being incredibly unpopular among your fellow deities is enough?
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