History Headscratchers / Hercules

16th Aug '16 4:32:06 PM ShorinBJ
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** In reality, Mount Olympus is considered one of the highest points in Europe. Looking at the other wiki it's height is at 2,917 metres/9,570 ft which is high enough to cause altitude sickness to anyone who doesn't hike or climb at great heights regularly. It's extremely unlikely that a baby, especially one rendered mortal, could live at such height without getting sick. And if they just kept baby Herc there while he was sick, the altitude sickness would only get worse and could cause permanent damage or even death. Zeus not keeping his now mortal child on the mountain with them is logical if it was to keep him from constantly being at risk of severe illness. Though that doesn't defend why Herc couldn't at an older age build up his ability to breathe in those conditions and be then invited back onto the mountain, other than the rules say he can't.
* I think principle may play into this one a bit. Mount Olympus is for gods, and if you start letting mortals come up, it loses the whole "sacred" aspect.

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** In reality, Mount Olympus is considered one of the highest points in Europe. Looking at the other wiki it's its height is at 2,917 metres/9,570 ft which is high enough to cause altitude sickness to anyone who doesn't hike or climb at great heights regularly. It's extremely unlikely that a baby, especially one rendered mortal, could live at such height without getting sick. And if they just kept baby Herc there while he was sick, the altitude sickness would only get worse and could cause permanent damage or even death. Zeus not keeping his now mortal child on the mountain with them is logical if it was to keep him from constantly being at risk of severe illness. Though that doesn't defend why Herc couldn't at an older age build up his ability to breathe in those conditions and be then invited back onto the mountain, other than the rules say he can't.
* ** I think principle may play into this one a bit. Mount Olympus is for gods, and if you start letting mortals come up, it loses the whole "sacred" aspect.



*** The gods are also much bigger a than baby Hercules and every drop of the potion was needed to make him fully mortal. Maybe the potion works the under the same rules as medication and Hades would need a higher dosage for adults. As far as we know he couldn't get any more.
*** I have a theory on this, I believe maybe hades had the potion made not for hercules or the other gods but for himself. We all know he wasn't content with his life and maybe he just wanted to end it quick and painless. Just a theory though.

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*** The gods are also much bigger a than baby Hercules and every drop of the potion was needed to make him fully mortal. Maybe the potion works the under the same rules as medication and Hades would need a higher dosage for adults. As far as we know he couldn't get any more.
*** I have a theory on this, I believe maybe hades Hades had the potion made not for hercules Hercules or the other gods but for himself. We all know he wasn't content with his life and maybe he just wanted to end it quick and painless. Just a theory though.



** This time, the Titans had the element of surprise working for them. Hermes didn't notice the Titans until they were literally on the doorstep, then add in the time it would take for him to flit around Olymous telling the others. Plus, once Hephaestus was captured, Zeus ran out of lightning bolts and couldn't fight back anymore. As for Hercules...I got nothing.

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** This time, the Titans had the element of surprise working for them. Hermes didn't notice the Titans until they were literally on the doorstep, then add in the time it would take for him to flit around Olymous Olympus telling the others. Plus, once Hephaestus was captured, Zeus ran out of lightning bolts and couldn't fight back anymore. As for Hercules...I got nothing.



** She was picked sucked down into one of the underworlds. The River Styx is simply the way in which the dead get there.

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** She was picked sucked down into one of the underworlds. The River Styx is simply the way in which the dead get there.




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**** Yeah, well, this isn't faithful to the original Greek mythology. The question is about the Disney version.




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*** Eh, it's not like he launched himself at high velocity. And again, he was skinny. If bumping into that column at that speed knocked it over, it must have been pretty precarious to begin with.




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** Remember when he says, "I say, 'I want Wonder Boy's head on a silver platter,' and you say..." And she finishes, "Medium or well done?" This when she was actively defying him. It seems obvious that he actually ''made'' her say it, just by willing it so. Which he could do because he literally owned her.




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** Not liking his job may just have been an excuse to grab power, which is what he really wanted. Although, frankly, being Lord of the Dead seems like a more powerful job than Zeus', and IIRC, in Greek mythology this is considered to be true.



** ...Was that a ''Percy Jackson'' reference you were going for? Well, anyway, the girl was pretty much heartbroken at that point. Chances are she was just going to go sit somewhere out of sight from the gods and wait for one of them to use their powers to send her back to earth. She may also have been somewhat afraid of them, as well, as she served, albiet unwillingly, under someone who had only recently tried to overthrow them all, and it was thanks to her involvement that he nearly succeeded.

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** ...Was that a ''Percy Jackson'' reference you were going for? Well, anyway, the girl was pretty much heartbroken at that point. Chances are she was just going to go sit somewhere out of sight from the gods and wait for one of them to use their powers to send her back to earth. She may also have been somewhat afraid of them, as well, as she served, albiet albeit unwillingly, under someone who had only recently tried to overthrow them all, and it was thanks to her involvement that he nearly succeeded.



** The Greek gods were pictured as being flawed, imperfect, and most of all, ''not'' all-powerful. As mighty as they were, they still couldn't do whatever they wanted to whoever they wanted, hence why Hades made that deal with Hercules in the end. As for confronting him in person, the Titans were to be released soon at that point, meaning Hades didn't have time to think up another way of exploiting Hercules' weakness, and that the gods would be done away with soon enough once he succeeded in taking over.

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** The Greek gods were pictured as being flawed, imperfect, and most of all, ''not'' all-powerful. As mighty as they were, they still couldn't do whatever they wanted to whoever they wanted, hence why Hades made that deal with Hercules in the end. As for confronting him in person, the Titans were to be released soon at that point, meaning Hades didn't have time to think up another way of exploiting Hercules' weakness, and that the gods would be done away with soon enough once he succeeded in taking over.over.
** It's also implied that even as a baby, Hercules was ''already'' stronger than Hades, mangling his finger. Hades might not have been able to take adult Hercules in a real fight.
13th May '16 4:34:56 PM QuarrelsomeChevon
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*** Not only would it be painful to discuss in detail, but Hades seems like just the type to brush his brothers issues and worries aside as it is, so it would be especially so if those worries were ''caused'' by something Hades did and thinks he knows full well about. "Oh, it's times like these where I can't help but think of what little Hercules would-" "Yeah, yeah, sadness, loss, mourning, it's all really tragic, I just gotta go now, places to be, things to do, sorry, bro, see ya later."
20th Apr '16 7:49:28 PM darksoul4242
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** But that's the point - he didn't rescue her legally. He said that he would stay in the Underworld if he managed get Meg out of the river. Instead, he punches ''Hades'' into the river and leaves. Herc had said, "If I die, you can have us both, but if I live, then we both go free," ''then'' it would've been legal had he escaped. It would have been done through a previously-unseen loophole, but it still would've been legal.

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** But that's the point - he didn't rescue her legally. He said that he would stay in the Underworld if he managed get Meg out of the river. Instead, he punches ''Hades'' into the river and leaves. Had Herc had said, "If I die, you can have us both, but if I live, then we both go free," ''then'' it would've been legal had even if he escaped. It would have been done through a previously-unseen loophole, but it still would've been legal.
20th Apr '16 7:47:42 PM darksoul4242
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* Note: I haven't seen the TV Series so my problem just apply to the movie. Why was Phil so obsess about the constellation thing? We clearly saw in his hall of heroes the statue of Perseus which also has one. Seriously, this borders FridgeLogic.

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* Note: I haven't seen the TV Series so my problem just apply to the movie. Why was Phil so obsess obsessed about the constellation thing? We clearly saw in his hall of heroes the statue of Perseus which also has one. Seriously, this borders FridgeLogic.



*** I haven't watched an episode of the series in quite some time, but maybe he thought it was a different kid? Didn't Ares - as in, one of the gods living on Olympus who would have knowledge of the fact Hercules was alive - not reconize him until it was pointed out by Athena (I think)?
*** They did address this in the series. Hades knew he was alive it would be hard not to find out. In the last or second to last episode they introduced a younger Megera and she enlists Hercules's help in finding the PlotDevice an urn full of Lethe water. the urn is tumped over on Hades, pain, panic, and Megera Resulting in them developing LaserGuidedAmnesia.
** I totally agree with the complainer on this one. It's one of the most argued points in the movie. Yes, lots of people pass through the Underworld, but this is Hercules, son of a god and the guy who could bust up a plan for total global domination. You'd think Hades would have been paying attention for his death. Also, Zeus (who seems fairly pally with Hades, even if it's not returned) mentions that the gods DID search for Hercules. He would surely have asked his brother Hades to help out? And sure, Hades wouldn't be looking very hard, but surely that would mean he would find out through the grapevine, as they say, that Hercules was alive but mortal.

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*** I haven't watched an episode of the series in quite some time, but maybe he thought it was a different kid? Didn't Ares - as in, one of the gods living on Olympus who would have knowledge of the fact Hercules was alive - not reconize recognize him until it was pointed out by Athena (I think)?
*** They did address this in the series. Hades knew he was alive it would be hard not to find out. In the last or second to last episode they introduced a younger Megera Megara and she enlists Hercules's help in finding the PlotDevice an urn full of Lethe water. the The urn is tumped over on Hades, pain, panic, Pain, Panic, and Megera Megara Resulting in them developing LaserGuidedAmnesia.
** I totally agree with the complainer on this one. It's one of the most argued points in the movie. Yes, lots of people pass through the Underworld, but this is Hercules, son of a god and the guy who could bust up a plan for total global domination. You'd think Hades would have been paying attention for to his death. Also, Zeus (who seems fairly pally with Hades, even if it's not returned) mentions that the gods DID search for Hercules. He would surely have asked his brother Hades to help out? And sure, Hades wouldn't be looking very hard, but surely that would mean he would find out through the grapevine, as they say, that Hercules was alive but mortal.
16th Mar '16 12:45:53 AM QuarrelsomeChevon
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* Why doesn't Hades just kill Hercules himself? He seems capable enough, given that Hercules can't directly challenge him until he attains godhood. And if he's worried about Zeus or the other gods finding out then it'd seem ill-advised to personally meet with Hercules at all. He could have waited until moments before the titans were due to be released, offed the demigod, then continued on with his plan unmolested.

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* Why doesn't Hades just kill Hercules himself? He seems capable enough, given that Hercules can't directly challenge him until he attains godhood. And if he's worried about Zeus or the other gods finding out then it'd seem ill-advised to personally meet with Hercules at all. He could have waited until moments before the titans were due to be released, offed the demigod, then continued on with his plan unmolested.unmolested.
** The Greek gods were pictured as being flawed, imperfect, and most of all, ''not'' all-powerful. As mighty as they were, they still couldn't do whatever they wanted to whoever they wanted, hence why Hades made that deal with Hercules in the end. As for confronting him in person, the Titans were to be released soon at that point, meaning Hades didn't have time to think up another way of exploiting Hercules' weakness, and that the gods would be done away with soon enough once he succeeded in taking over.
7th Mar '16 8:46:47 AM Zozma
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*** Yes that was a "Percy Jackson" reference. Maybe Meg's frightened and heartbroken enough to be planning to throw herself off the edge

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*** Yes that was a "Percy Jackson" reference. Maybe Meg's frightened and heartbroken enough to be planning to throw herself off the edgeedge

*Why doesn't Hades just kill Hercules himself? He seems capable enough, given that Hercules can't directly challenge him until he attains godhood. And if he's worried about Zeus or the other gods finding out then it'd seem ill-advised to personally meet with Hercules at all. He could have waited until moments before the titans were due to be released, offed the demigod, then continued on with his plan unmolested.
18th Feb '16 9:10:13 AM Peridonyx
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*** Fortunately, The Animated Series reveals that the Elysian part is actually ruled by Zeus, while Hades just rules the neutral Underworld and the Tartarus section.
4th Feb '16 12:49:01 PM roxana
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** ...Was that a ''Percy Jackson'' reference you were going for? Well, anyway, the girl was pretty much heartbroken at that point. Chances are she was just going to go sit somewhere out of sight from the gods and wait for one of them to use their powers to send her back to earth. She may also have been somewhat afraid of them, as well, as she served, albiet unwillingly, under someone who had only recently tried to overthrow them all, and it was thanks to her involvement that he nearly succeeded.

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** ...Was that a ''Percy Jackson'' reference you were going for? Well, anyway, the girl was pretty much heartbroken at that point. Chances are she was just going to go sit somewhere out of sight from the gods and wait for one of them to use their powers to send her back to earth. She may also have been somewhat afraid of them, as well, as she served, albiet unwillingly, under someone who had only recently tried to overthrow them all, and it was thanks to her involvement that he nearly succeeded.succeeded.
*** Yes that was a "Percy Jackson" reference. Maybe Meg's frightened and heartbroken enough to be planning to throw herself off the edge
27th Jan '16 11:23:48 AM ScroogeMacDuck
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*** they did address this in the series. Hades knew he was alive it would be hard not to find out. In the last or second to last episode they introduced a younger Megera and she enlists Hercules's help in finding the PlotDevice an urn full of Lethe water. the urn is tumped over on Hades, pain, panic, and Megera Resulting in them developing LaserGuidedAmnesia.

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*** they They did address this in the series. Hades knew he was alive it would be hard not to find out. In the last or second to last episode they introduced a younger Megera and she enlists Hercules's help in finding the PlotDevice an urn full of Lethe water. the urn is tumped over on Hades, pain, panic, and Megera Resulting in them developing LaserGuidedAmnesia.



** He almost did see his brother's demise as he was about to crush him with all four TItans.

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** He almost did see his brother's demise as he was about For what it's worth, in the ''House of Mouse'' TV series, Hades says at one point: "Maleficent… a name to crush him warm my soul. You know, if I had one." So yes, perhaps Hades believes that gods don't have souls proper.[[note]]That does make sense: the gods do not seem to be really physical in the movie, more like made of smoke. It's reasonable to assume that they might not be "a body with all four TItans.
a soul in it" but rather "a powered-up soul"… Destroying a god would be destroying the soul, there's no searching for an inner soul of the first soul.[[/note]]
16th Jan '16 1:39:54 AM whisperstar13
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** Also, the thing that was troubling Herc most of all at that point was that Meg had betrayed him by helping Hades all this time, not that he had lost his strength. Her giving it back to him by finding some way of hurting herself, even if it would've have worked, wasn't what Hercules needed - he needed a pep talk to help lift his spirits, and Meg knew that only Phil could do that for him, so she went to find him.
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