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* Does anyone else wonder what Hermione's parents worked as in Australia? They're both dentists, but presumably to work in Australia they'd need registration there, or at least evidence of qualification. But since their names are changed they can't use their degrees, nor can they list references on their CV. So it seems either they would have to live off whatever savings they have (again a problem since Hermione would have to transfer money from their old account to a new one using their fake names) or they would have to spend the rest of their days working in a bar.
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** Technically all we know is that Fred and Angelina went together to the Yule Ball (though we see Fred there [[WhatHappenedToTheMouse without her]], oddly). For all we know, that might have been their only date, and we don't know when she and George got together. (Or, for an [[WildMassGuessing alternate theory]]: J.K. didn't mean to do a SettleForSibling at all, she just forgot which twin she'd originally set her up with.)
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** Aside from Ginny surely having some input, think about it this way: Harry's [[OnlyChildSyndrome an only child]]. If James or Lily were ever going to get memorialized, it's through him. Ginny is [[MassiveNumberedSiblings one of seven]]. Less responsibility there, especially since she probably had her kids after all of her older siblings. (And indeed, WordOfGod says Percy's daughter was named Molly, though there unfortunately doesn't seem to an Arthur among the Next Gen.)
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** Consider this: we don't know if they were all slaughtered! Harry saw the green flash and then the link broke. So pehaps it did work, so V would have to suffice with Obliviating the kids or [[FridgeHorror torturing them into insanity]].
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**** Additionally, Avada Kedavra takes a great deal of power to perform. False-Moody says in the fourth book that the whole class could have pointed their wands at him and said the words and virtually nothing would have happened.
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* It's because when Dumbledore asked Snape why didnt he ask Voldemort to spare Lily and kill James and Harry (it's phrase differently; cant find the quote)Snape said he HAD asked him that. To which Dumbledore responds with, "you sicken me".
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*It's because when Dumbledore asked Snape why didnt he ask Voldemort to spare Lily and kill James and Harry (it's phrase differently; cant find the quote)Snape said he HAD asked him that. To which Dumbledore responds with, "you sicken me".
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*** I never got the impression it was making it look ambiguous. Harry naming his son after Snape in [[FanonDiscontinuity the epilogue]] implies Harry totally forgave everything Snape ever did to him, no matter how petty and cruel. You could argue it's a sign of Harry forgiving Snape and moving past his hatred, which I wouldn't mind. But the way it's presented and the level of fondness he shows seems to imply Harry looks back on Snape with admiration and affection. Admiration ''maybe'' but you don't look back on someone who dragged out a schoolyard grudge and bullied you every day for 6 years with affection. Likewise, I just read The Prince's Tale and it puts a lot of emphasis on Snape's reactions to Lilly breaking off ties with him and getting picked on, which is fine, but it also totally skives over the stuff Snape did to deserve it. We heard it mentioned everywhere else that Snape did bad stuff at school as well and acted like a git to everyone besides Lilly, but the last ending of the series decides to totally cut this out and look at his positive qualities. That's what bothered me, not that Snape was a flawed character, but the book's seeming insistence that he was a victim of circumstance. FruedianExcuse or no, he made his own mistakes.
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** I don't see how Snape's treatment of his students is at all "Out of character." Not when for the first two books had his treatment of his students be one of his ''defining'' character traits (before stuff got serious and the Death-Eater background came out). Even when you hear his backstory, Snape is only working a teacher because he's serving Dumbledore and doesn't seem to want the job. Also, as an InsufferableGenius, it's unsurprising he'd treat see anyone not on his level of intellect as incompetant asshats, even if they're only eleven-years-old (this is a common occurrance for people who are really good at something- experts in a field don't always make great teachers).
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**** While all you say is generally true, it still bugs me because this incident took place in the end of the story. You know, when the heroes are supposed to have grown up, become more responsible, and learned something about the importance of doing what's right, not what's easy, after they'd witnessed the atrocities that ultimately result from the sence of self-superiority and abuse of power. You'd just think there would be some freaking change in their values, especially in regard to Muggles!
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*** Even assuming Stan Shunpike is not a Death Eater, getting thrown in jail for going around bragging about your terrorist plans is completely reasonable. Try going to an airport, shouting that you have a bomb, and saying "yeah, I was just trying to impress my dumbass friends" when the cops come to get you and see how long you stay out of prison. Now that going to Azkaban no longer involves having all of your happiness and your soul slowly sucked away, it really isn't disproportionate retribution. There are also legitimate, non-venal reasons for wanting to reassure the public and avoid widespread panic, as well as for not entrusting the fate of your nation to three 17-year-old kids. McGonagall and the rest of the Order try and pressure the trio to tell them what they're doing too. No, the Ministry doesn't really deserve a whole lot of trust from Harry & Co., but with Fudge gone they also started publishing useful pamphlets and info. Really, the only thing that the Scrimgeour administration does that is "wrong" is not firing and arresting Umbridge (which, to be fair, is a pretty big one).
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**** Most of the wizarding world considers screwing around with someone else's mind to really not be that big a deal, unless it gets so far that it completely subsumes the identity and will of the victim and turns them into a puppet/tool of the caster, which is why the imperius is still an unforgivable. Just like a bar fight for us is usually, while not cool, also not a huge deal unless it goes so far that someone pulls a knife or a gun or gets beaten to an inch of their life. Wizards casually obliviate, confund, and use legilimency and love charms on each other and muggles all the time. Many muggles and way too many fanfic writers (judging from the number of times I've read Harry-Gets-Insanely-Pissed-At-Snape-And/Or-Dumbles-For-Using-Legilimency-On-Him in a fic, because, hey, all fanfic writers are muggles) consider all that to be mind rape. And that's why we have a trope called ValuesDissonance. A wizard who's been confunded will be a little annoyed, possibly more depending on what they did while confunded, but otherwise will get over it. Ron is one of the more clueless about the muggle world of the wizards, he considers being confunded no big deal, he can't fathom why someone else would think it was, just like you seem unable to fathom how someone else could consider it to be anything but mind rape.
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*** It's better because at least it doesn't violate free will, for the potential bribee is perfectly capable of refusing. Anyway, I only mentioned bribery as a more admissable way to cheat then MindRape. Naturally, the right thing to do would be to appoint another test and train harder for it. As for the harmless nature of Confundus, I beg to disagree. Reread the DH, where Snape Confunds Mundungus into suggesting the plan with seven Potters to the order. It doesn't look like "confusing someone" as much as "hypnotising someone into doing exactly as told, including forgetting about being hypnotised". Sure, it's much less severe then Imperious, hence "Imperious Lite". But it's one thing when it's done by a stupid teenager or in times of war, and a whole lot another when it's casually performed by an adult(and Auror at that) for such a triffle reason and treated as a joke. DarkSide always starts from small things.
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** The Confundus Charm doesn't honestly seem to be treated like a big deal by the characters. It's less an Imperius curse and more like just confusing someone. It's like if you talk someone into doing something by just going off on a tangent, almost. Hermione did it on Cormac McLaggen, and Dawlish had it done to him about four times, and it's been used before casually, though I can't think of other examples. And why is bribery better? It's still using an unfair advantage that you have over someone to get them to do something that they shouldn't.
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* I'm surprised no one has pointed out that Luna has been ostracized for all her years at Hogwarts. Even Ron calls her "Loony" and looks at her patronizingly. Only Ginny, Hermione and Harry (and the people painted on her wall, probably) have ever sincerely treated her with respectful affection. And we can tell that before these people, she'd never, ever had a friend before, and hadn't had the chance to develop social skills. For all we know, it's perfectly normal to her and the others just expect this kind of ... interesting ... behavior, since the majority of social interaction Luna has had has been bullying. My heart actually wrenched for Luna when I read about the "friends" and the portraits on her wall. Poor Luna.
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** Okay, so saying "I want to die" is not brave. (I actually don't recall this, but I'll take your word for it that it happened.) It's not brave. But Snape played triple agent for over twenty years, working loyally for Dumbledore, a man he resented. Originally he only did it for Lily, a selfish reason, but the fact that he continued working for Dumbledore after Lily's death, and after the fact that he blamed Dumbledore for Lily's death, says something for him. I'd say that everything mixes into unclear-ness (wow, a new word,) if it hadn't been for how he treated his students, but as I said in "Severus Snape: Good or Bad", I believe that that aspect of him is meant to be taken with a very large pinch of salt.
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** Continuing on this line of thought, though I'm not excusing any of the actually bad things he did, which was mostly how he taught his students, consider that he did have a FreudianExcuse, and a major one. Again, I am NOT saying that we should completely cut him slack, but do take into account that his childhood and life was enough to turn a saint into a psychopath. I think it's the fact that he was still able to cling to a degree of love and in his last breath aid the hero he hated so much, that makes me have some faint affection for him, as long as I take his terrible teaching abilities with a very large pinch of salt.
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** I don't think the last book expects us to forget about his wrongdoings. Once you finish the second-to-last book, it feels like Snape is the irredeemable "bad-guy," and the last book clears it up (if you can call it that, since 'clearing it up' means leaving you in the dark as to whether he was a so-called "bad guy" or "good guy.")
* An interesting note: If you erase the way he treated his students, it's easy enough to imagine Snape as the NotEvilJustMisunderstood guy. In fact, to me, the way he treated his students seemed both out of character and something that had been tacked on as a redundancy. I take it with a pinch of salt, the same way I do with the Dursleys' treatment of Harry. In real life, even if the Wizarding world did exist, there would be a few things that remain the same anyhow: a) the Dursleys' treatment of Harry would not be tolerated; and b) Snape's treatment of his students would not be tolerated. So I see both of these as carefully tacked-on exaggerations meant to reinforce readers' hatred of Snape before we realize his actual backstory.
* An interesting note: If you erase the way he treated his students, it's easy enough to imagine Snape as the NotEvilJustMisunderstood guy. In fact, to me, the way he treated his students seemed both out of character and something that had been tacked on as a redundancy. I take it with a pinch of salt, the same way I do with the Dursleys' treatment of Harry. In real life, even if the Wizarding world did exist, there would be a few things that remain the same anyhow: a) the Dursleys' treatment of Harry would not be tolerated; and b) Snape's treatment of his students would not be tolerated. So I see both of these as carefully tacked-on exaggerations meant to reinforce readers' hatred of Snape before we realize his actual backstory.
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*** I don't want to spoil Book 7 for you, but when you get to the chapter "The Prince's Tale" you'll find out why Snape really killed Dumbledore. It was because [[spoiler:Dumbledore asked him to. Snape was a good guy after all.]]
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** Okay, but still none of you have addressed the issue (as the OP so long ago, I know what I was asking, and it still bugs me to this day). ''"And if this is the case, Harry putting the wand away at the end so that the chain would be broken wouldn't really do much, would it, because if he ever got disarmed ''at all'', the wand would then have a new master...?"''
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* On the subject of manipulating people. When Hermione had been changing her parents' personalities (as discussed above), she at least had the valid excuse that she was protecting them and even so she had felt terrible about it. Fast forward to the finale, where all the heroes grew up happily in the new, ostensibly more enlightened, open-minded and conscientious Wizarding world. What are we told in a non-chalant, humorous and matter-of-fact way? That Ron (who's apparently an Auror(!) now) put the Confundus Spell (basically "Imperius Lite") on a random innocent Muggle...in order to pass his driving test. What. The. Fuck. I mean, he could've taken the test again (I took it about 7 times before I passed), or, hell, he could've ''bribed'' the instructor, which would've been bad, of course, but a normal, amicable kind of bad. But nope, he just took his mighty wand out and subdued the feeble Muggle mind and then treated it like a joke. Suddenly, RonTheDeathEater doesn't look so absurd anymore.
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****** I'm not sure Harry would forgive Umbridge. He never felt the same sympathy for her that he felt for the others. Snape, while a petty, vindictive man, fought for the good side. After seeing Snape's pensive, he understands the bullying and love for Lily that drove Snape to be who he became. Harry had known Draco Malfoy since he was 11 years old and had witnessed his hesitation/misery when forced to do bad things. The Dursleys were horrible and abusive, but they are family and, as JRK mentioned, Dudley has also been abused, in a way. And their reactions are mostly motivated by fear and old hurt. While they are fairly terrible people, Harry understands them and can sympathize. Umbridge doesn't repent and, if she has a tragic backstory, Harry doesn't know it. Just because he can forgive some morally ambiguous people in his life doesn't mean he's going to let all the former Death Eaters roam free (supposing it is up to him).
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*** Made worse by the fact that Harry decides to get a job as an AUROR. Okay, you intend to go through the rest of your life without being ''defeated'' in battle a single time, ever, as a policeman? Even without people actively hunting him down to become the master of the Elder Wand, he's throwing himself into situations where the wand's loyalty could jump on a daily basis.
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******* No, it's not. It's clear that the heroes have descended into pretty morally ambiguous territory. It doesn't take the author beating the reader over the head with that message to figure it out. The fact that Harry was able to successfully use the Cruciatus curse at all shows that he's in a really dark place. McGonnagal having a conversation with him to the effect of, "Gosh, Harry, I can see you're obviously filled with inner turmoil!" "Yeah, professor, that act I just committed was really morally ambiguous!" would have been stupid.
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**** Who says he was attracted to her? She was attracted to him, obviously. If a 20 foot tall, violent monster decides she's into you, she may not take no for an answer. Oh, and as for the genitalia issue, I'd like to point out that among apes, genital size does not correlate to body size, really, at all. An adult gorilla has about twice the mass of an adult human and yet the genitalia are many times smaller. So there's no reason to assume giants and humans are necessarily incompatible in that department.
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** This troper agrees. Snape and Lily were best friends at Hogwarts for five years! It's hard to believe that nobody thought to mention this to Harry. I'll accept that Dumbledore might have kept it a secret as part of Snape's cover. But considering how frequently Harry rants about Snape, it's surprising that a character didn't just say, "You know, Snape was best friends with your mother for a time." McGonagall, Slughorn, Rosmerta, Lupin, Sirius? I suppose it's plausible that it just never came up. After all, Sirius and Lupin revealed backstory details only when directly asked by Harry.
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** This troper agrees. Snape and Lily were best friends at Hogwarts for five years! It's hard to believe that nobody thought to mention this to Harry. I'll accept that Dumbledore might have kept it a secret as part of Snape's cover. But considering how frequently Harry rants about Snape, it's surprising that a another character didn't just say, "You know, Snape was best friends with your mother for a time." McGonagall, Slughorn, Rosmerta, Lupin, Sirius? and especially Sirius and Lupin must have known. I suppose guess it's plausible that it just never came up. After all, Sirius and Lupin revealed usually reveal backstory details only when directly asked by Harry.
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** This troper agrees. Snape and Lily were best friends at Hogwarts for five years! It's hard to believe that nobody thought to mention this to Harry. I'll accept that Dumbledore might have kept it a secret as part of Snape's cover. But considering how frequently Harry rants about Snape, it's surprising that a character didn't just say, "You know, Snape was best friends with your mother for a time." McGonagall, Slughorn, Rosmerta, Lupin, Sirius? I suppose it's plausible that it just never came up. After all, Sirius and Lupin revealed backstory details only when directly asked by Harry.
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** It's generally accepted by the adults, or at least Mr. Weasley, that Stan isn't a Death Eater and the Ministry just wanted to look like they were doing anything. They interrogated him and had no reason to suspect him of any Death Eater activity, but they wanted to act like they'd made an accomplishment. And how many Death Eaters do they really have? Malfoy doesn't have a wand, and there were a bunch who were doing other things. Sure, they could take control of the majority of the population, but that's probably a lot of effort. Stan Shunpike was in Azkaban, which the Death Eaters pretty much control, so he's easily accessible.
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* As I understood it, only the Elder Wand is fickle enough to "choose" another master as soon as one master is so much as disarmed. Other wands choose their masters and stay with them. I don't remember reading anything about regular wands switching allegiances. However, there's a big problem at the very end of the story: Harry says he intends to put the wand away and die a natural death, ending the wand's power/mastery. Big problem with that, though, is the wand can switch masters without the master dying (see Draco Malfoy, Grindelwald...). Even bigger problem: '''HARRY GETS A JOB AS AN AUROR.''' Good career choice for never getting into a duel or any life-threatening situation, Harry.
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** Well, the only one who actually cares about Stan's imprisonment is Harry, and he's largely an idiot. But to be honest to him, the real problem with the Ministry is not that they arrested Stan, but rather that it was their '''only''' achievement (not to mention, of course, the whole ordeal with Umbridge). They are not evil as much as horrendously stupid and incompetent. As for the chase scene in Book 7, while I agree in general, I can at least think of a reason to Imperio Stan: although it'd be uncharacteristically brilliant for him, V could've sent an obviously innocent (well, from Harry's POV, at least) Imperioused person sent after ''each'' of the seven dopplegangers to root out the real Potter.
