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** UnfortunateImplications aside, there's no reason to conclude this, given that Mumble has changed significantly in size, if not plumage, and that Gloria grew up around Mumble; she would have reasons beyond him looking like a baby penguin to be attracted to him.

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** UnfortunateImplications aside, there's no reason to conclude this, given that Mumble has changed significantly in size, if not plumage, and that Gloria grew up around Mumble; she would have reasons beyond him looking like a baby penguin to be attracted to him.him.
*** It's still weird. It's equivalent to a human women [[http://imgur.com/gallery/nKYtbSq marrying and having children with someone who looks like this]] (weird and creepy picture warning).
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** People tend to forget that whales and dolphins are a ''major'' case of BewareTheNiceOnes. One case [[Tropers/{{K2Misfit}} This Troper]] remembers was seeing a pod of Killer Whales live up to their name by isolating a gray whale calf from it's mother then proceeding to headbutt and drown it to death simply [[ForTheEvulz to eat it's lips]] and left the rest of the body to waste, basically the equivalent of ''killing'' a baby for its candy. People (idiots) see Free Willy or Series/{{Whale Wars}} and think [[AllAnimalsAreDogs All Whales are aquatic fish-eating puppies]] and forget that teeth are meant for more than just gulping down fish.

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** People tend to forget that whales and dolphins are a ''major'' case of BewareTheNiceOnes. One case [[Tropers/{{K2Misfit}} This Troper]] remembers I]] remember was seeing a pod of Killer Whales live up to their name by isolating a gray whale calf from it's mother then proceeding to headbutt and drown it to death simply [[ForTheEvulz to eat it's lips]] and left the rest of the body to waste, basically the equivalent of ''killing'' a baby for its candy. People (idiots) see Free Willy or Series/{{Whale Wars}} and think [[AllAnimalsAreDogs All Whales are aquatic fish-eating puppies]] and forget that teeth are meant for more than just gulping down fish.



** Ok, first of all, [[CompletelyMissingThePoint there are no aliens in it.]] Second, idk, either they had a good idea or they just want to make a franchise. This troper thinks it looks kinda cute.

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** Ok, first of all, [[CompletelyMissingThePoint there are no aliens in it.]] Second, idk, either they had a good idea or they just want to make a franchise. This troper thinks I think it looks kinda cute.
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** Erik doesn't have an outcast status (as mentioned earlier, he's not short of a support system and encouragement from friends and family and he's not incapable of singing or dancing). He has a severe case of Social Anxiety. Those with anxiety find it very stressful to "let loose" and are always fearful of ridicule when they do express themselves openly. The opening of the movie where he's introduced makes this crystal clear: he's content to watch the festivities and has to be encouraged to join in, only to be very embarrassed to have an accident. Like the troper before stated, yes, he does consider himself an outcast, but it's TruthInTelevision that those with anxiety don't feel that people can understand them or fully connect with them.
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**** You... You didn't read the post above you, did you?
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*** Shouldn't this conversation be in a forum? Headscrachers are for answering questions, not stating your opinions as if they're facts.
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** Because Erik is just a kid and telling him that he's trying to do the impossible might make him even more depressed and feel more like an outcast. It's kind of like telling a kid that there's no Santa Claus. Likewise, finding out your [[BrokenPedestal idol was lying or was wrong]] can be really devestating on a kid. I'm not saying that Mumble wasn't right about Seven (he was), but rather that him dumping all of that negativity onto Erik wasn't a good idea.

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** Because Erik is just a kid and telling him that he's trying to do the impossible might make him even more depressed and feel more like an outcast. It's kind of like telling a kid that there's no Santa Claus. Likewise, finding out your [[BrokenPedestal idol was lying or was wrong]] can be really devestating on a kid. I'm not saying that Mumble wasn't right about Seven Sven (he was), but rather that him dumping all of that negativity onto Erik wasn't a good idea.


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*** On the other hand, Erik had just nearly plummeted off a cliff because he thought he might be able to fly. Which would obviously freak any parent out, and prompt a "What the hell were you thinkin?" speech as a reasonable response.
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** Because the movie wasn't ''really'' about how "penguins are normal if they sing, but abnormal if they dance", the whole thing is meant to be a DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything film about how people born different gets alienated by others and to top it, often has to deal with their own parents shunning them. Some think that AspergersSyndrome in particular is implied for Mumble given his slow development, but you could take many situations of where a person acts, looks or dresses different than others and suffers an AllOfTheOtherReindeer status because of it. The film makers simply portrayed this in a creative, strange way with said singing and dancing penguins.

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** Because the movie wasn't ''really'' about how "penguins are normal if they sing, but abnormal if they dance", the whole thing is meant to be a DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything film about how people born different gets alienated by others and to top it, often has to deal with their own parents shunning them. Some think them (apart from when it turns into an enviromental message that AspergersSyndrome is), autism in particular is being the implied case for Mumble given his slow development, but you could take many situations of where a person acts, looks or dresses different than others and suffers an AllOfTheOtherReindeer status because of it. The film makers simply portrayed this in a creative, strange way with said singing and dancing penguins.Mumble.
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** WordOfGod is they killed two birds in one stone with his design as it's both meant to show how he's different and a slow developer, but it also served to give him a unique look as the main character instead of being identical to and hard to distignuish from the rest.

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** WordOfGod is they killed two birds in one stone with his design as it's both meant to show how he's different and a slow developer, but it also served to give him a unique look as the main character instead of being identical to and hard to distignuish distinguish from the rest.
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** WordOfGod is they killed two birds in one stone with his design as it's both meant to show how he's different and a slow developer, but it also served to give him a unique look as the main character instead of being identical to and hard to distignuish from the rest.
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** Because the movie wasn't ''really'' about how "penguins are normal if they sing, but abnormal if they dance", the whole thing is meant to be a DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything film about how people born different gets alienated by others and to top it, often has to deal with their own parents shunning them. Some think that AspergersSyndrome in particular is implied for Mumble given his slow development, but you could take many situations of where a person acts, looks or dresses different than others and suffers an AllOfTheOtherReindeer status because of it. The film makers simply portrayed this in a creative, strange way with said singing and dancing penguins.
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** Mumble was pouring salt onto Erik's wounds, and it may have been a reality check, but it was pretty messed up.
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** Not really. One the things I loved about this movie was the semi-realistic movements of the penguins and the nods to their mating rituals. It was a nice break the whacky adventures usually seen in this sort of film. Penguins in real life (emperor penguins anyway) ''do'' sing to attract a mate, they don't dance. That's why they thought dancing was weird. Also, while pneguins may waddle when they walk, I've never seen a tap/break dancing penguin.
*** Really, aside from the dancing - and, wasn't that kind of the point? - the movements and behaviors of the penguins were entirely naturalistic, as was the intention. The only way I can think of that they could've made them more realistic would've been if they were squirting out droppings every five minutes, while they walked.

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** Not really. One the things I loved about this movie was the semi-realistic movements of the penguins and the nods to their mating rituals. It was a nice break the whacky adventures usually seen in this sort of film. Penguins in real life (emperor penguins anyway) ''do'' sing to attract a mate, they don't dance. That's why they thought dancing was weird. Also, while pneguins penguins may waddle when they walk, I've never seen a tap/break dancing penguin.
*** Really, aside from the dancing - and, wasn't that kind of the point? - the movements and behaviors of the penguins were entirely naturalistic, as was the intention. The only way I can think of that they could've made them more realistic would've been if they were squirting out droppings every five minutes, minutes while they walked.

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* Is Gloria a pedophile since adult Mumble looks so much like a baby penguin?

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** It's implied that the exposure to the cold as an egg affected Mumble's development (since the reason his father was sitting on it in the first place was to incubate it), causing him to molt late and giving him his titular feet.
* Is Gloria a pedophile since adult Mumble looks so much like a baby penguin?penguin?
** UnfortunateImplications aside, there's no reason to conclude this, given that Mumble has changed significantly in size, if not plumage, and that Gloria grew up around Mumble; she would have reasons beyond him looking like a baby penguin to be attracted to him.
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* I never understood why Mumble was still gray as an adult. Do they explain why? Is it because he was dropped as an egg?

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* I never understood why Mumble was still gray as an adult. Do they explain why? Is it because he was dropped as an egg?egg?
* Is Gloria a pedophile since adult Mumble looks so much like a baby penguin?
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** It melted into a more-difficult-to-climb shape. That's the point.
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** Because the producers are idiots who think that {{ViewersAreMorons}} and they think that the audiences can't tell Mumble apart from the others if he looked completely grown-up (in their opinion). I bet they didn't even trial the film with test audiences.

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** Because the producers are idiots who think that {{ViewersAreMorons}} and they think that the audiences audience can't tell Mumble apart from the others if he looked completely grown-up (in their opinion). I bet they didn't even trial the film with test audiences.

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** I think it's cute and adorable.



** Because the producers are idiots who think {{ViewersAreMorons}} and can't tell Mumble apart from the others if he looked completely grown-up.

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** Because the producers are idiots who think that {{ViewersAreMorons}} and they think that the audiences can't tell Mumble apart from the others if he looked completely grown-up.grown-up (in their opinion). I bet they didn't even trial the film with test audiences.
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** Because the producers were idiots who think {{ViewersAreMorons}} and can't tell Mumble apart from the others if he looked completely grown-up.

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** Because the producers were are idiots who think {{ViewersAreMorons}} and can't tell Mumble apart from the others if he looked completely grown-up.
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** Because the producers were idiots who think [[ViewersAreMorons]] and can't tell Mumble apart from the others if he looked completely grown-up.

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** Because the producers were idiots who think [[ViewersAreMorons]] {{ViewersAreMorons}} and can't tell Mumble apart from the others if he looked completely grown-up.



*** Let's face it: the producers think [[ViewersAreMorons]].

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*** Let's face it: the producers think [[ViewersAreMorons]].{{ViewersAreMorons}}.

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** But that doesn't explain how there's dancing at the Graduation ceremony. They're all dancing, abet not like Mumble.

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** But that doesn't explain how there's dancing at the Graduation ceremony. They're all dancing, abet albeit not like Mumble. Mumble.
** They're dancing, but not to the beat of their own heartsong. That's why Mumble was shunned, at first. It was because his heartsong came from his dancing feet rather than him vocally singing his own song.


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** Because the producers were idiots who think [[ViewersAreMorons]] and can't tell Mumble apart from the others if he looked completely grown-up.


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*** Uh... photorealistic adult-looking Emperor Penguins can be cute. Just check out these pics: [[http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm102/zairianara/mambodance.jpg]] [[http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm102/zairianara/Mumble_28Regular29_26_Gloria.jpg]]


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*** But even at the end of the first film, Mumble was moulting. [[http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140201155243/happyfeet/images/7/7a/Happy-feet-disneyscreencaps.com-11684.jpg]] [[http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20131214003155/happyfeet/images/4/49/Happy-feet-disneyscreencaps.com-10518.jpg]]


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*** Let's face it: the producers think [[ViewersAreMorons]].
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** SequelHook. {{Sequelitis}}. Whatever. Sequels have become an overused gimmick in recent years, like 3D was there for a while. Remember the good old days when sequels weren't commonplace, and for a movie to actually get one was cause for genuine excitement... fast-forward to today, almost ''every single fricken movie Hollywood cranks out'' gets a sequel. Even the mediocre ones. Seriously, try and think of a movie released within the last five years or so that hasn't had a sequel.
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** People...erm, Penguins can be stupid like that. It's not unusual for us to latch onto someone whom we think is a great role model/leader, find out he's a fraud, leave him, and move onto the next SnakeOilSalesman. The more amazing someone sounds, the more we want to be a part of their group and we want them to lead us to greatness. Sven's message of "You can do anything if you put your mind to it" was further enhanced by him being a puffin, a bird that can fly and that the penguins had never seen before (Hence why they thought he was a flying penguin). To them, Sven was a miracle worker and they thought that him leading them would bring them a new era of prosperity. In other words, it's like all the other religious and political leaders out there. They promise big things, but can only deliver the small ones...if even that.

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** People...erm, Penguins can be stupid like that. It's not unusual for us to latch onto someone whom we think is a great role model/leader, find out he's a fraud, leave him, and move onto the next SnakeOilSalesman. The more amazing someone sounds, the more we want to be a part of their group and we want them to lead us to greatness. Sven's message of "You can do anything if you put your mind to it" was further enhanced by him being a puffin, a bird that can fly and that the penguins had never seen before (Hence why they thought he was a flying penguin). To them, Sven was a miracle worker and they thought that him leading them would bring them a new era of prosperity. In other words, it's like all the other religious and political leaders out there. They promise big things, but can only deliver the small ones...if even that.that.
* I never understood why Mumble was still gray as an adult. Do they explain why? Is it because he was dropped as an egg?
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** But then that adds in some fridge logic pertaining to the first film. How did baby Mumble get all the way up on top of the ice shelf by himself in a short amount of time (when he's dancing to "I Wish" before the Skua show up), while none of the other penguins in the sequel can seem to get up there? Is it that he went all the way around and get very close to the ocean to get up to the top?


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** But that doesn't explain how there's dancing at the Graduation ceremony. They're all dancing, abet not like Mumble.
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** Many penguins comment about dancing as a weirdness, and something to be shamed out. So while is not forbidden, is still like courting a girl while wearing only a condom and socks.
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** The Penguins on top of the iceberg are trying to free the ones trapped at the bottom by bringing them up to the top, not get down to them.
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* In the sequel, many of the the penguins are trapped on that high mountain and spend most of the movie trying to get back down. What bugs me is there were a few wide shots of that mountain and on the mountain's sides were steady trails and pathways the penguins could have easily taken to get back down. [[WeCouldHaveAvoidedAllThis The movie should have been over in 30 minutes!]]

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* In the sequel, many of the the penguins are trapped on that high mountain and spend most of the movie trying to get back down. What bugs me is there were a few wide shots of that mountain and on the mountain's sides were steady trails and pathways the penguins could have easily taken to get back down. [[WeCouldHaveAvoidedAllThis The movie should have been over in 30 minutes!]]minutes!
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** It's another clever little link back to the Accept Autism thing the writers have going with their aesop. A LOT of adults on the Autistic Spectrum never seem to fully mature physically. Mumble being half-covered in chick-down is a shout to him still looking in his late-teens, while all his friends have moved on to mid-twenties. This is TruthInTelevision for real Aspergers people, who on average rarely ''look'' much older than 20.

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** It's another clever little link back to the Accept Autism thing the writers have going with their aesop. A LOT of adults on the Autistic Spectrum never seem to fully mature physically. Mumble being half-covered in chick-down is a shout to him still looking in his late-teens, while mid/late-teens, even when all his friends have moved on to mid-twenties. This is TruthInTelevision for real Aspergers people, who on average rarely ''look'' much older than 20.
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** It's another clever little link back to the Accept Autism thing the writers have going with their aesop. A LOT of adults on the Autistic Spectrum never seem to fully mature physically. Mumble being half-covered in chick-down is a shout to him still looking in his late-teens, while all his friends have moved on to mid-twenties. This is TruthInTelevision for real Aspergers people, who on average rarely ''look'' much older than 20.
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** Because Erik is just a kid and telling him that he's trying to do the impossible might make him even more depressed and feel more like an outcast. It's kind of like telling a kid that there's no Santa Claus. Likewise, finding out your [[BrokenPedestal idol was lying or was wrong]] can be really devestating on a kid. I'm not saying that Mumble wasn't right about Seven (he was), but rather that him dumping all of that negativity onto Erik wasn't a good idea.
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* Was I the only one bothered by how the Amigos, aside from Ramon, seem to latch so quickly onto Sven's ideology, despite how the first movie proved that Lovelace was making things up and Raul even says "IKnewIt! It was all a lie!" when they find things out in the first movement?

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* Was I the only one bothered by how the Amigos, aside from Ramon, seem to latch so quickly onto Sven's ideology, despite how the first movie proved that Lovelace was making things up and Raul even says "IKnewIt! It was all a lie!" when they find things out in the first movement?movement?
** People...erm, Penguins can be stupid like that. It's not unusual for us to latch onto someone whom we think is a great role model/leader, find out he's a fraud, leave him, and move onto the next SnakeOilSalesman. The more amazing someone sounds, the more we want to be a part of their group and we want them to lead us to greatness. Sven's message of "You can do anything if you put your mind to it" was further enhanced by him being a puffin, a bird that can fly and that the penguins had never seen before (Hence why they thought he was a flying penguin). To them, Sven was a miracle worker and they thought that him leading them would bring them a new era of prosperity. In other words, it's like all the other religious and political leaders out there. They promise big things, but can only deliver the small ones...if even that.

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