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** UnfortunateImplications aside, there's no reason to conclude this, given that Mumble has changed significantly in size, if not plumage, and that Gloria grew up around Mumble; she would have reasons beyond him looking like a baby penguin to be attracted to him.
** It's kind of like being attracted to somebody who's fully an adult, but still has a baby-face. It's not that weird.
** It's kind of like being attracted to somebody who's fully an adult, but still has a baby-face. It's not that weird.
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** UnfortunateImplications Unfortunate implications aside, there's no reason to conclude this, given that Mumble has changed significantly in size, if not plumage, and that Gloria grew up around Mumble; she would have reasons beyond him looking like a baby penguin to be attracted to him.
** It's kind of like being attracted to somebody who's fully an adult, but still has a baby-face. It's not thatweird.weird.
* Mumble regularly swims while perpetually frozen in mid-molt. While molting, penguins are not waterproof, and thus unprotected from freezing water; swimming in that condition is deadly.
** Gets even more odd in the sequel, when the baby penguins point out directly that their fluff prevents them from being able to swim.
*** Maybe his regular feathers are under the down and that's why he's able to swim.
* Four of Gloria's suitors are singing Music/BoyzIIMen's ''I'll Make Love To You''. And unlike ''Boogie Wonderland'', they're not singing a chorus for someone else's heart song, they're all singing their own heart song. The same heart song. Are some penguins just naturally polyamorous...?
** It's kind of like being attracted to somebody who's fully an adult, but still has a baby-face. It's not that
* Mumble regularly swims while perpetually frozen in mid-molt. While molting, penguins are not waterproof, and thus unprotected from freezing water; swimming in that condition is deadly.
** Gets even more odd in the sequel, when the baby penguins point out directly that their fluff prevents them from being able to swim.
*** Maybe his regular feathers are under the down and that's why he's able to swim.
* Four of Gloria's suitors are singing Music/BoyzIIMen's ''I'll Make Love To You''. And unlike ''Boogie Wonderland'', they're not singing a chorus for someone else's heart song, they're all singing their own heart song. The same heart song. Are some penguins just naturally polyamorous...?
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* Originally Mumble would lose his baby feathers during his pursuit of the fishing fleet. But this was scrapped because it made him unrecognisable, however it can still be seen in a few tie-in books.
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** Because the movie wasn't ''really'' about how "penguins are normal if they sing, but abnormal if they dance", the whole thing is meant to be a DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything film about how people born different gets alienated by others and to top it, often has to deal with their own parents shunning them (apart from when it turns into an enviromental message that is), autism in particular being the implied case for Mumble.
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** Because the movie wasn't ''really'' about how "penguins are normal if they sing, but abnormal if they dance", the whole thing is meant to be a DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything film about how people born different gets get alienated by others and to top it, often has have to deal with their own parents shunning them (apart from when it turns into an enviromental message that is), autism in particular being the implied case for Mumble.
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** Dancing isn't necessarily forbidden, it's only if you're unable to sing. Apparently singing is a mandatory duty of every emperor penguin citizen.
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** Dancing isn't necessarily forbidden, it's only if you're unable to sing. Apparently singing is a mandatory duty of every emperor penguin Emperor Penguin citizen.
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** It's different. Seeing the "aliens" isn't seeing the proof for evolution. Seeing the proof for for evolution would be like seeing the boats and random machinery as they did, which didn't sway them, which it shouldn't. Seeing the "aliens" first hand would be like a YEC jumping on a time machine and jumping through various years and seeing first hand that evolution is true.
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** It's different. Seeing the "aliens" isn't seeing the proof for evolution. Seeing the proof for for evolution would be like seeing the boats and random machinery as they did, which didn't sway them, which it shouldn't. Seeing the "aliens" first hand would be like a YEC jumping on a time machine and jumping through various years and seeing first hand that evolution is true.
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** Not really. One of the things I loved about this movie was the semi-realistic movements of the penguins and the nods to their mating rituals. It was a nice break the whacky adventures usually seen in this sort of film. Penguins in real life (emperor penguins anyway) ''do'' sing to attract a mate, they don't dance. That's why they thought dancing was weird. Also, while penguins may waddle when they walk, I've never seen a tap/break dancing penguin.
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** Not really. One of the things I loved about this movie was the semi-realistic movements of the penguins and the nods to their mating rituals. It was a nice break from the whacky adventures usually seen in this sort of film. Penguins in real life (emperor penguins (Emperor Penguins anyway) ''do'' sing to attract a mate, they don't dance. That's why they thought dancing was weird. Also, while penguins may waddle when they walk, I've never seen a tap/break dancing penguin.
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** Not really. One the things I loved about this movie was the semi-realistic movements of the penguins and the nods to their mating rituals. It was a nice break the whacky adventures usually seen in this sort of film. Penguins in real life (emperor penguins anyway) ''do'' sing to attract a mate, they don't dance. That's why they thought dancing was weird. Also, while penguins may waddle when they walk, I've never seen a tap/break dancing penguin.
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** Not really. One of the things I loved about this movie was the semi-realistic movements of the penguins and the nods to their mating rituals. It was a nice break the whacky adventures usually seen in this sort of film. Penguins in real life (emperor penguins anyway) ''do'' sing to attract a mate, they don't dance. That's why they thought dancing was weird. Also, while penguins may waddle when they walk, I've never seen a tap/break dancing penguin.
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** UnfortunateImplications aside, there's no reason to conclude this, given that Mumble has changed significantly in size, if not plumage, and that Gloria grew up around Mumble; she would have reasons beyond him looking like a baby penguin to be attracted to him.
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** UnfortunateImplications aside, there's no reason to conclude this, given that Mumble has changed significantly in size, if not plumage, and that Gloria grew up around Mumble; she would have reasons beyond him looking like a baby penguin to be attracted to him.him.
** It's kind of like being attracted to somebody who's fully an adult, but still has a baby-face. It's not that weird.
** It's kind of like being attracted to somebody who's fully an adult, but still has a baby-face. It's not that weird.
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* What exactly were those whales trying to accomplish? One of them had Mumble right in his mouth, and all he did was spit him back out and throw him at the other whale.
** Something tells me that if they had made everything bloodthirsty (wasn't the sea leopard NightmareFuel enough??), there'd be people whining about 'Oh, it's too violent for kids' and such. Even though whales do eat penguins, who's to say the whales wouldn't have started chowing down once they tired of their little black and white football?
** People tend to forget that whales and dolphins are a ''major'' case of BewareTheNiceOnes. One case [[Tropers/{{K2Misfit}} I]] remember was seeing a pod of Killer Whales live up to their name by isolating a gray whale calf from it's mother then proceeding to headbutt and drown it to death simply [[ForTheEvulz to eat it's lips]] and left the rest of the body to waste, basically the equivalent of ''killing'' a baby for its candy. People (idiots) see Free Willy or Series/{{Whale Wars}} and think [[AllAnimalsAreDogs All Whales are aquatic fish-eating puppies]] and forget that teeth are meant for more than just gulping down fish.
*** Whales play with their food before they eat it - sometimes quite voraciously, as in the film. What was more interesting was the fact that they, out of all of the other species in the film, didn't speak. And, it's all the more intriguing when you [[http://www.mckeewildthings.com/3D_animation.htm read why that was]] - the production team realized that whales actually have their own formalized language and dialects, and because of that, they appear with a type of speech all their own.
*** Whales [[TruthInTelevision actually bat their prey around like a hackey sack]] sometimes. It breaks the bones to make it easier to chew.
** Something tells me that if they had made everything bloodthirsty (wasn't the sea leopard NightmareFuel enough??), there'd be people whining about 'Oh, it's too violent for kids' and such. Even though whales do eat penguins, who's to say the whales wouldn't have started chowing down once they tired of their little black and white football?
** People tend to forget that whales and dolphins are a ''major'' case of BewareTheNiceOnes. One case [[Tropers/{{K2Misfit}} I]] remember was seeing a pod of Killer Whales live up to their name by isolating a gray whale calf from it's mother then proceeding to headbutt and drown it to death simply [[ForTheEvulz to eat it's lips]] and left the rest of the body to waste, basically the equivalent of ''killing'' a baby for its candy. People (idiots) see Free Willy or Series/{{Whale Wars}} and think [[AllAnimalsAreDogs All Whales are aquatic fish-eating puppies]] and forget that teeth are meant for more than just gulping down fish.
*** Whales play with their food before they eat it - sometimes quite voraciously, as in the film. What was more interesting was the fact that they, out of all of the other species in the film, didn't speak. And, it's all the more intriguing when you [[http://www.mckeewildthings.com/3D_animation.htm read why that was]] - the production team realized that whales actually have their own formalized language and dialects, and because of that, they appear with a type of speech all their own.
*** Whales [[TruthInTelevision actually bat their prey around like a hackey sack]] sometimes. It breaks the bones to make it easier to chew.
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* What exactly were those whales trying to accomplish? One of them had Mumble right in his mouth, and all he did was spit him back out and throw him at the other whale.
** Something tells me that if they had made everything bloodthirsty (wasn't the sea leopard NightmareFuel enough??), there'd be people whining about 'Oh, it's too violent for kids' and such. Even though whales do eat penguins, who's to say the whales wouldn't have started chowing down once they tired of their little black and white football?
** People tend to forget that whales and dolphins are a ''major'' case of BewareTheNiceOnes. One case [[Tropers/{{K2Misfit}} I]] remember was seeing a pod of Killer Whales live up to their name by isolating a gray whale calf from it's mother then proceeding to headbutt and drown it to death simply [[ForTheEvulz to eat it's lips]] and left the rest of the body to waste, basically the equivalent of ''killing'' a baby for its candy. People (idiots) see Free Willy or Series/{{Whale Wars}} and think [[AllAnimalsAreDogs All Whales are aquatic fish-eating puppies]] and forget that teeth are meant for more than just gulping down fish.
whale.*** Whales play with their food before they eat it - sometimes quite voraciously, as in the film. What was more interesting was the fact that they, out of all of the other species in the film, didn't speak. And, it's all the more intriguing when you [[http://www.mckeewildthings.com/3D_animation.htm read why that was]] - the production team realized that whales actually have their own formalized language and dialects, and because of that, they appear with a type of speech all their own.
*** ** Whales [[TruthInTelevision actually bat their prey around like a hackey sack]] sometimes. It breaks the bones to make it easier to chew.
** Something tells me that if they had made everything bloodthirsty (wasn't the sea leopard NightmareFuel enough??), there'd be people whining about 'Oh, it's too violent for kids' and such. Even though whales do eat penguins, who's to say the whales wouldn't have started chowing down once they tired of their little black and white football?
** People tend to forget that whales and dolphins are a ''major'' case of BewareTheNiceOnes. One case [[Tropers/{{K2Misfit}} I]] remember was seeing a pod of Killer Whales live up to their name by isolating a gray whale calf from it's mother then proceeding to headbutt and drown it to death simply [[ForTheEvulz to eat it's lips]] and left the rest of the body to waste, basically the equivalent of ''killing'' a baby for its candy. People (idiots) see Free Willy or Series/{{Whale Wars}} and think [[AllAnimalsAreDogs All Whales are aquatic fish-eating puppies]] and forget that teeth are meant for more than just gulping down fish.
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*** Really, aside from the dancing - and, wasn't that kind of the point? - the movements and behaviors of the penguins were entirely naturalistic, as was the intention. The only way I can think of that they could've made them more realistic would've been if they were squirting out droppings every five minutes while they walked.
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*** It's very different, indeed - contextually, subtextually, and etc. And, we're never really told of the attitudes of the Elders or results of the encounter after the story's end, even after that.
*** {{Facepalm}}. I used the wrong analogy. Sorry. But it does seem that they are dancing and singing with the rest of the others
*** Out of necessity, certainly. Well, that's how I always saw it, anyhow. How did that one reviewer put it? - 'And any leader who refuses to change through evolution, will face revolution,' which was one of the themes running throughout the film, but was most evident in those scenes.
*** {{Facepalm}}. I used the wrong analogy. Sorry. But it does seem that they are dancing and singing with the rest of the others
*** Out of necessity, certainly. Well, that's how I always saw it, anyhow. How did that one reviewer put it? - 'And any leader who refuses to change through evolution, will face revolution,' which was one of the themes running throughout the film, but was most evident in those scenes.
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* They made the female penguins busty. I can understand why, but I think it's totally bizarre.
** Female penguins are kind of [[http://www.flickr.com/photos/irisheyes/26068562/ busty, actually.]] The movie just adds a little more. Just so you know who's who.
*** Well, really - both male and females are pretty 'busty;' they simply placed less emphasis on the male penguins and more on the females, while still not stretching too far out of the penguin's physical boundaries. Now I feel all creepy.
** I think it's cute and adorable.
** Female penguins are kind of [[http://www.flickr.com/photos/irisheyes/26068562/ busty, actually.]] The movie just adds a little more. Just so you know who's who.
*** Well, really - both male and females are pretty 'busty;' they simply placed less emphasis on the male penguins and more on the females, while still not stretching too far out of the penguin's physical boundaries. Now I feel all creepy.
** I think it's cute and adorable.
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* They made the female penguins busty. I can understand why, but I think it's totally bizarre.
busty?
** Female penguins are kind of [[http://www.flickr.com/photos/irisheyes/26068562/ busty, actually.]] The movie just adds a little more. Just so you know who's who.\n*** Well, really - both male and females are pretty 'busty;' they simply placed less emphasis on the male penguins and more on the females, while still not stretching too far out of the penguin's physical boundaries. Now I feel all creepy.\n** I think it's cute and adorable.
** Female penguins are kind of [[http://www.flickr.com/photos/irisheyes/26068562/ busty, actually.]] The movie just adds a little more.
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** Because the producers are idiots who think that {{ViewersAreMorons}} and they think that the audience can't tell Mumble apart from the others if he looked completely grown-up (in their opinion). I bet they didn't even trial the film with test audiences.
** Because merchandising needed something cute and cuddly to put in the kids' meals. Photorealistic emperor penguins just don't fly in that case.
*** Uh... photorealistic adult-looking Emperor Penguins can be cute. Just check out these pics: [[http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm102/zairianara/mambodance.jpg]] [[http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm102/zairianara/Mumble_28Regular29_26_Gloria.jpg]]
** Because merchandising needed something cute and cuddly to put in the kids' meals. Photorealistic emperor penguins just don't fly in that case.
*** Uh... photorealistic adult-looking Emperor Penguins can be cute. Just check out these pics: [[http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm102/zairianara/mambodance.jpg]] [[http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm102/zairianara/Mumble_28Regular29_26_Gloria.jpg]]
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** But why [[VoodooShark would he suddenly go from more adult plumage to less? Shouldn't he eventually be completely covered in chick down feathers eventually?]]
** It's another clever little link back to the Accept Autism thing the writers have going with their aesop. A LOT of adults on the Autistic Spectrum never seem to fully mature physically. Mumble being half-covered in chick-down is a shout to him still looking in his mid/late-teens, even when all his friends have moved on to mid-twenties. This is TruthInTelevision for real Aspergers people, who on average rarely ''look'' much older than 20.
*** Let's face it: the producers think {{ViewersAreMorons}}.
*** You... You didn't read the post above you, did you?
** It's another clever little link back to the Accept Autism thing the writers have going with their aesop. A LOT of adults on the Autistic Spectrum never seem to fully mature physically. Mumble being half-covered in chick-down is a shout to him still looking in his mid/late-teens, even when all his friends have moved on to mid-twenties. This is TruthInTelevision for real Aspergers people, who on average rarely ''look'' much older than 20.
*** Let's face it: the producers think {{ViewersAreMorons}}.
*** You... You didn't read the post above you, did you?
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** UnfortunateImplications aside, there's no reason to conclude this, given that Mumble has changed significantly in size, if not plumage, and that Gloria grew up around Mumble; she would have reasons beyond him looking like a baby penguin to be attracted to him.
*** It's still weird. It's equivalent to a human women (weird and creepy picture warning) [[http://imgur.com/gallery/nKYtbSq marrying and having children with someone who looks like this.]] I'm probably taking this too seriously.
*** While the term isn't that literal(people like this usually look like adolescents into adulthood), "baby-faced" people do exist and can marry and start families like any other. By the same logic, Mumble's height and behavior would be enough for Gloria to overlook the fact that he still has his baby feathers.
*** It's still weird. It's equivalent to a human women (weird and creepy picture warning) [[http://imgur.com/gallery/nKYtbSq marrying and having children with someone who looks like this.]] I'm probably taking this too seriously.
*** While the term isn't that literal(people like this usually look like adolescents into adulthood), "baby-faced" people do exist and can marry and start families like any other. By the same logic, Mumble's height and behavior would be enough for Gloria to overlook the fact that he still has his baby feathers.
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** UnfortunateImplications aside, there's no reason to conclude this, given that Mumble has changed significantly in size, if not plumage, and that Gloria grew up around Mumble; she would have reasons beyond him looking like a baby penguin to be attracted to him.
*** It's still weird. It's equivalent to a human women (weird and creepy picture warning) [[http://imgur.com/gallery/nKYtbSq marrying and having children with someone who looks like this.]] I'm probably taking this too seriously.
*** While the term isn't that literal(people like this usually look like adolescents into adulthood), "baby-faced" people do exist and can marry and start families like any other. By the same logic, Mumble's height and behavior would be enough for Gloria to overlook the fact that he still has his baby feathers.him.
*** It's still weird. It's equivalent to a human women (weird and creepy picture warning) [[http://imgur.com/gallery/nKYtbSq marrying and having children with someone who looks like this.]] I'm probably taking this too seriously.
*** While the term isn't that literal(people like this usually look like adolescents into adulthood), "baby-faced" people do exist and can marry and start families like any other. By the same logic, Mumble's height and behavior would be enough for Gloria to overlook the fact that he still has his baby feathers.
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*** It's still weird. It's equivalent to a human women (weird and creepy picture warning) [[http://imgur.com/gallery/nKYtbSq marrying and having children with someone who looks like this.]] I'm probably taking this too seriously.
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*** It's still weird. It's equivalent to a human women (weird and creepy picture warning) [[http://imgur.com/gallery/nKYtbSq marrying and having children with someone who looks like this.]] I'm probably taking this too seriously.seriously.
**** While the term isn't that literal(people like this usually look like adolescents into adulthood), "baby-faced" people do exist and can marry and start families like any other. By the same logic, Mumble's height and behavior would be enough for Gloria to overlook the fact that he still has his baby feathers.
**** While the term isn't that literal(people like this usually look like adolescents into adulthood), "baby-faced" people do exist and can marry and start families like any other. By the same logic, Mumble's height and behavior would be enough for Gloria to overlook the fact that he still has his baby feathers.
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* In the sequel, many of the the penguins are trapped on that high mountain and spend most of the movie trying to get back down. What bugs me is there were a few wide shots of that mountain and on the mountain's sides were steady trails and pathways the penguins could have easily taken to get back down. The movie should have been over in 30 minutes!
** The Penguins on top of the iceberg are trying to free the ones trapped at the bottom by bringing them up to the top, not get down to them.
** But then that adds in some fridge logic pertaining to the first film. How did baby Mumble get all the way up on top of the ice shelf by himself in a short amount of time (when he's dancing to "I Wish" before the Skua show up), while none of the other penguins in the sequel can seem to get up there? Is it that he went all the way around and get very close to the ocean to get up to the top?
** It melted into a more-difficult-to-climb shape. That's the point.
** The Penguins on top of the iceberg are trying to free the ones trapped at the bottom by bringing them up to the top, not get down to them.
** But then that adds in some fridge logic pertaining to the first film. How did baby Mumble get all the way up on top of the ice shelf by himself in a short amount of time (when he's dancing to "I Wish" before the Skua show up), while none of the other penguins in the sequel can seem to get up there? Is it that he went all the way around and get very close to the ocean to get up to the top?
** It melted into a more-difficult-to-climb shape. That's the point.
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* Why did they feel the need to make a sequel? The penguin fad has died off long ago and I have no idea what they need to put aliens in it as well.
** Ok, first of all, [[CompletelyMissingThePoint there are no aliens in it.]] Second, idk, either they had a good idea or they just want to make a franchise. I think it looks kinda cute.
*** There are aliens of a sort - a puffin. Justified MisplacedWildlife.
** Hey, you'll still pay to see it. MoneyDearBoy.
** Im the troper who commented before you. I saw the sequel and it was worth it.
** SequelHook. {{Sequelitis}}. Whatever. Sequels have become an overused gimmick in recent years, like 3D was there for a while. Remember the good old days when sequels weren't commonplace, and for a movie to actually get one was cause for genuine excitement... fast-forward to today, almost ''every single fricken movie Hollywood cranks out'' gets a sequel. Even the mediocre ones. Seriously, try and think of a movie released within the last five years or so that hasn't had a sequel.
*** Shouldn't this conversation be in a forum? Headscrachers are for answering questions, not stating your opinions as if they're facts.
** Ok, first of all, [[CompletelyMissingThePoint there are no aliens in it.]] Second, idk, either they had a good idea or they just want to make a franchise. I think it looks kinda cute.
*** There are aliens of a sort - a puffin. Justified MisplacedWildlife.
** Hey, you'll still pay to see it. MoneyDearBoy.
** Im the troper who commented before you. I saw the sequel and it was worth it.
** SequelHook. {{Sequelitis}}. Whatever. Sequels have become an overused gimmick in recent years, like 3D was there for a while. Remember the good old days when sequels weren't commonplace, and for a movie to actually get one was cause for genuine excitement... fast-forward to today, almost ''every single fricken movie Hollywood cranks out'' gets a sequel. Even the mediocre ones. Seriously, try and think of a movie released within the last five years or so that hasn't had a sequel.
*** Shouldn't this conversation be in a forum? Headscrachers are for answering questions, not stating your opinions as if they're facts.
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* Uh, why is Mumble treated by Gloria in the sequel as making things worse by pointing out that emperor penguins physically cannot fly and that it is false hope to believe so to Eric?
** Because Erik is just a kid and telling him that he's trying to do the impossible might make him even more depressed and feel more like an outcast. It's kind of like telling a kid that there's no Santa Claus. Likewise, finding out your [[BrokenPedestal idol was lying or was wrong]] can be really devestating on a kid. I'm not saying that Mumble wasn't right about Sven (he was), but rather that him dumping all of that negativity onto Erik wasn't a good idea.
** Mumble was pouring salt onto Erik's wounds, and it may have been a reality check, but it was pretty messed up.
*** On the other hand, Erik had just nearly plummeted off a cliff because he thought he might be able to fly. Which would obviously freak any parent out, and prompt a "What the hell were you thinkin?" speech as a reasonable response.
* Am I the only one that saw Eric's supposed outcast status as an InformedAttribute? Sure, he was laughed at when he hurt and crapped himself the first time he tried dancing. But he's still cared for and supported by Mumble, Gloria, Attacus, Bo, Viola, Ramon, and Seymour and they didn't care that he made an ass of himself. They still loved him and supported him. The thing that makes it much more striking is ''that Mumble was much more of an outcast in the first movie'', since the Elders treated him as though he were causing a famine, everyone pretty much hating him or thinking he's insane aside from Gloria, the Amigos, and Norma Jean, and everyone trying to force him to stop being himself. There is no systematic discrimination against Eric.
** I didnt even think the main plot was supposed to be an outcast story.
** OP: But it drives Eric's actions for most of the story. It makes Eric look like he's really overreacting.
*** I'd say Eric considers himself more of an outcast than he actually is because he's a little kid rather than the teenager/young adult Mumble became during the first movie. Little kids exaggerate; it's part of who they are. Cut the little penguin chick some slack.
** Erik doesn't have an outcast status (as mentioned earlier, he's not short of a support system and encouragement from friends and family and he's not incapable of singing or dancing). He has a severe case of Social Anxiety. Those with anxiety find it very stressful to "let loose" and are always fearful of ridicule when they do express themselves openly. The opening of the movie where he's introduced makes this crystal clear: he's content to watch the festivities and has to be encouraged to join in, only to be very embarrassed to have an accident. Like the troper before stated, yes, he does consider himself an outcast, but it's TruthInTelevision that those with anxiety don't feel that people can understand them or fully connect with them.
* Was I the only one bothered by how the Amigos, aside from Ramon, seem to latch so quickly onto Sven's ideology, despite how the first movie proved that Lovelace was making things up and Raul even says "IKnewIt! It was all a lie!" when they find things out in the first movement?
** People...erm, Penguins can be stupid like that. It's not unusual for us to latch onto someone whom we think is a great role model/leader, find out he's a fraud, leave him, and move onto the next SnakeOilSalesman. The more amazing someone sounds, the more we want to be a part of their group and we want them to lead us to greatness. Sven's message of "You can do anything if you put your mind to it" was further enhanced by him being a puffin, a bird that can fly and that the penguins had never seen before (Hence why they thought he was a flying penguin). To them, Sven was a miracle worker and they thought that him leading them would bring them a new era of prosperity. In other words, it's like all the other religious and political leaders out there. They promise big things, but can only deliver the small ones...if even that.
** Because Erik is just a kid and telling him that he's trying to do the impossible might make him even more depressed and feel more like an outcast. It's kind of like telling a kid that there's no Santa Claus. Likewise, finding out your [[BrokenPedestal idol was lying or was wrong]] can be really devestating on a kid. I'm not saying that Mumble wasn't right about Sven (he was), but rather that him dumping all of that negativity onto Erik wasn't a good idea.
** Mumble was pouring salt onto Erik's wounds, and it may have been a reality check, but it was pretty messed up.
*** On the other hand, Erik had just nearly plummeted off a cliff because he thought he might be able to fly. Which would obviously freak any parent out, and prompt a "What the hell were you thinkin?" speech as a reasonable response.
* Am I the only one that saw Eric's supposed outcast status as an InformedAttribute? Sure, he was laughed at when he hurt and crapped himself the first time he tried dancing. But he's still cared for and supported by Mumble, Gloria, Attacus, Bo, Viola, Ramon, and Seymour and they didn't care that he made an ass of himself. They still loved him and supported him. The thing that makes it much more striking is ''that Mumble was much more of an outcast in the first movie'', since the Elders treated him as though he were causing a famine, everyone pretty much hating him or thinking he's insane aside from Gloria, the Amigos, and Norma Jean, and everyone trying to force him to stop being himself. There is no systematic discrimination against Eric.
** I didnt even think the main plot was supposed to be an outcast story.
** OP: But it drives Eric's actions for most of the story. It makes Eric look like he's really overreacting.
*** I'd say Eric considers himself more of an outcast than he actually is because he's a little kid rather than the teenager/young adult Mumble became during the first movie. Little kids exaggerate; it's part of who they are. Cut the little penguin chick some slack.
** Erik doesn't have an outcast status (as mentioned earlier, he's not short of a support system and encouragement from friends and family and he's not incapable of singing or dancing). He has a severe case of Social Anxiety. Those with anxiety find it very stressful to "let loose" and are always fearful of ridicule when they do express themselves openly. The opening of the movie where he's introduced makes this crystal clear: he's content to watch the festivities and has to be encouraged to join in, only to be very embarrassed to have an accident. Like the troper before stated, yes, he does consider himself an outcast, but it's TruthInTelevision that those with anxiety don't feel that people can understand them or fully connect with them.
* Was I the only one bothered by how the Amigos, aside from Ramon, seem to latch so quickly onto Sven's ideology, despite how the first movie proved that Lovelace was making things up and Raul even says "IKnewIt! It was all a lie!" when they find things out in the first movement?
** People...erm, Penguins can be stupid like that. It's not unusual for us to latch onto someone whom we think is a great role model/leader, find out he's a fraud, leave him, and move onto the next SnakeOilSalesman. The more amazing someone sounds, the more we want to be a part of their group and we want them to lead us to greatness. Sven's message of "You can do anything if you put your mind to it" was further enhanced by him being a puffin, a bird that can fly and that the penguins had never seen before (Hence why they thought he was a flying penguin). To them, Sven was a miracle worker and they thought that him leading them would bring them a new era of prosperity. In other words, it's like all the other religious and political leaders out there. They promise big things, but can only deliver the small ones...if even that.
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