History Headscratchers / GrimFandango

27th Apr '16 12:27:35 PM aye_amber
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** Maybe they don't if they're not reaped? Having enjoyed both TheBookOfLife and [[WesternAnimation Southpark]] here's a WMG: 1. Land of the Remembered, 2. Land of the Forgotten, 3. ???, 4. Profit.

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** Maybe they don't if they're not reaped? Having enjoyed both TheBookOfLife WesternAnimation/TheBookOfLife and [[WesternAnimation Southpark]] WesternAnimation/SouthPark, here's a WMG: 1. Land of the Remembered, 2. Land of the Forgotten, 3. ???, 4. Profit.
25th Aug '15 7:23:52 PM rjd1922
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** The impression I had of it was that they were not sales agents bargaining over it, they were distributing the rewards one had earned. A bureaucracy, not a shop. Manny didn't try to sell the guy who got the walking stick a better package, he just said 'this is what you get'. Don't you think the one who traveled in a packing crate full of foam would have gotten a better deal if he could? Although with the 'agents' getting points toward their own afterlife with the quality of their clients, it does seem like there's something like sales going on. [[MST3kMantra Probably best not to think about it too much]].

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** The impression I had of it was that they were not sales agents bargaining over it, they were distributing the rewards one had earned. A bureaucracy, not a shop. Manny didn't try to sell the guy who got the walking stick a better package, he just said 'this is what you get'. Don't you think the one who traveled in a packing crate full of foam would have gotten a better deal if he could? Although with the 'agents' getting points toward their own afterlife with the quality of their clients, it does seem like there's something like sales going on. [[MST3kMantra [[MST3KMantra Probably best not to think about it too much]].
25th Aug '15 7:23:16 PM rjd1922
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* I have a question about Salvador; "What did he do to end up working as a reaper?" He said himself the he used to be a reaper for the D.O.D. Correct me if i' m wrong, but; don't people who work at the D.O.D are the ones who did wrongful deeds in their past lives and decided to make it up by being reapers instead of walking? As the viewer/player can possibly tell how Manny could've ended up working for the D.O.D. He's very competitive, manipulative, dangerously genre savvy, a thief, and quite possible more. In general, hes is a loveable rogue. Salvador seem to have some of same qualities as well as a strong sense of loyalty. But we later found out that he was qualified for a golden ticket on the number nine. Which raises more questions about him, a). how long was he with the D.O.D? b). was his crimes in life was so bad that he needed to work there?
** My guess is that he was one of the first people LeMans & Co stole a No. 9 ticket from, before they had fully refined the scam into dumping those clients at the lightbulb mines at the edge of the world. I'll bet they thought - hey, as long as this guy can't leave, let's tell him he's actually indebted to the DOD and get him to work for us in the bargain! But Sal found out and went underground, and Domino had to come up with a better plan to deal with former clients.

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\n* I have a question about Salvador; "What did he do to end up working as a reaper?" He said himself the he used to be a reaper for the D.O.D. Correct me if i' m wrong, but; don't people who work at the D.O.D are the ones who did wrongful deeds in their past lives and decided to make it up by being reapers instead of walking? As the viewer/player can possibly tell how Manny could've ended up working for the D.O.D. He's very competitive, manipulative, dangerously genre savvy, GenreSavvy, a thief, and quite possible more. In general, hes he is a loveable rogue.LoveableRogue. Salvador seem to have some of same qualities as well as a strong sense of loyalty. But we later found out that he was qualified for a golden ticket on the number nine. Which raises more questions about him, a). how long was he with the D.O.D? b). was his crimes in life was so bad that he needed to work there?
** My guess is that he was one of the first people LeMans [=LeMans=] & Co stole a No. 9 ticket from, before they had fully refined the scam into dumping those clients at the lightbulb mines at the edge of the world. I'll bet they thought - hey, as long as this guy can't leave, let's tell him he's actually indebted to the DOD and get him to work for us in the bargain! But Sal found out and went underground, and Domino had to come up with a better plan to deal with former clients.
10th Aug '15 6:11:56 PM Zhale
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* I have another question; it's about the people in the two cities. So in the beginning of the game you can see several people (including the clown and and counting the D.O.D workers as well) at the Day of the Dead festival and in Ruba Carbra. So are those people refusing to walk or are they working to pay of their debt or get some funds for there journey? and if the last are the case, so do they do that every year? And what happen if you refuse to walk the four or three years?
** Some give up hope of reaching the Ninth Underworld or even stop believing in it. And if you refuse to make the journey, you effectively condemn yourself to the Eight Underworld, with all its dangers. There is no enforcement of any rules other than the gatekeeper, so presumbaly the only real rule is that you can enter the Ninth as long as you don't cheat yourself into it.

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* I have another question; it's about the people in the two cities. So in the beginning of the game you can see several people (including the clown and and counting the D.O.D workers as well) at the Day of the Dead festival and in Ruba Carbra.Rubacava. So are those people refusing to walk or are they working to pay of their debt or get some funds for there journey? and if the last are the case, so do they do that every year? And what happen if you refuse to walk the four or three years?
** Some give up hope of reaching the Ninth Underworld or even stop believing in it. And if you refuse to make the journey, you effectively condemn yourself to the Eight Eighth Underworld, with all its dangers. There is no enforcement of any rules other than the gatekeeper, so presumbaly presumably the only real rule is that you can enter the Ninth as long as you don't cheat yourself into it.it.



** The ticket's ''aren't'' interchangeable; why do you think Nick went plunging headfirst into hell when he tried to use somebody else's? It's not clear if it's because he doesn't know better or he's just desperate and in denial (the latter seems more likely, since he's smart), but for one reason or another, Hector has convinced himself that he can bribe his way into heaven through sheer quantity of stolen tickets.

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** The ticket's tickets ''aren't'' interchangeable; why do you think Nick went plunging headfirst into hell when he tried to use somebody else's? It's not clear if it's because he doesn't know better or he's just desperate and in denial (the latter seems more likely, since he's smart), but for one reason or another, Hector has convinced himself that he can bribe his way into heaven through sheer quantity of stolen tickets.
9th Aug '15 5:34:54 AM Zhale
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** Maybe they don't if they're not reaped? Having enjoyed both TheBookOfLife and [[WesternAnimation Southpark]] here's a WMG: 1. Land of the Remembered, 2. Land of the Forgotten, 3. ???, 4. Profit.

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** Maybe they don't if they're not reaped? Having enjoyed both TheBookOfLife and [[WesternAnimation Southpark]] here's a WMG: 1. Land of the Remembered, 2. Land of the Forgotten, 3. ???, 4. Profit.Profit.

*If the majority of stays in the Land of the Dead are supposed to be temporary, why are there so many skyscrapers in El Marrow? For that matter, who built and maintains the freeways? Sure we could handwave it as "the elementals/demons did it" but that just raises the question of "why?". It doesn't seem like demons work at super speed or anything.
30th Jul '15 8:36:45 PM Zhale
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** Maybe they don't if they're not reaped? Having enjoyed both [[Film TheBookOfLife]] and [[WesternAnimation Southpark]] here's a WMG: 1. Land of the Remembered, 2. Land of the Forgotten, 3. ???, 4. Profit.

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** Maybe they don't if they're not reaped? Having enjoyed both [[Film TheBookOfLife]] TheBookOfLife and [[WesternAnimation Southpark]] here's a WMG: 1. Land of the Remembered, 2. Land of the Forgotten, 3. ???, 4. Profit.
30th Jul '15 8:36:20 PM Zhale
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* I have a question about Salvador; "What did he do to end up working as a reaper?" He said himself the he use to be a reaper for the D.O.D. Correct me if i' m wrong, but; don't people who work at the D.O.D are the ones who did wrongful deeds in their past lives and decided to make it up by being reapers instead of walking? As the viewer/player can possibly tell how Manny could've ended up working for the D.O.D. He's very competitive, manipulative, dangerously genre savvy, a thief, and quite possible more. In general, hes is a loveable rogue. Salvador seem to have some of same qualities as well as a strong sense of loyalty. But we later found out that he was qualified for a golden ticket on the number nine. Which raises more questions about him, a). how long was he with the D.O.D? b). was his crimes in life was so bad that he needed to work there?

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* I have a question about Salvador; "What did he do to end up working as a reaper?" He said himself the he use used to be a reaper for the D.O.D. Correct me if i' m wrong, but; don't people who work at the D.O.D are the ones who did wrongful deeds in their past lives and decided to make it up by being reapers instead of walking? As the viewer/player can possibly tell how Manny could've ended up working for the D.O.D. He's very competitive, manipulative, dangerously genre savvy, a thief, and quite possible more. In general, hes is a loveable rogue. Salvador seem to have some of same qualities as well as a strong sense of loyalty. But we later found out that he was qualified for a golden ticket on the number nine. Which raises more questions about him, a). how long was he with the D.O.D? b). was his crimes in life was so bad that he needed to work there?



* What are the first seven underworlds and why do souls get to skip them?

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* What are the first seven underworlds and why do souls get to skip them?them?
** Maybe they don't if they're not reaped? Having enjoyed both [[Film TheBookOfLife]] and [[WesternAnimation Southpark]] here's a WMG: 1. Land of the Remembered, 2. Land of the Forgotten, 3. ???, 4. Profit.
30th Jul '15 7:35:48 PM Zhale
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** I think he wanted her to cool her down and have her either a). get her head straight and go back being cooperative like she was before or b). leave her in there and ditch the island. Almost as if to say "not a total lost".

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** I think he wanted her to cool her down and have her either a). get her head straight and go back being cooperative like she was before or b). leave her in there and ditch the island. Almost as if to say "not a total lost".loss".
30th Jul '15 7:34:40 PM Zhale
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** The whole thing is kind of vague, but yes, it seems to be a mix of good deeds and money you were buried with, though the money part is only briefly mentioned, and not at all when Meche is in the office. But you don't have to take the deal that is owed to you, you can chose to convert the ticket to money and use the money to stay in the Land of the Dead, as many has, carving out a sort of (after)life for themselves. And people can pick a cheaper ticket, get the ticket and left-over money, leave the office with some cash on their hands, before they start their journey. Again, kind of vague, but that is how I understand it.

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** The whole thing is kind of vague, but yes, it seems to be a mix of good deeds and money you were buried with, though the money part is only briefly mentioned, and not at all when Meche is in the office. But you don't have to take the deal that is owed to you, you can chose to convert the ticket to money and use the money to stay in the Land of the Dead, as many has, have, carving out a sort of (after)life for themselves. And people can pick a cheaper ticket, get the ticket and left-over money, leave the office with some cash on their hands, before they start their journey. Again, kind of vague, but that is how I understand it.
3rd Jul '15 4:50:41 PM Generality
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** My guess is that the money thing was the first element of corruption in the system. Originally, it was probably more like community service: a reaper's job was to escort souls to the underworld, explain the system to them, give them the best equipment they qualified for and send them on their way. Do it long enough and they were free to go. But then some manager (Copal or his predecessor) got the idea that if these saintly souls were going to the next afterlife, they might as well leave their money behind for his enjoyment. So he started charging for upgrades, and to motivate the workers, told them that selling upgrades would get their penance done faster.




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** It might also be that when a reaper completes his service he gets a Double-N ticket as a reward. After all, Manny got one that way, and having to walk after already completing penance in the underworld would be double jeopardy. So Sal earned his ticket, but someone in upper management stole it and lied about his status. He got suspicious and eventually turned rebel.



** The ticket's ''aren't'' interchangeable; why do you think Nick went plunging headfirst into hell when he tried to use somebody else's? It's not clear if it's because he doesn't know better or he's just desperate and in denial (the latter seems more likely, since he's smart), but for one reason or another, Hector has convinced himself that he can bribe his way into heaven through sheer quantity of stolen tickets.

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** The ticket's ''aren't'' interchangeable; why do you think Nick went plunging headfirst into hell when he tried to use somebody else's? It's not clear if it's because he doesn't know better or he's just desperate and in denial (the latter seems more likely, since he's smart), but for one reason or another, Hector has convinced himself that he can bribe his way into heaven through sheer quantity of stolen tickets.tickets.

* What are the first seven underworlds and why do souls get to skip them?
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