History Headscratchers / GoldenSun

* So let me see if I understand Saturos and Menardi's plan? First, they without ever bothering with an olive branch of peace to calmly discuss their plight with the authorities of Vale, break into someone else's property to try to steal the Elemental Stars, set off a trap which dang near kills Vale, assault locals, return years later and threaten a local famous scholar, then kidnap said scholar along with another local, then travel the globe with them (plus an unwilling pawn whose family they have hostage and an untrustworthy stranger), then cause as much damage as they can to everyone they meet along the way creating a trail of carnage a blind dying rat that's lost its sense of smell could follow as they go making enemies of literally everyone they meet, kidnap a Messiah figure, constantly backstab and threaten to get their way even with their own "allies", and just act with superiority complexes and violence all around. Then they act shocked that this ultimately doesn't end well for them. [[TooStupidToLive Too stupid to live]], indeed.

** Yes, though some tweeks had to be made with the planetary associations in the change from the east's five element system to the west's for element system.

* In the Lost Age, the price at the Inn changes with you're number of characters, for example, at Dalia, the price when you have Felix, Jenna, and Sheeba is 6 coins, and goes up to 8 when you add Piers. When Isaac and the group from GS1 joins it goes up to 16 coins. Yeah I get it, two coins per character, but here's the thing, what about Kraden? Why don't they charge for him?

** 4. When he learns he may soon die of old age (At 150 years old!) he invades another city, kidnaps it's Messiah (a 14 year old girl), and uses her to black mail the population into working as slave labor to build him a tower atop that city's sacred ruins on the off chance that looking from high up the tower will allow him to see where Lemuria is so he'll have a slightly increased chance of returning, so he can steal more immortality potion.

*** Babi didn't actually do anything evil to either group in the games. All we really know about him is that he didn't want to die painfully and kept a large city running fairly. He may well have been a very benevolent (or at least not malign) ruler who simply wanted to know that his kingdom could run smoothly. Ignoring all that, he was the only hope any of the group had for navigating the Venus Lighthouse thanks to it's ruined state.
*** Actually, after Piers joins your party and you return to Madra before meeting Karst and getting Cyclone, the towns people state that they meet Isaac and company. We also find out they did find Lemuria, but couldn't defeat Poseidon. They went east to find Felix's group and Piers but you came back before you could meet up.

* why are there no water Adepts in the Apojis? There are Wind Adepts in Garoh, Fire Adepts in Kimbombo, and Earth Adepts in Izumo. The Apojis are just as close to Aqua rock as those other towns are to their elemental rocks, so why no Adepts?

*** Except he and that girl with him explicitely state that they're members of the Mercury Clan.

**** Clans seem to be mainly a cultural thing though. The only thing that's ever given any significance within the games is the element a person is aligned to, but I have figured out how your theory can still work in the context of the games. Look at all the other adept settlements, except for Lemuria, they're only exposed to one element by proximity to a lighthouse or an elemental rock. Adepts in Vale however, are exposed to all four elements by proximity to Mt. Aleph and the elemental stars. Isaac, Felix, Jenna, and Garet would have developed a stronger resistance to their opposing elements by constant exposure that members of the individual clans wouldn't have. Similar to how symptoms of airborn allergies can be relieved by prolonged exposure to trace amount of the allergens in question. So Garet would have been affected by the beacon if the party had spent more time in the lighthouse. It was just taking longer because Garet has been exposed to some noticable amount of water elemental energy his whole life, while for Saturos and Menardi, it was their first time being exposed to anything more than the most trace amounts of their oposing element.
**** Above is a good enough explanation, but its really gameplay and story segregation. Your party has access to Dijinn, so there is not guarantee that Garet hasn't slapped on a bunch of water elementals and Ivan is the party's go to fire starter. Programming all the possibilities probably became a headache.

* why would it take so long for the problems with the release of psynergy take 20-30 years to pop up rather than be a more immediate effect like the proxians make it sound?
** Because Weyard was kinda dying at the time, if you'll recall. Evidently it took 20-30 years for it to be satiated, at which point overflow finally started and there was enough excess psyenergy for probelms to start. For the interim period, most of the energy was feeding the planet and repairing the lost and damaged land.

** That's a damn good point! In order to get into Venus Lighthouse you need to use Reveal (at least three times) and none of Alex's group would know it! Near the end of the first game we're lead to believe that Sheba get's them in, but Sheba doesn't even know Reveal yet! She doesn't learn it until Air's rock!

** A towns person later in the game notes that the eruption nearly split the continent in two and as you later find out first hand, its sprayed psynergy stones all over the planet. It was a very powerful eruption. Wise One was able to save the continent and the town right next to it, so good enough.

* What's with Sheba's change in personality between games? in Golden Sun she cries her eyes out over the fact that she'll never see Lalivero again, but in the Lost Age she'd rather travel the Eastern Sea with Felix, and refuses to return to Lalivero because they "might not let her leave". Make up your mind girl!

** Does [[http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20101014122911/goldensun/images/3/31/Stella.png this
]] look like a werewolf to you?

* To whomever put the new info for Stella, may I please see your sources indicating that she is a member of a new race, as opposed to being from the ''canon village of Jupiter-Adept werewolves?''

*** No, not Alex, the kid in the Sanctum, who appears in the place of the [[NurseJenny guy in every town]] who will cure down/curse/poison ect.

***** But that would give us three warrior-style adepts and one mage-style adept. Unless Dark Dawn has a total of eight playable party members, that seems very unlikely. Especially since there's a screenshot showing the HP values of a fourth character name Crown, [[strike: who, based on HP values and the elements of the other three characters, would appear to be a water adept with Ivan and Jenna's fighting style.]]

***** But that would give us three warrior-style adepts and one mage-style adept. Unless Dark Dawn has a total of eight playable party members, that seems very unlikely. Especially since there's a screenshot showing the HP values of a fourth character name Crown, who, based on HP values and the elements of the other three characters, would appear to be a water adept with Ivan and Jenna's fighting style.