History Headscratchers / GoingPostal

19th Dec '15 1:33:46 PM Discar
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Folderizing and Example Indentation.
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*** I'm guessing the difference it would have made would have been when Moist was sure that Nobby was the werewolf. *** Moist was never sure Nobby was the werewolf: near the start of ''Discworld/MakingMoney'' the narration simply notes that it's "widely rumoured" to be Nobby. Moist doesn't seem to have given the identity of the werewolf any real thought until he realises it's Angua. **** (S)he may have been mistaking Moist for William de Worde from The Truth who knew about the rumour of a werewolf in the Watch, and is damn certain it's Nobby - he says so to Vimes and - if I remember correctly - to Angua herself.
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*** ** I'm guessing the difference it would have made would have been when Moist was sure that Nobby was the werewolf. *** ** Moist was never sure Nobby was the werewolf: near the start of ''Discworld/MakingMoney'' the narration simply notes that it's "widely rumoured" to be Nobby. Moist doesn't seem to have given the identity of the werewolf any real thought until he realises it's Angua. **** ** (S)he may have been mistaking Moist for William de Worde from The Truth who knew about the rumour of a werewolf in the Watch, and is damn certain it's Nobby - he says so to Vimes and - if I remember correctly - to Angua herself.

*** I'm guessing the difference it would have made would have been when Moist was sure that Nobby was the werewolf. *** Moist was never sure Nobby was the werewolf: near the start of ''Discworld/MakingMoney'' the narration simply notes that it's "widely rumoured" to be Nobby. Moist doesn't seem to have given the identity of the werewolf any real thought until he realises it's Angua. **** (S)he may have been mistaking Moist for William de Worde from The Truth who knew about the rumour of a werewolf in the Watch, and is damn certain it's Nobby - he says so to Vimes and - if I remember correctly - to Angua herself. [[/folder]] [[folder:Crispin's death]]

*** I'm guessing [[/folder]] [[folder:All the difference it would have made would have been when Moist was sure that Nobby was the werewolf. *** Moist was never sure Nobby was the werewolf: near the start voices of ''Discworld/MakingMoney'' the narration simply notes that it's "widely rumoured" to be Nobby. Moist doesn't seem to have given the identity of the werewolf any real thought until he realises it's Angua. **** (S)he may have been mistaking Moist for William de Worde from The Truth who knew about the rumour of a werewolf in the Watch, and is damn certain it's Nobby - he says so to Vimes and - if I remember correctly - to Angua herself.men]]

*** I'm guessing [[/folder]] [[folder:Leaving the difference it would have made would have been when Moist was sure that Nobby was the werewolf. *** Moist was never sure Nobby was the werewolf: near the start of ''Discworld/MakingMoney'' the narration simply notes that it's "widely rumoured" to be Nobby. Moist doesn't seem to have given the identity of the werewolf any real thought until he realises it's Angua. **** (S)he may have been mistaking Moist for William de Worde from The Truth who knew about the rumour of a werewolf in the Watch, and is damn certain it's Nobby - he says so to Vimes and - if I remember correctly - to Angua herself.room]]

** Agreed. Also, Moist had to come into the room by some means. Even Vetinari had to and it is highly doubtful there would be a one-way entrance to the room. The Patrician doesn't seem the type to have a slide-entrance. It's just the door referred to as the exit that has the hole in it.
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** ** Agreed. Also, Moist had to come into the room by some means. Even Vetinari had to and it is highly doubtful there would be a one-way entrance to the room. The Patrician doesn't seem the type to have a slide-entrance. It's just the door referred to as the exit that has the hole in it.

*** {{Knights and Knaves}}?
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*** ** {{Knights and Knaves}}?Knaves}}? [[/folder]] [[folder:Auditing the Grand Trunk]]

*** Besides, when it comes down to it, he cheerfully uses that power in both ''Going Postal'' and ''Making Money''.
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*** ** Besides, when it comes down to it, he cheerfully uses that power in both ''Going Postal'' and ''Making Money''.

** It is also important that he had a precedent to do it at the end of the book and not the beginning. It would be immensely costly in terms of political capital to do it, and there was no way to be sure that he could force an audit deep enough to uncover the tracks leading to the actual evidence of crimes; failing to find that evidence would mean that such an audit would be very damaging to Vetinari's future endeavors. On the other hand, after Moist pulled his shenanigans with the Genua race and successfully passed it off as originating from within the company itself, Vetinari had plenty of pretext and nobody in the city was going to argue when he stripped the company bare down to the core and started "disappearing" bad spots.
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** It is also important that he had a precedent to do it at the end of the book and not the beginning. It would be immensely costly in terms of political capital to do it, and there was no way to be sure that he could force an audit deep enough to uncover the tracks leading to the actual evidence of crimes; failing to find that evidence would mean that such an audit would be very damaging to Vetinari's future endeavors. On the other hand, after Moist pulled his shenanigans with the Genua race and successfully passed it off as originating from within the company itself, Vetinari had plenty of pretext and nobody in the city was going to argue when he stripped the company bare down to the core and started "disappearing" bad spots.spots. [[/folder]]
20th Nov '15 9:46:47 AM kefkakrazy
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** In addition to the other comments, it also doesn't hurt that Gilt tends to view murder as the path of least resistance, owing to the fact that he has a nigh-untraceable, totally trustworthy, and supremely efficient killer on his payroll.

** Vetinari was indicating a specific door in his office, I suspect, probably with the unspoken implication that should Moist attempt to TakeAThirdOption and bolt via the regular entrance, he wouldn't make it too far.

** He also, like Moist, knew that shutting down the clacks was a bad idea. He needed someone reliable to take over and knew better than to just leave it with the Dearhearts.
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** He also, like Moist, knew that shutting down the clacks was a bad idea. He needed someone reliable to take over and knew better than to just leave it with the Dearhearts.Dearhearts. ** It is also important that he had a precedent to do it at the end of the book and not the beginning. It would be immensely costly in terms of political capital to do it, and there was no way to be sure that he could force an audit deep enough to uncover the tracks leading to the actual evidence of crimes; failing to find that evidence would mean that such an audit would be very damaging to Vetinari's future endeavors. On the other hand, after Moist pulled his shenanigans with the Genua race and successfully passed it off as originating from within the company itself, Vetinari had plenty of pretext and nobody in the city was going to argue when he stripped the company bare down to the core and started "disappearing" bad spots.
15th Jan '15 5:12:22 AM Khurzog
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*** [[KnightsAndKnaves]]?{{Knights and Knaves}}?
15th Jan '15 5:09:17 AM Khurzog
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*** [[KnightsAndKnaves]]?
18th Nov '14 8:54:54 PM Whyhow
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*** Besides, when it comes down to it, he cheerfully uses that power in both ''Going Postal'' and ''Making Money''.
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*** Besides, when it comes down to it, he cheerfully uses that power in both ''Going Postal'' and ''Making Money''.Money''. ** He also, like Moist, knew that shutting down the clacks was a bad idea. He needed someone reliable to take over and knew better than to just leave it with the Dearhearts.
12th Nov '14 9:42:55 AM Wereboar
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** Also, being a good liar and machinator he could have been considering Horsefry as much less honest that he appeared, even by projection alone. So, having no warranty that the books were the only copies and Horsefry didn't hold copies hidden to use them for blackmail, Gilt decided to solve the matter in the most straightforward way possible.
17th Sep '14 6:58:09 AM CrypticMirror
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** Pin collecting is a niche market, even by Ankh Morpork standards, so whatever technology they are using to make display paper (which could just be a Dwarf individually pricking holes) is going to be a bit dodgy. Moist needs several things, he needs it to be regular, reliable, cheap, done in squares, and to be done at Teemer and Spools where the stamps are made. That is going to need a new press no matter what, because I really doubt Teemer and Spools themselves are doing the perforated pin paper. It is less them inventing a new technology than it is adapting an existing one and heavily modifying their own machines to reproduce it. No small undertaking, and definitely one that would require new processes.
25th Aug '14 1:19:24 PM Circeus
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** Even if they didn't like Gilt, there are powerful people in Ankh-Morpork who wouldn't like the precedent it'd set. Part of the secret of Vetinari's long tenure as Patrician is that he doesn't let himself ''seem'' to be ruling much of anything: he graciously asks the Guilds for their input all the time, sets up loads of committees where their opinions are duly aired, then does exactly what he wants to do while thanking them for "suggesting" he do so. Suddenly breaking this habit to slam down an individual business without due process would upset a ''lot'' of factions who've come to rely on his steadiness.
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** Even if they didn't like Gilt, there are powerful people in Ankh-Morpork who wouldn't like the precedent it'd set. Part of the secret of Vetinari's long tenure as Patrician is that he doesn't let himself ''seem'' to be ruling much of anything: he graciously asks the Guilds for their input all the time, sets up loads of committees where their opinions are duly aired, then does exactly what he wants to do while thanking them for "suggesting" he do so. Suddenly breaking this habit to slam down an individual business without due process would upset a ''lot'' of factions who've come to rely on his steadiness.steadiness. ***Besides, when it comes down to it, he cheerfully uses that power in both ''Going Postal'' and ''Making Money''.
25th Aug '14 1:15:49 PM Circeus
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*** Moist was never sure Nobby was the werewolf -- near the start of ''Discworld/MakingMoney'' the narration simply notes that it's "widely rumoured" to be Nobby. Moist doesn't seem to have given the identity of the werewolf any real thought until he realises it's Angua. ***** (S)he may have been mistaking Moist for William de Worde from The Truth who knew about the rumour of a werewolf in the Watch, and is damn certain it's Nobby - he says so to Vimes and - if I remember correctly - to Angua herself.
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*** Moist was never sure Nobby was the werewolf -- werewolf: near the start of ''Discworld/MakingMoney'' the narration simply notes that it's "widely rumoured" to be Nobby. Moist doesn't seem to have given the identity of the werewolf any real thought until he realises it's Angua. ***** **** (S)he may have been mistaking Moist for William de Worde from The Truth who knew about the rumour of a werewolf in the Watch, and is damn certain it's Nobby - he says so to Vimes and - if I remember correctly - to Angua herself.
29th Jul '14 8:35:58 AM FinnSolomon
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** Presumably the other kind of perforated paper couldn't match up to the extremely precise measurements set by Stanley, and the new machine replicates it.
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