History Headscratchers / GirlsUndPanzer

24th Nov '17 7:35:25 AM teh_nubkilr
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*** In the Japanese, Darjeeling actually said ''gehin no tatakai-kata''. This is literally "low-class way of fighting" and is a bit different from "dirty tactics" ''per se''. It might mean nothing more than the fact she matched numbers from the start while Saunders and Pravda both used their numerical superiority. Certainly Orange Pekoe and Darjeeling discussed Saunders' using their numbers in a disparaging manner.

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*** In the Japanese, Darjeeling actually said ''gehin no tatakai-kata''. This is literally "low-class way of fighting" and is a bit different from "dirty tactics" ''per se''. It might mean nothing more than the fact she matched numbers from the start while Saunders and Pravda both used their numerical superiority. Certainly Orange Pekoe and Darjeeling discussed Saunders' using their numbers in a disparaging manner.



** To you, perhaps. There is a distinction between actually taking lives (you might notice they are allowed to get quite close, though) and putting the rescue of them second. In the show's zeigeist, the latter is clearly an acceptable attitude. The zeitgeist in an anime does not have to be the same as ours.
24th Nov '17 7:34:16 AM teh_nubkilr
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** Because standardized rosters are boring. Imagine how much fun it'll be if everyone has to use only Shermans. However, you might note that it is really only KMM that's completely over the top. Saunders could probably afford at least a few Pershings but all we actually see in show are Shermans. St. Glorianna uses Matildas and Churchills. Even Pravda (which supposedly has something to do with KMM re-equipping with heavier equipment) has a set of T-34/76s to go along with its IS-2 and -85s. I'll say that in addition to finances, everyone (except for KMM) does get what Tankery is supposed to be all about, so they exercise self-restraint in equipment.
*** Certainly you might notice that for a school that dominated for 10 years, insiders are not necessarily awed by it. Perhaps they decided if KMM wants to win that way, then we let them win, send them perfunctory congratulations and then politely ignore them.
*** Finally, you would also note that in the end, KMM wound up paying the karma - after long years of dominating the field with its equipment, its skills had deteoriated to the extent in essence it not only lost to a bunch of total beginners, but made themselves look like complete rookies next to veterans doing it. If Oarai didn't do it this year, another team might get the honor in a year or two. Maybe the organizers decided to let natural selection run its course rather than impose fun-robbing restrictions.
** Well, consider this: we've only seen two types of tank battle: Total Annihilation (the Gloriana battle) and Flag (all the others). In the Total Annihilation battle, the two teams ''did'' have equal numbers of tanks, presumably because having excessive numbers would be too much of an advantage, but in Flag they don't. The League could simply take the view that having low numbers is simply a circumstance that requires a different set of tactics than having large numbers, and that's something the tankists should adapt to, as IRL tank commanders have had to throughout history. I mean, the KMM game is a good example. Oarai uses what are basically the equivalent of tank guerilla tactics to outsmart their adversary, relying on mobility rather than firepower against a technically superior and larger force who have difficulty co-ordinating due to their size. To respond to the poster above; I wouldn't say KMM look like amateurs - aside from Erika's charge, they don't display any marked incompetence - but what they do look like is a large, unwieldy force that is ultimately stopped by its difficulty in responding to small, spearing attacks from a more mobile and co-ordinated adversary. Notice how KMM needs a "sub-commander" (Miho, replaced by Erika), whilst Oarai don't bother. What happened in the KMM fight was the same thing that Oarai did in the Saunders and Pravda fights: against a superior force, they hid, used their mobility, and lured the enemy flag-tank into an ambush. Historically speaking, a lack of numbers is not necessarily a disadvantage.
*** KMM did a very bad job of utilizing their assets. They gave up initiative pretty badly by simply bunching up their tanks into a single formation (with better than 2-1 numbers in addition to a mass and armor advantage they could have easily split into two groups to better respond to Oarai and limit their ability to maneuver. On the hill, KMM deployed its forces too close together in a single line and really, failing to watch for the Hetzer and being completely unable to deal with it. And finally, they deployed the Maus completely unsupported (The Panzer III doesn't count since all it did was hide behind the thing) in a city, where the tank's sheer size inhibited its movements and effectiveness and Oarai was able to evade it and come up with a plan to deal with it. If it had had even a couple of tanks actually working with it to block off Oarai's ability to retreat it would have been a much shorter match. They'd obviously trained for high individual skill in gunnery and driving, but their tactical ability was the weakest of any of the schools.
24th Nov '17 7:32:55 AM teh_nubkilr
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** Probably because she was only dozing - she was awake when the match started and went into the lightest of slumbers - her brainwaves are likely still in Alpha rather than those deeper stages.

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** Probably This is because she was only dozing - she was taking a nap and had been shown to be awake when prior to the match started and went into match, making it easier to get back in the lightest swing of slumbers - her brainwaves are likely still in Alpha rather than those deeper stages.things.
16th Jul '17 9:37:46 AM nombretomado
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*** Japan's military budget is the 5th largest in the world, slightly ahead of France.[[note]]The "Self Defense Forces" may be constitutionally prohibited from waging aggressive war, but they sure as hell aren't pushovers[[/note]] If the writers really don't understand military expenditure, it definitely isn't because Japan is too pacifist to understand how much tanks cost. More likely they have the money because this is a setting where the government pumps enough cash into the education system to afford city-sized aircraft carriers just for high schools. Buying a dozen decommissioned WW2 tanks for their national sport isn't exactly reaching.

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*** Japan's military budget is the 5th largest in the world, slightly ahead of France.[[note]]The "Self Defense Forces" may be constitutionally prohibited from waging aggressive war, but they sure as hell aren't pushovers[[/note]] If the writers really don't understand military expenditure, it definitely isn't because Japan is too pacifist to understand how much tanks cost. More likely they have the money because this is a setting where the government pumps enough cash into the education system to afford city-sized aircraft carriers just for high schools. Buying a dozen decommissioned WW2 [=WW2=] tanks for their national sport isn't exactly reaching.
28th May '17 5:39:33 PM ScottWired
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*** Then again, there are also fan theories about the show being set long after an apocalyptic war, and the adults are just making sure they have another generation ready to fight.
24th May '17 7:02:25 AM FastSkimmer
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*The most powerful vehicles in Saunders' garage are the Firefly, and some regular Shermans with updated turrets carrying long 76mm's. Why isn't there anything like a Jumbo or an Easy 8 to beef up the line, or an M10, M36 or M18 to flank and hunt big game?
5th Mar '17 11:32:21 AM Valiona
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** In contrast to most fan fiction, there doesn't seem to be a "male counterpart" of tankery. The part about not having much face time is true, as while Maho seems to be somewhat famous, it's probably because she's the daughter of a respected tankery instructor, her school's commander and won the tournament once and got to the finals two other times. Saori probably didn't consider that as the radio operator, she's less likely to have such exposure.


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** Possibly that parents and children have conflicts, potentially bad enough to cause a permanent rift, but can come to their senses and reconcile.
* Is Mako really the only Oarai student who didn't like the time for the match with St. Gloriana? I can't see many high school students being happy with having to get up at 5 a.m. on a day off of school for a tankery match.
6th Jan '17 9:55:21 AM flyboy254
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** The best guess looks like misdirection and distraction. By carving up the Oorai tanks, rushing them with the tankettes, and cornering them with their own assault guns, they might have had a chance to confuse Oorai long enough for Anchovy to close in on and 86 the flag tank. The tankettes were a distraction in conjuction with the dummy targets. Unfortunately, as we know, Pepperoni is just too overzealous.


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* More of a cultural headscratcher, it mentions under Yuri Isuzu's character entry that her disowning Hana and then welcoming her back is truth in television. What's the context for this?
28th Nov '16 3:34:53 PM danime91
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* How exactly is playing this sport supposed to net anyone the attention of boys, as is the stated goal of several characters? As seen in real life, female counterparts of most sports are not nearly as popular, and in the few cases where they are as popular or moreso, such as women's volleyball, it's because the skimpy uniforms provide [[FanService eyecandy]]. In Sensha-do, unless you want to get your head blown off by a stray round, you're going to be buttoned up at all times in combat (not that this stops people from doing so anyway), and wearing a full uniform to boot. Unless there are cameras mounted inside the tanks with imagery being broadcasted to spectators, the girls would be lucky if any guy even recognizes them.
28th Nov '16 3:29:11 PM danime91
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*** That does nothing to explain where the ''League'' gets its funding from, since the prohibitive cost of those giant city-ships alone would bankrupt most smaller nations.


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**** It's not exactly a national sport, since we have no indication that the sport exists in a college or professional format. It's the equivalent of shelling out billions of dollars to fund junior varsity basketball when the NBA doesn't exist.
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