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* Why does Rose call the police when they hit the deer on the way up to her parents' house? Before the reveal, it just seems like it's establishing Rose as a well-meaning but clueless white woman -- she doesn't hesitate to call the police for something that doesn't really require police involvement because it didn't occur to her that calling the cops might have negative consequences for her black boyfriend. However, after the reveal, it seems extremely unlikely that Rose would want to call the police unnecessarily while so close to her parents' house, leading to the cop seeing her with Chris when it would be better for them if no one knew he had been there.
** Actually, if she didn't call the cops right after the deer was hit, and the carcass was eventually found, there's a very good chance that the death of the deer would be linked back to Rose when she either took the car in for repairs or was spotted with a large dent in the fender. She was trying to prevent the accident from devolving into MinorCrimeRevealsMajorPlot by reporting the accident right after it happened.
*** This is not really a believable possibility, though. Unless it involves an exotic or endangered animal (which deer are not) or triggers a serious or multi-vehicle accident (which it didn't in this case), police don't waste their time investigating a road-killed animal.
* Most of the Armitages and their friends aren't aware of the racist microaggressions they are committing. Sure, they know they are [[spoiler:abducting black people]] and all. But they aren't aware that saying "black is in fashion" and similar comments are racist. Unlike Rose, who is aware of it all. So why hasn't Rose ever pointed this out to her family and friends before? Maybe because [[spoiler:she enjoys it. Maybe it's part of her game, that the black partners she brings along get more and more uneasy, until it climaxes with them seeing her photos, which she deliberately left for them to find.]]
** Alternatively, Rose may think that her progressive young white woman act is more persuasive if she's not too over the top with it. Any white person with prejudiced older relatives can tell you that confronting them about every problematic thing they say or do is pretty difficult and often only leads to arguments which don't succeed in changing the prejudiced person's mind. As a result many white people, in order to avoid disharmony and constant emotionally grueling fights with their family, pick and choose their battles and only call out really egregious instances of bigotry or wait for the right teachable moment to do so without triggering a fight. Rose's "my parents are embarrassing and a bit clueless but don't mean badly" stance comes across as a very believable behavior for someone in this situation if you're a white person who's ever been in it yourself, and it's possible she thinks it's what will put her victims most at ease as well. Chris shows himself to prefer avoiding confrontation when faced with racist microaggresions (as with his reactions to the cop and some of the subtly racist things people at the garden party say to him), so if Rose was too aggressive in confronting every last problematic thing anyone else said or did he might find it excessive or even suspicious, and the same might be true of her previous victims.
* A major one involves why Rose's approach to ensnaring victims has never aroused suspicion before. She's been involved in numerous intimate relationships with black partners who subsequently disappeared, and is clearly not averse to being public about or documenting these relationships, so it doesn't seem like it would be too difficult for anyone investigating to establish that she was a common link in multiple missing persons cases and identify her as a prime suspect. Many a real life SerialKiller has been caught through precisely this method. One could argue that she got away with it because as an affluent young white woman she was given the benefit of the doubt to an absurd degree as a result of institutional prejudice or that she was careful to select only victims who wouldn't have anyone likely to come looking for them (again as is often the case with real killers), but the movie doesn't establish either of these things, and in fact establishes the opposite with Chris (his parents are gone, but he has a very close friend in Andre who knows Rose and is a law enforcement officer to boot). Andre bringing his suspicions to the cops and having them dismissed is PlayedForLaughs in the movie, as Chris had only been missing for two days at that point, but probably wouldn't be if he were missing for a week or longer, and Rose would be the first person police would want to talk to.
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* Why does Rose call the police when they hit the deer on the way up to her parents' house? Before the reveal, it just seems like it's establishing Rose as a well-meaning but clueless white woman -- she doesn't hesitate to call the police for something that doesn't really require police involvement because it didn't occur to her that calling the cops might have negative consequences for her black boyfriend. However, after the reveal, it seems extremely unlikely that Rose would want to call the police unnecessarily while so close to her parents' house, leading to the cop seeing her with Chris when it would be better for them if no one knew he had been there.
** Actually, if she didn't call the cops right after the deer was hit, and the carcass was eventually found, there's a very good chance that the death of the deer would be linked back to Rose when she either took the car in for repairs or was spotted with a large dent in the fender. She was trying to prevent the accident from devolving into MinorCrimeRevealsMajorPlot by reporting the accident right after it happened.
*** This is not really a believable possibility, though. Unless it involves an exotic or endangered animal (which deer are not) or triggers a serious or multi-vehicle accident (which it didn't in this case), police don't waste their time investigating a road-killed animal.
* Most of the Armitages and their friends aren't aware of the racist microaggressions they are committing. Sure, they know they are [[spoiler:abducting black people]] and all. But they aren't aware that saying "black is in fashion" and similar comments are racist. Unlike Rose, who is aware of it all. So why hasn't Rose ever pointed this out to her family and friends before? Maybe because [[spoiler:she enjoys it. Maybe it's part of her game, that the black partners she brings along get more and more uneasy, until it climaxes with them seeing her photos, which she deliberately left for them to find.]]
** Alternatively, Rose may think that her progressive young white woman act is more persuasive if she's not too over the top with it. Any white person with prejudiced older relatives can tell you that confronting them about every problematic thing they say or do is pretty difficult and often only leads to arguments which don't succeed in changing the prejudiced person's mind. As a result many white people, in order to avoid disharmony and constant emotionally grueling fights with their family, pick and choose their battles and only call out really egregious instances of bigotry or wait for the right teachable moment to do so without triggering a fight. Rose's "my parents are embarrassing and a bit clueless but don't mean badly" stance comes across as a very believable behavior for someone in this situation if you're a white person who's ever been in it yourself, and it's possible she thinks it's what will put her victims most at ease as well. Chris shows himself to prefer avoiding confrontation when faced with racist microaggresions (as with his reactions to the cop and some of the subtly racist things people at the garden party say to him), so if Rose was too aggressive in confronting every last problematic thing anyone else said or did he might find it excessive or even suspicious, and the same might be true of her previous victims.
* A major one involves why Rose's approach to ensnaring victims has never aroused suspicion before. She's been involved in numerous intimate relationships with black partners who subsequently disappeared, and is clearly not averse to being public about or documenting these relationships, so it doesn't seem like it would be too difficult for anyone investigating to establish that she was a common link in multiple missing persons cases and identify her as a prime suspect. Many a real life SerialKiller has been caught through precisely this method. One could argue that she got away with it because as an affluent young white woman she was given the benefit of the doubt to an absurd degree as a result of institutional prejudice or that she was careful to select only victims who wouldn't have anyone likely to come looking for them (again as is often the case with real killers), but the movie doesn't establish either of these things, and in fact establishes the opposite with Chris (his parents are gone, but he has a very close friend in Andre who knows Rose and is a law enforcement officer to boot). Andre bringing his suspicions to the cops and having them dismissed is PlayedForLaughs in the movie, as Chris had only been missing for two days at that point, but probably wouldn't be if he were missing for a week or longer, and Rose would be the first person police would want to talk to.
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** She knew he was recording her, and wanted to make it sound like he was the one interested in her to nullify the recording. What he recorded would be useless at best, and at worst would incriminate him in the event it was found. She isn't worried about him intervening, because even if he were to arrive, it would have been too late
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** Typical villain overconfidence. He didn't care that Chris was unsettled by his weird, old timey manner of speech. From his [=POV=] if didn't matter if he taunted Chris because soon Chris would be in a position where he couldn't do anything about it.
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** Typical villain overconfidence. He didn't care that Chris was unsettled by his weird, old timey manner of speech. From his [=POV=] if POV it didn't matter if he taunted Chris because soon Chris would be in a position where he couldn't do anything about it.
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* To add to the question, why even keep a box with photos around. That's pretty incriminating, obviously not to any bystanders but to someone who had been "chosen" and was suspicious, they could have found something like that on their own. Is it a {{Creepy Souvenir}} or something else? Furthermore why would Georgina even know such a thing existed. Did some other transplant "reveal" it to her? Or do the Armitages just like looking at those pictures a lot?
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* To add to the question, why even keep a box with photos around. That's pretty incriminating, obviously not to any bystanders but to someone who had been "chosen" and was suspicious, they could have found something like that on their own. Is it a {{Creepy Souvenir}} CreepySouvenir or something else? Furthermore why would Georgina even know such a thing existed. Did some other transplant "reveal" it to her? Or do the Armitages just like looking at those pictures a lot?
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** Its not uncommon for obsessive compulsive sociopathic criminals to keep souvenirs of their crimes, even to their own detriment. Like Series/{{Dexter}} collecting the blood samples of his victims. There are also many, many real life examples of this too, like Jeffery Dahmer keeping body parts in his refrigerator, or John Wayne Gacy burying dozens of bodies ON HIS OWN PROPERTY! Who knows why they do this. Maybe its some sick sense of accomplishment they feel from hurting people.
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** Its It's not uncommon for obsessive compulsive sociopathic criminals to keep souvenirs of their crimes, even to their own detriment. Like Series/{{Dexter}} collecting the blood samples of his victims. There are also many, many real life examples of this too, like Jeffery Dahmer keeping body parts in his refrigerator, or John Wayne Gacy burying dozens of bodies ON HIS OWN PROPERTY! Who knows why they do this. Maybe its some sick sense of accomplishment they feel from hurting people.
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** Also, the police didn't take Rod seriously when he reported Chris's disappearance. He should be less than wiling to let them take care of it.
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** The original bodies probably "died in their sleep" and had a peaceful funeral a few days later. For most folks, that'd be enough, and if their surviving spouse decides to suddenly become involved in a young black person a few weeks later, that's not enough to raise any suspicions. In Jim's case, he could have made a change to his will before undergoing the Coagula procedure to bequeath all of his possessions to Chris Washington; afterwards, Jim "dies", Chris-with-Jim's-brain inherits Jim's estate, and now there's a brilliant young photographer who's also an influential art dealer calling the shots.
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** The original bodies probably "died in their sleep" and had a peaceful funeral a few days later. For most folks, that'd be enough, and if their surviving spouse decides to suddenly become involved in with a young black person a few weeks later, that's not enough to raise any suspicions. do anything beyond raising a few eyebrows. In Jim's case, he could have made make a change to his will before undergoing the Coagula procedure to bequeath all of his possessions to Chris Washington; afterwards, Jim "dies", Chris-with-Jim's-brain inherits Jim's estate, and now there's a brilliant young photographer who's also an influential art dealer calling the shots.
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** The original bodies probably "died in their sleep" and had a peaceful funeral a few days later. For most folks, that'd be enough, and if their surviving spouse decides to suddenly become involved in a young black person a few weeks later, that's not enough to raise any suspicions. In Jim's case, he could have made a change to his will before undergoing the Coagula procedure to bequeath all of his possessions to Chris Washington; afterwards, Jim "dies", Chris-with-Jim's-brain inherits Jim's estate, and now there's a brilliant young photographer who's also an influential art dealer calling the shots.
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* [[spoiler: We find out that the groundskeeper is really Grandpa Roman Armitage in a black guy's body. Even with the understandably tough adjustment of being in a black person's body, why was he talking so stilted and giving an obvious vibe that something's wrong? He didn't have to communicate in slang; he could have just said everything he said more naturally.]]
** [[spoiler: Typical villain overconfidence. He didn't care that Chris was unsettled by his weird, old timey manner of speech. From his [=POV=] if didn't matter if he taunted Chris because soon Chris would be in a position where he couldn't do anything about it. ]]
** [[spoiler: Typical villain overconfidence. He didn't care that Chris was unsettled by his weird, old timey manner of speech. From his [=POV=] if didn't matter if he taunted Chris because soon Chris would be in a position where he couldn't do anything about it. ]]
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* [[spoiler: We find out that the groundskeeper is really Grandpa Roman Armitage in a black guy's body. Even with the understandably tough adjustment of being in a black person's body, why was he talking so stilted and giving an obvious vibe that something's wrong? He didn't have to communicate in slang; he could have just said everything he said more naturally.]]
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**[[spoiler: Typical villain overconfidence. He didn't care that Chris was unsettled by his weird, old timey manner of speech. From his [=POV=] if didn't matter if he taunted Chris because soon Chris would be in a position where he couldn't do anything about it. ]]
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** Or since [[spoiler: the process involves brain surgery, maybe the procedure isn't perfect and some of the brain is affected in a way]].
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* Late in the film, [[spoiler: Chris finds a red box containing pictures of all the victims Rose has lured to the Armitage estate in the past. He finds this in a tiny closet in Rose's room ''that already had the door open.'' The only reason he didn't see the box earlier is that he didn't want to snoop around the first time he saw the little room with the door open. Why would Rose just leave something like that just lying around? As implied earlier, Chris could have found that box ''before'' being hypnotized. Even if the Armitages were certain they had Chris, why take that chance?]]
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* Late in the film, [[spoiler: Chris finds a red box containing pictures of all the victims Rose has lured to the Armitage estate in the past. He finds this in a tiny closet in Rose's room ''that already had the door open.'' The only reason he didn't see the box earlier is that he didn't want to snoop around the first time he saw the little room with the door open. Why would Rose just leave something like that just lying around? As implied earlier, Chris could have found that box ''before'' being hypnotized. Even if the Armitages were certain they had Chris, why take that chance?]]chance?
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* To add to the question, [[spoiler: why even keep a box with photos around. That's pretty incriminating, obviously not to any bystanders but to someone who had been "chosen" and was suspicious, they could have found something like that on their own. Is it a {{Creepy Souvenir}} or something else? Furthermore why would Georgina even know such a thing existed. Did some other transplant "reveal" it to her? Or do the Armitages just like looking at those pictures a lot?]]
** Knowing Rose, it's not entirely unreasonable to suggest she'd want to have [[spoiler:a record of all her "conquests" near her, probably to look at and reminisce over every now and then. Sure, it risks them being found out, but if the phone call with Rod is any indication, Rose values her... desires a lot more than secrecy.]]
** Knowing Rose, it's not entirely unreasonable to suggest she'd want to have [[spoiler:a record of all her "conquests" near her, probably to look at and reminisce over every now and then. Sure, it risks them being found out, but if the phone call with Rod is any indication, Rose values her... desires a lot more than secrecy.]]
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** Knowing Rose, it's not entirely unreasonable to suggest she'd want to have[[spoiler:a a record of all her "conquests" near her, probably to look at and reminisce over every now and then. Sure, it risks them being found out, but if the phone call with Rod is any indication, Rose values her... desires a lot more than secrecy.]]
** Knowing Rose, it's not entirely unreasonable to suggest she'd want to have
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* [[spoiler: If a camera flash is the one thing that temporarily breaks the hypnosis and allows the Coagula victims to briefly regain control of their old selves, why on earth would Rose choose a ''photographer'' as a target? She had to know that he was going to want to take pictures while he was around, and one flash ran the risk of blowing the roof off their entire scheme.]]
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* The video explaining the Coagula process shows the original Roman Armitage alive and familiar with the process while Rose and Jeremy are young children, and we see [[spoiler:Rose with Walter and Georgina in photographs as at least a 20something]], so either Rose is also older than she looks or [[spoiler:Walter and Georgina are a later round of enslaved bodies as replacements for the Armitage grandparents' earlier set of host bodies, artificially prolonging their lives by skipping to new bodies when the past ones grew too old/decayed as well. If you assume they're already on round two, undergoing the procedure a second more recent time, his natural timespan could have ended slightly more plausibly at 80 or so.]] Rose's grandmother [[spoiler:in her original body]] might have been younger than her husband, and men remain fertile much longer than women. So it's possible, just (like most things involving the Armitage clan) extremely [[{{Squick}} squicky]] and assisted by mad science.
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* The video explaining the Coagula process shows the original Roman Armitage alive and familiar with the process while Rose and Jeremy are young children, and we see [[spoiler:Rose Rose with Walter and Georgina in photographs as at least a 20something]], 20something, so either Rose is also older than she looks or [[spoiler:Walter Walter and Georgina are a later round of enslaved bodies as replacements for the Armitage grandparents' earlier set of host bodies, artificially prolonging their lives by skipping to new bodies when the past ones grew too old/decayed as well. If you assume they're already on round two, undergoing the procedure a second more recent time, his natural timespan could have ended slightly more plausibly at 80 or so.]] Rose's grandmother [[spoiler:in in her original body]] body might have been younger than her husband, and men remain fertile much longer than women. So it's possible, just (like most things involving the Armitage clan) extremely [[{{Squick}} squicky]] and assisted by mad science.
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* What was with [[spoiler: Rose smirking at the end while Chris was choking her? Did she realize he wasn't going to go through with it? Did she tap into some hidden subconscious stuff her mother planted? Did she hear what she thought was a police car coming? Was she just crazy?]]
** For me as a viewer I thought it was a nonverbal LikeYouWouldReallyDoIt moment -- [[spoiler:she's looking into his eyes totally aware that, RoaringRampageOfRevenge aside, Chris is not a violent man. Choking to death the woman you love with your bare hands as she lies bleeding on the ground, even if you just found out she's an evil psycho, is very different from taking somebody out in a fight. She could be trying to goad him into doing it, or just enjoying the prospect of Chris going down in flames after he's discovered to have been the sole survivor out of a mansion full of dead white people.]]
** EroticAsphyxiation -- [[spoiler:Given everything we have seen up to this moment, Rose is an undeniable sociopath with some deep seated issues. It isn't out of the question to suggest that she was deriving sexual pleasure from the act, possibly tied to some sadomasochist murder fetish. Cheryl Tunt anybody?]]
*** The script itself states as much: [[spoiler:Rose is enjoying getting choked out.]]
** For me as a viewer I thought it was a nonverbal LikeYouWouldReallyDoIt moment -- [[spoiler:she's looking into his eyes totally aware that, RoaringRampageOfRevenge aside, Chris is not a violent man. Choking to death the woman you love with your bare hands as she lies bleeding on the ground, even if you just found out she's an evil psycho, is very different from taking somebody out in a fight. She could be trying to goad him into doing it, or just enjoying the prospect of Chris going down in flames after he's discovered to have been the sole survivor out of a mansion full of dead white people.]]
** EroticAsphyxiation -- [[spoiler:Given everything we have seen up to this moment, Rose is an undeniable sociopath with some deep seated issues. It isn't out of the question to suggest that she was deriving sexual pleasure from the act, possibly tied to some sadomasochist murder fetish. Cheryl Tunt anybody?]]
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* What was with [[spoiler: Rose smirking at the end while Chris was choking her? Did she realize he wasn't going to go through with it? Did she tap into some hidden subconscious stuff her mother planted? Did she hear what she thought was a police car coming? Was she just crazy?]]
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** EroticAsphyxiation --[[spoiler:Given Given everything we have seen up to this moment, Rose is an undeniable sociopath with some deep seated issues. It isn't out of the question to suggest that she was deriving sexual pleasure from the act, possibly tied to some sadomasochist murder fetish. Cheryl Tunt anybody?]]
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* Probably. It may not necessarily be a vice that needs curing, but any emotional issue that someone might see a therapist for. [[spoiler: Rose likely spends months getting to know each victim before luring them in, so during that time she could find out about something about them to use as an excuse for hypnosis. Or just gaslight the victim into thinking they need hypnosis if she can't find anything to work with]].
** This seems to be the more likely of the two. It's sort of implied by Missy's actions and conversations with Chris that the information she's looking for isn't some sort of vice to fixate on, but rather [[spoiler: a deep-rooted emotional trauma that she can dredge up in order to literally paralyze her given victim with fear.]] It seemed to me that [[spoiler:her "curing" Chris's smoking habit]] was just a "test run", so to speak, to make sure he would be emotionally malleable enough for [[spoiler: the real Coagula process.]]
** This seems to be the more likely of the two. It's sort of implied by Missy's actions and conversations with Chris that the information she's looking for isn't some sort of vice to fixate on, but rather [[spoiler: a deep-rooted emotional trauma that she can dredge up in order to literally paralyze her given victim with fear.]] It seemed to me that [[spoiler:her "curing" Chris's smoking habit]] was just a "test run", so to speak, to make sure he would be emotionally malleable enough for [[spoiler: the real Coagula process.]]
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** This seems to be the more likely of the two. It's sort of implied by Missy's actions and conversations with Chris that the information she's looking for isn't some sort of vice to fixate on, but rather[[spoiler: a deep-rooted emotional trauma that she can dredge up in order to literally paralyze her given victim with fear.]] fear. It seemed to me that [[spoiler:her her "curing" Chris's smoking habit]] habit was just a "test run", so to speak, to make sure he would be emotionally malleable enough for [[spoiler: the real Coagula process.]]
** This seems to be the more likely of the two. It's sort of implied by Missy's actions and conversations with Chris that the information she's looking for isn't some sort of vice to fixate on, but rather
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* I've seen enough horror movies to know that you should make sure the villain is dead after attacking him or her. Chris leaves [[spoiler:Rose]] Rose and her gun lying on the ground. I was expecting her to get back up and shoot his friend while they were having their little chit chat in the cop car. Sure she dies, but I would have made sure she stays dead before driving off with my friend.
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* [[spoiler:Why would Rose use her birth name when abducting people? Unless the entire family have a false last name, cops could track her down. Also, she makes the mistake of meeting the victims' friends who can...you know...IDENTIFY her when their friends go missing.]]
** [[spoiler: I'm guessing because if Rose uses a fake name, she might get found out much sooner. What if someone she knows through a previous victim bumps into her in public and calls her by that name? What if there are other records of her with a different name? Rose's cover seems to be of a normal twenty-something girl living in the city - so it would be easier for her to live in the city under her real name. Rose seems to be a pretty great actress, as Rod doesn't suspect anything is wrong with her specifically until he talks to her on the phone. So part of Rose's cover is seeming like a nice girl who would be the last person suspected of being involved with such things]].
** [[spoiler: It would've been problematic if she used a fake name when the cop asked to see her ID earlier in the movie. "Alright, Miss Armitage, you're clear" "Armitage? But you said your name was..."]]
** [[spoiler: I'm guessing because if Rose uses a fake name, she might get found out much sooner. What if someone she knows through a previous victim bumps into her in public and calls her by that name? What if there are other records of her with a different name? Rose's cover seems to be of a normal twenty-something girl living in the city - so it would be easier for her to live in the city under her real name. Rose seems to be a pretty great actress, as Rod doesn't suspect anything is wrong with her specifically until he talks to her on the phone. So part of Rose's cover is seeming like a nice girl who would be the last person suspected of being involved with such things]].
** [[spoiler: It would've been problematic if she used a fake name when the cop asked to see her ID earlier in the movie. "Alright, Miss Armitage, you're clear" "Armitage? But you said your name was..."]]
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* [[spoiler:Why Why would Rose use her birth name when abducting people? Unless the entire family have a false last name, cops could track her down. Also, she makes the mistake of meeting the victims' friends who can...you know...IDENTIFY her when their friends go missing.]]
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**[[spoiler: I'm guessing because if Rose uses a fake name, she might get found out much sooner. What if someone she knows through a previous victim bumps into her in public and calls her by that name? What if there are other records of her with a different name? Rose's cover seems to be of a normal twenty-something girl living in the city - so it would be easier for her to live in the city under her real name. Rose seems to be a pretty great actress, as Rod doesn't suspect anything is wrong with her specifically until he talks to her on the phone. So part of Rose's cover is seeming like a nice girl who would be the last person suspected of being involved with such things]].
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**[[spoiler: It would've been problematic if she used a fake name when the cop asked to see her ID earlier in the movie. "Alright, Miss Armitage, you're clear" "Armitage? But you said your name was..."]]"
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* [[spoiler:When Roman (controlling Walter) has Chris pinned to the ground, Chris uses his phone’s camera flash on Roman, allowing Walter to regain control. While Rose did not witness the time when Chris flashed Andre at the Order’s gathering, she was present when her father gave the "seizure" excuse to Chris, and revealed the cause was the flash. If that’s the case, why did Rose give Walter the rifle? She should have known at that point that her grandfather had lost control of Walter’s body.]]
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* [[spoiler:When When Roman (controlling Walter) has Chris pinned to the ground, Chris uses his phone’s camera flash on Roman, allowing Walter to regain control. While Rose did not witness the time when Chris flashed Andre at the Order’s gathering, she was present when her father gave the "seizure" excuse to Chris, and revealed the cause was the flash. If that’s the case, why did Rose give Walter the rifle? She should have known at that point that her grandfather had lost control of Walter’s body.]]
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* What do the Armitages do with the original bodies of the people who take the brain surgery operation? Assuming they succeeded in transferring Jim's mind into Chris's body, then what? Jim is said to be a famous art dealer, so it would absolutely attract attention if his old body went missing while a black man with his same name takes over his old life.
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* What do the Armitages do with the original bodies of the people who take the brain surgery operation? Assuming they succeeded in transferring Jim's mind into Chris's body, then what? Jim is said to be a famous art dealer, so it would absolutely attract attention if his old body went missing while a black man with his same name takes over his old life.
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*** I'm not sure this is actually true, as there are plenty of serial killers who don't keep trophies (or at least weren't found to have done so). However, it is a pretty common behavior for them, so it's not outlandish at all that Rose would do so, especially since she keeps the box in a place where it's unlikely anyone would find it. This is definitely a case of RealityIsUnrealistic.
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** A little WMG perhaps, but probably--I'm guessing it has to do with how expected the trigger is. A sudden explosion or flash is startling and without warning, but turning on a light tends to have some signs beforehand that it's going to happen. The "parasitic" brain has more defense against expected interruptions than unexpected and can brace accordingly.
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** Past trauma or mental illness or something. A lot more likely explanation than "I'm fighting to regain control of my body from this old white bitch possessing it".
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** Alternatively, she might've just been getting her rocks off.
*** I never heard of someone getting their jollies well eating cereal in the most pretentious way possible.. but then again she is a sociopath who seems to be enjoying getting choked.... so who knows what she gets off to?
*** I never heard of someone getting their jollies well eating cereal in the most pretentious way possible.. but then again she is a sociopath who seems to be enjoying getting choked.... so who knows what she gets off to?
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** Alternatively, she might've just been [[ADateWithRosiePalms getting her rocks off.
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*** I never heard of someone getting their jollies fully clothed well eating cereal in the most pretentious way possible.. but then again she is a sociopath who seems to be enjoying getting choked.... so who knows what she gets off to?
*** I never heard of someone getting their jollies fully clothed well eating cereal in the most pretentious way possible.. but then again she is a sociopath who seems to be enjoying getting choked.... so who knows what she gets off to?
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** The villains love black bodies. But they clearly think lesser of black minds.
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* So if camera flashes are strong enough to "break the trance" in affected people, would ''any'' sudden flash of bright light do the trick? Like if any of them witnessed an explosion, or if they were in a dark room and the lights were suddenly turned on.
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* So if camera flashes are strong enough to "break the trance" in affected people, would ''any'' sudden flash of bright light do the trick? Like if any of them witnessed an explosion, or if they were in a dark room and the lights were suddenly turned on.
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** The reason the Armitages target black people is because they're ''envious'' of them, which all started simply because Roman Armitage lost against Jesse Owens; they believe that black people are physically superior than them, and that's why they pull their GrandTheftMe operation. It ''is'' still disgustingly racist (and petty), but instead, it's an extremely cruel and disturbing case of PositiveDiscrimination. That's the entire point of the movie.
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** The reason the Armitages target black people is because they're ''envious'' of them, which all started simply because Roman Armitage lost against Jesse Owens; they believe that black people are physically superior than them, and that's why they pull their GrandTheftMe operation. It ''is'' still disgustingly racist (and petty), but instead, it's an extremely cruel and disturbing case of PositiveDiscrimination.positive discrimination. That's the entire point of the movie.
