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[[folder: How does the "no names" thing even work?]]
What if you need to talk to a certain gargoyle? Do you just ask for them by description, like "Hey, go get Fat Blue, Beaky Red and Little Yellow?" And what if other gargoyles in the clan have those descriptions, and you have to get more descriptive? Names really seem to simplify things, especially in a warrior race where you might need to get assistance from someone in a hurry; "Where's Old Tan? No, the other one, with the beard and scar!"
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** Whether the spell's effect was sustained or instantaneous, all the humans except maybe Macbeth would still be dead. I'm inclined to believe that a spell of such great power would have to compensate by being of infinitesimal duration, meaning that Demona and Macbeth would only suffer death once as a result of it.
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* To quote the ''Disney/{{Aladdin}}'' sequel, you'd be surprised what you can live through. The immortality spell might not necessarily mean they're MadeOfIron and heal instantly when injured. So if she wasn't killed, she'd be maimed or burned or skewered or who knows, maybe even lose a limb. To protect "is the Gargoyle way."

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* To quote the ''Disney/{{Aladdin}}'' ''[[WesternAnimation/AladdinTheReturnOfJafar Aladdin]]'' sequel, you'd be surprised what you can live through. The immortality spell might not necessarily mean they're MadeOfIron and heal instantly when injured. So if she wasn't killed, she'd be maimed or burned or skewered or who knows, maybe even lose a limb. To protect "is the Gargoyle way."
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[[folder: When Elisa goes home ("Deadly Force")]]
Seeing the fully loaded gun in her hung-up jacket when Broadway shows up, one has to wonder how often anyone came to Elisa's home before the Gargoyles came about. The only other confirmed resident is her cat Cagney.
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Why does the mutated Maggie's face look so different in her first appearance compared to the others? None of the other mutates' faces changed so much.
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* Well, it says in the wiki that it is possible to maim a gargoyle while they sleep, and they would still wake up later on. However, given the severity of the wound (I suspect the tip of the tail would probably be fine, if painful, but a severed arm would not be), they may die shortly after. Also severed limbs will not grow back during the stone sleep, and it is impossible to perform surgery on a sleeping gargoyle.
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[[folder: So how much does a gargoyle need to be smashed while in stone form to be killed?]]
The principle of the typical gargoyle death in-universe is pretty simple: smash them to pieces while they're stone during the day and they won't turn back to flesh at night. Theoretically, though, how much of them needs to actually be smashed in order for them to qualify as dead? Say, if the tip of their tail was broken off?
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** Elisa shooting and killing Demona -- and both Elisa and Macbeth are ''crystal clear'' that she shot to kill, not to knock out or wound -- happens after Avalon. So, no, the Weird Sisters weren't just saving them on the spot.

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** Elisa shooting and killing Demona -- and both Elisa and Macbeth are ''crystal clear'' that she shot to kill, not to knock out or wound -- happens after Avalon. And Macbeth himself points out that Elisa killing Demona -- and, again, that is the phrasing he uses, saying that Elisa killed Demona -- won't work, they have to kill each other for it to stick. So, no, the Weird Sisters weren't just saving them on the spot.spot, because they're not involved in that plot at all.
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** Elisa shooting and killing Demona -- and both Elisa and Macbeth are ''crystal clear'' that she shot to kill, not to knock out or wound -- happens after Avalon. So, no, the Weird Sisters weren't just saving them on the spot.
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* According to WordOfGod, Oberon could very much have summoned Puck through the mirror. He doesn't, because he honestly just felt like taking a walk to find Puck. Oberon is just flippant like that. One minute he tries kill the main cast, the next minute he grants them immunity from all his magic. This is one aspect of his character that makes him very dangerous.
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** Why should he assume magic? In the opening episodes with the full Castle Wyvern Clan, there are some gargoyles who look more or less the same as other gargoyles, with a different outfit or color to their skin. He could easily have just thought it was Goliath's long-lost brother or something -- it's not like ''he'' has encyclopedic knowledge of that clan or who survived its destruction.
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** Eliza kills Demona at one point to save her and Macbeth from each other. She heals up fine. There are a few instances where one dies and comes back because they weren't killed by the other.

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** Eliza Elisa kills Demona at one point to save her and Macbeth from each other. She heals up fine. There are a few instances where one dies and comes back because they weren't killed by the other.



*** Personally I always felt they misshandle the part of the names, I would've go for the route of "You Can't Pronounce My Name" and then having the nicknames Eliza gave them for her comfort. But in any case we shouldn't judge a non-human culture by human standards, we do know that other intelligent animals use names; dolphines and crows use special sounds to refer to individuals of their own species, but apes don't (as far as we know) so maybe naming individuals is not something all intelligent species do.

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*** Personally I always felt they misshandle the part of the names, I would've go for the route of "You Can't Pronounce My Name" and then having the nicknames Eliza Elisa gave them for her comfort. But in any case we shouldn't judge a non-human culture by human standards, we do know that other intelligent animals use names; dolphines and crows use special sounds to refer to individuals of their own species, but apes don't (as far as we know) so maybe naming individuals is not something all intelligent species do.



[[folder: Why didn't Eliza and Goliath ask Halcyon Renard to contact Bluestone and the Manhattan clan?]]

Seriously, their friends and family must be worried sick. In "Kingdom" it's revealed that the Manhattan Clan don't know where they are (and Eliza's cat hasn't been fed). Halcyon could have easily contacted them.
** The same reason they didn't pick up a phone and call anybody. It simply didn't occur to them. It's been a while since I watched the show, I think the clan had a phone in the clock tower but even if they didn't at the least Eliza could have called Matt Bluestone who in turn could have told the clan the score and fed her cat. Halcyon is an extra step that assume they cannot find a phone at any of the places they were being dropped off. The fact that they didn't ask Halcyon actually makes a certain amount of sense. The episode starts with them deciding it was okay to "cheat" and let Halcyon take them home, screw Avalon sending them where they need to be. They want to go home. The episode ends with them rescuing Halcyon from himself and realizing that Avalon is a force for good and is sending them to places where they can make a difference. The important part here is that with that mindset they might have decided then that if their friends and family needed to know they'd find out. And a short while later it "randomly" dropped Eliza off near her mother.

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[[folder: Why didn't Eliza Elisa and Goliath ask Halcyon Renard to contact Bluestone and the Manhattan clan?]]

Seriously, their friends and family must be worried sick. In "Kingdom" it's revealed that the Manhattan Clan don't know where they are (and Eliza's Elisa's cat hasn't been fed). Halcyon could have easily contacted them.
** The same reason they didn't pick up a phone and call anybody. It simply didn't occur to them. It's been a while since I watched the show, I think the clan had a phone in the clock tower but even if they didn't at the least Eliza Elisa could have called Matt Bluestone who in turn could have told the clan the score and fed her cat. Halcyon is an extra step that assume they cannot find a phone at any of the places they were being dropped off. The fact that they didn't ask Halcyon actually makes a certain amount of sense. The episode starts with them deciding it was okay to "cheat" and let Halcyon take them home, screw Avalon sending them where they need to be. They want to go home. The episode ends with them rescuing Halcyon from himself and realizing that Avalon is a force for good and is sending them to places where they can make a difference. The important part here is that with that mindset they might have decided then that if their friends and family needed to know they'd find out. And a short while later it "randomly" dropped Eliza Elisa off near her mother.



[[folder: Why did Taurus lie and why didn't Eliza pick up on that?]]
* Taurus initially states at the meeting that it was a human hero that killed his father, inciting more noise, despite the fact that he is an adamant law enforcer and tries to maintain order. But then, when Eliza sees Taurus' father, she thinks Taurus locked up his own parent rather than asking "I thought your father was killed". So what exactly was the point of scapegoating a human for the one being he obviously despises more than anyone else? In fact, why didn't Eliza ask why he lied in the first place?

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[[folder: Why did Taurus lie and why didn't Eliza Elisa pick up on that?]]
* Taurus initially states at the meeting that it was a human hero that killed his father, inciting more noise, despite the fact that he is an adamant law enforcer and tries to maintain order. But then, when Eliza Elisa sees Taurus' father, she thinks Taurus locked up his own parent rather than asking "I thought your father was killed". So what exactly was the point of scapegoating a human for the one being he obviously despises more than anyone else? In fact, why didn't Eliza Elisa ask why he lied in the first place?



Eliza has her own expenses. Cop's salary or not, NYC is not cheap. The other gargoyles aren't in a position to get jobs (not of the sort available in the 90s, anyway). So where exactly do they get the money to feed an entire family of beings who need to eat more than a typical human?

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Eliza Elisa has her own expenses. Cop's salary or not, NYC is not cheap. The other gargoyles aren't in a position to get jobs (not of the sort available in the 90s, anyway). So where exactly do they get the money to feed an entire family of beings who need to eat more than a typical human?
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* Presuming the "death" was always intended, it makes more sense for Sevarius to look disguised temporarily when Derek meets him, then take off the make-up afterward so he looks normal. It's easier than the other way around -- looking normal at first, then having to wear a disguise constantly. It's like how they cast young actors for Marty's parents in ''Film/BackToTheFuture'': Have them in aged make-up for the handful of minutes they're onscreen in 1985, then just let them look natural for the 1955 scenes that make up the bulk of the movie.
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** "Healed, but not whole" sounds more like he was referring to the emotional or mental fallout from the incident, rather than physical injury.
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*** Besides, it lends to the private joke and StealthPun: Xanatos never used the Pack as anything more than stooges, and every time he interacted, he betrayed them on some level. Coyote really {{was}} two-faced.

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*** Besides, it lends to the private joke and StealthPun: Xanatos never used the Pack as anything more than stooges, and every time he interacted, he betrayed them on some level. Coyote really {{was}} ''was'' two-faced.
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*** Also, they all have distinct voices, and ''big'' ears, so "names" based on relationship are going to be clearer if you're intimately familiar with the people speaking, as the Clans usually are. E.g., if Goliath says, "My beloved," you know that he's addressing Demona. If "Othello" says it, then he's clearly talking about "Desdemona." It's possible tone of voice comes into it, too. One gargoyle might refer to one "Brother," with a tone of reverence and respect, suggesting he's referring to the Rookery Brother who ascended to a leadership position -- but refer to another "Brother" with a tone of resignation and annoyance, suggesting he's referring to the Rookery Brother who's a lazy layabout who is always getting into trouble. It's not unlike a mother whose husband and son share a name, who would address them with different tones that each learns to recognize.
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*** It could be that they didn't had names in the sense we have them(Being named by our parents/guardians) but only had nicknames(Like the way LAs Names evolved) but they never acknowledged them as such. "Leader", "Second in command", "Red one", "Short one" etc could be easily used, as Gargoyles are wildly different one from another

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*** It could be that they didn't had names in the sense we have them(Being named by our parents/guardians) but only had nicknames(Like the way LAs Names evolved) but nicknames and they never acknowledged them as such. "Leader", "Second in command", "Red one", "Short one" etc could be easily used, as Gargoyles are wildly different one from another
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Nobody cares about your fetishes.


* Awesome for some, fetish for others. Still, seconded like WHOA.
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[[folder: Xanatos jumping on the [[IHaveYouNowMyPretty lovely hostage, Angela]] villain bandwagon in "Cloud Fathers"]]

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[[folder:The Weird Sisters' spell that gives Demona and [=Macbeth=] [[{{Synchronization}} synchronized]] immortality uses the line "As long as one lives, the other shall live" to establish how one cannot be killed (unless one kills the other, of course). Could there be room for a loophole here?]]

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** Pure, utter, fetish material to certain groups of people... * cough*

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** Xanatos simply plans to stay awake, and it happens. :p Seriously, though, maybe he's using a modified sleep program of some sort. There's all kinds of them out there that claim to leave you feeling rested and alert for more hours per day. He may be only sleeping 4-6 hours per night, supplementing this with diet and naps throughout the day.

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\n\n\n** Xanatos simply plans to stay awake, and it happens. :p Seriously, though, maybe he's using a modified sleep program of some sort. There's all kinds of them out there that claim to leave you feeling rested and alert for more hours per day. He may be only sleeping 4-6 hours per night, supplementing this with diet and naps throughout the day.
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** We usually see yuppie couple at the beginning of the night or with a throw away line about what they were up to. Xanatos is a harder one to understand. He's Ceo of a company and supposedly would need to handle some of the day to day operations of said company. The only think I can think is maybe he has some chemicals in his suit that make him stay awake all the time. :P As for some of the other characters that pop to mind: Macbeth is stated to follow the gargoyle lifestyle, as are the hunters, Owen probably does not sleep, and that's about it :P



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** We usually see yuppie couple at the beginning of the night or with a throw away line about what they were up to. Xanatos is a harder one to understand. He's Ceo of a company and supposedly would need to handle some of the day to day operations of said company. The only think I can think is maybe he has some chemicals in his suit that make him stay awake all the time. :P As for some of the other characters that pop to mind: Macbeth is stated to follow the gargoyle lifestyle, as are the hunters, Owen probably does not sleep, and that's about it :P


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* Nokkar didn't think that the gargoyles were Space Spawn, he thought that they were an alien species that was working for the Space Spawn (when he called the gargoyles Space Spawn, he didn't mean it literally, in his language "Space Spawn" has become a curse word). Since Nokkar has been stationed on Earth for so long, it wasn't beyond the realm of possibility that the Space Spawn had conquered an alien race that wasn't known to his people when he was first stationed.
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[[folder: Why doesn't Nokkar know what the Space Spawn look like?]]
Nokkar's race has been fighting an interstellar war with these guys for untold millennia. Nokkar himself has lived long enough to see at least one human civilization rise and fall. He also doesn't seem to have any contact with his home planet and is expected to exercise his own judgment and act independently to keep Earth safe from invasion. Yet, this highly independent, technologically advanced, and unimaginably long-lived interstellar soldier is somehow so ill-informed that he can't even tell the difference between a Space Spawn and a gargoyle? How was that posting ever approved?
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[[folder: Summoning Puck]]
Apart from the fact that it would have been more difficult for the plot to be set in motion, is there a good reason why Oberon couldn't have just summoned Puck through his magic mirror the same way Demons summoned him through Titania's mirror?
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** Standing next to Demona would be the important factor here. Macbeath knows Demona, he knows she's a sorceress and she has a thing for Goliath. He likely assumes she made a double using magic.


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* As I mentioned above: they steal what they eat, we see them doing it several times. They can absorb sunlight to an extent but they can't exist on only that.
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[[folder: Why did Elisa's mother call the gargoyles "monsters" when she first met them in Nigeria?]]
When the gargoyles revealed themselves to Elisa's mother in order to save her life, she said "Elisa you know these monsters?!?!" At this point in the story, she had already learned what happened to her son and the other mutates. It seems odd that she would describe beings so similar to her son as "monsters". Every other person who knows about Sevarius's work attributes life forms they don't recognize to his work. Elisa initially thought the werefox was Sevarius's work and Halcyon Renard initially assumed the same about Goliath. So why is Diane the only person who doesn't use this logic?
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[[WMG: Wouldn't some of the Hunters have different last names if women are involved?]]

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[[WMG: What if the original Hunter had killed Macbeth?]]

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