History Headscratchers / Gargoyles

13th Jan '17 3:44:51 AM Doug86
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*** That doesn't work. First gargoyles don't seem to be particularly shy. They would simply invite the non-believers down to see real gargoyles. Or send the Archmage/Magus/whoever the current high wizard was out to show them that magic is real. Second (and this also shoots down the Christianity problem and makes some member of the Third Race more likely) this breakdown was global. In Japan for example they still don't spread out (they don't really have anywhere to spread too) but they are a well kept secret there. What happened to the gargoyles in the Americas? Even in Europe by MacBeth's time gargoyles were incredibly rare (Demona seems convinced she's leading the last clan) but Duncan doesn't stumble on them during the day and wonder how statues ended up in cave. He knows what they are and that the correct answer is SMASH SMASHY SMASH! Something happened between Gargoyles and men.

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*** That doesn't work. First gargoyles don't seem to be particularly shy. They would simply invite the non-believers down to see real gargoyles. Or send the Archmage/Magus/whoever the current high wizard was out to show them that magic is real. Second (and this also shoots down the Christianity problem and makes some member of the Third Race more likely) this breakdown was global. In Japan for example they still don't spread out (they don't really have anywhere to spread too) but they are a well kept secret there. What happened to the gargoyles in the Americas? Even in Europe by MacBeth's Macbeth's time gargoyles were incredibly rare (Demona seems convinced she's leading the last clan) but Duncan doesn't stumble on them during the day and wonder how statues ended up in cave. He knows what they are and that the correct answer is SMASH SMASHY SMASH! Something happened between Gargoyles and men.



* I find it odd that MacBeth's only response is "who the blazes are you?" when he first sees Thailog. He's not at all shocked that there is a gargoyle who looks and sounds like Goliath standing next to Demona? My first thought was that MacBeth was going to mistake Thailog for Goliath, but that didn't happen. He doesn't question why the evil gargoyle looks like one of his enemies.

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* I find it odd that MacBeth's Macbeth's only response is "who the blazes are you?" when he first sees Thailog. He's not at all shocked that there is a gargoyle who looks and sounds like Goliath standing next to Demona? My first thought was that MacBeth Macbeth was going to mistake Thailog for Goliath, but that didn't happen. He doesn't question why the evil gargoyle looks like one of his enemies.
15th Dec '16 4:34:59 PM draegos
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* Well, from the writing perspective, while it would have been amusing and fascinating to see, it wouldn't have actually contributed anything to the story or progressed the plot. Just the opposite, it would have stopped the story progression completely for the scene, derailing all the very fast-paced momentum they'd created up to that point.
** Though I can't deny how delicious the irony would be in a quick scene where the Gargoyles say something like, "Wait a minute... is EVERYONE in the city affected by this spell?" And then we get a jump-cut to Gargoyle Xanatos looking out the window at his home, and suddenly looking right down the camera lens and commenting to himself "Ever get the feeling something's out of place and you just can't put your finger on what it could be?" before cutting back to the clan and the rest of the story.
29th Oct '16 12:00:58 PM nombretomado
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*** GregWeisman himself actually has some interesting [[http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?rid=387 food for thought]] on this very notion, albeit in the form of informal musings rather than conclusive WordOfGod. Regardless of whether or not you buy his reasoning, the post is definitely worth a read.

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*** GregWeisman Creator/GregWeisman himself actually has some interesting [[http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?rid=387 food for thought]] on this very notion, albeit in the form of informal musings rather than conclusive WordOfGod. Regardless of whether or not you buy his reasoning, the post is definitely worth a read.
19th Oct '16 8:03:46 AM MrDeath
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** Also, their lands, titles and families are kind of important to them. Not everyone is willing to throw away literally everything.
18th Oct '16 6:31:38 PM Temporary14
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** And how were they supposed to do that? Neither of them had access to either advanced technology or magic at the time, so any plan would either be ridiculously convoluted to pull off, or would have required finding and murdering two people who somehow looked exactly like them, which really isn't anything either of them would've done, especially back then.
30th Jul '16 2:37:28 PM SuperMagneto
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* Why didn't they fake their deaths to get of the arranged marriage? Macbeth was worried about putting Gruoch in danger if they run off together, but what if he had arranged a "fatal accident" a day before the wedding? Everyone would think they're dead, and they could easily sneak away to another land (posing as peasants).

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* Why didn't they fake their deaths to get out of the arranged marriage? Macbeth was worried about putting Gruoch in danger if they run off together, but what if he had arranged a "fatal accident" a the day before the wedding? Everyone would think they're dead, and they could easily sneak away to another land (posing as peasants).
11th Jul '16 3:22:45 AM SuperMagneto
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[[WMG: Why didn't Macbeth and Gruoch fake their deaths?]]
* Why didn't they fake their deaths to get of the arranged marriage? Macbeth was worried about putting Gruoch in danger if they run off together, but what if he had arranged a "fatal accident" a day before the wedding? Everyone would think they're dead, and they could easily sneak away to another land (posing as peasants).
29th Jun '16 7:48:44 AM MrDeath
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** Goliath is not biased against humans. And I don't recall anything about other clans in Scotland.
28th Jun '16 4:21:24 PM Nevermore2002
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[[WMG: Goliath leaving the eggs to Katherine]]
* Why did Goliath left the eggs to Katherine's care, who of all people is a ''human''? Didn't the massacre taught him to be more cautious with who he should trust? Why not handing them over to the Wyvern split-clan or some other clans in Scotland?
9th May '16 11:59:22 PM erforce
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** In the Gargoyles universe all time is simultaneous and immutable. There doesn't need to be a first cause because the entire loop all exists together as a single event. it's like the old paradox of going back in time to meet Martin Luther king only to be dismayed because he's having trouble writing his "I have a dream" speech. So you write it from memory for him. So you got the speech from TV/school/books. but the TV/school/Books got the speech from him, but he got it from you.The speech didn't really come from anywhere. Gargoyles is 100% consistent on this too. When you get used to the way time travel works in the series this kind of thing makes a weird sort of sense. (Note: "Watchmen" and "The Time Traveler's Wife" and "The Terminator" [but not ''necessarily'' its sequels] among others use this same model for time Travel.)

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** In the Gargoyles universe all time is simultaneous and immutable. There doesn't need to be a first cause because the entire loop all exists together as a single event. it's like the old paradox of going back in time to meet Martin Luther king only to be dismayed because he's having trouble writing his "I have a dream" speech. So you write it from memory for him. So you got the speech from TV/school/books. but the TV/school/Books got the speech from him, but he got it from you.The speech didn't really come from anywhere. Gargoyles is 100% consistent on this too. When you get used to the way time travel works in the series this kind of thing makes a weird sort of sense. (Note: "Watchmen" ''Comicbook/{{Watchmen}}'' and "The Time Traveler's Wife" ''Film/TheTimeTravelersWife'' and "The Terminator" ''Film/TheTerminator'' [but not ''necessarily'' its sequels] among others use this same model for time Travel.)



Why? Xanathos repaired him not once but twice. But for some reason, the face continues to be "one-half xanatos, one-half {{Terminator}}" instend of just choosing one or the other.

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Why? Xanathos repaired him not once but twice. But for some reason, the face continues to be "one-half xanatos, one-half {{Terminator}}" Franchise/{{Terminator}}" instend of just choosing one or the other.
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