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** Doubt that since Lust seem just as loyal to Father as much as Pride was, its just she is a pretty much of a loose canon when she wants to kill, even ignoring not to kill a confirmed sacrifice and a candiate for it. Also both her and Wrath both tried to stop people from entering Father's liar, I think this proves they were pretty loyal to Father.
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*** But there ''would'' be a reason to incur all the risks of disappearing Ed--to make assurance double sure. Remmeber, Kimbley nearly killed the poor kid, and then that precious sacrifice would have gone bye bye. Besides, Father could easily crush Mustang under his heel. Hell, Bradley could. As for whether or not they knew he was prime sacrifice material:
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*** But there ''would'' be a reason to incur all the risks of disappearing Ed--to make assurance double sure. Remmeber, Remember, Kimbley nearly killed the poor kid, and then that precious sacrifice would have gone bye bye.Al's soul was a flight risk too. Besides, Father could easily crush Mustang under his heel. Hell, Bradley could. As for whether or not they knew he was prime sacrifice material:
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*** But there ''would'' be a reason to incur all the risks of disappearing Ed--to make assurance double sure. Besides, Father could easily crush Mustang under his heel. Hell, Bradley could. As for whether or not they knew he was prime sacrifice material:
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*** But there ''would'' be a reason to incur all the risks of disappearing Ed--to make assurance double sure. Remmeber, Kimbley nearly killed the poor kid, and then that precious sacrifice would have gone bye bye. Besides, Father could easily crush Mustang under his heel. Hell, Bradley could. As for whether or not they knew he was prime sacrifice material:
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->Envy: Edward Elric, isn't he that alchemist everyone's talking about? Youngest ever? Hero of the people?
->Lust: Let's look up his file. An amputee, huh? You remember he ''did'' have automail. And he seemed to use a circle-less deconstruction technique on Slicer. Mighty suspicious. Probably saw the gate. Let's look into that brother of his as well.
->Envy: Looks like it's Elric hunting time! (Mustang will be a problem though...)
[[Though I will grant that both Lust and Bradley didn't seem all that keen on the sacrifice thing. Lust tried to outright kill Alphonse later on, and Bradley was probably smart enough to put two and two together when Ed circle-lessly transmuted that spear right in front of him yet seemed to say nothing to Father about it. I guess neither was as beholden to Father as Pride was.]]
->Lust: Let's look up his file. An amputee, huh? You remember he ''did'' have automail. And he seemed to use a circle-less deconstruction technique on Slicer. Mighty suspicious. Probably saw the gate. Let's look into that brother of his as well.
->Envy: Looks like it's Elric hunting time! (Mustang will be a problem though...)
[[Though I will grant that both Lust and Bradley didn't seem all that keen on the sacrifice thing. Lust tried to outright kill Alphonse later on, and Bradley was probably smart enough to put two and two together when Ed circle-lessly transmuted that spear right in front of him yet seemed to say nothing to Father about it. I guess neither was as beholden to Father as Pride was.]]
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*** But there would be a reason to incur all the risks of disappearing Ed--to make assurance double sure. Besides, Father could easily crush Mustang under his heel. Hell, Bradley could. As for whether or not they knew he was prime sacrifice material:
Envy: Edward Elric, isn't he that alchemist everyone's talking about? Youngest ever? Hero of the people?
Lust: Let's look up his file. An amputee, huh? And he seemed to use a circle-less deconstruction technique on Slicer. Mighty suspicious. Probably saw the gate. Let's look into that brother of his as well.
Envy: Looks like it's Elric hunting time!
Envy: Edward Elric, isn't he that alchemist everyone's talking about? Youngest ever? Hero of the people?
Lust: Let's look up his file. An amputee, huh? And he seemed to use a circle-less deconstruction technique on Slicer. Mighty suspicious. Probably saw the gate. Let's look into that brother of his as well.
Envy: Looks like it's Elric hunting time!
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*** But there would ''would'' be a reason to incur all the risks of disappearing Ed--to make assurance double sure. Besides, Father could easily crush Mustang under his heel. Hell, Bradley could. As for whether or not they knew he was prime sacrifice material:
Envy: ->Envy: Edward Elric, isn't he that alchemist everyone's talking about? Youngest ever? Hero of the people?
Lust: ->Lust: Let's look up his file. An amputee, huh? You remember he ''did'' have automail. And he seemed to use a circle-less deconstruction technique on Slicer. Mighty suspicious. Probably saw the gate. Let's look into that brother of his as well.
Envy: ->Envy: Looks like it's Elric hunting time!time! (Mustang will be a problem though...)
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Though I will grant that both Lust and Bradley didn't seem all that keen on the sacrifice thing. Lust tried to outright kill Alphonse later on, and Bradley was probably smart enough to put two and two together when Ed circle-lessly transmuted that spear right in front of him yet seemed to say nothing to Father about it.
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Though I will grant that both Lust and Father didn't seem all that keen on the sacrifice thing. Lust tried to outright kill Alphonse later on, and Father was probably smart enough to put two and two together when Ed circle-lessly transmuted that spear right in front of him yet seemed to say nothing to Father about it.
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*** But there would be a reason to incur all the risks of disappearing Ed--to make assurance double sure. Besides, Father could easily crush Mustang under his heel. Hell, Bradley could. As for whether or not they knew he was prime sacrifice material:
Envy: Edward Elric, isn't he that alchemist everyone's talking about? Youngest ever? Hero of the people?
Lust: Let's look up his file. An amputee, huh? And he seemed to use a circle-less deconstruction technique on Slicer. Mighty suspicious Probably saw the gate. Let's look into that brother of his as well.
Envy: Looks like it's Elric hunting time!
Though I will grant that both Lust and Father didn't seem all that keen on the sacrifice thing. Lust tried to outright kill Alphonse later on, and Father was probably smart enough to put two and two together when Ed circle-lessly transmuted that spear right in front of him yet seemed to say nothing to Father about it.
Envy: Edward Elric, isn't he that alchemist everyone's talking about? Youngest ever? Hero of the people?
Lust: Let's look up his file. An amputee, huh? And he seemed to use a circle-less deconstruction technique on Slicer. Mighty suspicious Probably saw the gate. Let's look into that brother of his as well.
Envy: Looks like it's Elric hunting time!
Though I will grant that both Lust and Father didn't seem all that keen on the sacrifice thing. Lust tried to outright kill Alphonse later on, and Father was probably smart enough to put two and two together when Ed circle-lessly transmuted that spear right in front of him yet seemed to say nothing to Father about it.
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** Marcoh wasn't JUST a candidate for sacrifice. He was a candidate for sacrifice who studied the Philosopher's Stone extensively. He had knowledge that was potentially dangerous and couldn't be allowed to go unchecked. As for why not lock up Ed...did Envy know Ed was a confirmed candidate yet? He demonstrated circle-less alchemy when fighting the Armor Brothers, but Envy wasn't present for most of that fight. I got the feeling Lust, Envy, and Gluttony had just arrived when Lust pierced Slicer's helmet; otherwise, they most certainly would have intervened to keep him from killing a sacrifice. In any case, even if they were aware, they don't need to lock him up. There's no reason for it. He doesn't know anything dangerous and he's already a State Alchemist. The quest for the Philosopher's Stone can hold his interest and he knows nothing about any of them. He is not, in any way, shape, or form, a threat to the plan at this point. Locking him up would create an enemy where one does not need to exist, not just in him, but also in his brother Al, and possibly in Mustang, who they were trying VERY HARD to avoid making an enemy of because, as one of the homonculi, I forget which, later notes...of all the alchemists in Amestris, they fear him the most. You can't just make people disappear without repurcussions. And that's not even going into the fact that, as part of the military, they basically own him anyway.
*** TL;DR: The search for the Philosopher's Stone and the perks of a State Alchemist are a better cage than any they could build.
*** TL;DR: The search for the Philosopher's Stone and the perks of a State Alchemist are a better cage than any they could build.
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* Why did Envy bring precious human sacrifice Ed back to the military after the Fifth Laboratory incident? Why not just keep Ed, who had demonstrated circle-less alchemy when fighting the Armor Brothers, locked up until the eclipse? After all, Envy would outright incarcerate Marco later on, who was merely a candidate for sacrifice. Envy could have easily just ripped off all of Ed's limbs after he fainted and Father could have subsequently kept him sedated.
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** This troper thinks that, for the manga fans at least, it's largely a point of frustration. The anime was very, very good -- it's just crap when compared to the manga. The manga has a much more complex, dark and meaningful storyline (as well as having more convincing characters and actually making sense), so there's some frustration that manga fans feel when dealing with people who watch the anime exclusively. Seeing FMA represented by the anime is like seeing YuGiOh represented by the anime -- 4kids version.
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** This troper thinks that, for the manga fans at least, it's largely a point of frustration. The anime was very, very good -- it's just crap when compared to the manga. The manga has a much more complex, dark and meaningful storyline (as well as having more convincing characters and actually making sense), so there's some frustration that manga fans feel when dealing with people who watch the anime exclusively. Seeing FMA represented by the anime is like seeing YuGiOh {{Yu-Gi-Oh}} represented by the anime -- 4kids version.
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* This troper is Edwin shipper but never had a problem with EdRose, maybe on the account of the fact I don't consider the first anime canon to the FMA series so I don't think it ever had a chance since Rose was a minor character in the manga/Brotherhood. Also Rose is a Edwin shipper herself in the manga. I think it has to go mainly for ShipToShipCombat and DieForOurShip and all that jazz.
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** I think part of it has to do with people just generally hating the first anime as a whole. Rose barely had any screentime outside of Liore in the manga and second anime, while Winry was a much better character, resulting in a staunch division of manga/Brotherhood fans who like Edwin, first anime fans who like Edwin, and first anime fans who like EdRose. Personally, this troper shipped Edrose from the very first episode of the first anime, having never read the manga before then, and was surprised and disappointed when she didn't go with Ed and Al on their journey at the end of the second. Having read the manga and seen Brotherhood now, this troper's fondness for Edrose has...waned. Not because Rose is any less likeable of a character, but simply because she's less relevant of one.
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Why is Wrath (manga and Brotherhood) unable to regenerate from wounds? GreedLing can regenerate and was made the same way. Also, doesn't Wrath prove humans can't be immortal? He got old. Actually, how the heck is Wrath even a Homunculus? It just seems like the philosopher stone just gave him a messed up eye and a strong belief he's not human. I strongly believe if Wrath had all the benefits normal homunculi seem to get, he'd have destroyed anyone (except Father).
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** Greedling was created the same way as Wrath, but he submitted to his Stone, which seems to have made the integration go smoother. Greed was expecting a fight, remember? Wrath, on the other hand, mentions that the souls in his Stone burned themselves out until there was only one left, and he doesn't know if that is his original soul or a different one. Because he only has one soul, he only has one life. Only having one soul also seems to be the reason why his body ages, although it DOES still age slower than it should; note that while he looks to be in his 40's at most now, [[spoiler: when he died, his body immediately aged substantially, to what a 60+ year old man should reasonably look like]]. This next part gets into fanwank territory, but it's likely that Father never gave him any more souls after he was made, the way he could for the other homonculi, because he needed him to continue to age rather than being eternally youthful like the other homonculi. If the fuhrer suddenly became immortal, people would be asking questions about that. Wrath has to be able to age and die.
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*Why do so many people seem to hate Rose from the first anime and the EdRose pairing? I don’t see anything wrong with her or it.
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* Why is Wrath (manga and Brotherhood) unable to regenerate from wounds? GreedLing can regenerate and was made the same way. Also, doesn't Wrath prove humans can't be immortal? He got old. Actually, how the heck is Wrath even a Homunculus? It just seems like the philosopher stone just gave him a messed up eye and a strong belief he's not human. I strongly believe if Wrath had all the benefits normal homunculi seem to get, he'd have destroyed anyone (except Father).
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* Can someone fix the analysis page on Fullmetal Alchemist it states incorrectly the homunculus ages. The Pefect book 2 has given the chronogical creation of the homunculus with Pride being the oldest Lust the second, mention by Greed and Envy who call her an old hag, Greed the third, Envy the fourth, Sloth the fifth and Gluttony the sixth, meaning not the oldest by a long shot. Just ranting so yeah.
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* Can someone fix the analysis page on Fullmetal Alchemist it states incorrectly the homunculus ages. The Pefect book Perfect Guide 2 has given the chronogical creation of the homunculus with Pride being the oldest Lust the second, mention by Greed and Envy who call her an old hag, Greed the third, Envy the fourth, Sloth the fifth and Gluttony the sixth, meaning not the oldest by a long shot. Just ranting so yeah.
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** Its quiet alright and good speculation on your part. Oh and also the Perfect Guide 2, which I misspelled and apologize for, is a book that Hiromu Arakawa wrote about some extra info on the characters up to chapter 70. It gives like ages for the homunculus which it says in one example that Pride is 400 years old meaning he was most likely created right after the destruction of Xeres. Check the official FMA website forums and someone will most likely give you a link to a scanalation of it.
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* I'm sorry as well, but I'd like to remind people that the first anime and movie is different from the original manga and second anime. Mixing this up cause a bit of confusion for the ones that have only seen/read one of the two versions.
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*** [[spoiler:being exposed to their original body or parts of it]] was only in the first anime. In the manga and second anime they [[spoiler:had a limited number of lives,]] and would die if they [[spoiler:lost their last life.]] They could however refill the [[spoiler:amount of lives they had left.]]
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**** SHE didn't encounter Bald. Ed encountered Bald, and was able to trash his automail, citing that his own automail, which Winry is the mechanic for, is just better. That's the encounter I'm referring to. Don't be so dismissive of people just because your memory lacks, and don't assume an anime fan just because you don't recall a manga reference. Also, Winry is not an expert. She's highly proficient, but she still has much to learn. That's why she stayed in Rush Valley. That's why she wanted to study northern automail. A prodigy is an UNUSUALLY gifted person; Winry's talents appropriately reflect her history as a person growing up in an automail shop, learning to build automail with a good automail mechanic, and then going out into the world to learn more about automail and build better automail. Just being good at something doesn't make her a prodigy, and not being a prodigy doesn't mean she's not good at it; it simply means that her skills come from experience, education, and years of hard work, and not just an innate understanding of all things automail.
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** I added that analysis based on speculation. I've never heard of that book- what is it?
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* Can someone fix the analysis page on Fullmetal Alchemist it states incorrectly the homunculus ages. The Pefect book 2 has given the chronogical creation of the homunculus with Pride being the oldest Lust the second, mention by Greed and Envy who call her an old hag, Greed the third, Envy the fourth, Sloth the fifth and Gluttony the sixth, meaning not the oldest by a long shot. Just ranting so yeah.
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*** Quick question how in the world did she have REAL encounter with Bald, the same Bald who only appeared in one FMA chapter and no mention in Brotherhood unless your talking about the first anime which I have forgot most of the early parts if so your mention of him is irrevelant since were talking about May you know who doesn't appear in the first anime. Also a child prodigy by defintion is an individual who is a master of one or more skills or arts at an early age hell Winry was already an expert on automail at age of 11. She mentions she read medical books at an early age and understood them and even remembers what was in them even a decade later. How is she not a prodigy?
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*** I wouldn't really call Winry a child prodigy; just well trained. Her automail is good, about what could be expected from someone who's been studying it all her life and lives in an automail shop with her automail-mechanic grandmother, but it's never been shown to be truly EXCEPTIONAL save for that one encounter early on with Bald. Winry still has room to grow and is still learning. She's very good at what she does, but I wouldn't say any moreso than someone of her age and history could be expected to be.
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** Thank you for the above post it make sense when you refer to May as a Mary Sue I mean her name is one letter off being Mary. I'm a guy and never read fma fanfics that have out of characters because many of them are alchemist mary sues. That might be why I never thought of that possibility. It now makes sense to me why so many fangirls hate with a passion. Also I have heard many fangirls that hate Winry for being also a Mary Sue as many of them put it and the same can be used as you what said with May since she is a close family friend of the Elrics and a child prodigy and has a similar personality to May.
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** I sometimes wonder if certain fangirls hate her because she's an apt parody of the kind of Mary Sue that's so common in the fullmetal world. Seriously, she's the half-sister of another important character (Ling), she's a child prodigy in both alchemy and martial arts, and she's in love with Edward. BUT she has all the realistic immaturity of a child prodigy, her love for Edward is based entirely on a sue-fied version of him that exists only in her mind, and her entire character arc is her becoming self-sacrificing and putting others needs before her own desires (exactly the opposite of what usually happens in [[BlackHoleSue Mary sue fic]].) She's both a mockery and a clever deconstruction, and it all probably hits too close to home.
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** I sometimes wonder if certain fangirls hate her because she's an apt parody of the kind of Mary Sue that's so common in the fullmetal world. Seriously, she's the half-sister of another important character (Ling), she's a child prodigy in both alchemy and martial arts, and she's in initially love with Edward.Edward and ends up with Al. BUT she has all the realistic immaturity of a child prodigy, her love for Edward is based entirely on a sue-fied version of him that exists only in her mind, and her entire character arc is her becoming self-sacrificing and putting others needs before her own desires (exactly the opposite of what usually happens in [[BlackHoleSue Mary sue fic]].) She's both a mockery and a clever deconstruction, and it all probably hits too close to home.
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** One must remember the reason Marcoh gave Roy the stone in the first place. Without his vision, Roy would be forced to retire and would not be able to become Füher. Marcoh decided to gave back his vision so he could have a guarantee the new leader would reform Ishbal. So, it would be pointless if the stone wore out before restoring Roy. Marcoh probably couldn't effort that risk and Roy did know that. I agree the manga failed to made explicit Roy would heal Havoc lather if he could, though.
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** I sometimes wonder if certain fangirls hate her because she's an apt parody of the kind of Mary Sue that's so common in the fullmetal world. Seriously, she's the half-sister of another important character (Ling), she's a child prodigy in both alchemy and martial arts, and she's in love with Edward. BUT she has all the realistic immaturity of a child prodigy, her love for Edward is based entirely on a sue-fied version of him that exists only in her mind, and her entire character arc is her becoming self-sacrificing and putting others needs before her own desires (exactly the opposite of what usually happens in [[BlackHoleSue Mary sue fic]].) She's both a mockery and a clever deconstruction, and it all probably hits too close to home.
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* I have a question to the fangirls of Fullmetal Alchemist why do many of you have such a huge problem with May?
