History Headscratchers / FrozenFever

* It could be [[{{Doylist}} a continuity error]], but there are a few possible [[{{Watsonian}} in-universe explanations]]. One is that he started washing less, but there doesn't seem to be any reason he would start doing that when he starts dating royalty. Either the trolls or Elsa could be wrong, too. Elsa might assume he must not wash often because he smells, or the trolls might have a different idea of "washing well" and count splashing some water on your face every one in a while.

* Wouldn't Elsa be able to cure her fever with her powers (IE, cooling herself down) pretty easily? I mean, it wouldn't cure all the symptoms, but I'm a little surprised they never thought of that.

** It's also possible that ''Frozen Fever'' takes place AFTER ''Disney/OlafsFrozenAdventure'' (which was explicitly said to be the first Christmas in Arendelle since Elsa's coronation), so Anna's first birthday since the coronation is still on the summer solstice.

** It's possible that Elsa sports the ice dresses we see in ''Frozen Fever'' and ''Disney/OlafsFrozenAdventure'' for formal events, filling the same purpose that her coronation dress would've been brought out for had she not used that to create the original ice dress. I think at other times, Elsa just wears the same fabric [[https://66.media.tumblr.com/f82d3a081d480de573924100b1cc24fb/tumblr_n1mv0fcGLk1rf73xqo3_540.png jacket]] [[https://66.media.tumblr.com/89e89115ac665d31a0302bf3b2cfe51b/tumblr_inline_o1snl71uXG1r83ndd_500.gif dresses]] that we see her wearing all through [[https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/disney/images/e/e4/Olaf%27s_Frozen_Adventure_51.png/revision/latest?cb=20171202131708 her childhood]] and teenage years (maybe with a thin layer of ice applied to them to give them a little shine). And by ''Disney/FrozenII'', Elsa has found another style and wears an outfit without the long train.

** The Christmas Special Wiki also states that ''WesternAnimation/OlafsFrozenAdventure'' comes after ''Disney/FrozenII''. This places the order as being ''Frozen'', ''WesternAnimation/FrozenFever'', ''Disney/FrozenII'' and ''WesternAnimation/OlafsFrozenAdventure''. This wasn't officially confirmed by Disney, but considering ''WesternAnimation/OlafsFrozenAdventure'' was made by a different team, it's pretty possible that the producer and writer of that short were only told something along the lines of "It's the first holiday since Elsa's coronation, go". The main events of the short could pretty much go anywhere on the official timeline, either after ''Frozen'' but before ''WesternAnimation/FrozenFever'' or after ''WesternAnimation/FrozenFever'' as is in the release order. ''Disney/FrozenII'' also affirms the placement of ''WesternAnimation/FrozenFever'' in the timeline by acknowledging the Snowgies, which is a given since the original team worked on ''WesternAnimation/FrozenFever'' and had little to no involvement in the conception and development of ''WesternAnimation/OlafsFrozenAdventure'' although the team who worked on ''WesternAnimation/OlafsFrozenAdventure'' said they vetted the script and contributed notes, but in terms of actual production, little-to-no.

** LimitedWardrobe is the easiest answer. I'm sure she has a full wardrobe of clothing to wear that she's [[IncrediblyLamePun iced out]] to fit her new style. We just never see it because [[IconicOutfit the dress is iconic to her.]] Notice that Anna is still wearing the same clothes as before as well and Hans is shoveling manure in the same suit he was wearing to Elsa's coronation. The only recurring character to have an entirely new outfit from the movie is Oaken...well if you consider his [[NakedPeopleAreFunny state of]] [[CensorSteam dress]] to be an alternate outfit...

** The Christmas Special Wiki also states that ''WesternAnimation/OlafsFrozenAdventure'' comes after ''Disney/FrozenII''. This places the order as being ''Frozen'', ''WesternAnimation/FrozenFever'', ''Disney/FrozenII'' and ''WesternAnimation/OlafsFrozenAdventure''. This wasn't officially confirmed by Disney, but considering this short was made by a different team, it's pretty possible that the producer and writer of ''WesternAnimation/OlafsFrozenAdventure'' were only told something along the lines of "It's the first holiday since Elsa's coronation, go". The main events of the short could pretty much go anywhere on the official timeline, either after ''Frozen'' but before ''WesternAnimation/FrozenFever'' or after ''WesternAnimation/FrozenFever'' as is in the release order. ''Disney/FrozenII'' also affirms the placement of ''WesternAnimation/FrozenFever'' in the timeline by acknowledging the Snowgies, which is a given since the original team worked on ''WesternAnimation/FrozenFever'' and had little to no involvement in the conception and development of ''WesternAnimation/OlafsFrozenAdventure'' although the team who worked on ''WesternAnimation/OlafsFrozenAdventure'' said they vetted the script and contributed notes, but in terms of actual production, little-to-no.

** The Christmas Special Wiki also states that the short comes after ''Disney/FrozenII''. This places the order as being ''Frozen'', ''WesternAnimation/FrozenFever'', ''Disney/FrozenII'' and ''WesternAnimation/OlafsFrozenAdventure''. This wasn't officially confirmed by Disney, but considering this short was made by a different team, it's pretty possible that the producer and writer of this short were only told something along the lines of "It's the first holiday since Elsa's coronation, go". They may not have been concerned too much about viewing order. The main events of the short could pretty much go anywhere on the official timeline, either after ''Frozen'' but before ''WesternAnimation/FrozenFever'' or after ''WesternAnimation/FrozenFever'' as is in the release order. ''Disney/FrozenII'' also affirms the placement of ''WesternAnimation/FrozenFever'' in the timeline by acknowledging the Snowgies, which is a given since the original team worked on ''WesternAnimation/FrozenFever'' and had little to no involvement in the conception and development of ''WesternAnimation/OlafsFrozenAdventure'' although the team who worked on ''WesternAnimation/OlafsFrozenAdventure'' said they vetted the script and contributed notes, but in terms of actual production, little-to-no.

** The key word is "real" birthday. I think what's really being implied is that Anna just had a bunch of really depressing, half-hearted birthdays, with no friends she could have there to celebrate with her and no Elsa for her to spend time with either, even on that one special day. There's only so many new gifts you can expect to receive and only so many special memories you can expect to create when your only party guests are the same few servants your parents have decided to keep around the castle through the years.

** It's possible the exact year on the map is a little outdated, but the 1840s timeframe is supported by a lot of evidence and sources, including the official ''Art of Frozen'' [[https://books.google.com/books?id=otmqBwAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=art+of+frozen&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjsjI7_hrDiAhWJhOAKHZp8BrIQuwUIKzAA#v=onepage&q=1840s&f=false book.]]

** The Christmas Special Wiki also states that the short comes after ''Disney/FrozenII''. This places the order as being ''Frozen'', ''WesternAnimation/FrozenFever'', ''Disney/FrozenII'' and ''WesternAnimation/OlafsFrozenAdventure''. This wasn't officially confirmed by Disney, but considering this short was made by a different team, it's obviously clear that the producer and writer of this short were only told something along the lines of "It's the first holiday since Elsa's coronation, go". The main events of the short could pretty much go anywhere on the official timeline, either after ''Frozen'' but before ''WesternAnimation/FrozenFever'' or after ''WesternAnimation/FrozenFever'' as is in the release order. [WordofGod] also pretty much described the shorts as expansions and not canon to the story arc the two movies were building, so they're probably aren't concerned too much about viewing order. ''Disney/FrozenII'' also affirms the placement of ''WesternAnimation/FrozenFever'' in the timeline by acknowledging the Snowgies, which is a given since the original team worked on ''WesternAnimation/FrozenFever'' and had little to no involvement in the conception and development of ''WesternAnimation/OlafsFrozenAdventure'' although the team who worked on ''WesternAnimation/OlafsFrozenAdventure'' said they vetted the script and contributed notes, but in terms of actual production, little-to-no.

** The Christmas Special Wiki also states that the short comes after ''Disney/FrozenII''. This places the order as being ''Frozen'', ''WesternAnimation/FrozenFever'', ''FrozenII'' and ''WesternAnimation/OlafsFrozenAdventure''. This wasn't officially confirmed by Disney, but considering this short was made by a different team, it's obviously clear that the producer and writer of this short were only told something along the lines of "It's the first holiday since Elsa's coronation, go". The main events of the short could pretty much go anywhere on the official timeline, either after ''Frozen'' but before ''WesternAnimation/FrozenFever'' or after ''WesternAnimation/FrozenFever'' as is in the release order. [WordofGod] also pretty much described the shorts as expansions and not canon to the story arc the two movies were building, so they're probably aren't concerned too much about viewing order. ''Disney/FrozenII'' also affirms the placement of ''WesternAnimation/FrozenFever'' in the timeline by acknowledging the Snowgies, which is a given since the original team worked on ''WesternAnimation/FrozenFever'' and had little to no involvement in the conception and development of ''WesternAnimation/OlafsFrozenAdventure'' although the team who worked on ''WesternAnimation/OlafsFrozenAdventure'' said they vetted the script and contributed notes, but in terms of actual production, little-to-no.

** The end line is that it’s messed up from the beginning. So whichever timeline you choose, it’s as good as any. If we're to assume that ''Frozen Fever'' comes before ''Olaf's Frozen Adventure'', there's some continuity issues at hand. ''Frozen'' takes place in July because Oaken says so ("a real howler in July, yes?"). While this is an oral message we get, the visual one is in contradiction to it, as the scenery in Arendelle before and after the "Eternal Winter" screams spring. Like, Disney is terrible with plants, but some are recognizable for everyone: crocuses (c. vernus), flowers of Arendelle, and Wisteria (w. floribunda) are seen in bloom, and these are spring blooming flowers. In ''Frozen Fever'', Anna gets a bouquet of flowers from Elsa and again some are easily recognizable: sunflowers (helianthus annuus) which bloom in summer, and definitely after crocuses and wisteria. And no matter how you try, June can't happen after July, no matter the year. Funny thing, we are never told onscreen when exactly Anna’s birthday is. We have that knowledge from [[SchrodingersCanon outside sources]] like Jennifer Lee’s famous tweet and a few ''Frozen'' books that also use a summer solstice date. Visually, the ''Frozen'' saga order fits the order in which these movies were made and suggests that they happen in Spring (''Frozen''), Summer (''Frozen Fever''), and Winter of the same year (''Olaf's Frozen Adventure''), something [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOxSaP9orhE&feature=youtu.be kinda confirmed by Chris Buck]]. But with additional info (Oaken’s comment in ''Frozen'' and Jennifer Lee's tweet about Anna’s birthday date) this order does not work anymore.

** For sure the franchise takes place in the 1840s, what is confirmed by the date on ''Frozen Fever'' map. For sure ''Frozen'' takes place in July, what is confirmed by Oaken. For sure there is a full moon. For sure ''Frozen Fever'' is on Anna’s birthday and for sure ''Olaf’s Frozen Adventure'' is during Christmas. The rest is a speculation based on more or less reliable sources that sometimes contradict one another. Like Jennifer Lee saying that sisters were born respectively on winter and summer solstices. This would really mess the timeline up, as in, ''Olaf’s Frozen Adventure'' should be before ''Frozen Fever''. As for very exact date of ''Frozen'', there is always some collision of facts. 1839 is good when you literally get the date from the ''Frozen Fever'' map, but then it does not fit with a traditional date of Norwegian monarchs​ coronation, which is Saint Olaf’s Day: 29th of July, and full moon was done by then. The plants we see blooming in ''Frozen'' and ''Frozen Fever'' are totally out of scale: some are spring ones, some are summer ones, some would hardly survive Arendelle climate, what may indicate that the creators did not pay attention much to the exact dates of both ''Frozen'' and ''Frozen Fever'', deciding that “summer” should be enough. Since there is zero reference to Elsa’s birthday in ''Olaf’s Frozen Adventure'', then we can speculate that dates of the girls’ birthdays have changed since Jennifer Lee tweeted about them, or Elsa’s birthday date is a secret. What goes against info in the ''Frozen'' books.

* {{Clock Discrepancy}} During the scene where Else almost falls off the clock tower, the time on the clock face (~4:50pm) is wrong for Arendelle's latitude on June 22 (Anna's birthday is the summer solstice). The sun is setting, which wouldn't happen to after 10pm that far north. If the minute hand and hour hands were reversed, it would be more appropriate.

* Anna's never had a real birthday before? Elsa says, err, sings that Anna has never had a real birthday before. Are they seriously saying that the king and queen never celebrated their daughter's birthday?

* When is Anna's Birthday? Any idea how long after Frozen is Frozen Fever? A year? A month? How long?

** It's possible that Elsa sports the ice dresses we see in ''Frozen Fever'' and ''Disney/OlafsFrozenAdventure'' for formal events, filling the same purpose that her coronation dress would've been brought out for had she not used that to create the original ice dress. I think at other times, Elsa just wears the same fabric [[https://66.media.tumblr.com/f82d3a081d480de573924100b1cc24fb/tumblr_n1mv0fcGLk1rf73xqo3_540.png jacket]] [[https://66.media.tumblr.com/89e89115ac665d31a0302bf3b2cfe51b/tumblr_inline_o1snl71uXG1r83ndd_500.gif dresses]] that we see her wearing all through [[https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/disney/images/e/e4/Olaf%27s_Frozen_Adventure_51.png/revision/latest?cb=20171202131708 her childhood]] and teenage years (maybe with a thin layer of ice applied to them to give them a little shine). And by ''Disney/FrozenII'', Elsa has clearly refined her ice dresses even further, throwing away the long train (replaced with a scarf and snowflake broach), and using duller shades of blue.

** There is also the fact that Frozen takes place when people thought colds were actually caused by the cold, which doesn't bother Elsa, instead of by germs. You also should remember that for most of her life Elsa avoid contacts with others as much as possible thus not getting in contact with germs and not getting sick, though with a weakened immune system as a result.

** Elsa wore that dress with the thick fur collar in ''Disney/OlafsFrozenAdventure'' and I think that was a regular dress.

** Anna did it

** Also Hans' family are jerks who don't actually care that much, so they probably just thought it would be more fun to keep him around as an indentured servant for the rest of his life than just kick him out. If they're all as bad as he is (or worse), they might be more annoyed that he ''failed'' to kill Anna and Elsa and take over Arendelle then the fact that he tried to do it in the first place. Plus, if any of the rest of them ever wanted to attack Arendelle or try to get rid of the queen with the intimidating magic ice powers, now they've got a good source of information on them. Hans is more useful to them there and alive right now.

* A bit meta, I suppose, but why does ''Frozen Fever'' have its own Headscratchers page? It's not like there's such an abundance of information that it would necessitate having its own page - there's only a few questions here. Why not just add them to the page for the film?
** There are plenty of feature films with shorter Headscratchers lists than ''Frozen Fever''. It's a short, but there's no reason ''not'' to give it its own page; the one for ''Frozen'' is long enough that separating the short's FridgeLogic out makes the main film's list a bit more readable.
* Isn't it a bit overdramatized to list Elsa as TheWoobie? I can understand in the original film, but the YMMV page seems to qualify her as one just because she gets sick. Since when did having an illness make you a Woobie?
** She's so desperate to make up for years of missed birthdays to Anna that she nearly falls to her death. And then is ''still'' convinced she ruined Anna's birthday until told otherwise.
* Why was Hans' punishment to clean up manuare? He tried to assassinate a foreign monarch and usurp rule of a country. Shouldn't he have had a more severe punishment due to taking actions that could incite a war?

** It's possible Hans's family didn't get the whole story, because his actions were only part of the film's main conflict - as everyone on the main page has said, Elsa fleeing the kingdom effectively meant she abdicated the throne to Anna, so she's not exactly the reigning monarch. Not to mention, she was the cause of the winter plaguing the kingdom, and Hans (as well as many others) figured that killing her was the only way to stop it, so he wasn't trying to kill her just with cementing his kingship in mind. Also, as informal as it was, Anna did initially accept his marriage proposal. There were a ''lot'' more details than just "Hans came to Arendelle and tried to kill Elsa to usurp her throne." What he did was still ''wrong'', mind you, but there were a number of reasons (and thus, potential defense arguments) he could've used to justify doing it.