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* What bloody sense does it make that Alt!Broyles got sucked into our Universe to replace Alt!Olivia's mass? Alt!Broyles was in Boston at the time, in Harvard's basement. Alt!Olivia was in Penn Station.
** Alt!Broyles was intentionally sent by Walternate in place of Ourlivia, because she had escaped, and Alt!Broyles had become a traitor to Walternate/the Other Side by helping Ourlivia. But if this troper is doing the math right, that means Our Side has extra mass (Alt!Broyles). So maybe we'll see a "disappearance" case next season.
*** Couldn't it be that Alt!Broyles wasn't whole when he came through, missing a arm and leg if I remember correctly. Wouldn't be extra mass then.
**** Ourlivia and Fauxlivia replaced each other's mass when they switched. But Ourlivia found her own way back (without exchanging any kind of mass), and the Other Side sent Alt!Broyles through to "grab" Fauxlivia and pull her back. So now both Olivias are where they started, and Our Side has Alt!Broyles' mass in addition to Ourlivia's. So, extra mass.
***** Cortexophan-based crossings are exempt from this rule, which is why Walternate is so interested in it. Walter's doorway when he first grabbed Peter also seemed to be. So, remembering the other Cortexophan patients who died right away, it looks like the other side is the one with more mass right now. The spacial displacement with Alt!Broyles getting chunked and displacing Alt!Olivia's mass might get explained if we learn how the transferrence mechanism on the other side works.
*** There is no extra mass and this is easily explained by the fact that you're talking about two entirely different processes. Olivia was able to come through without a mass exchange because she has Cortexiphan in her system - as explained above, this is why Walternate is so keen to have it. The Cortexiphan Kids can cross at will. Alt-Oliva on the other hand crossed over using the rods injected into her body by the shapeshifter - this process, without Cortexiphan - requires a mass exchange. Walternate used the dead Alt-Broyles - who had been shot and killed during Olivia's escape, and cut off an arm and leg to make sure the mass exchange balanced out. Simple!
*** I think the original troper's objection was to the fact that alt-Broyles was in Harvard and Bolivia was in Penn Station when the exchange took place. Except that it didn't because there was a decent interval between Ourlivia returning to our side and Bolivia going back to theirs, which would have given the other side enough time, particularly with their advanced technology, to transport alt-Broyles to the appropriate location to make the switch, taking time to hack bits of him off to make the mass equivalent along the way.
** Alt!Broyles was intentionally sent by Walternate in place of Ourlivia, because she had escaped, and Alt!Broyles had become a traitor to Walternate/the Other Side by helping Ourlivia. But if this troper is doing the math right, that means Our Side has extra mass (Alt!Broyles). So maybe we'll see a "disappearance" case next season.
*** Couldn't it be that Alt!Broyles wasn't whole when he came through, missing a arm and leg if I remember correctly. Wouldn't be extra mass then.
**** Ourlivia and Fauxlivia replaced each other's mass when they switched. But Ourlivia found her own way back (without exchanging any kind of mass), and the Other Side sent Alt!Broyles through to "grab" Fauxlivia and pull her back. So now both Olivias are where they started, and Our Side has Alt!Broyles' mass in addition to Ourlivia's. So, extra mass.
***** Cortexophan-based crossings are exempt from this rule, which is why Walternate is so interested in it. Walter's doorway when he first grabbed Peter also seemed to be. So, remembering the other Cortexophan patients who died right away, it looks like the other side is the one with more mass right now. The spacial displacement with Alt!Broyles getting chunked and displacing Alt!Olivia's mass might get explained if we learn how the transferrence mechanism on the other side works.
*** There is no extra mass and this is easily explained by the fact that you're talking about two entirely different processes. Olivia was able to come through without a mass exchange because she has Cortexiphan in her system - as explained above, this is why Walternate is so keen to have it. The Cortexiphan Kids can cross at will. Alt-Oliva on the other hand crossed over using the rods injected into her body by the shapeshifter - this process, without Cortexiphan - requires a mass exchange. Walternate used the dead Alt-Broyles - who had been shot and killed during Olivia's escape, and cut off an arm and leg to make sure the mass exchange balanced out. Simple!
*** I think the original troper's objection was to the fact that alt-Broyles was in Harvard and Bolivia was in Penn Station when the exchange took place. Except that it didn't because there was a decent interval between Ourlivia returning to our side and Bolivia going back to theirs, which would have given the other side enough time, particularly with their advanced technology, to transport alt-Broyles to the appropriate location to make the switch, taking time to hack bits of him off to make the mass equivalent along the way.
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** When they went over in the first place, they had the help of the other three Cortexiphan Kids. Maybe she wasn't strong enough on her own. I guess I view her universe hopping as a skill that she has to get better and gain confidence at, not just something she can do at the tip of a hat. Same thing for when she was trapped "Over There" during the third season.
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** This sort of bugged me as well. The best I could come up with was that Rachel had told Olivia she was moving out shortly before she went "Over There" but hadn't actually done so. Then when Olivia was trapped in the other world, she would have known that they had already moved.
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**Chicago. The real question is, how did Olivia know this? As of the Season 2 Finale they were still living with her, but in Season 3 when Olivia is trapped in the alternate universe, we first hear from her that they have moved back to Chicago and that Rachel and her husband are back together. So how did Liv find this out? There's no way she could have known. Probably just a continuity error though.
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** This is total WallBanger territory given the flashbacks in "Peter," where we see Walter himself present a prototype modern cell phone (copied from the parallel universe) to the Military. The fact of William Bell removing knowledge from Walter's head only somewhat alleviates this problem.
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** This is total WallBanger territory given the flashbacks in "Peter," where we see Walter himself present a prototype modern cell phone (copied from the parallel universe) to the Military.Military in 1985. The fact of William Bell removing knowledge from Walter's head only somewhat alleviates this problem.
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** This is total WallBanger territory given the flashbacks in "Peter," where we see Walter himself present a prototype modern cell phone (copied from the parallel universe) to the Military. The fact of William Bell removing knowledge from Walter's head only somewhat alleviates this problem.
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** More like Olivia moved out, in the first two seasons she had her own house they were all at, while in season 3 she's in an apartment, so seems like she gave the house to her sister and moved out, as to why?...umm yeah why!?
*** She was living in an apartment the whole time. Niece and sister simply found their own place.
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** More like Olivia moved out, in the first two seasons she had her own house they were all at, while in season 3 she's in an apartment, so seems like she gave the house to her sister and moved out, as to why?...umm yeah why!?
***She was living in an apartment the whole time. Niece and sister simply found their own place.
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*** She was living in an apartment the whole time. Niece and sister simply found their own place.
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** More like Olivia moved out, in the first two seasons she had her own house they were all at, while in season 3 she's in an apartment, so seems like she gave the house to her sister and moved out, as to why?...umm yeah why!?
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*and peters iq was said to be 190.
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** Remember, DRJ was their leader, and all of their attacks were basically a temper-tantrum to get Bell to notice them. With DRJ dead and failed, they don't have any motivation, and probably just gave up.
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** They moved out between seasons, I assume.
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** Same problem was brought up about The Gates (a show about the supernatural) and one troper suggested that all the recent spikes in related subjects (Twilight, True Blood, etc) kind have worn away at the collective psyche so people tend to treat the in-universe stuff as old hat. Same thing here, one supposes, only on the matter of crazy pseudo-science and all that.
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**** Though to be fair as well, while IQ is a scale, as our own trope page points out, it's not entirely something meaningful in and of itself.
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** [[GordonEcker This troper]] thought the implication was that they used to be in a relationship, and still have feelings for eachother.
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** [[GordonEcker This troper]] thought the photo was supposed to imply that he was a clone (and hint that Peter's a clone, but that theory got {{Jossed}} in Theres More Than One of Everything, making it either foreshadowing for an AbortedArc or an intentional or accidental RedHerring).
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**IIRC the Observers had warned Walter that bad stuff would happen if Peter returned to the other side. To jog his memory they gave him the portrait of Peter , on fire, hooked up to the doomsday machine.
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* Since the discovery of another universe (or multiverses) would be the greatest discovery in human history, I'm always surprised that people on the show don't express more amazement w/ the possibilities.
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** It's not the physical heat of their food, it's the intensity of the flavour, hence the hot peppers. It's implied they have a very dulled sense of taste. Maybe the Slushos have some [[Cloverfield special properties]].
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** It's not the physical heat of their food, it's the intensity of the flavour, hence the hot peppers. It's implied they have a very dulled sense of taste. Maybe the Slushos have some [[Cloverfield [[{{Cloverfield}} special properties]].
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** It's not the physical heat of their food, it's the intensity of the flavour, hence the hot peppers. It's implied they have a very dulled sense of taste. Maybe the Slushos have some [[Cloverfield special properties]].
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*The Observers are always shown eating extremely hot things in every appearance---except 2x16 "Peter", where they're drinking Slushos, which are cold.
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* How is it that everyone is able to figure out that the machine that Walternate is working on is a doomsday device meant to destroy Earth-1? Olivia and Walter were able to tell just by looking at the vague sketches of the machine with Peter inside, and Peter seemed to figure it out once he realized the machine was programmed to work with him. Personally, I completely fail to see how they connected the dots. Anyone?
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* In the first episode, Nina Sharp has a [[{{HollywoodCyborg}} cybernetic arm]] that moves completely naturalistically and (as long as she wears the psuedo-skin covering) ''looks'' same. Why in the infernal blazing hells is this ''not'' a premiere product line for Massive Dynamics (which is isn't, based on Dunham's reaction)? If I were running a company that had that tech, I'd be trumpeting it to the skies. As a transhumanist, withholding something like that is pretty much directly evil, as far as [[{{MegaTroopX}} this troper]] is concerned. Not to mention completely nonsensical for a ''business''.
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* In the first episode, Nina Sharp has a [[{{HollywoodCyborg}} cybernetic arm]] that moves completely naturalistically and (as long as she wears the psuedo-skin covering) ''looks'' same. Why in the infernal blazing hells is this ''not'' a premiere product line for Massive Dynamics (which is isn't, based on Dunham's reaction)? If I were running a company that had that tech, I'd be trumpeting it to the skies. As a transhumanist, withholding something like that is pretty much directly evil, as far as [[{{MegaTroopX}} [[{{@/GamerFromJump}} this troper]] is concerned. Not to mention completely nonsensical for a ''business''.
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** TV series and movies do things like this all the time. That's why there is an [[CaliforniaDoubling own trope]] for this.
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** Wait, who said it wasn't? I can totally imagine a dawning technology being rare enough that there would be people who didn't know about it, but still be available on the market for people who want/need it.
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* In 2x16 "Peter" when Walter goes to the alternate universe to get Peter as he's leaving Walternate's house with Peter he's holding Peter in his arms but when he leaves you can hear the door opening and closing faster than he should be able to, since he's holding Peter...
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* The Nazi guy in The Bishop Revival. They never explain how he is over a hundred, or why he waited so long to start killing people if he was working in the same lab with Walter's father from the start...
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** Maybe he shaves the night before, so that he can get up ten minutes later. Maybe Olivia mentioned offscreen that she likes the stubble. Maybe Walter broke the electric razor.
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** It's not the use that bugs this troper, it's the overuse. I'm pretty sure we know what "FBI Headquarters" and "Harvard University" and "Massive Dynamic" look like by now.
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**** I'm guessing that your calculations included all the calories burning like running, thinking, etc. Just growing up should demand A LOT less energy. It makes the episode a bit less stupid, but not very much.
