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** Most holotapes were actually quite small. Presumably the media archives type holotape was quite rare. Even if it was common, it wouldn't necessarily be useful to put all music on it. These days we can sell music digitally but you don't sell a complete media library with thousands of songs to the general public and selling a holotape with thousands of songs would the equivalent of doing so. Also, since the technology doesn't seem to allow you to just skip to a song, it would be inconvenient for the buyer. It would only really work if they'd actually wanted to preserve all music and so created a project specifically to do so. However, in terms of priorities for a nuclear holocaust, that's a small one (and even if it happened, it's probably just sitting it a vault somewhere waiting to be found). As to the question of why only 50s music seems to survive, I'd speculate that maybe there was a resurgence in popularity of 1950s culture in the 2070s. Given the depressing state of the modern world, the 1950s would probably be seen as an idylic time in US history with victory in World War II fresh in the nation's history, familiar enemies and a hopeful economic outlook.
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** Well, don't forget the MadMax movies which, while more from TheEighties than TheFifties, have already been used aesthetically for many aspects of Fallout's post-Great War society (i.e. the PostApunkalypticArmor, AlwaysChaoticEvil [[TheUsualAdversaries Raiders]] in Fallout3, as well as the highwayman [[NoCelebritiesWereHarmed Mad Mel]]). Presumably, Post-War Australia may be just like the MadMax Australia of scattered survivors and raider packs zipping around in {{WeaponizedCar}}s - just with the cars [[ILoveNuclearPower powered by nuclear engines]] instead of gasoline, and with more mutated humans and animals to worry about on top of all that.
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** Well, don't forget the MadMax movies which, while more from TheEighties than TheFifties, have already been used aesthetically for many aspects of Fallout's post-Great War society (i.e. the PostApunkalypticArmor, AlwaysChaoticEvil VillainByDefault [[TheUsualAdversaries Raiders]] in Fallout3, as well as the highwayman [[NoCelebritiesWereHarmed Mad Mel]]). Presumably, Post-War Australia may be just like the MadMax Australia of scattered survivors and raider packs zipping around in {{WeaponizedCar}}s - just with the cars [[ILoveNuclearPower powered by nuclear engines]] instead of gasoline, and with more mutated humans and animals to worry about on top of all that.
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** Well the real answer has to do with royalty fees. Even though Zenimax Stuidos and Bethesda are major companies who have produced/published very popular games, licensing music for video games isn't a cheap affair. Plus you get into the issue of speculation of cultural progression. Who will really know what sort of music will be trendy in the year 2077? It's easier to just go for a select few songs to set a mood and stick with that.
** Also worth noting, other music did exist. When you ask Three Dog why the variety of music is so poor, he tells the Lone Wanderer that the music that he plays over the radio is literally the only music that survived the wear and tear of the ages. There were other songs he tried to make work but they were broken beyond repair. So you can simply handwave that the music you hear over the radio in the games isn't representative of all that existed between the 1950s and 2070s, but rather that's all that remains from that time period. Though of course this gets into fridge logic territory when you realize that Holotapes have enough data capacity on them to record the entire Library of Congress if need be, so why can't couldn't they store music on those?
** Also worth noting, other music did exist. When you ask Three Dog why the variety of music is so poor, he tells the Lone Wanderer that the music that he plays over the radio is literally the only music that survived the wear and tear of the ages. There were other songs he tried to make work but they were broken beyond repair. So you can simply handwave that the music you hear over the radio in the games isn't representative of all that existed between the 1950s and 2070s, but rather that's all that remains from that time period. Though of course this gets into fridge logic territory when you realize that Holotapes have enough data capacity on them to record the entire Library of Congress if need be, so why can't couldn't they store music on those?
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The series is meant to have a 1950s vibe to it, but are we seriously meant to believe that nobody made new music between the 1950s and 2077? No songs from the Beatles, Black Sabbath, Michael Jackson, or their Fallout equivalents? Sure, we got Slipknot and other modern rock bands in ''VideoGame/FalloutBrotherhoodOfSteel'', but...[[FanonDiscontinuity nobody likes to talk about that game]].
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** Probably the fact that war and the militaristic culture was never really culturally rejected by Fallout universe Americans. While Hippies and the Peace movement did exist in the FO universe, its clear that they never got anywhere near the traction it did in real life and it is implied that Nixon was never impeached. This led to the embrace of traditional American authoritarian values with nothing to question them, and thus - cultural stagnation.
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** Probably the fact that war and the militaristic culture was never really culturally rejected by Fallout universe Americans. While Hippies and the Peace movement did exist in the FO universe, its clear that they never got anywhere near the traction it did in real life and it is implied that Nixon was never impeached. This led to the embrace of traditional American authoritarian values with nothing to question them, and thus - cultural stagnation.
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* This is more hypothetical than anything else but I'm curious how the writers of Fallout plan to handle the issue of a strong military force attaining nuclear weapons in future games. To be blunt, in light of the NCR's success in the West Coast and the Eastern Brotherhood of Steel bringing steady progress to the East Coast, civilization is going to return at some point in the future. What I'm wondering is how are these groups going to treat nuclear weapons when the option of attaining one presents itself? Not only are there a number of nuclear weapons left over from before the war (The Divide, Megaton, etc.) but eventually these factions will learn how to weaponize nuclear material like their ancestors did and create new ones. Do you think the cultural stigma surrounding nuclear weapons, after they ravaged the planet, will make it socially unacceptable for civilians to accept the presence of nuclear weapons in a military arsenal? Or do you think they're doomed to repeat the mistakes of the past and use nuclear weapons in warfare again?
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** They're also Mr. Handys, not Gutsys.
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** While I mostly agree with you, that last sentence bugs me. Ahem, two words. [[GuardiansOfTheGalaxy Rocket Raccoon]].
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** While I mostly agree with you, that last sentence bugs me. Ahem, two words. [[GuardiansOfTheGalaxy [[Comicbook/GuardiansOfTheGalaxy Rocket Raccoon]].
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** Probably the fact that war and the militaristic culture was never really culturally rejected by Fallout universe Americans. While Hippies and the Peace movement did exist in the FO universe, its clear that they never got anywhere near the traction it did in real life and it is implied that Nixon was never impeached. This led to the embrace of traditional American authoritarian values with nothing to question them, and thus - cultural stagnation.
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** The nuclear tech miniaturization probably did not reach everyone like it did the United States. China invaded Anchorage because it needed the oil, and the U.S. could counter-invade China and push them back because of the fusion batteries fitting inside a man-sized tank, their mass-production to fit battalions. If the Chinese had similar nuclear miniaturization, which the Stealth Armor could support, it was apparently too costly for them to manufacture at the level the U.S. could. Even after the Great War, Fission Batteries are a widespread and essential item in the Wasteland.
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* I'm sure there's an offical explanation somewhere, but why did anyone still need an abundance of oil after the nuclear energy boom? Sure, you still need oil for plastic, and probably some other minor things, but from what we see, everything from cars, to robots, to all city power grids were nuclear powered (how else are they working after hundreds of years?). Yet the Great War and by extension, everything seen in the franchise happened because everyone was fighting over oil. The wiki states that it was needed to power the country's ever expanding economy, especially because in this universe, microtechnology never became widespread, but no real explanation is given.
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* I'm sure there's an offical explanation somewhere, but why did anyone still need an abundance of oil after the nuclear energy boom? Sure, you still need oil for plastic, and probably some other minor things, but from what we see, everything from cars, to robots, to all city power grids were nuclear powered (how else are they working after hundreds of years?). Yet the Great War and by extension, everything seen in the franchise happened because everyone was fighting over oil. The wiki states that it was needed to power the country's ever expanding economy, especially because in this universe, microtechnology never became widespread, but no real explanation is given.
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*** Besides, Caesar has [[spoiler: a fatal brain tumor]], [[FridgeBrilliance which could explain why his Intelligence and Charisma are so low in terms of gameplay]].
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** Can't remember where I read that one, but I'm pretty sure that culturally wise, the pre-war future of USA was supposed to represent what people back in the 50s thought the world would look like. Of course, everyone gets to think about technology when they think of the future, and not culture [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpq5ZmANp0k]]. Just as today, when we hear "the future", we imagine stuff like putting our hands through screens of our computers and flying cars, and we don't think that we might as well bring goth net shirts back into being fashionable or create a new genre of music that focuses on sampling dial-up sounds.
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* I get that technology stagnated due to the lack of the transistor, but what caused culture to become stagnated and stuck in the 50s? I can't find an answer in the wikia.
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* I get that technology stagnated (or diverged) due to the lack of the transistor, but what caused culture to become stagnated and stuck in the 50s? I can't find an answer in the wikia.
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I get that technology stagnated due to the lack of the transistor but what caused culture to become stagnated and stuck in the 50s? I can't find an answer in the wikia.
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I get that technology stagnated due to the lack of the transistor but what caused culture to become stagnated and stuck in the 50s? I can't find an answer in the wikia.
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** Character SPECIAL stats are just GameplayAndStorySegregation for the purpose of calculating damages and the like. In ''New Vegas'' Caesar has an Intelligence score of 4 despite being obviously very smart.
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** Well so far we've seen five in the canon games, seven if you count the canceled VideoGame/FalloutVanBuren. There was the PIP-boy 1.0, a massive and stupidly impractical wrist mounted device. In ''1'' and ''2'' there was the PIP-Boy 2000 (tablet-style) and the 2000+ (wrist mounted version). In ''3'' and ''New Vegas'' there were the wrist mounted PIP-Boy 3000. ''4'' had the upgraded 3000 MK IV. In ''Van Buren'' the [[PlayerCharacter the Prisoner]] had the Lil' PIP 3000 (sorta like a scaled down model) and [[BigBad Victor Presper]] had the Super PIP-Boy, a super high end model with features no other ones have.
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** (Original Troper) Ok, so there is an explanation given (where exactly? In game or AllInTheManual ?), it's just not a very good one "Okay guys, for our spaceship design, lets not place speakers that send frequencies that drive you insane, lets not pack it with twice the number of people its supposed to carry and hand out guns. Our research shows this is bad." Plus, some of these are implied (or explicitly mentioned in the logs) to have required the help of certain people living IN these vaults, who must have been a few really loyal company men. Especially in case of vault 101, which required consecutive generations of Overseers to cooperate. But it's the Fallout universe, heartless and stupid acts by authority figures are what got them into the post-apocalyptic mess.
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** (Original Troper) Ok, so there is an explanation given (where exactly? In game or AllInTheManual AllThereInTheManual ?), it's just not a very good one "Okay guys, for our spaceship design, lets not place speakers that send frequencies that drive you insane, lets not pack it with twice the number of people its supposed to carry and hand out guns. Our research shows this is bad." Plus, some of these are implied (or explicitly mentioned in the logs) to have required the help of certain people living IN these vaults, who must have been a few really loyal company men. Especially in case of vault 101, which required consecutive generations of Overseers to cooperate. But it's the Fallout universe, heartless and stupid acts by authority figures are what got them into the post-apocalyptic mess.
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*It is kind of explained that Vault Tec had produced several versions of the Pip-Boy and never bothered to distribute them properly, sometimes supplying newer, sometimes older versions, presumably just for the lulz, in quantities that are apparenly enough for many generations of vault inhabitants. Obviously the development of Pip-Boys stopped after the war, but just how many versions have they made that newer and newer ones keep popping up in every game?
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* to be fair, given what we've seen of the puppy-kicking actions of the pre-war government/ their survivors, its just as likely they Dropped the first bomb/launched the first missile themselves. for all we know, the Red Chinese could have been the war's "good guys". if anything, it'd be hard to be worse then the enclave >.<
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** Basically this. Sure, all in-game evidence compiled over several games' worth of information points to the Chinese firing first, but it honestly doesn't matter because the nuclear war resulted in a PostApocalypse where ''everyone'' suffers as a result of the Chinese and American actions.
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*is him having a INT of 10 just gameplay and story segregation, or was there something i missed/ forgot that explained his enhanced intelligence. from memory he was dumb muscle as a human SS agent who was mainly kept on due to being loyal but barely smart enough to do his job, and the neurological damage from the FEV infection impaired his mental faculties even worse... i mean, given the Enclave scientists/doctors are implied ot have spent years cutting him up on the table i have no problem beleiveing that most of his brain could be cybernetics by now or something, just...
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*is him having a INT of 10 just gameplay and story segregation, or was there something i missed/ forgot that explained his enhanced intelligence. from memory he was dumb muscle as a human SS agent who was mainly kept on due to being loyal but barely smart enough to do his job, and the neurological damage from the FEV infection impaired his mental faculties even worse... i mean, given the Enclave scientists/doctors are implied ot have spent years cutting him up on the table i have no problem beleiveing that most of his brain could be cybernetics by now or something, just...
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** bad example. canonically, in the machine war the humans struck first, second, third,fourth,fifth and sixth AND destroyed the biosphere themselves when they were loosing a war they started.
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** on the side, this may or may nto be cannon, given that Skynet admitted its info wasnt completely reliable, and may have been outright messing with the chosen one
*to be fair, given what we've seen of the puppy-kicking actions of the pre-war government/ their survivors, its just as likely they Dropped the first bomb/launched the first missile themselves. for all we know, the Red Chinese could have been the war's "good guys". if anything, it'd be hard to be worse then the enclave >.<
*to be fair, given what we've seen of the puppy-kicking actions of the pre-war government/ their survivors, its just as likely they Dropped the first bomb/launched the first missile themselves. for all we know, the Red Chinese could have been the war's "good guys". if anything, it'd be hard to be worse then the enclave >.<
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** Most likely either dragged into the European Civil War, the Great War, or both. With the result of everything getting nuked to all hell.
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** Unless you go with the explanation that the powder in the .32 round is slow burning, resulting in more propulsive force being generated when it's fired from the rifle because the burning powder has more time to propel the round, whereas the revolver is spitting the round out along with unburnt powder.
