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** One or more of: 1) Rendering them encapable of engaging would not stop them from physically blocking the portal, and attacking would break the Flower Power. 2) A master-class Thinkamancer could counter/reverse the effect. 3) Janis didn't have enough juice to pacify all of them. 4) The thinkamancers have ways of incapacitating Parson that don't count as engagement (putting him in thoughtspace, for example). 5) Parson simply didn't think of it between when Janis stacked with him and when Marie told him to wait for Fate's aid.
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** You're probably right about Wanda needing to be in the same zone, but it's explicitly stated that you can attack or cast off-turn if the person whose turn it is attacks first.
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** You're probably right about Wanda needing to be in the same zone, but it's explicitly stated that you can attack or cast off-turn if the person whose turn it is attacks first.
* The problem with this strategy is that it leaves you with no way to really fight back. Gobwin Knob has minimal ranged attackers, only the Archons and some dwagons can hit outside the airspace and Jetstone is repeatedly stated to have more than enough firepower to kill them all twice over, enough that Foolamancy would only delay the inevitable. Jack's strategy was pretty similar; turtle up as hard as you can, hit back if you can. There are two things of significance here. First, Jack specifically states Wanda must be "quick enough to catch us as we fall." so her Decrypting outside the airspace is impossible. Second, as Jack notes when they have new orders, that plan gives them no way to counter attack until their turn, making winning the battle impossible as they will have lost too many by then to take the garrison. The end result would likely be as Jack predicted, their force would have taken a beating but a few of them might have survived to limp home.
* The problem with this strategy is that it leaves you with no way to really fight back. Gobwin Knob has minimal ranged attackers, only the Archons and some dwagons can hit outside the airspace and Jetstone is repeatedly stated to have more than enough firepower to kill them all twice over, enough that Foolamancy would only delay the inevitable. Jack's strategy was pretty similar; turtle up as hard as you can, hit back if you can. There are two things of significance here. First, Jack specifically states Wanda must be "quick enough to catch us as we fall." so her Decrypting outside the airspace is impossible. Second, as Jack notes when they have new orders, that plan gives them no way to counter attack until their turn, making winning the battle impossible as they will have lost too many by then to take the garrison. The end result would likely be as Jack predicted, their force would have taken a beating but a few of them might have survived to limp home.
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*** Also Betsy considers what she's doing to be helping Jillian, curing her of the disease of bloodlust. Duty probably never even came into it.
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* Okay, so Parson needs to get through the portal to Spacerock but can't because there is a pack of thinkamancers in the way, and they can really mess him up if he tries. But with him is a master hippiemancer who could easily render them incapable of attacking (and does so later to stop a brawl). If wouldn't even be against her non-violence ideals as she does the same thing to Jojo earlier with no hesitation. So why was this a problem.
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* Okay, so Parson needs to get through the portal to Spacerock but can't because there is a pack of thinkamancers in the way, and they can really mess him up if he tries. But with him is a master hippiemancer who could easily render them incapable of attacking (and does so later to stop a brawl). If wouldn't even be against her non-violence ideals as she does the same thing to Jojo earlier with no hesitation. So why was this a problem.
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** Well, actually, Haffaton is ''far past the limit'', and is cheating the rules with massive amounts of magic and by having basically no army. Gobwin Knob notes that ten-twenty cities is when you start having upkeep problems; Haffaton had over seventy.
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**Peace Through Superior Firepower makes clear that a side can only grow so large before the cities start producing fewer Schmuckers and upkeep becomes too unwieldy. Haffaton is almost against this limit; Jillian notes that most large sides split into two sides.
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** Units can do stupid things that they think will benefit their side as a whole, including disobeying direct orders if need be (see when Jillian nearly got disbanded for ''insisting'' on trying to kill Olive, before eventually standing down). Betsy thought that having a warlord inherit the throne of a pacifist would destroy everything he stood for, and resolved to rectify that mistake.
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* How was Betsy able to get away with MindRaping Jillian and attempting to destroy her ability to function as a Warlord? Shouldn't her natural Loyalty have prevented her from doing that, or at least caused her to disband for treason?
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* How was Betsy able to get away with MindRaping [[MindRape Mind Raping]] Jillian and attempting to destroy her ability to function as a Warlord? Shouldn't her natural Loyalty have prevented her from doing that, or at least caused her to disband for treason?
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* How was Betsy able to get away with MindRaping Jillian and attempting to destroy her ability to function as a Warlord? Shouldn't her natural Loyalty have prevented her from doing that, or at least caused her to disband for treason?treason?
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* How was Betsy able to get away with MindRaping Jillian and attempting to destroy her ability to function as a Warlord? Shouldn't her natural Loyalty have prevented her from doing that, or at least caused her to disband for treason?
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** In all likelihood, it's simply not possible. Rulers are supposed to stay behind and think through strategies for the Side itself, not decide tactics for individual battles--and definitely not ''fight'' individual battles. Though this might be one of Erfworld's "It's possible but it never even occurs to anyone, so they don't bother trying" things.
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* Why does Jillian appoint Duncan Scone as her Chief Warlord? She's at least three levels higher than he is, which if I've done the math right works out to her ''side-wide'' bonus being one greater, and her stack and hex bonuses are even more superior. Since she's leading from the front anyway, wouldn't it be substantially to her advantage to appoint ''herself'' Chief Warlord?
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* Why does Jillian appoint Duncan Scone as her Chief Warlord? She's at least three levels higher than he is, which if I've done the math right works out to her ''side-wide'' bonus being one greater, and her stack and hex bonuses are even more superior. Since she's leading from the front anyway, wouldn't it be substantially to her advantage to appoint ''herself'' Chief Warlord?
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** You're probably right about Wanda needing to be in the same zone, but it's explicitly stated that you can attack or cast off-turn if the person whose turn it is attacks first.
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** Calling it "a boatload of responsibility" is a bit of an understatement. He's a pacifist who now has no choice but to kill. And as for Parson, remember that he's a wargamer with minimal social skills. Sure, he's not a HollywoodNerd who stammers through every sentence, but when he's in a dangerous situation, his first thought is purely tactical. When Sizemore asked for permission to leave, Parson wasn't thinking "My pacifist friend is having a lot of difficulty with all the killing and chaos, I should let him down easy," he was thinking "One of my greatest assets, one of the first targets for my many enemies, wants to leave. I should tell him no."
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Okay, so Sizemore hates Parson because he forced him to kill people, and basically ruined his life. But isn't Parson going through the exact same thing? He never wanted to kill people, and he's been forcibly ripped from his home world. Why doesn't he point this out? He could at least ''attempt'' to relate to Sizemore. It's as if Parson doesn't actually mind his situation, which would be OOC as hell.\\
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**First off, Sizemore already knows all that. He is just irrational because before Parson arrived and started utilizing his talents, he had the time of his life. Sure, Stanley had him on "latrine duty" from time to time, but he wasn't taken to battles or had to actually put any real effort into his work, which allowed him to spend extended periods of time in the Magical Kingdom, to study magic and to help around the place. He even noted that he has been doing so many small flavors to everyone in the MK that he was a bit of a celebrity, and it all came crashing down with Parson, especially after Spacerock. He is practically a teenager whose carefree lifestyle was suddenly broken by a boatload of responsibility and fighting, and he is being irrational about it. Parson probably wouldn't be able to patch things up with him just yet even if he tried.
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Okay, so Sizemore hates Parson because he forced him to kill people, and basically ruined his life. But isn't Parson going through the exact same thing? He never wanted to kill people, and he's been forcibly ripped from his home world. Why doesn't he point this out? He could at least ''attempt'' to relate to Sizemore. It's as if Parson doesn't actually mind his situation, which would be OOC as hell.\\
And it's not as if it has no tactical application. As long as Sizemore feels this way, there's a major risk of him turning to the first side that can get him off the battlefield, which could very well be ''Charlescomm''. Parson has very good reasons to try and patch things up with him, and emotional "ammunition" to do so. But he doesn't. Why?
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Okay, so Sizemore hates Parson because he forced him to kill people, and basically ruined his life. But isn't Parson going through the exact same thing? He never wanted to kill people, and he's been forcibly ripped from his home world. Why doesn't he point this out? He could at least ''attempt'' to relate to Sizemore. It's as if Parson doesn't actually mind his situation, which would be OOC as hell.\\
And it's not as if it has no tactical application. As long as Sizemore feels this way, there's a major risk of him turning to the first side that can get him off the battlefield, which could very well be ''Charlescomm''. Parson has very good reasons to try and patch things up with him, and emotional "ammunition" to do so. But he doesn't. Why?
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*** Never mind, that's Count Downer, not Duke Adam Antium. [[http://www.erfworld.com/page/9/ Seen here on the right, last panel.]]
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*** It can be assumed that everyone popped by someone is considered family to some degree. If a warlord is the one who orders units to be popped, then they are part of his family. Maybe not his immediate family, but that they come from his line. Remember Stanley is a member of the Plaid family, but his King was a Royal OF THE PLAID family. I suspect it's stats that determine if a person is Royal or not. It can even be possible that the higher the stats one is born with, the higher their "education" level and like in the real world, higher "education" means higher rank. There are units that are popped that have a very faint idea what sex is or how they are supposed to use the weapon they popped. Perhaps it's the average of a unit's starting stats that determine his rank.
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** Stanley was of the Plaid ''tribe'', not family. Of course, by some definitions a tribe is just a really big family, but the point is that he was never accused of patricide, only regicide.
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** Where is he shown to be in the Magic Kingdom?
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*** Stanley became Overlord when the king was assassinated. Whether Stanley did it or someone else instigated the rebellion, we don't know, but if Stanley promotes someone, he makes himself wide open for assassination. He no longer trusts Wanda and, Titans know, she would kill him if she thought Parson could use the hammer. He's probably trying to keep the status quo to could his life in less peril. Besides, he has all the time in Erfworld. He doesn't have to make a snap decision to promote anyone. He could spend the money promoting someone and that person could easily be killed, turned against him, or he could decide that person was the wrong choice. Why risk any of those things for a measly leadership bonus when his side is already crushing sides left and right? In short, Stanley has every reason not to promote anyone.
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** One more thing to add. Don't mix up artifacts with magic items. They bot use magic of course, but magic items are created by casters, link-ups of casters. Artifacts just pop. Arkentools may be considered artifacts, but they are said to have been used to make Erfworld and new Arkentools NEVER pop (it is unknown if they can be destroyed). Magic items and maybe artifacts can be destroyed, however. Parson tossed his sword into lava (the sword could be an artifact since the handle popped in a meal, but Bogroll fabricated the sword itself.) Fabrication is used to make non-magic items, so the sword's nature debatable. The wiki said it is magic, however. Lastly, new gems can be found in a place previously suspected to be mined out as Rockwell found out. All you have to is erupt a volcano to bring the pockets to the surface (just make sure you can escape first...)
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** One more thing to add. Don't mix up artifacts with magic items. They bot both use magic of course, but magic items are created by casters, link-ups of casters. Artifacts just pop. Arkentools may be considered artifacts, but they are said to have been used to make Erfworld and new Arkentools NEVER pop (it is unknown if they can be destroyed). Magic items and maybe artifacts can be destroyed, however. Parson tossed his sword into lava (the sword could be an artifact since the handle popped in a meal, but Bogroll fabricated the sword itself.) Fabrication is used to make non-magic items, so the sword's nature debatable. The wiki said it is magic, however. Lastly, new gems can be found in a place previously suspected to be mined out as Rockwell found out. All you have to is erupt a volcano to bring the pockets to the surface (just make sure you can escape first...)
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*** Burning a city to the ground supposedly wouldn't destroy the money of the side. Gems can be turned into money and vice versa, so supposedly, destroying the side without taking the shmuckers would cause all the shmuckers to be transformed into gems and buried under the rubble of the cities. In theory.
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*** It can be assumed that everyone popped by someone is considered family to some degree. If a warlord is the one who orders units to be popped, then they are part of his family. Maybe not his immediate family, but that they come from his line. Remember Stanley is a member of the Plaid family, but his King was a Royal OF THE PLAID family. I suspect it's stats that determine if a person is Royal or not. It can even be possible that the higher the stats one is born with, the higher their "education" level and like in the real world, higher "education" means higher rank. There are units that are popped that have a very faint idea what sex is or how they are supposed to use the weapon they popped. Perhaps it's the average of a unit's starting stats that determine his rank.
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* Okay, I can see that transporting corpses is one thing and may be a natural way to circumvent the "no non-spellcasters" rule given that corpses are probably considered "objects", but how did Adam Antium get through the portal? He was decrypted and a non-spellcaster, but he's clearly seen on the other side of the portal. How did he not disband? Being decrypted would not have changed his status as a warlord.
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** Yes, but remember, his life hasn't be in danger for a long, long time. He can't go into battle. However, it could be that he can't see the name if the person who it belongs to doesn't remember it. Like he couldn't see Jack's name when he was insane. However, he made an effort to remember Jack's name after he saved his life. Then he couldn't remember Zhopa's name to save his life even though he was TRYING to remember it. He thinks his name is [[VideoGame/{{Starcraft}} Zergling]] at one point. It's all speculation, but it seems you do have to remember the name to see the name. That or the name attached to the stats is the name you think he or she has.
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*** Besides, past debts come into play here. Stanley never did anything to help the Royal sides and he outright attacked them after (supposedly) killing his own king. Don King is just that, a king who probably been working with the Royal sides for thousands of turns. Hell, he or Stately may have had a fling the queen of Unaroyal, but either way, he and Stately or best friends and, damn it, who would let a small disagreement tear that relationship apart ESPECIALLY after his own royal son tried to murder him. Hey, at least he had an excuse to be leery of his own side's royalty and never took that distrust out on the royals of other sides. Plus, the majority of their warlords were still royalty unlike Stanley who promoted common infantry whose signamancy made them like they would be good leaders.
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** Stanley is paranoid, self-absorbed, unimaginative, and only at the end of the Battle of Spacerock did he realize that yes, he actually does like Parson. Parson's the only real option for an heir, since Wanda is ''already'' the keystone of their army, making her the heir would be even worse (can casters even be heirs?). Plus, Stanley would probably think popping an heir would be too "Royal."
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** Also remember that units can't cross an enemy zone when it's not their turn. Sure, they had the dwagons, but minimal archers (if they even had any), and it's not clear if you're able to use ranged attacks on a different zone when it's not your turn (you can't use ranged attacks to attack another hex when it's not your turn, and city zones function much the same way as hexes in most respects). The yellows were only able to hit the atrium by using their battlecrap to exploit the fall physics (you can't ''move'' between zones, but you can ''fall''), but the archons' magic and the other dwagons' breath weapons likely wouldn't have "fallen" at all. Finally, Wanda almost certainly has to be in same zone to decrypt; it's been shown to be relatively short-ranged. So she couldn't just stay flying and decrypt everything on the ground, since it's a different zone.
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** There are multiple strategies and tactics that can be used for any given situation. Given the circumstances, you can use the "food fight" exploit to do any number of things. One of my favorite would be have the dwagons fall on top of the walls and engage the archers who are less equipped to deal with hand to hand combat and that could have worked just as well. The point is that Parson wanted to take the city from the bottom up and get to the portal room first so he can be brought in to give the infantry his bonus. His strategy depended on that small detail and your tactics have to work towards fulfilling your strategic goal in the most effective manner. If Maggie had let Stanley pick someone already on the field to be chief warlord, then the strategic goal and therefore the strategy would be different. Sylvia's tactics, for example, would always have included fire tactics. Jack's plan would've involved large amounts of trickery. Wanda's plan would be vicious fighting and an attempt to decrypt high amounts of units as quickly as possible. It just so happens that Parson was in charge and he wanted to be in the battle personally. If he wasn't, his plan would've probably have had a higher focus on the archers. Killing the archers, destroying the atrium ceiling, and using the decrypted archers on the remaining soldiers would've be a variable plan as well if it didn't conflict with the strategic goal of getting Parson in there. Remember, Parson had no "plan". His plan was to get in there and then... there was nothing beyond that. He just made the rest up as he went along and he was thrown through a loop when Sylvia set the tower a lit.
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* Why did Parson use that nutsy "food-fight"/portal-jumping strategy? It seems to me that a much better maneuver would be as follows: Park Wanda, Jack, their mounts, all the Decrypted Archons, and the toughest dwagons into one max-stack right on top of the walls. Park the yellows, reds, and greens in a second max-stack with Ossomer somewhere else on the walls. Use the remaining dwagons to shield against the tower spells. When Jetstone attacks, the Gobwin Knob forces can counterstrike. With Wanda's bonus to the Decrypted Archons (or at least the ones with Shockamancy) and Ossomer's bonus to the dwagons, they'll be making a lot of kills, and every one of those kills will be getting up and fighting for them. Plus, when the dwagons do croak, Wanda can decrypt them, effectively making them twice as tough. With Jack and a number of Foolamancer Archons in the stack, the tower spells and the archers will have a very low chance of hitting Wanda. The dwagons and Archons would get cut to ribbons, but there's a very good chance of wiping out most or all of Jetstone's infantry and ending up with command of the walls and a near-undefended Atrium. Then on their turn Wanda lands and storms the tower, with the Decrypted heavily buffed by her Croakamancy. Why wouldn't this have worked? Is there something I'm missing?
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* Why did Parson use that nutsy "food-fight"/portal-jumping strategy? It seems to me that a much better maneuver would be as follows: Park Wanda, Jack, their mounts, all the Decrypted Archons, and the toughest dwagons into one max-stack right on top of the walls. Park the yellows, reds, and greens in a second max-stack with Ossomer somewhere else on the walls. Use the remaining dwagons to shield against the tower spells. When Jetstone attacks, the Gobwin Knob forces can counterstrike. With Wanda's bonus to the Decrypted Archons (or at least the ones with Shockamancy) and Ossomer's bonus to the dwagons, they'll be making a lot of kills, and every one of those kills will be getting up and fighting for them. Plus, when the dwagons do croak, Wanda can decrypt them, effectively making them twice as tough. With Jack and a number of Foolamancer Archons in the stack, the tower spells and the archers will have a very low chance of hitting Wanda. The dwagons and Archons would get cut to ribbons, but there's a very good chance of wiping out most or all of Jetstone's infantry and ending up with command of the walls and a near-undefended Atrium. Then on their turn Wanda lands and storms the tower, with the Decrypted heavily buffed by her Croakamancy. Why wouldn't this have worked? Is there something I'm missing?missing?
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* Why did Parson use that nutsy "food-fight"/portal-jumping strategy? It seems to me that a much better maneuver would be as follows: Park Wanda, Jack, their mounts, all the Decrypted Archons, and the toughest dwagons into one max-stack right on top of the walls. Park the yellows, reds, and greens in a second max-stack with Ossomer somewhere else on the walls. Use the remaining dwagons to shield against the tower spells. When Jetstone attacks, the Gobwin Knob forces can counterstrike. With Wanda's bonus to the Decrypted Archons (or at least the ones with Shockamancy) and Ossomer's bonus to the dwagons, they'll be making a lot of kills, and every one of those kills will be getting up and fighting for them. Plus, when the dwagons do croak, Wanda can decrypt them, effectively making them twice as tough. With Jack and a number of Foolamancer Archons in the stack, the tower spells and the archers will have a very low chance of hitting Wanda. The dwagons and Archons would get cut to ribbons, but there's a very good chance of wiping out most or all of Jetstone's infantry and ending up with command of the walls and a near-undefended Atrium. Then on their turn Wanda lands and storms the tower, with the Decrypted heavily buffed by her Croakamancy. Why wouldn't this have worked? Is there something I'm missing?
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* Why didn't Stanley appoint an heir between Books 1 and 2? Gobwin Knob has way more than enough Schmuckers, so there's nothing stopping him promoting Ansom or Wanda or Parson, or if he didn't like any of these guys he could just start popping an Heir at Gobwin Knob. It would immeasurably benefit Gobwin Knob by removing their single failure point, which would in turn free Stanley to go conquer some cities or lead an army, thus benefiting him personally as well.
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* Why didn't Stanley appoint an heir between Books 1 and 2? Gobwin Knob has way more than enough Schmuckers, so there's nothing stopping him promoting Ansom or Wanda or Parson, or if he didn't like any of these guys he could just start popping an Heir at Gobwin Knob. It would immeasurably benefit Gobwin Knob by removing their single failure point, which would in turn free Stanley to go conquer some cities or lead an army, thus benefiting him personally as well.
