History Headscratchers / DragonAgeOrigins

7th Dec '16 6:57:32 PM Mesmiranda
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** Even weirder: Merrill gets tons of crap from Anders and Fenris about blood magic use in ''Dragon Age 2'', but nobody ever comments on Hawke's use of the same. The whole thing really has no explanation besides [[GameplayAndStorySegregation Gameplay and Story Segregation]]. (They quietly removed blood magic from the mage ability roster in ''Inquisition'', and Hawke--who knows Merrill and could potentially be a blood mage--is very anti-blood magic.)
17th Nov '16 6:49:57 PM Mesmiranda
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*** Alistair throws a tantrum? Alistair was an isolated kid who didn't feel like he belonged anywhere until he joined up with the Grey Wardens, who he saw as like his family--he explicitly says Duncan was like a father to him. Not only did you, the Warden, spare the guy who was directly responsible for their deaths (all arguments as to why Loghain retreated at Ostagar aside), you make that guy a Warden himself. Yes, it would've been more practical if Alistair had sat on his feelings until after the Blight ended, but you really can't blame the guy for reacting the way he did. (And I don't buy Wynne and Leliana having no reaction, even if only for their status as the Lawful/Neutral good members of the party. Hell, if you can order the execution of a party member and friend, shouldn't some of your companions be feeling a bit ''threatened''?)
17th Nov '16 6:38:58 PM Mesmiranda
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*** This is a nitpick long, long, long after the fact, but I never understood ''why'' Fereldan was supposed to be better off with Alistair as king, even hardened. He's a lovely, kind-hearted, brave, good man, but he knows literally nothing about ruling. Zilch, nada, zip. He was with Arl Eamon until he was about eight, hanging around with the dogs and so forth, and then he went to a monastery for roughly twelve years, and then he was a Grey Warden for a year or so. None of this involves learning about economics or trade or diplomacy or anything related to statecraft. Anora actually has that experience under her belt as Loghain's daughter and Cailan's queen. The only thing Alistair brings to the table is his bloodline, and with the Taint and Anora's lack of kids (or fem!Cousland's condition) that's pretty thin gruel. It feels like Bioware spent about five-sixths of the game deconstructing the whole notion of a 'hidden backup prince'--you get a confused, resentful young man isolated from everyone he cares about and looking for a purpose in life, instead of a perfectly formed royal--and then turned around and played it completely straight.
17th Nov '16 5:54:59 PM Mesmiranda
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*** The Mage Warden can also address Cullen by name, implying they've chatted before. Like Enchanter Ellendra says in ''Inquisition'' (paraphrasing): "As if you could put healthy men and women together in a crowded tower for years without anyone getting any ideas!" It's still definitely a crush, but probably the rule about 'no talking, no eye contact, no sudden movements' for Templars is a bit more relaxed in practice than in theory.
10th Jul '16 10:29:07 AM nombretomado
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** It's not like BioWare has made [[Franchise/MassEffect deep, extensive RPGs with full PC voice-over]], [[SarcasmMode of course]].

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** It's not like BioWare Creator/BioWare has made [[Franchise/MassEffect deep, extensive RPGs with full PC voice-over]], [[SarcasmMode of course]].



** An excellent point--still, wouldn't it make more sense to give Alistair the Grey Wardens (or ultimately you, if you're romancing him)? The Fade (well, Sloth Demon) doesn't get Morrigan's right, but for everyone else he presents a situation that they stay in, even if it's not particularly happy (Wynne and Zev's, for instance). BioWare wanted to make it so each Origin story gives you motivation for acting/feeling a particular way--but then the Fade goes ahead and assumes you want to be at Weisshaupt? I'm not so much questioning the Sloth Demon for doing this as BioWare, as the OP was. It also seems strange to me you can't question them on what you saw.

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** An excellent point--still, wouldn't it make more sense to give Alistair the Grey Wardens (or ultimately you, if you're romancing him)? The Fade (well, Sloth Demon) doesn't get Morrigan's right, but for everyone else he presents a situation that they stay in, even if it's not particularly happy (Wynne and Zev's, for instance). BioWare [=BioWare=] wanted to make it so each Origin story gives you motivation for acting/feeling a particular way--but then the Fade goes ahead and assumes you want to be at Weisshaupt? I'm not so much questioning the Sloth Demon for doing this as BioWare, [=BioWare=], as the OP was. It also seems strange to me you can't question them on what you saw.



** Well... you can surmise Eamon wants Alistair on the throne to be his puppet, as Alistair makes it clear he hates ruling, wouldn't be good at it, and would listen to whatever Eamon said. BioWare planned ahead with the story, so if we find this to be the case, I'm not surprised--we had hints. And, in any case, Eamon had many good points when it came to setting aside Anora. On a different, titillating note, I imagine fem!Cousland would have been the number one choice for a replacement.

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** Well... you can surmise Eamon wants Alistair on the throne to be his puppet, as Alistair makes it clear he hates ruling, wouldn't be good at it, and would listen to whatever Eamon said. BioWare [=BioWare=] planned ahead with the story, so if we find this to be the case, I'm not surprised--we had hints. And, in any case, Eamon had many good points when it came to setting aside Anora. On a different, titillating note, I imagine fem!Cousland would have been the number one choice for a replacement.



** ''You're'' the Warden. It's pretty clear in-game that you don't ''have'' to give two shits about what the brass say; you're the chief Warden of Ferelden and commander of the precisely two Wardens in the kingdom. And in-game, if you plopped the crown on your head and said "I am the King of Orzammar by the decree of the Paragon Branka," among others, Lord Harrowmont would back you to the hilt (remember, he will die to support Bhelen's throne). ''Especially'' if you were a Dwarf Noble, but even if you were a casteless ''commoner''. You'd have to beat Bhelen's circus into obedience, but that's fine. Personally, I think BioWare just didn't think of it.

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** ''You're'' the Warden. It's pretty clear in-game that you don't ''have'' to give two shits about what the brass say; you're the chief Warden of Ferelden and commander of the precisely two Wardens in the kingdom. And in-game, if you plopped the crown on your head and said "I am the King of Orzammar by the decree of the Paragon Branka," among others, Lord Harrowmont would back you to the hilt (remember, he will die to support Bhelen's throne). ''Especially'' if you were a Dwarf Noble, but even if you were a casteless ''commoner''. You'd have to beat Bhelen's circus into obedience, but that's fine. Personally, I think BioWare [=BioWare=] just didn't think of it.



** Most likely it's because, like many other minor lore discrepancies in the franchise, BioWare just plain forgot or misremembered it. In-universe, the mostly likely explanation I can think of is that the Howe family was divided into factions, Tarleton and Byron leading different branches of the family. Since they were brothers, it's certainly possible, especially if the elder of the two was illegitimate (thus weakening his claim) or they were twins or something.

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** Most likely it's because, like many other minor lore discrepancies in the franchise, BioWare [=BioWare=] just plain forgot or misremembered it. In-universe, the mostly likely explanation I can think of is that the Howe family was divided into factions, Tarleton and Byron leading different branches of the family. Since they were brothers, it's certainly possible, especially if the elder of the two was illegitimate (thus weakening his claim) or they were twins or something.
26th Jun '16 6:34:59 AM timemonkey
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** The OP has completely missed the point. The fact that the sloth demon gave the Warden a generic Grey Warden fantasy instead of one that actually suited them is the entire reason you can break free and free everyone else to begin with. Morrigan and Sten are both aware they're stuck in an illusion but can't break free on their own. The sloth demon even mentions he'll do a better job next time when trying to convince you to back down. It's not laziness or a budget restriction, it's a plot point!
25th Jun '16 6:48:51 AM timemonkey
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** The answer is simple, the sloth demon screwed up. It simply didn't to a good enough job constructing fantasies to trap everyone, it's illusions for Morrigan and Sten are half-assed enough for them to realise it's fake if not escape on their own, and the illusion for the player character is completely off the mark (regardless of your origin none of the playable characters ever wanted to be Wardens, even if they accept it) so you resist it completely and escape.
17th Jun '16 7:19:52 AM timemonkey
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** Alistair gets executed for his own choices and everyone in your party realises that. Alistair throws a tantrum and abandons his duties because you made a decision he doesn't like, a decision that's completely in sync with the values of the Wardens he's so upset about. He's been exposed as a royal bastard, been used as a direct threat to the throne and now refuses to fight the Blight because you spared the current ruler's father. Of course he's executed and nobody is surprised. He was only really somewhat close to Wynne as far as the other companions go and she's the one who is the most focussed on duty and doing the right thing at all costs. I'm sure she's a bit saddened he dies but she knows why it happened and can't deny he brought it on himself. Otherwise, Morrigan hates him, Sten, Zevran, Shale and Oghren are indifferent Leliana is friendly with him but is accustomed to such things and Dog is a Dog. Nobody's really going to comment on the situation.
29th Apr '16 4:00:24 PM nombretomado
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* The Tevinter Imperium is portrayed as a very advanced (for Thedas) society, and also a nation that was (until relatively recently) extremely wealthy. So why do the magisters (members of the Imperium's ruling class) all dress like refugees from a ConanTheBarbarian story? You would expect guys described as living in garish opulence even today to not dress like cavemen. (Interestingly, there is one mage robe in the game credited to Tevinter origin that doesn't look like this. It's the Vestments of the Seer from the ''Witch Hunt'' DLC.)

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* The Tevinter Imperium is portrayed as a very advanced (for Thedas) society, and also a nation that was (until relatively recently) extremely wealthy. So why do the magisters (members of the Imperium's ruling class) all dress like refugees from a ConanTheBarbarian ''Franchise/ConanTheBarbarian'' story? You would expect guys described as living in garish opulence even today to not dress like cavemen. (Interestingly, there is one mage robe in the game credited to Tevinter origin that doesn't look like this. It's the Vestments of the Seer from the ''Witch Hunt'' DLC.)
21st Apr '16 1:09:44 PM TrstN01
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[[folder:Assault on Amaranthine]]
During the assault on Amaranthine, the darkspawn manage to sneak in past their defenses after the main attack by using the smuggler's cove. Why wasn't it blocked off/defended? The Warden Commander would know about it if they completed the smuggling quest on either side.
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