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** Another possibility is that all three sisters married men from the Boyle family--a [[DoubleInLawMarriage Triple In-Law Marriage]], if you will. Trevor Pendleton mentions that he once banged two of them on the same night and almost got the third as well, so it's not out of character for them.
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** It should be noted that in ''Videogame/Dishonored2'', the Empire pretty much fractured when Delilah took over, with the two northern islands going to war with Gristol and Serkonos. Each island does pretty much run itself, with the Empress ruling over all four.
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** ''Videogame/Dishonored2'' shows that the process of creating the painting for these rituals is complex and requires a lot more than just basic pigments but very specific ingredients tailored to the painting in question, along with specially-tailored runes and tools. Delilah's painting of Emily almost certainly was tailored to Emily specifically.
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*** The opposite applies. The city is under martial law, and the City Watch have near-absolute authority to do what they want to anyone in the city. If they can arrest the Royal Spymaster and Regent on the spot, then they can certainly slap or kick around an uppity noble without consequence.
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** Also, Overseers have clearly defined areas of operations, and finding one outside of those areas would make people suspicious. Plus, ''Videogame/Dishonored2'' confirms that Overseers can actually sense the powers of the Void on people, and seeing an Overseer who is tainted by the Void would be a massive red flag.
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** Just gonna have to chalk this one up to the developers not wanting to program a separate AI just for that part of the level. In Dunwall's elitist society, there is absolutely no way a guard would think even for a moment that he could get away with physically assaulting a nobleman. Realistically, you'd probably be perfectly justified in killing him on the spot.
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** I'd say that being a bastard does have an effect, given what happened with Delilah, but historically there has been the option in some societies to legitimise one's bastards thus making them your legal heirs. Jesamine's father did not do that with Delilah, clearly Jessamine did do that with Emily. So everyone knows someone (Corvo or otherwise) knocked the empress up out of wedlock but the Empress has legitimised the resulting child so legally there's no difference. Socially there might be but, since Jessamine had no other kids and doesn't appear likely to, nobody makes too much of a fuss. An awkward heir is better than none. Oh, and to correct an idea further up Jessamine is not Empress due to marrying an Emperor, she inherited the position from her father as his only (legitimate) child.
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** I'd say that being a bastard does have an effect, given what happened with Delilah, but historically there has been the option in some societies to legitimise one's bastards thus making them your legal heirs. Jesamine's father did not do that with Delilah, clearly Jessamine did do that with Emily. So everyone knows someone (Corvo or otherwise) knocked the empress Empress up out of wedlock but the Empress has legitimised the resulting child so legally there's no difference. Socially there might be but, since Jessamine had no other kids and doesn't appear likely to, nobody makes too much of a fuss. An awkward heir is better than none. Oh, and to correct an idea further up Jessamine is not Empress due to marrying an Emperor, she inherited the position from her father as his only (legitimate) (acknowledged) child.
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** I'd say that being a bastard does have an effect, given what happened with Delilah, but historically there has been the option in some societies to legitimise one's bastards thus making them your legal heirs. Jesamine's father did not do that with Delilah, clearly Jessamine did do that with Emily. So everyone knows someone (Corvo or otherwise) knocked the empress up out of wedlock but the Empress has legitimised the resulting child so legally there's no difference. Socially there might be but, since Jessamine had no other kids and doesn't appear likely to, nobody makes too much of a fuss. An awkward heir is better than none. Oh, and to correct an idea further up Jessamine is not Empress due to marrying an Emperor, she inherited the position from her father as his only (legitimate) child.
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** Or it's possible that Dunwall doesn't have a patrilineal focus like we (YYMV, unfortunately) do IRL? There's no way to deny that Jessamine carried and gave birth to Emily, so there's no way to deny that she's a Kaldwin (Corvo even says so at the beginning of 2 when Delilah shows up), and therefore next in line. Does the identity of her father even really ''matter?''
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** The only info we have besides the painting is the journal entry in her lair about how she was part of an expedition to Pandyssia, which is where she learned her rituals, plus the fact that she's the last of the Moray family. So 60-70 sounds about right (since organized expeditions are a recent thing), but it's impossible to know for sure. For all we know, she really is a thousand years old, but when she met Sokolov she used a ritual to dial her age back to her youth so he could paint her. Unlikely, but it's a possibility.
** Huh? Billie says that she was rumored to be a hundred years old, not a thousand.
** Mistake on my part, so about hundred years should be it.
** Huh? Billie says that she was rumored to be a hundred years old, not a thousand.
** Mistake on my part, so about hundred years should be it.
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** The only info we have besides the painting is the journal entry in her lair about how she was part of an expedition to Pandyssia, which is where she learned her rituals, plus the fact that she's the last of the Moray family. So 60-70 sounds about right (since organized expeditions are a recent thing), but it's impossible to know for sure. For all we know, she really is a thousand hundred years old, but when she met Sokolov she used a ritual to dial her age back to her youth so he could paint her. Unlikely, but it's a possibility.
** Huh? Billie says that she was rumored to be a hundred years old, not a thousand.
** Mistake on my part, so about hundred years should be it.possibility.
** Huh? Billie says that she was rumored to be a hundred years old, not a thousand.
** Mistake on my part, so about hundred years should be it.
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* What is her real age, in Knife of Dunwall Billie Lurk says that rumors say that she's thousand years old, since it's a rumor it's likely not true. But as we know, she cannot be killed unless her cameo is destroyed, which means that it keeps her alive and extends her life. And since we can find her portrait from younger days done by Sokolov during 'Lady Boyle's Last Party' that means that she's 60-70 years old, much less than what rumors say.
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** FridgeBrilliance: [[Xanatos Gambit If Corvo kills the Weepers, the rats will eat the Weepers, become stronger, and then kill the civilians, creating more Weepers. If you don't kill the Weepers, then the rats and/or the Weepers will kill the civilians, creating more Weepers. If you kill them, but get rid of the body, the rats will just go for the civilians, which, once again, will turn them into Weepers.]]
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** FridgeBrilliance: [[Xanatos Gambit If Corvo kills the Weepers, the rats will eat the Weepers, become stronger, and then kill the civilians, creating more Weepers. If you don't kill the Weepers, then the rats and/or the Weepers will kill the civilians, creating more Weepers. If you kill them, but get rid of the body, the rats will just go for the civilians, which, once again, will turn them into Weepers.]]
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* After playing Knife of Dunwall on High Chaos, a loaded a new game and did the first mission, killing no-one except for the whale to get the Rune so I can get Blink Mk 2. I get to the mission complete screen... and the game tells me I killed someone. Can anyone confirm that the whale is a casualty, so I can go back and not kill it?
** I've gotten zero kills on that mission while killing the whale. The whale does not count as a kill. An unconscious enemy probably took a bad fall or got eaten by rats.
** Nuts, and I finally managed to save Lurk at the end without pissing off the Overseers. Whelp, thanks for the help.
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* After playing Knife of Dunwall on High Chaos, a loaded a new game and did the first mission, killing no-one except for the whale to get the Rune so I can get Blink Mk 2. I get to the mission complete screen... and the game tells me I killed someone. Can anyone confirm that the whale is a casualty, so I can go back and not kill it?
** I've gotten zero kills on that mission while killing the whale. The whale does not count as a kill. An unconscious enemy probably took a bad fall or got eaten by rats.
** Nuts, and I finally managed to save Lurk at the end without pissing off the Overseers. Whelp, thanks for the help.
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** Besides that, the reason for the poison might simply be that Havelock and Co. are cowards, and slipping someone poison and waiting until they collapse to approach them takes less guts than approaching a sleeping assassin who has so far performed superhuman feats of stealth and combat, drawing a pistol on him and firing at close range. Consider also that Havelock eventually poisons his own partners in crime, has a history of a dishonourable discharge from the Navy, and depending on the Chaos level, either offers you the key to Emily's room only to try and stab you when you reach out to grab it, or threatens ''a child'' (who is also the current monarch) to try and get what he wants. You get the picture of a man who's always the first to take the dirty way out.
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** It's hardly "all the way" to the Flooded District. If you check the map (e.g. here: http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/dishonoredvideogame/images/0/0d/Dunwall.png/revision/latest?cb=20130529131522 ), it's the closest district to the Hound Pits Pub that doesn't have City Watch presence, which is supported by the fact that the pub is the first place you emerge when you finally make it out of there. So it would actually be the only nearby place where he could take Corvo without being missed for too long or leaving him at risk of being discovered by the Watch.
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** Regarding ''how'' he poisoned you, the simplest explanation seems to be that his lack of opportunity was simply a plot hole and the celebration was originally meant to be a longer scene (which maybe they rewrote because they wanted a faster pacing). Maybe in actuality he was asked to poison you almost immediately before it happened, somewhere off to the side while Corvo was mingling with the other Loyalists and having various dialogues. This would mean he only found out about the poison as it happened and was put on the spot by the orders, and in that situation, yes, only slipping him half the dose was the only thing he could think of and probably the only option other than refusing and immediately being shot for defying orders. He coudln't warn Corvo in advance because he himself didn't know in advance. This would make sense to me, because can you really imagine a man like Samuel knowing all that time during the mission he was meant to kill Corvo afterward and not act like anything was wrong? Or, for that matter, can you imagine the Loyalists trusting him to keep that poker face? To summarise, here's the most likely scenario in my head: Corvo heads inside after the mission is over but Samuel stays in the boat like he always does instead of mingling. While Corvo is congratulated and distracted and talks to everyone, someone (e.g. Pendelton's manservant) fetches Sam from the boat and brings him to discreetly meet the three conspirators on the side, at which point they hover over him and instruct him to poison Corvo's drink. Havelock then brings Corvo the drink and calls for a toast. (More evidence: the poison is indeed supposed to mimic the effects of intoxication, then it's suspicious as hell if Corvo gets immediately drunk off his ''first'' drink, especially given the risk that he collapses while still with everyone else.) At this point of being poisoned, Corvo's already had a few, so that when he starts feeling woozy after the last drink, he chalks it up to the drink rather than getting suspicious, and just as they planned, he finally heads upstairs to get some rest where he collapses. The whole thing works much better if you assume Corvo and the others have been drinking a while before he's poisoned, giving the conspirators time to take Samuel aside and have him poison the drink.
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** Corvo is definitely Emily's father. The sequel spells that out right away, and apparently Emily publicly acknowledges him as such once she's Empress. It was probably just considered dangerous for Corvo and Jessamine's relationship to be too public.
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** Also, Overseer masks may not be gas masks that filter out the plague, and almost certainly don't have built-in spyglasses. Corvo doesn't just wear a mask to hide his face. (Plus, the mask was made before Corvo ever even got there - Piero was inspired to make it by an Outsider-influenced dream according to one file.)
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* None of the above, however, explains why the Marked are not alarmed at all when Corvo stops time while sneaking up on them. The fact that they can move while everything else around them stands still should immediately tip them off to the presence of another Marked in their immediate proximity. Granted, the Torturer is batshit crazy and may simply not pay attention to such things, but Daud ''must'' notice it and apparently just chooses to ignore the fact.
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**How would YOU respond to a guy invading your personal space, while wearing a creepy, skull-styled mask based on that worn by a wanted serial killer?
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**Overseers wear more than just the mask. Daud can actually wear an Overseer mask on one of his missions, if he pays for it, but wears it with the whole regalia, so even Overseers think he's one of them. I think Corvo doesn't wear the Overseer mask because he'd have to get the rest of the outfit. Even if he did find one, and assuming it fit him, it'd just lead to a security crackdown among the Overseer ranks once people started noticing the strange Overseer lurking around places where people die or disappear.
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* Here's a question: if Corvo is wearing a mask to conceal his identity, then why not steal one of the masks worn by the Overseers (or whatever their name is)? Not only would it conceal his identity, but it would also let him walk around in broad daylight with impunity.
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** It might be you answered your own question. This makes more sense if you view it with an 18th century "honor" system in mind (explained in that wonderful essay linked on the Analysis page). Poisoning someone (a dishonorable, coward's way of dealing with an enemy) is dirty work of the kind you wouldn't want on your hands, as a nobleman. Wallace might have been rejected as a candidate for the same reason - though he's not nobility, through his proximity to aristocracy he's still seen as being of a higher class (also exemplified by the way he talks down to Cecelia and Lydia). From that perspective, "small fry" like Samuel would seem best-suited for the job, especially if you were planning to kill him off afterwards as well.
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** The most notable real world example of a 'fugue feast' or reversal festival is the ancient Roman Saturnalia, which included gift-gifting, drinking, gambling, and overturning of social structures such as even masters servicing their slaves.
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** Both the Loyalist trio that betrays you and Daud seem to consider Corvo unpredictable and difficult to understand ("You're a mystery, and I can't allow that"), which is ironic given that Corvo's motives are extremely straightforward: keep Emily safe and (depending on your Chaos level) get justice for what happened to her and for the murder of the Empress, who he was in love with. But the Loyalists are primarily after personal power, and Daud has become jaded by years of pointless assassination work. And Corvo's SilentProtagonist quietness probably wasn't helping. So it could be argued that they betrayed him partially because they could not understand how his mind worked, since his motives were so different from their own and they could not conceive of someone like him being so powerful and ''not'' abusing it eventually, likely at their expense.
** As for why they chose Samuel to poison him ''and'' take care of the body, the most likely reason is that it would have meant doing their dirty work personally for a change. (While not stated outright in the 'Corvo is not an honorable man' article linked under Analysis, the insights in there strongly suggest this.)
** As for why they chose Samuel to poison him ''and'' take care of the body, the most likely reason is that it would have meant doing their dirty work personally for a change. (While not stated outright in the 'Corvo is not an honorable man' article linked under Analysis, the insights in there strongly suggest this.)
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*** The sick woman in the flooded district is a direct example of this. She is definitely in a late state of the plague, probably just a day or two away from becoming a Weeper. Corvo can find a letter on her bed where her family ''begs'' her to stay at home, that they will care for her and don't care about her sickness. They would probably have to lock her into a room or bind her to a bed or something, but they are aware that the only crime of hers is being sick with something that can't be healed and that she deserves to die in her families presence while being cared for until the end.
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** Plus, Emily is already quite a few years old by the start of the game. Even if her birthfather is an issue, one could assume that that had made waves long before the start of the game and now - with the Empress dead, a tyrant on the throne, lots of disturbing things happening in the empire AND the royal successor missing - people just ''don't care''.
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** His thugs make trouble for Granny Rags. Sure, she speaks only nonsense and probably wouldn't call Corvo's name, but it could be that they got ''something'' from her that made Slackjaw aware of him.
** Chances are that one of the survivors in the second chapter might have seen you or at least that the game assumes that one did. They don't alert since they're not enemies, but since the area is part of Slackjaw's territory, it could be assumed that they mentioned a odd figure in a hood walking and jumping around. And Slackjaw is definitely smarter than most enemies, so he might have been able to deduce that there is a real chance a escapee like Corvo would need a mask to hide from authorities.
** Chances are that one of the survivors in the second chapter might have seen you or at least that the game assumes that one did. They don't alert since they're not enemies, but since the area is part of Slackjaw's territory, it could be assumed that they mentioned a odd figure in a hood walking and jumping around. And Slackjaw is definitely smarter than most enemies, so he might have been able to deduce that there is a real chance a escapee like Corvo would need a mask to hide from authorities.
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** An audio log after getting Sokolov has Havelock pretty much say that he would have been fine ''only'' leading the Navy for Emily (which is probably supposed to reflect Martin and Pendelton as well, since Martin is announced High Overseer around the same time and Pendelton mentions that now he is head of his family in the chapter before). At the end of the log, he begins to question whether a young child as her would actually be ready to be empress anytime soon and if it wouldn't be better to be Lord Regent until then. In Low Chaos, one could at least assume that all three somehow started out honestly believing that they would only take power for a limited time and then let Emily reign (trusting that them helping her would grant them a good position anyway). But that the sudden amount of power as well as the realisation that Corvo will do ''everything'' to make sure that Emily is not used or threatened made them very aware that they were at risk if deciding to do anything that he would disagree with.
