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[[WMG: Why is Celestia so dependent on D4's Earth?]]
So from what we know, most if not all Netherworlds are attached to a Human World, and there is only one known Celestia that connects many Human Worlds and Netherworld. So why is Celestia in so much trouble because ONE human world is being difficult? That Val's Netherworld and Hades is in trouble due to the lack of Fear Energy makes sense, but Celestia would be getting Awe Energy from a lot of places. Only by the human worlds we've seen, we have Marl/Antiphona/La Pucelle world, D1 Earth, Ivoire, Salome/Seedle's human world, Veldime, Haephnes and Drazil, Sapphire/Almaz's world... that's a lot of human worlds! Yet, they keep talking about it's all D4's world's fault. What gives?
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**** It's stated in ''{{Disgaea 4}}'', humans by definition are only at about 30% or so power when in a Netherworld. The exception is one that has conviction to the point of being delusional. ''That's'' why the Defender of Earth is effective; and by placing herself "under" Gordon; Jennifer gets that bonus too. (Gordon's pretty good against normal Demons. He unfortunately ran into the Overlord.)
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* Vyers, Laharl, Adell, Axel, Mao, Champloo: Incubi, then.
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* Zetta: Majin.
* Champloo: Makai Chef.
* Vyers, Laharl, Adell, Axel,Mao, Champloo: Mao: Incubi, then.
* Champloo: Makai Chef.
* Vyers, Laharl, Adell, Axel,
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* Etna, Raspberyl, Hanako, Post-La Pucelle Priere (possibly Pram) : Sucubbi.
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* Etna, Raspberyl, Hanako, Post-La Pucelle Priere (possibly Pram) : Sucubbi.Succubi.
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***** Look at [[http://disgaea.wikia.com/wiki/Winged tier five.]] I highly doubt there is any accuracy in the above as none of those characters resemble this monster class.
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**** Adell: It probably doesn't matter if he ''had'' incubus blood, he turned the switch off a long time ago and it's not going to come back on because it has probably atrophied from lack of use. [[{Jossed} Busted.]]
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**** Adell: It probably doesn't matter if he ''had'' incubus blood, he turned the switch off a long time ago and it's not going to come back on because it has probably atrophied from lack of use. [[{Jossed} [[{{Jossed}} Busted.]]
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*** [[AllThereInTheManual According to the in-game description,]] no one know what a Succubus looks like because [[YourMindMakesItReal their physical forms are tied to what is deemed as most attractive.]] That being said, let's score our incubi candidates:
**** Vyers: [[spoiler:managed to score with a human witch, fathered a son with said witch]], and looks handsome to boot. '''[[MemeticMutation Myth confirmed, dood.]]'''
**** Laharl: [[spoiler: son of above]], which would have automatically qualified him if not for having [[spoiler:numbed his heart to love due to the grief of losing his mother]].
**** Adell: It probably doesn't matter if he ''had'' incubus blood, he turned the switch off a long time ago and it's not going to come back on because it has probably atrophied from lack of use. [[{Jossed} Busted.]]
**** Axel: Evidence is circumstantial, but considering his charm and that [[spoiler: his IdiotBall behaviour might be intentional]], this is pretty plausible. Not to mention to lightning bolt brows ''can't'' be natural in anyway. Axel being an incubus may also explain his director's [[IfYouKnowWhatIMean passion for his work]].
**** Mao: He has hardly any idea how love works, much less ''what it is''. [[spoiler: As a matter of fact, his passion [[ForScience for the scientific method]] and his ability to ''extrude malice into a physical form'']] means that [[InvertedTrope this myth is waaaaay busted.]]
**** Champloo: If anything, food ''is'' a good way to generate emotions...
**** Vyers: [[spoiler:managed to score with a human witch, fathered a son with said witch]], and looks handsome to boot. '''[[MemeticMutation Myth confirmed, dood.]]'''
**** Laharl: [[spoiler: son of above]], which would have automatically qualified him if not for having [[spoiler:numbed his heart to love due to the grief of losing his mother]].
**** Adell: It probably doesn't matter if he ''had'' incubus blood, he turned the switch off a long time ago and it's not going to come back on because it has probably atrophied from lack of use. [[{Jossed} Busted.]]
**** Axel: Evidence is circumstantial, but considering his charm and that [[spoiler: his IdiotBall behaviour might be intentional]], this is pretty plausible. Not to mention to lightning bolt brows ''can't'' be natural in anyway. Axel being an incubus may also explain his director's [[IfYouKnowWhatIMean passion for his work]].
**** Mao: He has hardly any idea how love works, much less ''what it is''. [[spoiler: As a matter of fact, his passion [[ForScience for the scientific method]] and his ability to ''extrude malice into a physical form'']] means that [[InvertedTrope this myth is waaaaay busted.]]
**** Champloo: If anything, food ''is'' a good way to generate emotions...
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* She's a succubus. She's a [[{{Lolicon}} YOUNG]] succubus but she's still a succubus.
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* She's a succubus. She's a [[{{Lolicon}} YOUNG]] YOUNG succubus but she's still a succubus.
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** Most of those are doubtful if you ask me. Adell might be able to pass for an Incubus, but for the rest, just think about this: Adult Succubi are ridiculously curvy, so logically, an adult Incubus would probably have a muscular build, but even Axel looks pretty scrawny. My theory for Laharl and Vyers at least, is that they represent the classic idea of the Devil. Laharl's antennae do look kind of like horns in the right position.
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** RemingtonSteele situation, probably: he provides the spectacular levels of [[LargeHam ham]], {{Hot Blooded}}-ness, and [[LanternJawOfJustice manly, square jaw]] while she brings the actual competence.
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** RemingtonSteele Series/RemingtonSteele situation, probably: he provides the spectacular levels of [[LargeHam ham]], {{Hot Blooded}}-ness, and [[LanternJawOfJustice manly, square jaw]] while she brings the actual competence.
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****** Because Valatorez taught them to talk that way, duh.
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**** [[CanonDisContinuity Novels are not game canon.]] If you accept [[VillainDecay Baal being sued]], you've also got to accept the idea that [[{{Squick}} Flonne can switch genders pretty much at whim.]] [[NoJustNo Do not want.]]
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**** [[CanonDisContinuity Novels are not game canon.]] If you accept [[VillainDecay Baal being sued]], you've also got to accept the idea that [[{{Squick}} Flonne can switch genders pretty much at whim.]] [[NoJustNo Do not want.]]
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**** That doesn't really prove anything, level arguments wont really help much in this case, since Baal who is the strongest boss on the whole franchise with a whooping level of 9999 was beaten in canon by laharl. Zetta is a secret boss
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**** That doesn't really prove anything, level arguments wont really help much in this case, since Baal who is the strongest boss on the whole franchise with a whooping level of 9999 was beaten in canon by laharl. Zetta is a secret bossboss, he's not part of the main story line.
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**** That doesn't really prove anything, level arguments wont really help much in this case, since Baal who is the strongest boss on the whole franchise with a whooping level of 9999 was beaten in canon by laharl.
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**** That doesn't really prove anything, level arguments wont really help much in this case, since Baal who is the strongest boss on the whole franchise with a whooping level of 9999 was beaten in canon by laharl. Zetta is a secret boss
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**** That doesn't really prove anything, level arguments wont really help much in this case, since Baal who is the strongest boss on the whole franchise with a whooping level of 9999 was beaten in canon by laharl.
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** In Axel Mode of DHD, Axel is given advice by his infant sibling, so it's not implausible.
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*** The Makai Kingdom Overlords live insanely long; Zetta and King Drake The Third are at least 30,000, and endings imply that millions or billions of years are not implausible. One theory I like: at a certain power level, a demon can simply kick Death's ass and force it to ignore them (unless they're beaten in combat, and thus too weak to keep Death away). Considering Laharl gave (a) Death a thrashing in the original Disgaea...
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**** Three things: First, Zetta is accepted to be the strongest power in the cosmos by the ''other'' strongest powers in the cosmos: Pram (who by all rights should be third on this list behind Baal and Zetta), Bablyon (who was the undisputed king of the heap before The One cursed him), Valgoga, etc. Second, if one looks at non-playable appearances, Zetta has the highest level of all the characters. Zenon was 1900, Zetta was 2000, everyone else was lower. Third, in Disgaea 4, embodied Zetta has apparently gone to level ''4000'' as the strongest non-secret boss of the game.
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* Agreed. Though, this question would also extend to how someone can have on multiple pairs of shoes, full armor sets, TooManyBelts, the list goes on.
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*** I mean his arrogance affecting the summoning by thinking himself as the strongest overlord, and Book Zetta is a wish book. I don't think he's the strongest Overlord, I'm not even sure if theres even a strongest overlord. Considering almost anyone can beat the top tiers of the verse given the situation(1 of them being the main character) and the 4th wall affecting some of it. and NISverse isn't being clear on who's really the strongest. see Laharl>Baal.
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*** Ah, then there's no problem with Book Zetta as the strongest overlord.
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*** Considering Zetta is in his book form when he was summoned it makes him impossible to be the strongest overlord in that current form. And also this is a comedy-verse that constantly breaks the 4th wall, where your stats can be cut down to half by fighting enemies with big assets, has a bill that overrides you as a main character etc, etc.. so almost anything is possible.
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*** Considering Zetta is in his book form when he was summoned summoned, it makes him impossible to be the strongest overlord in that current form. And also this is a comedy-verse that constantly breaks the 4th wall, where your stats can be cut down to half by fighting enemies with big assets, has a bill that overrides you as a main character etc, etc.. so almost anything is possible.
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*** Considering this is a comedy-verse that constantly breaks the 4th wall, where your stats can be cut down to half by fighting enemies with big assets, has a bill that overrides you as a main character. Almost anything is possible.
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*** Considering Zetta is in his book form when he was summoned it makes him impossible to be the strongest overlord in that current form. And also this is a comedy-verse that constantly breaks the 4th wall, where your stats can be cut cut down to half by fighting enemies with big assets, has a bill that overrides you as a main character. Almost character etc, etc.. so almost anything is possible.
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*** Considering this is a comedy-verse that constantly breaks the 4th wall, where your stats can be cut down to half by fighting enemies with big assets, has a bill that overrides you as a main character. Almost anything is possible.
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*** If the ritual worked by summoning people based on personal claims instead of fitting the terms, fake Zenon would have shown up at the beginning of the game instead of Rozalin.
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**** Zetta's self proclaimed title in japanese is "Strongest Overlord" not Badass Overlord, so thats why he showed up.
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*** In D2, when the party summons the strongest overlord, Zetta shows up.
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***** Except Laharl actually did beat Baal in-game and is the only charater in canon to do so. In Disgaea 3 Bonus Battle, Baal said he was recovering from his last battle against Laharl.(Mao's party fighting baal is not canon)
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***** Except Laharl actually did beat Baal in-game and is the only charater in canon to do so. In Disgaea 3 Bonus Battle, Baal said he was recovering from his last battle against Laharl. (Mao's party fighting baal is not canon)canon though)
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*** Laharl's the only character that has actually beaten Baal. so this should be justified.
** Mao: (Stated to be about the same as the true Zetta, and has beaten every other character in a cameo battle. So he is a bit above Laharl.)
** Mao: (Stated to be about the same as the true Zetta, and has beaten every other character in a cameo battle. So he is a bit above Laharl.)
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