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** It's silly to count levels and stats to determine power levels as a whole, especially since they fluctuate between cameos. I mean, Laharl wasn't the best unit in D1, got better in D2, was outclassed in D3, and in LP:r, stat wise, he was just copied from Prier. It doesn't mean much. Not to mention, cameo battles favor the main character.
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** Agreed. I always have seen Etna as a... succubus puppy, but then a question arises: what are the other characters? (Imagines an adult succubus with Etna's facial features...) (Imagines Adult Etna jokingly choking Adult Flonne) Ops, I need to go to the... restroom, yep. See you later!
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** Agreed. I always have seen Etna as a... succubus puppy, but then a question arises: what are the other characters? (Imagines an adult succubus with Etna's facial features...) (Imagines Adult Etna jokingly choking Adult Flonne) Ops, I need to go to the... restroom, yep. See you later!
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* Story wise, True-Form Zetta and Original Zenon should be the strongest.
* Then Mao, if only because he has defeated many more cameo battles than anyone ever (and in one ending, pulverizes all of Earth's population in a rage)
* Then the Disgaea 2 versions of Laharl and Etna, who are both a HopelessBossFight in the main story.
* Plenair and her omg hax speed should go around here... along with her downloadable-content partner: Pram and oh, Book Form Zetta. (maybe Adult Hanako too?)
* Then, Adell and Reincarnated Zenon (Rozalin). Somewhere in here we should put Ash and Marona, who could beat the Disgaea 1 cast.
* And then, Overlord-Form Priere and Cameo Marjoly (cause her real self is pathetically easy, as of ''Rhapsody's'' difficulty standards) are roughly equal... although their areas of expertise are not comparable. Oh, wait: Eclair in her Dark Knight form is around here too. Still weaker than Overlord Priere, of course.
* Then Mao, if only because he has defeated many more cameo battles than anyone ever (and in one ending, pulverizes all of Earth's population in a rage)
* Then the Disgaea 2 versions of Laharl and Etna, who are both a HopelessBossFight in the main story.
* Plenair and her omg hax speed should go around here... along with her downloadable-content partner: Pram and oh, Book Form Zetta. (maybe Adult Hanako too?)
* Then, Adell and Reincarnated Zenon (Rozalin). Somewhere in here we should put Ash and Marona, who could beat the Disgaea 1 cast.
* And then, Overlord-Form Priere and Cameo Marjoly (cause her real self is pathetically easy, as of ''Rhapsody's'' difficulty standards) are roughly equal... although their areas of expertise are not comparable. Oh, wait: Eclair in her Dark Knight form is around here too. Still weaker than Overlord Priere, of course.
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* Story wise, True-Form Zetta Sooo, lets try and clean up our thoughts and conclusions... the Overlord Rank List!
** The One: (You know who. The one who makes the Netherworlds be what they are, mentioning his 'name' sends chills down any Overlord's spine.)
** Tyrant Baal: (A monster solely designed to be nigh unbeatable, he starts with the highest level of the non-Item World enemies... but he is always defeated. As he can just jump to a new body, that takes him to the top of the list.)
** OriginalZenon should be Zenon: (Was a few kills short of becoming the strongest.
* Then Mao, if only becausesame kind of monstrosity as Baal, but managed to avoid such fate by Transmigrating.)
** True form Zetta: (He's the Most Badass Overlord of them all, Badass > Regular, and starts at lvl 2000 where all others start at level 1.)
** Mao: (Stated to be about the same as the true Zetta, and has beaten every other character in a cameo battle. So he is a bit above Laharl.)
** Laharl: (Stated to be equal to Mao in ''Disgaea 3'', he hasdefeated many more beaten 2 cameo battles than anyone ever (and in but lost the rest... then again, he shows up at a impossibly high level during ''Disgaea 2''... but he has a couple of pathetic weaknesses which don't seem to bother Mao, so yeah.)
** Etna: (Rumored to be able to take over Laharl's throne if she really wanted to... 'if you're not worth, an '''accident''' may happen', she says. To say that to Laharl's face, she has to be very confident. Less we forget, shows up at an impossibly high level during ''Disgaea 2''.)
** Plenair: (DLC, thus overpowered. Hax speed, which means she dodges everything. Yes... even spoken language. You can't kill what you can't hit... and most probably, her fans will not let you. Of course, ADELL is oneending, pulverizes all of Earth's population in a rage)
* Then the Disgaea 2 versions of Laharl and Etna, who are both a HopelessBossFight in the main story.
* Plenair and her omg hax speed should go around here... along with her downloadable-content partner: Pram and oh, Book Form Zetta. (maybe Adult Hanako too?)
* Then,them.)
** Majin Hanako: (With just 18 Veldime years, she became so strong that Adell andReincarnated Zenon (Rozalin). Somewhere company were barely able to stand to her. Who knows what will she become if she ever gets Beauty Queen rank like her idol, Etna.)
** Pram: (DLC, thus overpowered. Became Overlord when she was a couple years old, inhere we should put Ash a ''Makai Kingdom'' end, rules over all the cosmos for a million years, undefeated. Then again she was bested by both Adell and Marona, who Mao, but was weakened on those ocassions.)
** Marjoly: (Just above Priere because, while possesing the same raw power, she is 500 levels ahead of her in cameos and is a magic user. Magic > Fists, what with range advantage... Of course, Demon Priere's MegatonPunch and GroinAttack are not to be taken lightly.)
** Priere: (Stated to have been restraining herself when she battled Adell, but nothing of the sort agaisnt Mao and Laharl. She lost every cameo battle, but starts at lvl 2000... that means she has a lot of raw power, but can't control it.)
** Book Zetta: (Same power as when he was human-shaped, but now has atrocious mobility... how the mighty has fallen. Okay, he can still Invite a building to crash on your head.)
** Beryl: (Just above Flonne, because... even if she's a monster-class caster -two terms that don't exactly mix well together- and had to be rescued once, she had her own story mode and is stated to be Mao's rival. Also, as Flonne, too kind to fight at full power.)
** Flonne: (How is she not higher? She is stated to be weaker than full Angels, you know... a GENERIC class. She would be about the same as Demon-in-training Almaz. Furthermore, she's too kind to ever fight at full power.)
** Adell: (Has beaten the same cameo battles as Laharl, and has a score of two loses and a win agaisnt him. His ability makes him stronger agaisnt people more powerful than him, so that fact has to count for something...)
** Rozalin: (She has less experience than her male companion, but ends up about equal to him in the end. Sometimes taps into her 'father's' power reserve, at which times she is just below Mao and his crew. Not knowing her potential makes her lose points and be below Adell.)
** Axel: (Had his own story mode, but proven to be a bit weaker than Adell, what with his lame and goofy attitude and the fact that everyone wanted him to stay dead even if he was not. If only he could forget his rock star stunts and fight seriously...)
* Now for the Puny Humans Rank List! Demon > Human, anywhere, any day. So let's keep on.
** Human Priere: Those are Paprika's (and later, the Netherworld's) strongest, sexiest legs... said to be able to bend metal with them, and has a knack of recruiting demons for her game's party a la Nanoha: that is, 'befriending them'.)
** Eclair: (DLC, thus powerful. Even if she's inhumanly strong as a Dark Knight she was still beaten by HUMAN Priere. Nonetheless, stronger then everyone else.)
** Almaz: (He's build like a male BarrierMaiden, that means he can both give beatings and TAKE them, something that his wife Sapphire cannot match. Becomes a Superhero in some ''Disgaea 3'' ending. He had demon powers infused to him.)
** Ash: (Stated to be strong when he was alive, he could defeat an EldritchAbomination even if he was a Phantom. Not having to care about dying puts him this high.)
** Sapphire: (AxCrazy princess, she has everything Almaz has minus the Defense stat, albeit a higher aptitude towards magic. Still, below him. No, I am not being sexist. See who is holding the first place?)
** Marona: (Even if she is nice and non-violent, she is a powerful necromancer. She was able to beat the Disgaea 1cast.
* And then, Overlord-Form Priere and Cameo Marjoly (cause her real self is pathetically easy, as of ''Rhapsody's'' difficulty standards) are roughly equal... although their areas of expertise are not comparable. Oh, wait: Eclaircast in her Dark Knight form game, but later Mao trounced her. That's why she is around here not higher.)
** Kurtis: (Has cyborg implants, thus he is stronger than regular humans, and brains to match Jennifer's. But was beaten twice before dying and became a Prinny...)
** Jennifer: (She is the brains of the EDF, but secretly the brawn too.Still weaker than Overlord Priere, Forgeting her relation with Gordon, she could easily take him down. Again like Flonne and Raspberyl, she's too kind to ever use that power again, that's why she is not higher.)
** Gordon: (Skilled with guns, and has attack based specials, but hasn't enough power to use them consistently. He is as much a hero -in his own way- as Almaz, but every skill ofcourse.his is surpassed by someone else, be it physically or intelectually.)
** The One: (You know who. The one who makes the Netherworlds be what they are, mentioning his 'name' sends chills down any Overlord's spine.)
** Tyrant Baal: (A monster solely designed to be nigh unbeatable, he starts with the highest level of the non-Item World enemies... but he is always defeated. As he can just jump to a new body, that takes him to the top of the list.)
** Original
* Then Mao, if only because
** True form Zetta: (He's the Most Badass Overlord of them all, Badass > Regular, and starts at lvl 2000 where all others start at level 1.)
** Mao: (Stated to be about the same as the true Zetta, and has beaten every other character in a cameo battle. So he is a bit above Laharl.)
** Laharl: (Stated to be equal to Mao in ''Disgaea 3'', he has
** Etna: (Rumored to be able to take over Laharl's throne if she really wanted to... 'if you're not worth, an '''accident''' may happen', she says. To say that to Laharl's face, she has to be very confident. Less we forget, shows up at an impossibly high level during ''Disgaea 2''.)
** Plenair: (DLC, thus overpowered. Hax speed, which means she dodges everything. Yes... even spoken language. You can't kill what you can't hit... and most probably, her fans will not let you. Of course, ADELL is one
* Then the Disgaea 2 versions of Laharl and Etna, who are both a HopelessBossFight in the main story.
* Plenair and her omg hax speed should go around here... along with her downloadable-content partner: Pram and oh, Book Form Zetta. (maybe Adult Hanako too?)
* Then,
** Majin Hanako: (With just 18 Veldime years, she became so strong that Adell and
** Pram: (DLC, thus overpowered. Became Overlord when she was a couple years old, in
** Marjoly: (Just above Priere because, while possesing the same raw power, she is 500 levels ahead of her in cameos and is a magic user. Magic > Fists, what with range advantage... Of course, Demon Priere's MegatonPunch and GroinAttack are not to be taken lightly.)
** Priere: (Stated to have been restraining herself when she battled Adell, but nothing of the sort agaisnt Mao and Laharl. She lost every cameo battle, but starts at lvl 2000... that means she has a lot of raw power, but can't control it.)
** Book Zetta: (Same power as when he was human-shaped, but now has atrocious mobility... how the mighty has fallen. Okay, he can still Invite a building to crash on your head.)
** Beryl: (Just above Flonne, because... even if she's a monster-class caster -two terms that don't exactly mix well together- and had to be rescued once, she had her own story mode and is stated to be Mao's rival. Also, as Flonne, too kind to fight at full power.)
** Flonne: (How is she not higher? She is stated to be weaker than full Angels, you know... a GENERIC class. She would be about the same as Demon-in-training Almaz. Furthermore, she's too kind to ever fight at full power.)
** Adell: (Has beaten the same cameo battles as Laharl, and has a score of two loses and a win agaisnt him. His ability makes him stronger agaisnt people more powerful than him, so that fact has to count for something...)
** Rozalin: (She has less experience than her male companion, but ends up about equal to him in the end. Sometimes taps into her 'father's' power reserve, at which times she is just below Mao and his crew. Not knowing her potential makes her lose points and be below Adell.)
** Axel: (Had his own story mode, but proven to be a bit weaker than Adell, what with his lame and goofy attitude and the fact that everyone wanted him to stay dead even if he was not. If only he could forget his rock star stunts and fight seriously...)
* Now for the Puny Humans Rank List! Demon > Human, anywhere, any day. So let's keep on.
** Human Priere: Those are Paprika's (and later, the Netherworld's) strongest, sexiest legs... said to be able to bend metal with them, and has a knack of recruiting demons for her game's party a la Nanoha: that is, 'befriending them'.)
** Eclair: (DLC, thus powerful. Even if she's inhumanly strong as a Dark Knight she was still beaten by HUMAN Priere. Nonetheless, stronger then everyone else.)
** Almaz: (He's build like a male BarrierMaiden, that means he can both give beatings and TAKE them, something that his wife Sapphire cannot match. Becomes a Superhero in some ''Disgaea 3'' ending. He had demon powers infused to him.)
** Ash: (Stated to be strong when he was alive, he could defeat an EldritchAbomination even if he was a Phantom. Not having to care about dying puts him this high.)
** Sapphire: (AxCrazy princess, she has everything Almaz has minus the Defense stat, albeit a higher aptitude towards magic. Still, below him. No, I am not being sexist. See who is holding the first place?)
** Marona: (Even if she is nice and non-violent, she is a powerful necromancer. She was able to beat the Disgaea 1
* And then, Overlord-Form Priere and Cameo Marjoly (cause her real self is pathetically easy, as of ''Rhapsody's'' difficulty standards) are roughly equal... although their areas of expertise are not comparable. Oh, wait: Eclair
** Kurtis: (Has cyborg implants, thus he is stronger than regular humans, and brains to match Jennifer's. But was beaten twice before dying and became a Prinny...)
** Jennifer: (She is the brains of the EDF, but secretly the brawn too.
** Gordon: (Skilled with guns, and has attack based specials, but hasn't enough power to use them consistently. He is as much a hero -in his own way- as Almaz, but every skill of
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[[WMG: Seriously, what's up with the anime trailer?]]
* Did they blow all their budget on those 5 minutes? Because even by 2010 standards, that was some really good animation - pretty darn close to movie quality, even. But then you have the [[OffModel actual anime series]](which I actually quite enjoyed despite all its faults - but I digress)...what really bugs me though is that they never even used any of the animation present in the trailer! Why make it, then? Just to troll us fans?
** My guess here is that they were trying to diverge from the original storyline, maybe to try and come up with something different (cause, why bother animating the game when you can just play it?) Unfortunately, it seems they should've stuck closer to the game's events, if only for the sake of making the anime not look like a completely random series of clusterfucks.
** I agree. I even think the trailer is THE reason why the anime wasn't well received by fans. The trailer really showed that the anime would have had potential, but as you said, it looked like they blew their entire budget on the trailer.
* Did they blow all their budget on those 5 minutes? Because even by 2010 standards, that was some really good animation - pretty darn close to movie quality, even. But then you have the [[OffModel actual anime series]](which I actually quite enjoyed despite all its faults - but I digress)...what really bugs me though is that they never even used any of the animation present in the trailer! Why make it, then? Just to troll us fans?
** My guess here is that they were trying to diverge from the original storyline, maybe to try and come up with something different (cause, why bother animating the game when you can just play it?) Unfortunately, it seems they should've stuck closer to the game's events, if only for the sake of making the anime not look like a completely random series of clusterfucks.
** I agree. I even think the trailer is THE reason why the anime wasn't well received by fans. The trailer really showed that the anime would have had potential, but as you said, it looked like they blew their entire budget on the trailer.
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[[WMG:Why do people still call them ''Rune'' Knights?]]
* They were only called that in promotional materials for the first game (in the game itself they were just Knights, with Rune Knight being an otherwise forgettable tier), while all later games refer to them as ''Magic'' Knights. Did people just not want to change what they were calling them, even if it could lead to confusion?
** It's a personal preference. For example, a lot of people prefer calling the Disgaea 1 gun wielding class Scouts, which is just their first tier name, over Striders, their official name.
** In the DS remake, the Collection Book still calls them Rune Knights, so...
[[WMG:Do people seriously ''like'' Axel?]]
* Seriously. The dude was never cool, interesting, or remarkable outside of how obnoxious he was. And yet most of the additional content in the PSP re-release of {{Disgaea 2}} was about ''him'', and ''now'' he's getting a major role in {{Disgaea 4}}? What the friggin' heck is ''wrong'' with you people?!
** Some of us have those same negative opinions you have towards Axel about Etna, and had the same reaction you had here when she got the role in Disgaea 2 and the bonus mode in the remakes for the first one. You just learn to deal with it. Personally, I'd rather have more Axel than more Etna, but having neither of them would work better for everyone.
*** Touche, but there are a couple of things that makes Axel's case different. One, Etna, like her or not, has some character appeal--to wit, her EstablishingCharacterMoment at the beginning of the first game when we see her brutally try to wake Laharl up (not to mention that it's also the EstablishingCharacterMoment for the series' tone). Axel's, meanwhile, was about him being an idiot and then nearlly killed because Adell happened to run into him. Two, Axel mode breaks the pattern of these [[BuffySpeak "sidestory" things]]. Disgaea 1's starred Etna, Disgaea 3's starred Raspberryl--see where I'm going with this? The other two (and, I might be wrong, but since the Raspberryl chapters are DLC, they were probably released before Disgaea 2 PSP) starred one of the leading female characters. In other words, Disgaea 2's sidestory chapters should've starred Rozaln or Hanako--both of which have potential, especially the latter. Try telling me that a series of chapters where we see Hanako grow up to be Future Hanako wouldn't be cool. On a related note, Axel mode meant that you get ''none'' of the unique characters in Adell mode to level up on the new maps. To me, it all goes back to my initial question--do people actually ''like'' Axel?
**** Well, I thought I made it clear that ''I'' like Axel, and I liked Axel mode too, and thought they really couldn't have made a better choice (at least plot wise) using just D2's cast. (Rozalin mode would be hard to make different enough from the main plot, since Rozalin is very prominent in that already, and Hanako mode, while interesting as a concept I supposs, doesn't really sound like it'd be as interesting to actually play a full mode of. What else does that leave? Taro mode? Yukimaru mode?)
[[WMG:The interface.. Needs a gender indicator.]]
Because I just apparently named two males (a warrior and a healer) girl names. Because they looked like girls. Shall I put this game under Viewer Gender Confusion as well? I know I can change their names, but in the middle of a battle, finally discovering that you made that sort of mistake, is a little unnerving.
* You actually got their genders confused? I thought they had been designed quite differently from their female counterparts.
* They were only called that in promotional materials for the first game (in the game itself they were just Knights, with Rune Knight being an otherwise forgettable tier), while all later games refer to them as ''Magic'' Knights. Did people just not want to change what they were calling them, even if it could lead to confusion?
** It's a personal preference. For example, a lot of people prefer calling the Disgaea 1 gun wielding class Scouts, which is just their first tier name, over Striders, their official name.
** In the DS remake, the Collection Book still calls them Rune Knights, so...
[[WMG:Do people seriously ''like'' Axel?]]
* Seriously. The dude was never cool, interesting, or remarkable outside of how obnoxious he was. And yet most of the additional content in the PSP re-release of {{Disgaea 2}} was about ''him'', and ''now'' he's getting a major role in {{Disgaea 4}}? What the friggin' heck is ''wrong'' with you people?!
** Some of us have those same negative opinions you have towards Axel about Etna, and had the same reaction you had here when she got the role in Disgaea 2 and the bonus mode in the remakes for the first one. You just learn to deal with it. Personally, I'd rather have more Axel than more Etna, but having neither of them would work better for everyone.
*** Touche, but there are a couple of things that makes Axel's case different. One, Etna, like her or not, has some character appeal--to wit, her EstablishingCharacterMoment at the beginning of the first game when we see her brutally try to wake Laharl up (not to mention that it's also the EstablishingCharacterMoment for the series' tone). Axel's, meanwhile, was about him being an idiot and then nearlly killed because Adell happened to run into him. Two, Axel mode breaks the pattern of these [[BuffySpeak "sidestory" things]]. Disgaea 1's starred Etna, Disgaea 3's starred Raspberryl--see where I'm going with this? The other two (and, I might be wrong, but since the Raspberryl chapters are DLC, they were probably released before Disgaea 2 PSP) starred one of the leading female characters. In other words, Disgaea 2's sidestory chapters should've starred Rozaln or Hanako--both of which have potential, especially the latter. Try telling me that a series of chapters where we see Hanako grow up to be Future Hanako wouldn't be cool. On a related note, Axel mode meant that you get ''none'' of the unique characters in Adell mode to level up on the new maps. To me, it all goes back to my initial question--do people actually ''like'' Axel?
**** Well, I thought I made it clear that ''I'' like Axel, and I liked Axel mode too, and thought they really couldn't have made a better choice (at least plot wise) using just D2's cast. (Rozalin mode would be hard to make different enough from the main plot, since Rozalin is very prominent in that already, and Hanako mode, while interesting as a concept I supposs, doesn't really sound like it'd be as interesting to actually play a full mode of. What else does that leave? Taro mode? Yukimaru mode?)
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Because I just apparently named two males (a warrior and a healer) girl names. Because they looked like girls. Shall I put this game under Viewer Gender Confusion as well? I know I can change their names, but in the middle of a battle, finally discovering that you made that sort of mistake, is a little unnerving.
* You actually got their genders confused? I thought they had been designed quite differently from their female counterparts.
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** Laharl and Mao have been said in D3 to be equals, and Pram has compared to Mao being near Zetta's level in his prime. Prier should be a bit higher, or at least higher than Adell as she was holding back during the fight, and wasn't Marjoly still under the effects of a seal when they went to fight her? A post-game Zetta would probably also be a lot weaker since he stopped getting extra mana and probably gave up a whole lot of it for his last stunt.
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[[WMG: Why doesn't Aurum just switch dimensions?]]
* At this point, pretty much everyone knows that they live in a multiverse, especially considering the amount of transfer students going from one Netherworld to another. So why is Aurum obsessed with finding the strongest Overlord at the Evil Academy? Even ignoring other N1 demon protagonists, there's probably a lot more Overlords waiting to get their asses kicked somewhere else.
* At this point, pretty much everyone knows that they live in a multiverse, especially considering the amount of transfer students going from one Netherworld to another. So why is Aurum obsessed with finding the strongest Overlord at the Evil Academy? Even ignoring other N1 demon protagonists, there's probably a lot more Overlords waiting to get their asses kicked somewhere else.
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* We have seen multiple netherworlds and at least 3 human worlds in the nipponichiverse so why have we only seen one single Celestia, it doesn't make sense seeing as how Celestia is supposed to balance out the netherworlds.
* We have seen multiple netherworlds and at least 3 human worlds in the nipponichiverse so why have we only seen one single Celestia, it doesn't make sense seeing as how Celestia is supposed to balance out the netherworlds.
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Because I just apparently named two males (a warrior and a healer) girl names. Because they looked like girls. Shall I put this game under Viewer Gender Confusion as well? I know I can change their names, but in the middle of a battle, finally discovering that you made that sort of mistake, is a little unnerving.
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** Unless my memory fails me, the Collection Book in ''Disgaea DS'' calls them rune knights.
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** Unless my memory fails me, In the DS remake, the Collection Book in ''Disgaea DS'' still calls them rune knights.
Rune Knights, so...
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** Unless my memory fails me, the Collection Book in ''Disgaea DS'' calls them rune knights.
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**** [[CanonDisContinuity Novels are not game canon.]] If you accept [[VillainDecay Baal being sued]], you've also got to accept the idea that [[{{Squick}} Flonne can switch genders pretty much at whim.]] [[NoJustNo Do not want.]]
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** It's a personal preference. For example, a lot of people prefer calling the Disgaea 1 gun wielding class Scouts, which is just their first tier name, over Striders, their official name.
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* Seriously. The dude was never cool, interesting, or remarkable outside of how obnoxious he was. And yet most of the additional content in the PSP re-release of {{Disgaea2}} was about ''him'', and ''now'' he's getting a major role in {{Disgaea4}}? What the figgin' heck is ''wrong'' with you people?!
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* Seriously. The dude was never cool, interesting, or remarkable outside of how obnoxious he was. And yet most of the additional content in the PSP re-release of {{Disgaea2}} {{Disgaea 2}} was about ''him'', and ''now'' he's getting a major role in {{Disgaea4}}? {{Disgaea 4}}? What the figgin' friggin' heck is ''wrong'' with you people?!
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*** Touche, but there are a couple of things that makes Axel's case different. One, Etna, like her or not, has some character appeal--to wit, her EstablishingCharacterMoment at the beginning of the first game when we see her brutally try to wake Laharl up (not to mention that it's also the EstablishingCharacterMoment for the series' tone). Axel's, meanwhile, was about him being an idiot and then nearlly killed because Adell happened to run into him. Two, Axel mode breaks the pattern of these [[BuffySpeak "sidestory" things]]. Disgaea 1's starred Etna, Disgaea 3's starred Raspberryl--see where I'm going with this? The other two (and, I might be wrong, but since the Raspberryl chapters are DLC, they were probably released before Disgaea 2 PSP) starred one of the leading female characters. In other words, Disgaea 2's sidestory chapters should've starred Rozaln or Hanako--both of which have potential, especially the latter. Try telling me that a series of chapters where we see Hanako grow up to be Future Hanako wouldn't be cool. On a related note, Axel mode meant that you get ''none'' of the unique characters in Adell mode to level up on the new maps. To me, it all goes back to my initial question--do people actually ''like'' Axel?
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**Some of us have those same negative opinions you have towards Axel about Etna, and had the same reaction you had here when she got the role in Disgaea 2 and the bonus mode in the remakes for the first one. You just learn to deal with it. Personally, I'd rather have more Axel than more Etna, but having neither of them would work better for everyone.
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* Seriously. The dude was never cool, interesting, or remarkable outside of how obnoxious he was. And yet most of the additional content in Disgaea2 was about ''him'', and ''now'' he's getting a major role in Disgaea4? What the figgin' heck is ''wrong'' with you people?!
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* Seriously. The dude was never cool, interesting, or remarkable outside of how obnoxious he was. And yet most of the additional content in Disgaea2 the PSP re-release of {{Disgaea2}} was about ''him'', and ''now'' he's getting a major role in Disgaea4? {{Disgaea4}}? What the figgin' heck is ''wrong'' with you people?!
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* Seriously. The dude was never cool, interesting, or remarkable outside of how obnoxious he was. And yet most of the additional content in Disgaea2 was about ''him'', and ''now'' he's getting a major role in Disgaea4? What the figgin' heck is ''wrong'' with you people?!
* Seriously. The dude was never cool, interesting, or remarkable outside of how obnoxious he was. And yet most of the additional content in Disgaea2 was about ''him'', and ''now'' he's getting a major role in Disgaea4? What the figgin' heck is ''wrong'' with you people?!
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Sorry, it just bugs me. Might come off as nitpicky.
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*They were only called that in promotional materials for the first game (in the game itself they were just Knights, with Rune Knight being an otherwise forgettable tier), while all later games refer to them as ''Magic'' Knights. Did people just not want to change what they were calling them, even if it could lead to confusion?
*They were only called that in promotional materials for the first game (in the game itself they were just Knights, with Rune Knight being an otherwise forgettable tier), while all later games refer to them as ''Magic'' Knights. Did people just not want to change what they were calling them, even if it could lead to confusion?
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* ...Attack, and then move? You will never see an enemy attack, and then run. How come enemies never use throw, or attack Geo Symbols/Blocks(on purpose)?
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* ...Attack, and then move? You will never see an enemy attack, and then run. How come enemies never use throw, or attack Geo Symbols/Blocks(on purpose)?
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** My guess here is that they were trying to diverge from the original storyline, maybe to try and come up with something different (cause, why bother animating the game when you can just play it?) Unfortunately, it seems they should've stuck closer to the game's events, if only for the sake of making the anime not look like a completely random series of clusterfucks.
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***Laharl did manage to utterly decimate Baal in the [[ExpandedUniverse novels]] though, which should speak volumes about his power level 10 years after Disgaea 1.(He also grew 2 centimeters!)
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[[WMG: Seriously, what's up with the anime trailer?]]
*Did they blow all their budget on those 5 minutes? Because even by 2010 standards, that was some really good animation - pretty darn close to movie quality, even. But then you have the [[OffModel actual anime series]](which I actually quite enjoyed despite all its faults - but I digress)...what really bugs me though is that they never even used any of the animation present in the trailer! Why make it, then? Just to troll us fans?
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**** Majin Hanako is 10 years older as young Hanako sees it, but maybe she's actually translating Netherworld years into Veldime years.
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*** Apparently, DisgaeaInfinite mixes this up some; one of the entries states that Netherworld Time runs at about 1/100 the speed of Human World Time, hence why Laharl and Etna look the way they do (and guessing that Celestia runs on the same time frame, Flonne and Lamington being examples as well). Another possible piece of evidence comes from Disgaea 2; Veldime was a human world prior to the curse transforming everyone and everything, hence why Adell and Rozalin look as they do. However, here comes the mix-up: With the Dark Hero Days DLC, we get Majin Hanako, who basically looks like Etna, except that when Hanako went with Etna, it was back to Laharl's Netherworld, which means she should've still looked like her 9 year-old self if we were to follow said entry. Although this probably raises even more questions....
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* Remember Thursday the robot in Disgaea 1? Thursday + 1 = Friday. SoYeah.
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*** I have always been under the impression that while Jennifer is stronger, she still let's Gordon provide the brawn and she provides support. Gordon was clearly shocked going up against the neural-overrided Jennifer meaning that if she did use her Kung Fu skills, she didn't use it often enough for Gordon to notice. And while Gordon's default weapon is a gun, remember that his specials are ATK based and most of them involve him pummeling his targets.
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**** "FridgeBrilliance occurs: [[spoiler: General Carter needs a pawn to invade the Netherworld so he can secure a route for the main force, and what better pawn than an egotistical hero who's practically "TooDumbToLive"? Had Jennifer been the leading force in the operation, Carter's plan might've been foiled.]] 'Sides, Gordon needs a [[MostCommonSuperPower busty]] female sidekick, right?
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**We should also remember that this is a more eastern perception of the "god" idea, and almost certainly doesn't have the connotations of omnipotence, total sovereignty, etc. that the western, Abrahamic conception of "God" has. In this case it would simply mean that he's really really strong. And we all know that {{Badass}} > regular strength any day.
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