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** That is FanficFuel right there. There are many ForWantOfANail fics out there where Light just doesn't watch the broadcast and that totally puts a SpannerInTheWorks for the entire plot. L's entire plan relied on Light being at home, watching TV! So unless L somehow had Light in mind as his suspect from the very beginning...
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** That is FanficFuel right there. There are many ForWantOfANail for-want-of-a-nail fics out there where Light just doesn't watch the broadcast and that totally puts a SpannerInTheWorks for the entire plot. L's entire plan relied on Light being at home, watching TV! So unless L somehow had Light in mind as his suspect from the very beginning...
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*** The lighter parts are sometimes tinted slightly green for shading, but it isn't literally green. Even in this picture, which you chose as an example, the level of green in his hair is so slight that I'm amazed you took it as his hair being green.
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**** And does that even happen in the anime? I thought that was just the Relight special, which isn't canon.
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**** The lighter parts are sometimes tinted slightly green for shading, but it isn't literally green. Even in this picture, which you chose as an example, the level of green in his hair is so slight that I'm amazed you took it as his hair being green.
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* No, it doesn't prove anything — and it isn't meant to. L is just getting a read on Light.
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*** Obviously L wasn't interested in changing this trait or mitigating it with PR and coaches, otherwise he would have just done that. (And "expected to act like adults"? When has L given you the impression that he cares about what other people expect of him?) The way he talks about it, he clearly doesn't consider it something he's better off without. Besides, this is only ''one'' of the reasons he revealed his knowledge. As mentioned above, he had other reasons.
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**** If you care about what the author says, that statement only hurts your case; it demonstrates that they were fully aware that Light was putting his pride above his life, and intended that interpretation. Also, regardless of what the author says, literally the entire plot demonstrates that Light not only frequently but pretty much constantly puts his pride above his sense of self-preservation; the entire Kira charade is essentially ''made'' of that tradeoff, as much as he tells himself he's being smart and careful about it. So I don't know why you think this situation would be any different.
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*** ''And'' Mikami, who was restrained and handcuffed right in front of him. Really, asking Ryuk for help was the ''sanest'' thought Light had at this point, since Ryuk was at least technically capable of doing it - ignoring the fact that he never actually ''would'' is small potatoes at this point. You can actually see how Light thinks he's had some great epiphany here: after three increasingly desperate pleas to people who are in no position to help, his face actually [[IncrediblyLamePun lights up]] out of [[SarcasmMode sheer cleverness]] as he goes, "Hey Ryuk, my bestest friend, surely ''you'' can lend me a hand here".
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*** ''And'' Mikami, who was restrained and handcuffed right in front of him. Really, asking Ryuk for help was the ''sanest'' thought Light had at this point, since Ryuk was at least technically capable of doing it - ignoring the fact that he never actually ''would'' is small potatoes at this point. You can actually see how Light thinks he's had some great epiphany here: after three increasingly desperate pleas to people who are in no position to help, his face actually [[IncrediblyLamePun [[{{Pun}} lights up]] out of [[SarcasmMode sheer cleverness]] as he goes, "Hey Ryuk, my bestest friend, surely ''you'' can lend me a hand here".
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** Also, Light's memory 'removal' doesn't literally erase all of his memories since he got the Death Note, only the memories RELATING to the Death Note. He wakes up in L's prison cell, but still knows who L is, that he volunteered to get into the cell, what the Kira case is, etc... and argues his way out by insisting he's not Kira after all. He clearly remembers ''everything'' thus far... except the Death Note, and everything directly relating to it (Ryuk, Shinigami in general, the rules of how it works, etc...). Ultimately he forgot nothing of note, otherwise he himself would realise it ('hey, I don't remember passing this exam or making this speech, what the heck happened to me?')
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** Warning: this troper believes Light was always a psycopath and builds their theories on this. Having said that, sometimes psychopats are just born that way. There is no abuse, no head trauma, no psychological trauma - they are just what they are from the beginning. Psycopathy can also be very different from person to person: some of those afflicted could be all Patrick Bates, some of them may have no empathy at all, but also not have a desire to hurt others, and some even have a strong feeling the way they feel isn't right. The thing is, most psycopaths live normal lives and sometimes even have no idea they are psycopaths, and I think Light was one of these people. If not for the Death Note, he would have probably had a boring life where he would just wonder why everyone is so inferior to him and why nothing gives him a thrill. But then he gets a power that shows him the thrill he never knew... And it acts like a drug. Light is bored out of his mind, and he wouldn't just let the thrill go. Especially when the bonus is being the greater good everybody worships (in his head).
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** I may remember things wrong, but wasn't the broadcast shown during the time Kira was usually watching the news to find his victims? Light had kind of a schedule with killings: he turned on the news after school, wrote the names of the criminals, and then 40 seconds later they were gone. L may have made the connection that killings always occur during the same time and the criminals dying were mentioned in the news at this particular time. Still doesn't make the plan foolproof... But L didn't really expected it to work flawlessly.
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** She could've forgotten how exactly his surname was written. Given she really saw it for a few seconds, if I was her, I know I would've a) been distracted by the weird first name, and b) forgotten how to spell the surname in a few days. Now then, imagine what would've happened if she told him "yeah, I don't remember the surname, but his first name was L"? Light would've been furious with her and would've never believed she wasn't messing with him. And since she's afraid he would dump her and never talk to her again if she wasn't useful, she comes up with excuses: it was a long time ago, and she only saw it once, and she didn't even know it was L, and all that stuff. Then Light is mad at her, but it's not unsolvable.
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** Watch the episode again, [[WhatAnIdiot Takuo Shibumaru introduces himself with his full name]] before attempting to lead a gang-rape in the middle of the street.
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** Watch the episode again, [[WhatAnIdiot Takuo Shibumaru introduces himself with his full name]] name before attempting to lead a gang-rape in the middle of the street.
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** This could have something to do with [[WhatAnIdiot the Lind L. Tailor incident.]] Note that he is impulsive throughout the series. This also has to do with the fact that he doesn't have very much foresight except when he is manipulating everyone. I have the guess that, though he has a genius IQ, he lacks proper planning skills, seeing as he is seventeen and all at the time...
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** This could have something to do with [[WhatAnIdiot the Lind L. Tailor incident.]] Note that he is impulsive throughout the series. This also has to do with the fact that he doesn't have very much foresight except when he is manipulating everyone. I have the guess that, though he has a genius IQ, he lacks proper planning skills, seeing as he is seventeen and all at the time...
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** Both the bus jacking and the Ayoyama steak out prove that even though it is not shown much, Light does have an active enough social life that he can call up people on short notice to hang out or go on a date. So it would not be a complete personality change for them to see him enter romantic relationships.
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* The numbers over a human's head only change the Death Note has directly altered their lifespan, such as when their name is written in it or when they make the Eye Deal. Any changes made to a person's lifespan indirectly, such as a person who would have been randomly killed in a week by a drunk driver who is killed by the notebook, don't have their numbers change. Light's lifespan has been doubtlessly altered from his time with the notebook, but since it was never directly shortened by it, Ryuk still sees his old death date, which he knows is useless to him at this rate.
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* The numbers over a human's head only change when the Death Note has directly altered their lifespan, such as when their name is written in it or when they make the Eye Deal. Any changes made to a person's lifespan indirectly, such as a person who would have been randomly killed in a week by a drunk driver who is killed by the notebook, don't have their numbers change. Light's lifespan has been doubtlessly altered from his time with the notebook, but since it was never directly shortened by it, Ryuk still sees his old death date, which he knows is useless to him at this rate.
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* The numbers over a human's head only change the Death Note has directly altered their lifespan, such as when their name is written in it or when they make the Eye Deal. Any changes made to a person's lifespan indirectly, such as a person who would have been randomly killed in a week by a drunk driver who is killed by the notebook, don't have their numbers change. Light's lifespan has been doubtlessly altered from his time with the notebook, but since it was never directly shortened by it, Ryuk still sees his old death date, which he knows is useless to him at this rate.
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[[folder: How does Ryuk not know when Light is going to die?]]
After Light escapes the warehouse Ryuk says he doesn't know how long it's going to take before Light dies in prison, but couldn't Ryuk just look at Light and see how long he has left? I know he'd probably just kill him anyway out of boredom, but Ryuk's final monologue gives the impression that he's ''incapable'' of figuring it out, rather than just unwilling to wait.
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After Light escapes the warehouse Ryuk says he doesn't know how long it's going to take before Light dies in prison, but couldn't Ryuk just look at Light and see how long he has left? I know he'd probably just kill him anyway out of boredom, but Ryuk's final monologue gives the impression that he's ''incapable'' of figuring it out, rather than just unwilling to wait.
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** Considering the memory erasure specifically only targeted the parts of Light's mind that had knowledge of the Death Note and him being Kira, it's possible that his amnesiac "boy scout" personality was a result of him magically BecomingTheMask. Pre-Death Note, Light never really went out of his way to say laud justice and say how much he hates people like Kira. It's possible that when his memories were erased, the force that did it filled in the gaps with the fake Knight of Justice personality he'd been projecting to everyone in order to throw suspicion off himself, a personality that he only adopted after becoming Kira.
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** Considering the memory erasure specifically only targeted the parts of Light's mind that had knowledge of the Death Note and him being Kira, it's possible that his amnesiac "boy scout" personality was a result of him magically BecomingTheMask. Pre-Death Note, Light never really went out of his way to say laud justice and say how much he hates people like Kira. It's possible that when his memories were erased, the force that did it filled in the gaps with the fake Knight of Justice personality he'd been projecting to everyone in order to throw suspicion off himself, a personality that he only adopted after becoming Kira.
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** Considering the memory erasure specifically only targeted the parts of Light's mind that had knowledge of the Death Note and him being Kira, it's possible that his amnesiac "boy scout" personality was a result of him magically BecomingTheMask. Pre-Death Note, Light never really went out of his way to say laud justice and say how much he hates people like Kira. It's possible that when his memories were erased, the force that did it filled in the gaps with the fake Knight of Justice personality he'd been projecting to everyone in order to throw suspicion off himself, a personality that he only adopted after becoming Kira.
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** Rem is too noble for her own good. She got scared when faced with the threat that Misa would die if she let L live, so took the path of least resistance and killed him and Watari at the cost of her own life rather than take time to plan out an alternate strategy such as you suggested.
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** Rem is too noble for her own good. She got scared when faced with the threat that Misa would die if she let L live, so she took the path of least resistance and killed him and Watari at the cost of her own life rather than take time to plan out an alternate strategy such as you suggested.
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** Rem could do this, and I want to believe she would survive. Then she would convince Misa to dump Light.
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** Rem could do this, and I want to believe she is too noble for her own good. She got scared when faced with the threat that Misa would survive. Then die if she would convince Misa let L live, so took the path of least resistance and killed him and Watari at the cost of her own life rather than take time to dump Light.plan out an alternate strategy such as you suggested.
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*** It is also for this reason that Shinigami who drop a Death Note into the human world *must* stalk the human. They have to make sure of two things: 1) That the Death Note is used for it's intended purpose of killing people, and 2) that the Shinigami can reclaim the Death Note one way or the other.
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*** It is also for this reason that Shinigami who drop a Death Note into the human world *must* stalk the human. They have to make sure of two things: 1) That the Death Note is used for it's its intended purpose of killing people, and 2) that the Shinigami can reclaim the Death Note one way or the other.
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** The Shinigami King makes the rules, and the 2020 oneshot proved that he's petty enough to make up a new one on the fly just because the person selling the notebook didn't use it first. Odds are he just likes things done a certain way.
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[[folder:L: I am justice... even though I don't care about justice and and am more interested in the thrill ]]
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* FoeYay aside, Does Light like or respect L at all? I mean sometimes he talks like L is a pathetic worm beneath his feet, other times he looks back on him almost fondly, like with Near. Has there ever been WordOfGod on this? Or is there something I'm missing?
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* FoeYay aside, Does Light like or respect L at all? I mean sometimes he talks like L is a pathetic worm beneath his feet, other times he looks back on him almost fondly, like with Near. Has there ever been WordOfGod on this? Or is there something I'm missing?
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** Rem could do this, and I want to believe she would survive. Then she would convince Misa to dump Light.
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* I was under the impression that the people who shot Matt were not police officers, but rather Takada's own small army of bodyguards. That certainly explains their ruthlessness and speaks volumes of how above-the-law everything Kira-related has become.
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* Considering his brilliant mind and how thorough he is with his investigations, it is really surprising that L didn't go through all the clues of the case after he had learnt shinigami were real. Particularly noteworthy are the facts that the second Kira had stated ''on TV'' that both Kiras would be able to recognize each other thanks to their shinigamis (invisible to all but them), and also that in the interrogation room Misa clearly started having a one-sided conversation (or was talking to something only she could see). This last bit, even without having the strand of hair moving on its own, should have stood out to L's attention in hindsight. The true question then is whether Rem would have been caught on camera or not, and if so, then the game is truly over since she mentioned Light ''by name''.
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** So “L” is childish and hates losing - but being older, he should know that people in his line of work are expected to act like adults. Even if it’s a case of “Tolerated for their skills” (Very much TruthInTelevision), the second it becomes a detriment, such as, say, broadcasting information that should be classified while millions of people are watching, you’ll either get tossed out of the investigation or worse. This is why PR and coaches exist. When people are in charge of an organisation and have traits like this, it can cause a ''lot'' of problems.
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[[folder: Where did Raye get his certifications from?]]
Because regardless of the whole bus hijacking incident, shouldn't he know that it's not a good idea to identify yourself ''to a suspect''? Sure, [[FourthWallMyopia we know why it was a bad idea as Light needs the name and the face while he doesn't]], but part of Raye's training as an undercover agent should have included knowing that you do ''not'' have to identify yourself if someone asks "Are you a cop?". Sure, maybe he could have simply said "Watch this. FREEZE! FBI!" instead of handing Light his creentials and simply be reassigned as Light ''knows'' that person works for the FBI and can identify his physical features.
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Because regardless of the whole bus hijacking incident, shouldn't he know that it's not a good idea to identify yourself ''to a suspect''? Sure, [[FourthWallMyopia we know why it was a bad idea as Light needs the name and the face while he doesn't]], but part of Raye's training as an undercover agent should have included knowing that you do ''not'' have to identify yourself if someone asks "Are you a cop?". Sure, maybe he could have simply said "Watch this. FREEZE! FBI!" instead of handing Light his creentials and simply be reassigned as Light ''knows'' that person works for the FBI and can identify his physical features.
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** Even taking the above into account Light still has a perfectly valid reason to be upset with L [[spoiler: for making his father perform a mock execution, pretending to shoot him in the head.]] After that any sane person probably wouldn't be too eager to be friends with L but Light is all like "I'm working with L! Awesome! I'm so happy, BFFs forever!" on the very next page. Light is most likely either utilizing his acting talents or the "sane" part still doesn't apply to him.
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** Even taking the above into account Light still has a perfectly valid reason to be upset with L [[spoiler: for making his father perform a mock execution, pretending to shoot him in the head.]] After that any sane person probably wouldn't be too eager to be friends with L but Light is all like "I'm working with L! Awesome! I'm so happy, BFFs [=BFFs=] forever!" on the very next page. Light is most likely either utilizing his acting talents or the "sane" part still doesn't apply to him.
