History Headscratchers / DawnOfWar

21st Aug '16 12:34:51 AM Wolf101
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:


[[folder:Grey Knights on Kronus]]

* So, Grey Knights were accompanying the Blood Ravens to Kronus. Under normal circumstances I'd say "Fair enough, there are daemons all over the place", but given that the Blood Ravens mission was to cover up some less-than-honourable secrets I can't help but think bringing a militant arm of the Inquisition would be counter-productive. Also, I can't help but think there's a far more rational Imperial force they could ally themselves with if they insisted on being there.

[[/folder]]
4th Jul '16 10:06:15 AM CareerKnight
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:


[[/folder]]

[[folder:Dawn of War II Eliphas]]
20th Mar '16 12:13:30 PM BlackSunNocturne
Is there an issue? Send a Message


** Going back to the original table top fluff, Terminator armor was originally designed for use in boarding actions (and other similarly enclosed spaces). As such most of the weapons available to it are designed for fighting waves of infantry in an enclosed space. The Assault Cannon, Storm Bolter and Heavy Flamer are all geared towards this, maximizing rate of fire and anti-infantry damage at the cost of range and anti-vehicle capability, the power fist or chain fist for a secondary weapon is there primarily to allow the Terminator to knock his way through a sealed door or a wall if required (Sargeants get Power Swords which are less useful but are mostly a symbol of rank). Similarly the default melee option (Thunder Hammer and Storm Shield) is designed to maximize protection to fire from in front of a Terminator while he advances down a corridor to take out a strong point. The only Terminator weapons that don't really fit with this are the Cyclone Missile Launcher and Lightning Claws, I'm not aware of any fluff regarding these but my assumption is that they were later add-ons designed to give Terminators a bit more flexibility when they started getting deployed in open terrain. TL;DR version: Terminators are specialists and their weapon options reflect this.

to:

** Going back to the original table top fluff, Terminator armor was originally designed for use in boarding actions (and other similarly enclosed spaces). As such most of the weapons available to it are designed for fighting waves of infantry in an enclosed space. The Assault Cannon, Storm Bolter and Heavy Flamer are all geared towards this, maximizing rate of fire and anti-infantry damage at the cost of range and anti-vehicle capability, the power fist or chain fist for a secondary weapon is there primarily to allow the Terminator to knock his way through a sealed door or a wall if required (Sargeants (Sergeants get Power Swords which are less useful but are mostly a symbol of rank). Similarly the default melee option (Thunder Hammer and Storm Shield) is designed to maximize protection to fire from in front of a Terminator while he advances down a corridor to take out a strong point. The only Terminator weapons that don't really fit with this are the Cyclone Missile Launcher and Lightning Claws, I'm not aware of any fluff regarding these but my assumption is that they were later add-ons designed to give Terminators a bit more flexibility when they started getting deployed in open terrain. TL;DR version: Terminators are specialists and their weapon options reflect this.
*** Just gonna point this out: Lightning Claws fill a similar role to Power Fists and Chainfists. They're for brutally effective melee combat and making mince-meat out of armoured and unarmoured targets (amusingly, Lightning Claws aren't that good against ''other'' Terminators).
22nd Nov '15 11:16:56 AM dvorak
Is there an issue? Send a Message



to:

*** Remember Eliphas' OhNoNotAgain when the Daemon Prince gives him the gears for losing? He was in the Basilica of Torment for losing at the Siege if Terra as well.
20th Nov '15 3:21:41 PM CountDorku
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

*** The Literature/HorusHeresy novels aren't finished yet. We know that the Alpha Legion ''started'' by turning against the Emperor in order to defeat Chaos from within in a long, humanity-annihilating game. We ''don't'' know that this is where they finished, and there's been foreshadowing that Chaotic influence is seeping in (Omegon plotting against Alpharius in ''The Primarchs'', for example). And even if the Legion as a whole remains comparatively pure (unlikely, given that they do suffer from mutations in their Index Astartes article), there could very easily be splinter groups that have fallen into the hands of the Dark Gods while going undercover in Chaos parties.
7th Nov '15 12:51:51 PM littlebeeper
Is there an issue? Send a Message


** The Tau do not have noses. The Tau are fighting every other faction in the galaxy, who have noses. The sentence "We (noseless Tau) will steal right from under their (nose-having aliens) nosess" therefore makes sense.

to:

** The Tau do not have noses. The Tau are fighting every other faction in the galaxy, who have noses. The sentence "We (noseless Tau) will steal right from under their (nose-having aliens) nosess" noses" therefore makes sense.
30th Oct '15 5:18:07 PM Discar
Is there an issue? Send a Message


*** No, only Chaos Marines. That's why the only Marines still alive from the Heresy are are Chaos Marines, except for all the people still alive since then of course.
*** The only known loyalist Marine still in existence from the time of the Heresy is Bjorn the Fell-Handed, a Space Wolf. And he's been a Dreadnought (i.e., technically dead) for millennia now. Even in his current resurrected state his years weigh heavily on him and he's inactive most of the time.

to:

*** ** No, only Chaos Marines. That's why the only Marines still alive from the Heresy are are Chaos Marines, except for all the people still alive since then of course.
*** ** The only known loyalist Marine still in existence from the time of the Heresy is Bjorn the Fell-Handed, a Space Wolf. And he's been a Dreadnought (i.e., technically dead) for millennia now. Even in his current resurrected state his years weigh heavily on him and he's inactive most of the time.



*** The intro for the Chaos Campaign says he was an Aspiring Chaos Champion. After the whole 'Basilica of Torment' thing, he spent his time becoming an Exalted Chaos Lord.
*** There weren't Aspiring Champions before the Heresy. He was probably a squad sergeant. which would have been (and still is, in loyalist chapters) the equivalent.

to:

*** ** The intro for the Chaos Campaign says he was an Aspiring Chaos Champion. After the whole 'Basilica of Torment' thing, he spent his time becoming an Exalted Chaos Lord.
*** ** There weren't Aspiring Champions before the Heresy. He was probably a squad sergeant. which would have been (and still is, in loyalist chapters) the equivalent.



*** That would make sense if the being giving Sindri his power boost was the Maldedictum demon, as opposed to Khorne; Khorne plays chess by flipping the board over and punching you in the face. I guess we can assume that Sindri never actually became a Daemon Prince, he was just boosted by the Maledictum demon to absurd proportions in order to get one last big bloodbath.

to:

*** ** That would make sense if the being giving Sindri his power boost was the Maldedictum demon, as opposed to Khorne; Khorne plays chess by flipping the board over and punching you in the face. I guess we can assume that Sindri never actually became a Daemon Prince, he was just boosted by the Maledictum demon to absurd proportions in order to get one last big bloodbath.
29th Oct '15 6:10:22 PM Conradus
Is there an issue? Send a Message


*** The only known loyalist Marine still in existence from the time of the Heresy is Bjorn the Fell-Handed, a Space Wolf. And he's been a Dreadnought (i.e., technically dead) for millennia now. Even in his current resurrected state his years weight heavily on him and he's inactive most of the time.

to:

*** The only known loyalist Marine still in existence from the time of the Heresy is Bjorn the Fell-Handed, a Space Wolf. And he's been a Dreadnought (i.e., technically dead) for millennia now. Even in his current resurrected state his years weight weigh heavily on him and he's inactive most of the time.
29th Oct '15 6:09:16 PM Conradus
Is there an issue? Send a Message


** No only Chaos Marines that's why the only Marines still alive from the Heresy are are Chaos Marines, except for all the people still alive since then of course.
** The only known loyalist Marine still in existence from the time of the Heresy is Bjorn the Fell-Handed, a Space Wolf. And he's now a Dreadnought (i.e., technically dead). Even in his current resurrected state his years weight heavily on him and he's inactive most of the time.

to:

** No *** No, only Chaos Marines that's Marines. That's why the only Marines still alive from the Heresy are are Chaos Marines, except for all the people still alive since then of course.
** *** The only known loyalist Marine still in existence from the time of the Heresy is Bjorn the Fell-Handed, a Space Wolf. And he's now been a Dreadnought (i.e., technically dead).dead) for millennia now. Even in his current resurrected state his years weight heavily on him and he's inactive most of the time.



** The intro for the Chaos Campaign says he was an Aspiring Chaos Champion. After the whole 'Basilica of Torment' thing, he spent his time becoming an Exalted Chaos Lord.

to:

** *** The intro for the Chaos Campaign says he was an Aspiring Chaos Champion. After the whole 'Basilica of Torment' thing, he spent his time becoming an Exalted Chaos Lord.
*** There weren't Aspiring Champions before the Heresy. He was probably a squad sergeant. which would have been (and still is, in loyalist chapters) the equivalent.
29th Oct '15 6:05:19 PM Conradus
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

** The only known loyalist Marine still in existence from the time of the Heresy is Bjorn the Fell-Handed, a Space Wolf. And he's now a Dreadnought (i.e., technically dead). Even in his current resurrected state his years weight heavily on him and he's inactive most of the time.
This list shows the last 10 events of 204. Show all.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Headscratchers.DawnOfWar