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** The Starglass will return her to the future when her task is done, as it did with Lin.
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** I simply assumed that was a vision of them finally being together in death, rather than being sent back into the past. This is sort of supported by at least 2 characters in the town mentioning Rando and/or La Saia after the boss battle
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** I simply assumed that was a vision of them finally being [[TogetherInDeath together in death, death]], rather than being sent back into the past. This is sort of supported by at least 2 characters in the town mentioning Rando and/or La Saia after the boss battle
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** I just assumed she wasn't planning on getting back. She's staying with Max for good.
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** I just assumed she She wasn't planning on getting back. She's staying with Max for good.
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** At the same time, she also retains some of her cat features: claws, fur, tail. Her eyes may also still look feline.
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** At the same time, she also retains some of her cat features: claws, ears, fur, tail. Her eyes may also still look feline.
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** At the same time, she also retains some of her cat features: claws, fur, tail. Her eyes may also still look feline.
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** We get no indication of just what features did and did not transfer over in the change aside from the ears, tail, and agility. She could very well have human vision in her human form.
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** By this logic, she should only be able to go "meow," yet she speaks. We get no indication of just what features did and did not transfer transferred over in the change aside from the ears, tail, and agility. She could very well have human vision in her human form.
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** We get no indication of just what features did and did not transfer over in the change aside from the ears, tail, and agility. She could very well have human vision in her human form.
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This troper —> I because we\'re supposed to do that now.
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** This Troper simply assumed that was a vision of them finally being together in death, rather than being sent back into the past. This is sort of supported by at least 2 characters in the town mentioning Rando and/or La Saia after the boss battle
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** This Troper I simply assumed that was a vision of them finally being together in death, rather than being sent back into the past. This is sort of supported by at least 2 characters in the town mentioning Rando and/or La Saia after the boss battle
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Attempting to turn Starglass natter into a cohesive paragraph, while keeping the important bits of said natter. Let me know how I did.
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* In the [[BonusDungeon Zelmite Mines]] of Dark Cloud 2 Monica comes back using that Hourglass thing that goes back in time to "[[DoubleEntendre check up]] on max" or whatever. But you see here is the problem with this, that Hourglass is a one use, one way ticket throw away item so how the hell is she going to get [[IncrediblyLamePun back to the future]]? Note: After beating the game your Atlamillia's time travel kinda stops working.
** That's because [[spoiler:Max and Monica]] destroy them themselves during the final battle with [[spoiler:Sirus]] which makes it impossible for [[spoiler:Max to be wearing his as he writes in his letter to his mother]]. Also, [[spoiler:Time travel is forbidden in the True Future.]]
** That just compounds the fridge logic because that would make Monica a fugitive because she knowingly went back in time again even though it is illegal. The problem is how she is going to go back to her own time which is the future, because she used an item that only goes back in time to the past because they don't have the maguffins anymore. This isn't even going into Max's existance.
*** Well, [[spoiler:Lin/Crest]] gave Monica the [[spoiler:Starglass]], so that makes us have 2 fugitives right there. Say, wasn't time travel forbidden in [[spoiler:Seda's]] time too? Also, because [[spoiler:a Starglass returns a person to a time of great personal significance]], shouldn't Monica have arrived [[spoiler:''before'' she left, leading to two Monicas in the same timeline]]?
*** Dunno about the two Monicas, but as for how she got back, maybe she arranged for Osmond to come get her in the Ixion at a predetermined time. I mean, as long as you're breaking the rule about not traveling through time, might as well go all the way right?
*** Directly stated by Monica herself that she used a Starglass. Which returns the user to a time of great significance to them. There's also very direct evidence of two Lins in her subplot.
** That's because [[spoiler:Max and Monica]] destroy them themselves during the final battle with [[spoiler:Sirus]] which makes it impossible for [[spoiler:Max to be wearing his as he writes in his letter to his mother]]. Also, [[spoiler:Time travel is forbidden in the True Future.]]
** That just compounds the fridge logic because that would make Monica a fugitive because she knowingly went back in time again even though it is illegal. The problem is how she is going to go back to her own time which is the future, because she used an item that only goes back in time to the past because they don't have the maguffins anymore. This isn't even going into Max's existance.
*** Well, [[spoiler:Lin/Crest]] gave Monica the [[spoiler:Starglass]], so that makes us have 2 fugitives right there. Say, wasn't time travel forbidden in [[spoiler:Seda's]] time too? Also, because [[spoiler:a Starglass returns a person to a time of great personal significance]], shouldn't Monica have arrived [[spoiler:''before'' she left, leading to two Monicas in the same timeline]]?
*** Dunno about the two Monicas, but as for how she got back, maybe she arranged for Osmond to come get her in the Ixion at a predetermined time. I mean, as long as you're breaking the rule about not traveling through time, might as well go all the way right?
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* In the [[BonusDungeon Zelmite Mines]] of Dark Cloud 2 ''Chronicle'' Monica comes back using that Hourglass thing that goes back in time a Starglass given to her by Crest!Lin to "[[DoubleEntendre check up]] on max" Max" or whatever. But you see here is the One problem with this, that Hourglass arises is a one use, one way ticket throw away that because this item so returns the user to a time of great signifigance to them, how the hell is she going to get [[IncrediblyLamePun back to the future]]? Note: After beating the game your Atlamillia's time travel kinda stops working.
** That'sAtlamillias no longer exist because [[spoiler:Max and Monica]] destroy you destroyed them themselves during in the final battle with [[spoiler:Sirus]] which makes Sirus, making it impossible for [[spoiler:Max Max to be wearing his as (as he writes in claims) at the time of writing his letter to his mother]]. Also, [[spoiler:Time mother. Further compounding this is the fact that time travel is forbidden was made illegal in the True Future.]]
** That just compounds the fridge logic because that would makeMonica's new time. This makes both Crest and Monica a fugitive because she knowingly went back in time again even though it is illegal. criminals. The problem is how she is going to go back to her own time which is the future, because she used an item Lin subplot confirmed that only goes back her Starglass use resulted in time to two instances of her existing at the past because they don't have the maguffins anymore. This isn't even going into same time, so wouldn't something similar happen to Monica? Max's existance.
*** Well, [[spoiler:Lin/Crest]] gaveexistence is sort of established in both the way Monica remembers what is originally history to her and the [[spoiler:Starglass]], so that makes us have 2 fugitives right there. Say, ripple effects of the "true" timeline somehow keeping Elena aware of both of them. Come to think of it, wasn't time travel forbidden illegal in [[spoiler:Seda's]] time Seda's era too? Also, because [[spoiler:a Starglass returns a person to a time of great personal significance]], shouldn't Perhaps Monica have arrived [[spoiler:''before'' she left, leading made an arrangement with Osmond, who doesn't seem too fond of rules he doesn't agree with in either game, to two Monicas in the same timeline]]?
*** Dunno about the two Monicas, but as for how she got back, maybe she arranged for Osmond to come getpick her up in the Ixion at a predetermined time. I mean, as long as you're breaking the rule about not traveling through time, might as well go all the way right?
*** Directly stated by Monica herself that she used a Starglass.Which returns raises the user question of how he'd know when to a time of great significance to them. There's also very direct evidence of two Lins in pick her subplot.up.
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* In the [[BonusDungeon Zelmite Mines]] of Dark Cloud 2 Monica comes back using that Hourglass thing that goes back in time to "[[IfYouKnowWhatIMean "[[DoubleEntendre check up]] on max" or whatever. But you see here is the problem with this, that Hourglass is a one use, one way ticket throw away item so how the hell is she going to get [[IncrediblyLamePun back to the future]]? Note: After beating the game your Atlamillia's time travel kinda stops working.
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** His father was stated to be an adventurer. Maybe his father was from a village where everyone looked elfy, and Toan got it from him.
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** We could be seeing the dungeon from our own point of view rather than Xiao's.
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** They could be reading the same text but learning different things from them. When two people read a book they don't always pay attention to the same details (a mechanically minded person like Max would probably think about how the technology in the book would work while Monica may spend time looking at the different species in the book).
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** I just assumed she wasn't planning on getting back. She's staying with Max for good.
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* Xiao started life as a cat, right? So why is it in the [[BlackoutBasement Back Floor]] of the Demon Shaft, her radius of light is exactly the same size as everyone else's? Can't cats see in the dark?
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* Xiao started life as a cat, right? So why is it in the [[BlackoutBasement Back Floor]] of the Demon Shaft, her radius of light is exactly the same size as everyone else's? Can't cats see in the dark?dark?
* TemporalParadox: If breaking the Life Sphere returns Rando and La Saia to the day they were suppossed to get married and they [[TimeTravelTenseTrouble do/did]] so, shouldn't the Shipwreck dungeon cease to exist because La Saia never committed suicide?
** This Troper simply assumed that was a vision of them finally being together in death, rather than being sent back into the past. This is sort of supported by at least 2 characters in the town mentioning Rando and/or La Saia after the boss battle
* TemporalParadox: If breaking the Life Sphere returns Rando and La Saia to the day they were suppossed to get married and they [[TimeTravelTenseTrouble do/did]] so, shouldn't the Shipwreck dungeon cease to exist because La Saia never committed suicide?
** This Troper simply assumed that was a vision of them finally being together in death, rather than being sent back into the past. This is sort of supported by at least 2 characters in the town mentioning Rando and/or La Saia after the boss battle
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* Monica Raybrandt can [[InASingleBound Anime Leap]] in cutscenes, yet cannot jump even a tiny gap in actual play. It gets really silly in Starlight Canyon when the randomly generated levels produces a piece of land 3 feet from another piece of land with no joining bridge at this point, forcing characters to take the long way around.
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* Monica Raybrandt can [[InASingleBound Anime Leap]] in cutscenes, yet cannot jump even a tiny gap in actual play. It gets really silly in Starlight Canyon when the randomly generated levels produces a piece of land 3 feet from another piece of land with no joining bridge at this point, forcing characters to take the long way around.around.
* Xiao started life as a cat, right? So why is it in the [[BlackoutBasement Back Floor]] of the Demon Shaft, her radius of light is exactly the same size as everyone else's? Can't cats see in the dark?
* Xiao started life as a cat, right? So why is it in the [[BlackoutBasement Back Floor]] of the Demon Shaft, her radius of light is exactly the same size as everyone else's? Can't cats see in the dark?
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*** Dunno about the two Monicas, but as for how she got back, maybe she arranged for Osmond to come get her in the Ixion at a predetermined time. I mean, as long as your breaking the rule about not traveling through time, might as well go all the way right?
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*** Dunno about the two Monicas, but as for how she got back, maybe she arranged for Osmond to come get her in the Ixion at a predetermined time. I mean, as long as your you're breaking the rule about not traveling through time, might as well go all the way right?
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*** Dunno about the two Monicas, but as for how she got back, maybe she arranged for Osmond to come get her in the Ixion at a predetermined time. I mean, as long as your breaking the rule about not traveling through time, might as well go all the way right?
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* Monica Raybrandt can [[InASingleBound Anime Leap]] in cutscenes, yet cannot jump even a tiny gap in actual play.
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* In the first game, if the allies can only be "summoned" in dungeons, how does Toan get to where his ally was standing? Didn't the Fairy King himself say "Mind Connect" doesn't work if there are still monsters?
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* In the first game, if the allies can only be "summoned" in dungeons, how does Toan get to where his ally was standing? Didn't the Fairy King himself say "Mind Connect" doesn't work if there are still monsters?monsters?
* Monica Raybrandt can [[InASingleBound Anime Leap]] in cutscenes, yet cannot jump even a tiny gap in actual play.
* Monica Raybrandt can [[InASingleBound Anime Leap]] in cutscenes, yet cannot jump even a tiny gap in actual play.
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* In the first game, if the allies can only be "summoned" in dungeons, how does Toan get to where his ally was standing? Didn't the Fairy King himself say "Mind Connect" doesn't work if there are still monsters?
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* The annoying pixel bitching about where Xiao needs to be standing to make her jumps to the intermediate point of a jump with something in the middle. Shipwreck was cruel about this: not only did you need to be standing the right distance away, you also had to be standing dead center.
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* What is up with all of the parentheses on the main page?!
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* What is up with all of the parentheses on the main page?!this I hear about a glitch destroying my +Health and +Defense in Dark Cloud 2?
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* What is up with all of the parentheses on the main page?!
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** One primary reason is that "Dark Cloud 2" is really "Dark Chronicle" and not a true sequel. It takes the same premise but executes it differently.
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*Why is Toan the only character who looks like an elf in what is clearly a Mexican-themed village?