History Headscratchers / Collar6

*** An AssPull, or FridgeBrilliance? In alot of ways this comic is intentionally following the structure of a long-running anime (ie DragonBall, OnePiece, {{Naruto}}, etc.), but placed in a BDSM world. The sudden introduction of more powerful techniques and new characters and classes of characters is actually a staple of that type of story, as are [[ChekhovsGun Chekhov's Guns]] that don't come up again for very long periods of time.

** It sounds more like defending it as being "like a shonen manga" is just a quick HandWave to explain anything that bothers the rest of the audience, ignoring that not only does the genre have its own flaws (especially if Collar6 is somehow paying homage by REPEATING EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM), but that DragonBallZ, Naruto, Bleach, and the like are NOT the only shonen comics that exist. DeathNote is shonen without having these same plot flaws, for instance...

* Why is it that only two males ever shown in the proper webcomic are not idiots, crude and disgusting voyeurs, polygamous misogynous assholes with god complexes, or some combination of the three? And of those two, only one had a speaking part? If the author is a man, why is he so hell-bent on making his own sex look like the scum of the earth? There's making it a BDSM LadyLand PinkBishoujoGhetto, and then there's actively disparaging half of the world's population at almost every opportunity. Seriously, if you're going to put in disgusting-bordering-on-bastard men, put in a lot more normal ones please, so the readers know that, in your fantasy world, men are not predominantly assholes.

** I could handle the railroading if the plot was at least going in an entertaining direction. Is anyone else disappointed that the strips spent on "Everyone is Butterfly's prisoner" has been more about Butterfly's gloating and less use of gratuitous fucking machines, or at least some of that mother-daughter action Butterfly threatened?

* Does anyone else feel Butterfly has, since the spanking competition and in every strip she appears in thereafter, veered rapidly into BoringInvincibleVillain territory? I'm finding it harder and harder to read a strip I used to thoroughly enjoy because it seems every development that introduces a new level of power in the series exists solely to be trounced by Butterfly, who has as yet never been handed a real loss outside throwing the spanking competition to duke it out with a Judicatrix.

* [[ThisIsSparta Why. Has. Wepons tech. NOT STAGNATED?]] There's no wars, there's no reason to improve beyind bows and knives (although the liquid rubber restraint grenades fit the whole "submission" thing)). Gunpowder tech shouldn't have gotten past fireworks, and yet they have guns (which were outlawed in1900, so no research should have been going into them, but Sixx's mum has a Glock). I can't wait to hear the VoodooShark for this one.

* [[ThisIsSparta Why. Has. Wepons tech. NOT STAGNATED?]] There's no wars, there's no reason to improve beyind bows and knives (although the liquid rubber restraint grenades fit the whole "submission" thing)). Gunpowder tech shouldn't have gotten past fireworks, and yet they have guns (which were outlawed in1900, so no research should have been going into them, but Sixx's mum has a Glock). I can't wait to hear the VoodooShark for this one.

** Although that might explain why, with a lack of wars, the world hasn't become overpopulated yet... most of the girls are lesbians who don't reproduce because the men are too disgusting.

*** Except that this term is used in the community to mean the phycological headspace that Subs enter. While this may be ahint for some, the target audience would be all at sea...

** I depends. While what we've seen up till now is a slave promising to forever be with one mistress/master, there can be casual dommes, in it for the money. Not been introduced, but I don't rule it out.

** Since when do comics get called out for their flaws. Flaws are perceived by the individual reader. What you think is bad, isn't what someone else considers bad. What you call "a free pass on every flaw" is just people not agreeing with you. Why make such a point of calling out a comic whenever it does something you don't like?

** It sounds more like defending it as being "like a shonen manga" is just a quick HandWave to explain anything that bothers the rest of the audience, ignoring that not only does the genre have its own flaws (especially if Collar6 is somehow paying homage by REPEATING EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM), but that DragonBallZ, Naruto, Bleach, and the like are NOT the only shonen comics that exist. DeathNote is shonen without having these same plot flaws, for instance...

** Also the whole "guns are barbaric, we outlawed them a century ago!" thing, coupled with Wolf immediately [[SuspicouslySpecificDenial denying that he has any political opinion on guns]]....

* What, exactly, was the point of "Owned"? Nothing really happened, and we didn't learn anything about he universe...

** Since when do comics get called out for their flaws. Flaws are perceived by the individual reader. What you think is bad, isn't what someone else considers bad. What you call "a free pass on every flaw" is just people not agreeing with you. Why make such a point of calling out a comic whenever it does something you don't like?

** I'd have bought the line if she just called it a {{Cult}}. (Actually, that would explain a lot about the island anyway...)

* Why does "It's like a Shonen manga" get this comic a free pass on every flaw?

* "That sounds like a male orientated religious society alright." How common are those exactly??

*** Forget the ObsfucatingStupidity, that's not necessary. Butterfly was clearly not expecting the switch. Why should she instantly realise all the implications of this? ExactWords and ReadTheFinePrint are tropes for a reason, this kind of thing happens all the time.

*** An AssPull, or FridgeBrilliance? In alot of ways this comic is intentionally following the structure of a long-running anime (ie DragonBall, OnePiece, {{Naruto}}, etc.), but placed in a BDSM world. The sudden introduction of more powerful techniques and new characters and classes of characters is actually a staple of that type of story, as are [[ChekovsGun Checkov's Guns]] that don't come up again for very long periods of time.

*** I think it likely will become a major plot point, but that's ok, because that's pretty much how Shonen's work: When a new arc starts, you get tons of new information about stuff that wasn't even hinted at before. Think about Freeza in DragonballZ, think about the Sound village in Naruto, etc. Wolf is following that style, intentionally.

** I think it's just you, because that's not what AssPull means. If this becomes a central plot element, you might have a point, but as it is it looks like it'll just be Laura's backstory and we'll never see the place again. Abrupt, but not an AssPull.

* Is it just me, or is the [[http://collar6.com/2011/collar-6-211 revelation of dreamland for males]] an even more massive AssPull than all of the previous [[AssPull AssPulls]] put together? Not to mention, among the rest of the mess that came out of that ass, something in there looks very much like a [[JumpingTheShark shark]].

* Is it just me, or is Sixx's (Michelle's) constant apologetic attitude as of late grinding the comic to a halt?

** Really? You think they're going to read about the psychic powers, the city/county sized governments consisting entirely of fetishists, 24/7 fetish gear, and stadiums full of people showing up for spanking matches and say to themselves "well this seems realistic"?