History Headscratchers / CodeGeassCodeAndGeassMechanics

9th Jan '16 4:31:50 PM TVRulezAgain
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** Maybe her limbs would individually pull themselves back together, like [[StarWarsCloneWars Durge]].
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** Maybe her limbs would individually pull themselves back together, like [[StarWarsCloneWars [[WesternAnimation/StarWarsCloneWars Durge]].
26th Dec '15 5:42:07 PM tf141soldier
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* What happens if two Geass users have a "command type" power and give conflicting orders to an individual (ie: Lelouch used his Geass on Suzaku to order him to live in R1. What if Shin Hyuga Shaingu orders him to die? Who's Geass takes precedence?)
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* What happens if two Geass users have a "command type" power and give conflicting orders to an individual (ie: Lelouch used his Geass on Suzaku to order him to live in R1. What if Shin Hyuga Shaingu orders him to die? Who's Geass takes precedence?)precedence?) ** The duality would likely cause both Geass powers to cancel each other out, returning Suzaku to his normal self.
24th Oct '15 6:47:56 AM Morgenthaler
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Misuse. It's Genre Savvy, not just "savvy".
** Problem is Vimes' men are more GenreSavvy than that. By the time he started issuing genocide orders, Carrot, Aunga and Detrius would have him bound, gagged, and halfway to the Unseen University. Ponder Stibbons would take a great interest but have no insight whatsoever, Ridicully would do something funny, Colon would make a poor attempt as the bad cop in the "Good Cop Bad Cop" routine. Then Ventari would confront Lelouch (wearing a blindfold, obviously), while Lenoard of Quirm would send Nobby and Colon in his "[[TimeMachine Go Backwards In Time And Hopefully Not Kill Your Own Grandfather Device]]", where the two would specatualarly fail to change the past. Then some other stuff would happen and... um, never mind. Got off track there for a moment.
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** Problem is Vimes' men are more GenreSavvy smarter than that. By the time he started issuing genocide orders, Carrot, Aunga and Detrius would have him bound, gagged, and halfway to the Unseen University. Ponder Stibbons would take a great interest but have no insight whatsoever, Ridicully would do something funny, Colon would make a poor attempt as the bad cop in the "Good Cop Bad Cop" routine. Then Ventari would confront Lelouch (wearing a blindfold, obviously), while Lenoard of Quirm would send Nobby and Colon in his "[[TimeMachine Go Backwards In Time And Hopefully Not Kill Your Own Grandfather Device]]", where the two would specatualarly fail to change the past. Then some other stuff would happen and... um, never mind. Got off track there for a moment.
24th May '15 6:40:52 PM AzraelIshi
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***And this is actually confirmed when [[spoiler:C.C. lost her memories and reverted back to being that slave girl]]. When [[spoiler:Lelouch]] brings her food, we can hear a very loud [[GrowlingGut growl from her stomach]], indicating she is hungry.
11th Apr '15 6:56:22 PM Constructman
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** It ends up killing him when he tries to do it repeatedly. The scene where he helps Lelouch escape shows him visibly struggling to use his powers. He even tries to activate it at one point during his escape and fails to.
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** It ends up killing him when he tries to do it repeatedly. The scene where he helps Lelouch escape shows him visibly struggling to use his powers. He even tries to activate it at one point during his escape and fails to.to. * What happens if two Geass users have a "command type" power and give conflicting orders to an individual (ie: Lelouch used his Geass on Suzaku to order him to live in R1. What if Shin Hyuga Shaingu orders him to die? Who's Geass takes precedence?)
23rd Jan '15 12:10:52 AM Calandir
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* If Rolo's Geass stops his heart every time he uses it, how the hell can he use it for ''30 seconds'' and not die?
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* If Rolo's Geass stops his heart every time he uses it, how the hell can he use it for ''30 seconds'' and not die?die? ** It ends up killing him when he tries to do it repeatedly. The scene where he helps Lelouch escape shows him visibly struggling to use his powers. He even tries to activate it at one point during his escape and fails to.
19th Sep '14 1:03:55 PM thedude14
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** The collective unconscious seems to be a composite entity with a will of its own, wherein every personality to ever exist is merely a small part of a whole. The collective unconscious ''underscores'' the mind of every human (hence the term "unconscious"), but it doesn't actually ''represent'' their individual will.
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** The collective unconscious seems to be a composite entity with a will of its own, wherein every personality to ever exist is merely a small part of a whole. The collective unconscious ''underscores'' the mind of every human (hence the term "unconscious"), but it doesn't actually ''represent'' their individual will.will. * If Rolo's Geass stops his heart every time he uses it, how the hell can he use it for ''30 seconds'' and not die?
11th Oct '13 12:13:08 AM TheRoguePenguin
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pay attention to what you're doing
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** The way I took it was this: the [[spoiler:Collective Consciousness]] was merely an inactive force, and Charles and Marianne's plan was to build a "bridge" to it then use the power of the Codes to force humanity to be totally honest. Lelouch argued that such a plan would destroy any future for humanity and Geassed the [[spoiler:Collective Consciousness]] to not let that happen. This results in the [[spoiler:Collective Consciousness]] absorbing Charles and Marianne (since C's World seems to be a spiritual realm rather than a physical one), preventing them from completing their plan. Note that Marianne seems shocked that C.C. isn't being absorbed, but she explains this by saying that she rejected their plan a long time ago, meaning the [[spoiler:Collective Consciousness]] doesn't see her as a threat.

with the command for people to be Lelouch's slaves.
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* Outside of the moral concerns, I have some problems with Lelouch being able to use his geass to make people slaves [[spoiler: and to a lesser extent what he did to Schneizel]]. Given that the power is one use only for him, to give a command like that is almost like the proverbial "wishing for unlimited wishes" concept- you would think it is not an option. I'd expect, that for the command to work, it would render whoever he does that to incapable of anyting, even using the bathroom or breathing without Lelouch's command. [[spoiler: Ordering Schneizel to obey Zero]] makes a bit more sense, since the phrasing implies that the command makes the person have enormous good will towards Lelouch and thus they can still think independently while being ultra-loyal. At best, maybe this is what is supposed to have happened with the command for people to be Lelouch's slaves.

Geass works as advertised when we see it from his point of view but it's frequently done improperly (i.e. it looks like he's warping and nothing else moves) when shown from anyone else's point of view. Of course, even that's not always the case (e.g. when [[spoiler:he Geasses girls at the school in episode 12 of R2, they stopped moving completely instead of falling due to their momentum]]). The definitely explained how Rolo's Geass works, so that's quite clear, but they don't always follow those rules when showing him use it.
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** They are not at all consistent with how Rolo's Geass works. Rolo should have clearly died in episode 2 of R2. [[spoiler:When Urabe stabs Rolo's mech and explodes, Rolo survives thanks to his Geass by "warping" out of the way. However, as his Geass doesn't actually stop time, he shouldn't have been able to get away from that explosion. While everyone else's perception may have been stopped, the explosion wouldn't have been.]] However, at other times, his Geass has worked exactly like it's supposed to. For instance, [[spoiler:when he Geassed Suzaku in episode 6 of R2 so that Lelouch could speak with Nunnally and when he helped Lelouch escape in episode 19.]] Sometimes Rolo's Geass works as advertised and sometimes it's more like he's warping around. If anything, I'd say that what is generally the case is that Rolo's Geass works as advertised when we see it from his point of view but it's frequently done improperly (i.e. it looks like he's warping and nothing else moves) when shown from anyone else's point of view. Of course, even that's not always the case (e.g. when [[spoiler:he Geasses girls at the school in episode 12 of R2, they stopped moving completely instead of falling due to their momentum]]). The definitely explained how Rolo's Geass works, so that's quite clear, but they don't always follow those rules when showing him use it.

directly affected by a Geass. definitely in his favor and it's not at all unreasonable that it paid off. so that he could then mentally taunt Mao.
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*** Exactly. The red rim around the eyes only appears when the Geass is directly affecting the person. For instance, the "Live" Geass command that [[spoiler:Suzaku]] is under only appears when his life is in danger and the Geass is necessary to keep him alive. When affected by a command to forget, they forget more or less instantly, so the command is no longer necessary. They've already forgotten, so they're not really under the effect of the Geass anymore and the rims around the eyes don't appear. No one who is affected by [[spoiler:the Emperor]]'s Geass ever has red rims around their eyes. Their memories are altered immediately when they're Geassed, so there's no need for the Geass effect to continue, so there's no red rim around their eyes. The red rims appear only when being directly affected by a Geass. *** The red rims issue has obviously been addressed: it doesn't apply to commands that deal strictly with memory. As for why Mao didn't figure out Lelouch's plot, this is most because one of the conditions of Mao's Geass is that he needs to focus to use it. Yes, he always picks up surface thoughts due to PowerIncontinence, but we know that even this is reduced if Mao focuses intently enough on one thing. In order to pick up on the gaps in Lelouch's memory, Mao would need to, first off, suspect such a ploy in the first place, and then to dig far below the surface of Lelouch's conscious thought. This would require taking attention away from Lelouch's current strategizing...which, given Lelouch's brilliance, is probably not a wise thing to do. It may have been a bit of a gamble on Lelouch's part, but the odds were definitely in his favor and it's not at all unreasonable that it paid off. ** I had always assumed the red-rimmed irises were simply a visual cue for the audience, since they are never once pointed out by anyone within the show. In this case, showing them on Lelouche's eyes at any point in those scenes would have given away the ending. Assuming this is not the case, well... It's pure speculation to even try to guess why he didn't have the irises since we are never given any details of Lelouch's plan, nor his exact command to himself. Suzaku tells him, "After you showed me which wire to cut, you said to burst in when I heard you scream" (indicating at the very least that Lelouch executed a successful Batman Gambit on himself). For the sake of speculation, Lelouch could have gotten back in the elevator and given himself something as simple as, "Forget everything you just told Suzaku, and go confront Mao at the church face to face." Given what has already been established about how his Geass commands affect a person's memory, that would empty his mind of not only the master stroke, but also absolutely everything except whatever challenge Mao posed him (the chess game) and account for Mao's taunt of Lelouch showing up with absolutely no plan at all, as well as Lelouch's response to that taunt (not feeling wierded out by going there without a plan), whilst simultaneously allow the red rims to vanish while Lelouch was still off-camera (Reached church and am now confronting Mao: Done. Red eyes go away). It's pretty apparent by his actions that he never got those memories back, and that it was Suzaku's responses as well as knowing his own tendencies that allow him to deduce what he had done so that he could then mentally taunt Mao.
22nd Jul '13 11:50:57 PM EmperorOshron
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** The way I took it was this: the [[spoiler:Collective Consciousness]] was merely an inactive force, and Charles and Marianne's plan was to build a "bridge" to it then use the power of the Codes to force humanity to be totally honest. Lelouch argued that such a plan would destroy any future for humanity and Geassed the [[spoiler:Collective Consciousness]] to not let that happen. This results in the [[spoiler:Collective Consciousness]] absorbing Charles and Marianne (since C's World seems to be a spiritual realm rather than a physical one), preventing them from completing their plan. Note that Marianne seems shocked that C.C. isn't being absorbed, but she explains this by saying that she rejected their plan a long time ago, meaning the [[spoiler:Collective Consciousness]] doesn't see her as a threat.
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** The way I took it was this: the [[spoiler:Collective Consciousness]] was merely an inactive force, and Charles and Marianne's plan was to build a "bridge" to it then use the power of the Codes to force humanity to be totally honest. Lelouch argued that such a plan would destroy any future for humanity and Geassed the [[spoiler:Collective Consciousness]] to not let that happen. This results in the [[spoiler:Collective Consciousness]] absorbing Charles and Marianne (since C's World seems to be a spiritual realm rather than a physical one), preventing them from completing their plan. Note that Marianne seems shocked that C.C. isn't being absorbed, but she explains this by saying that she rejected their plan a long time ago, meaning the [[spoiler:Collective Consciousness]] doesn't see her as a threat.

* Outside of the moral concerns, I have some problems with Lelouch being able to use his geass to make people slaves [[spoiler: and to a lesser extent what he did to Schneizel]]. Given that the power is one use only for him, to give a command like that is almost like the proverbial "wishing for unlimited wishes" concept- you would think it is not an option. I'd expect, that for the command to work, it would render whoever he does that to incapable of anyting, even using the bathroom or breathing without Lelouch's command. [[spoiler: Ordering Schneizel to obey Zero]] makes a bit more sense, since the phrasing implies that the command makes the person have enormous good will towards Lelouch and thus they can still think independently while being ultra-loyal. At best, maybe this is what is supposed to have happened with the command for people to be Lelouch's slaves.
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* Outside of the moral concerns, I have some problems with Lelouch being able to use his geass to make people slaves [[spoiler: and to a lesser extent what he did to Schneizel]]. Given that the power is one use only for him, to give a command like that is almost like the proverbial "wishing for unlimited wishes" concept- you would think it is not an option. I'd expect, that for the command to work, it would render whoever he does that to incapable of anyting, even using the bathroom or breathing without Lelouch's command. [[spoiler: Ordering Schneizel to obey Zero]] makes a bit more sense, since the phrasing implies that the command makes the person have enormous good will towards Lelouch and thus they can still think independently while being ultra-loyal. At best, maybe this is what is supposed to have happened with the command for people to be Lelouch's slaves.

* Outside of ** I had always assumed that “you will obey my commands” means something more along the moral concerns, I have lines of those he uses it on being zealously loyal to him, such as some problems with Geassed Britannian soldiers in the final battle sacrificing themselves to stop FLEIJAs while yelling, “For His Majesty!!!” They would likely make decisions on their own if Lelouch being able wasn’t there to use his geass to make people slaves [[spoiler: and to a lesser extent what he did to Schneizel]]. Given that the power is one use only for him, to give a specifically command like that is almost like the proverbial "wishing for unlimited wishes" concept- you them, but would think it is not an option. I'd expect, that for the command to work, it would render whoever do anything he does that to incapable of anyting, even using the bathroom or breathing said without Lelouch's command. [[spoiler: Ordering Schneizel question. It may be useful to obey Zero]] makes a bit more sense, since compare the phrasing implies that the command makes the person have enormous good will towards Lelouch and thus they can still think independently while being ultra-loyal. At best, maybe this is what is supposed to have happened original Japanese dialogue with the command English dub to get an idea of what the creators intended for people Lelouch to be Lelouch's slaves.mean, as the English dubbing had to consider translating the original language and matching lip flap.

* Outside of *** At the moral concerns, I have some problems with point that Lelouch being able to use ''does'' start using his geass Geass to make people slaves [[spoiler: obey him unconditionally, he had more or less given up achieving all of his goals, [[spoiler:thinking that Nunally was dead and to a lesser extent what he did to Schneizel]]. Given considering that the power is one use only for him, Black Knights had betrayed him]], and he basically decided “Fuck this, I’m just gonna wreck Britannia’s shit,” and set about causing a Geass-induced rebellion among Charles’ personal forces and [[spoiler:intending to give a command like that is almost like trap both himself and Charles in C’s World]] so that, if nothing else, Charles won’t be able to do anything else against the proverbial "wishing for unlimited wishes" concept- you would think it is not an option. I'd expect, that for the command to work, it would render whoever he does that to incapable of anyting, even using the bathroom or breathing without Lelouch's command. [[spoiler: Ordering Schneizel to obey Zero]] makes a bit more sense, since the phrasing implies that the command makes the person have enormous good will towards Lelouch and thus they can still think independently while world, his intent being ultra-loyal. At best, maybe this is what is supposed to have happened with cripple the command for people to be Lelouch's slaves.Britannian war machine.

** They are not at all consistent with how Rolo's Geass works. Rolo should have clearly died in episode 2 of R2. [[spoiler:When Urabe stabs Rolo's mech and explodes, Rolo survives thanks to his Geass by "warping" out of the way. However, as his Geass doesn't actually stop time, he shouldn't have been able to get away from that explosion. While everyone else's perception may have been stopped, the explosion wouldn't have been.]] However, at other times, his Geass has worked exactly like it's supposed to. For instance, [[spoiler:when he Geassed Suzaku in episode 6 of R2 so that Lelouch could speak with Nunnally and when he helped Lelouch escape in episode 19.]] Sometimes Rolo's Geass works as advertised and sometimes it's more like he's warping around. If anything, I'd say that what is generally the case is that Rolo's Geass works as advertised when we see it from his point of view but it's frequently done improperly (i.e. it looks like he's warping and nothing else moves) when shown from anyone else's point of view. Of course, even that's not always the case (e.g. when [[spoiler:he Geasses girls at the school in episode 12 of R2, they stopped moving completely instead of falling due to their momentum]]). The definitely explained how Rolo's Geass works, so that's quite clear, but they don't always follow those rules when showing him use it.
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** They are not at all consistent with how Rolo's Geass works. Rolo should have clearly died in episode 2 of R2. [[spoiler:When Urabe stabs Rolo's mech and explodes, Rolo survives thanks to his Geass by "warping" out of the way. However, as his Geass doesn't actually stop time, he shouldn't have been able to get away from that explosion. While everyone else's perception may have been stopped, the explosion wouldn't have been.]] However, at other times, his Geass has worked exactly like it's supposed to. For instance, [[spoiler:when he Geassed Suzaku in episode 6 of R2 so that Lelouch could speak with Nunnally and when he helped Lelouch escape in episode 19.]] Sometimes Rolo's Geass works as advertised and sometimes it's more like he's warping around. If anything, I'd say that what is generally the case is that Rolo's Geass works as advertised when we see it from his point of view but it's frequently done improperly (i.e. it looks like he's warping and nothing else moves) when shown from anyone else's point of view. Of course, even that's not always the case (e.g. when [[spoiler:he Geasses girls at the school in episode 12 of R2, they stopped moving completely instead of falling due to their momentum]]). The definitely explained how Rolo's Geass works, so that's quite clear, but they don't always follow those rules when showing him use it.

*** Exactly. The red rim around the eyes only appears when the Geass is directly affecting the person. For instance, the "Live" Geass command that [[spoiler:Suzaku]] is under only appears when his life is in danger and the Geass is necessary to keep him alive. When affected by a command to forget, they forget more or less instantly, so the command is no longer necessary. They've already forgotten, so they're not really under the effect of the Geass anymore and the rims around the eyes don't appear. No one who is affected by [[spoiler:the Emperor]]'s Geass ever has red rims around their eyes. Their memories are altered immediately when they're Geassed, so there's no need for the Geass effect to continue, so there's no red rim around their eyes. The red rims appear only when being directly affected by a Geass. *** The red rims issue has obviously been addressed: it doesn't apply to commands that deal strictly with memory. As for why Mao didn't figure out Lelouch's plot, this is most because one of the conditions of Mao's Geass is that he needs to focus to use it. Yes, he always picks up surface thoughts due to PowerIncontinence, but we know that even this is reduced if Mao focuses intently enough on one thing. In order to pick up on the gaps in Lelouch's memory, Mao would need to, first off, suspect such a ploy in the first place, and then to dig far below the surface of Lelouch's conscious thought. This would require taking attention away from Lelouch's current strategizing...which, given Lelouch's brilliance, is probably not a wise thing to do. It may have been a bit of a gamble on Lelouch's part, but the odds were definitely in his favor and it's not at all unreasonable that it paid off. ** I had always assumed the red-rimmed irises were simply a visual cue for the audience, since they are never once pointed out by anyone within the show. In this case, showing them on Lelouche's eyes at any point in those scenes would have given away the ending. Assuming this is not the case, well... It's pure speculation to even try to guess why he didn't have the irises since we are never given any details of Lelouch's plan, nor his exact command to himself. Suzaku tells him, "After you showed me which wire to cut, you said to burst in when I heard you scream" (indicating at the very least that Lelouch executed a successful Batman Gambit on himself). For the sake of speculation, Lelouch could have gotten back in the elevator and given himself something as simple as, "Forget everything you just told Suzaku, and go confront Mao at the church face to face." Given what has already been established about how his Geass commands affect a person's memory, that would empty his mind of not only the master stroke, but also absolutely everything except whatever challenge Mao posed him (the chess game) and account for Mao's taunt of Lelouch showing up with absolutely no plan at all, as well as Lelouch's response to that taunt (not feeling wierded out by going there without a plan), whilst simultaneously allow the red rims to vanish while Lelouch was still off-camera (Reached church and am now confronting Mao: Done. Red eyes go away). It's pretty apparent by his actions that he never got those memories back, and that it was Suzaku's responses as well as knowing his own tendencies that allow him to deduce what he had done so that he could then mentally taunt Mao.
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*** Exactly. The red rim around the eyes only appears when the Geass is directly affecting the person. For instance, the "Live" Geass command that [[spoiler:Suzaku]] is under only appears when his life is in danger and the Geass is necessary to keep him alive. When affected by a command to forget, they forget more or less instantly, so the command is no longer necessary. They've already forgotten, so they're not really under the effect of the Geass anymore and the rims around the eyes don't appear. No one who is affected by [[spoiler:the Emperor]]'s Geass ever has red rims around their eyes. Their memories are altered immediately when they're Geassed, so there's no need for the Geass effect to continue, so there's no red rim around their eyes. The red rims appear only when being directly affected by a Geass. *** The red rims issue has obviously been addressed: it doesn't apply to commands that deal strictly with memory. As for why Mao didn't figure out Lelouch's plot, this is most because one of the conditions of Mao's Geass is that he needs to focus to use it. Yes, he always picks up surface thoughts due to PowerIncontinence, but we know that even this is reduced if Mao focuses intently enough on one thing. In order to pick up on the gaps in Lelouch's memory, Mao would need to, first off, suspect such a ploy in the first place, and then to dig far below the surface of Lelouch's conscious thought. This would require taking attention away from Lelouch's current strategizing...which, given Lelouch's brilliance, is probably not a wise thing to do. It may have been a bit of a gamble on Lelouch's part, but the odds were definitely in his favor and it's not at all unreasonable that it paid off. ** I had always assumed the red-rimmed irises were simply a visual cue for the audience, since they are never once pointed out by anyone within the show. In this case, showing them on Lelouche's eyes at any point in those scenes would have given away the ending. Assuming this is not the case, well... It's pure speculation to even try to guess why he didn't have the irises since we are never given any details of Lelouch's plan, nor his exact command to himself. Suzaku tells him, "After you showed me which wire to cut, you said to burst in when I heard you scream" (indicating at the very least that Lelouch executed a successful Batman Gambit on himself). For the sake of speculation, Lelouch could have gotten back in the elevator and given himself something as simple as, "Forget everything you just told Suzaku, and go confront Mao at the church face to face." Given what has already been established about how his Geass commands affect a person's memory, that would empty his mind of not only the master stroke, but also absolutely everything except whatever challenge Mao posed him (the chess game) and account for Mao's taunt of Lelouch showing up with absolutely no plan at all, as well as Lelouch's response to that taunt (not feeling wierded out by going there without a plan), whilst simultaneously allow the red rims to vanish while Lelouch was still off-camera (Reached church and am now confronting Mao: Done. Red eyes go away). It's pretty apparent by his actions that he never got those memories back, and that it was Suzaku's responses as well as knowing his own tendencies that allow him to deduce what he had done so that he could then mentally taunt Mao.
31st Mar '13 10:44:17 AM MrSP
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*** This did convince Xingke that he should kill that Eunuch, so... a bit too obvious.
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