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** An in-story reason might be the gods did not trust each other enough to give up their personal weapons or wanted Cronos to suffer. The real reason like many of the plot holes in the remake and its sequal is [[ForgotAboutHisPowers Plot Induced Stupidity]]
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* The Djinn was immune to Medusa's gaze because he was not a man. But a tentacled monstrosity like the Kraken takes one look at her and turns to stone?
* The Djinn was immune to Medusa's gaze because he was not a man. But a tentacled monstrosity like the Kraken takes one look at her and turns to stone?
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** Thetis probably can't hit them with anything too heavy over the Calibos thing, else she risk pissing off Zeus. But she can torment them in myriad different ways, like the flies, possibly other things like drought and misfortune, plus the whole thing with the princess. It's probably a case of "Nothing's gone quite right since the whole Calibos incident."
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*** It probably made the "Sucky stupid bad gods! Take your magical sword and your immortal girlfriend and fly off on your winged horse to promote atheism!" overtones of the movie too {{Anvilicious}} to take.
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** Advice is easy to give and acknowledge when you're safe and sound and planning things out but harder to remember and follow when you've got a cackling murderous snake-woman right in front of you.
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** They know that "Thetis, our patron goddess, is angry" over what Zeus did Calibos -- that's got to be more than enough to throw a city into a constant state of panic. Ther's also the men who get burned at the stake, as Perseus observes, after failing to solve the riddle that Calibos and Thetis have forced Andromeda to use as an EngagementChallenge.
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* We're told that Joppa is suffering under a curse. Certainly Princess Andromeda is being put through a terrible ordeal personally, and that alone is probably enough to set the whole city on edge; but the first sight we see of Joppa is a big, bustling marketplace that seems quite prosperous, and it seems like the worst thing the common people are having to deal with is all the marsh flies.
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* We're told that Joppa is suffering under a curse. Certainly Princess Andromeda is being put through a terrible ordeal personally, and that alone is probably enough to set the whole city on edge; but the first sight we see of Joppa is a big, bustling marketplace that seems quite prosperous, and it seems like the worst thing the common people are having to deal with themselves is all the marsh flies.
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* We're told that Joppa is suffering under a curse. Certainly Princess Andromeda is being put through a terrible ordeal personally, and that alone is probably enough to set the whole city on edge; but the first sight we see of Joppa is a big, bustling marketplace that seems quite prosperous, and it looks like the worst thing the common people are having to deal with is all the marsh flies.
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* We're told that Joppa is suffering under a curse. Certainly Princess Andromeda is being put through a terrible ordeal personally, and that alone is probably enough to set the whole city on edge; but the first sight we see of Joppa is a big, bustling marketplace that seems quite prosperous, and it looks seems like the worst thing the common people are having to deal with is all the marsh flies.
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* We're told that Joppa is suffering under a curse. Certainly Princess Andromeda is being put through a terrible ordeal personally, and that alone is probably enough to set the whole city on edge; but the first we see of Joppa is a big, bustling marketplace that seems quite prosperous, and it looks like the worst thing the common people are having to deal with is all the marsh flies.
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* We're told that Joppa is suffering under a curse. Certainly Princess Andromeda is being put through a terrible ordeal personally, and that alone is probably enough to set the whole city on edge; but the first sight we see of Joppa is a big, bustling marketplace that seems quite prosperous, and it looks like the worst thing the common people are having to deal with is all the marsh flies.
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!!The 1981 film:
* We're told that Joppa is suffering under a curse. Certainly Princess Andromeda is being put through a terrible ordeal personally, and that alone is probably enough to set the whole city on edge; but the first we see of Joppa is a big, bustling marketplace that seems quite prosperous, and it looks like the worst thing the common people are having to deal with is all the marsh flies.
!!The remake:
* We're told that Joppa is suffering under a curse. Certainly Princess Andromeda is being put through a terrible ordeal personally, and that alone is probably enough to set the whole city on edge; but the first we see of Joppa is a big, bustling marketplace that seems quite prosperous, and it looks like the worst thing the common people are having to deal with is all the marsh flies.
!!The remake:
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I just love how retarded, subhuman homophobes can stand relating themselves to a mythology filled with hot mansex everywhere.
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** What would be more romantic? A beautiful girl and a buff guy next to a pegasus or a buff guy and a buff guy next to a pegasus? Thought so.
*** ... [[HoYay depends]] on who you're asking that question...
*** ... [[HoYay depends]] on who you're asking that question...
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** How did he know? Aries is a god after all, and gods are often attributed with senses and abilities beyond the mortal kin.
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** Relocation was not really an option. Even if they fled the gods could have stilled killed them by sending a plague. They would have had to leave most of their supplies behind making them vulnerable to death or enslavement by another city-state. No other city-state would have let them in their boarders due to fear of the gods.
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** Relocation was not really an option. Even if they fled the gods could have stilled killed them by sending a plague. They would have had to leave most of their supplies behind making them vulnerable to death or enslavement by another city-state. No other city-state would have let them in their boarders borders due to fear of the gods.
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* In the end of ''Wrath'', Perseus seems to kill Cronos with the Spear of Atrium. If Cronos indeed died with it, you gotta wonder, why did Zeus, Poseidon and Hades ''not'' kill him with it when, you know, he was imprisoned? And in that very fight, if Cronos' [[ShockwaveStomp shockwave punches]] were so powerful as to get Zeus near-killed in two hits, why didn't he, you know, [[WhyDontYouJustShootHim lead with that]]?
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**Relocation was not really an option. Even if they fled the gods could have stilled killed them by sending a plague. They would have had to leave most of their supplies behind making them vulnerable to death or enslavement by another city-state. No other city-state would have let them in their boarders due to fear of the gods.
* In the end of ''Wrath'', Perseus seems to kill Cronos with the Spear of Atrium. If Cronos indeed died with it, you gotta wonder, why did Zeus, Poseidon and Hades ''not'' kill him with it when, you know, he was imprisoned? And in that very fight, if Cronos' [[ShockwaveStomp shockwave punches]] were so powerful as to get Zeus near-killed in two hits, why didn't he, you know, [[WhyDontYouJustShootHim lead withthat]]?that]]?
**An in-story reason might be the gods did not trust each other enough to give up their personal weapons or wanted Cronos to suffer. The real reason like many of the plot holes in the remake and its sequal is [[ForgotAboutHisPowers Plot Induced Stupidity]]
* In the end of ''Wrath'', Perseus seems to kill Cronos with the Spear of Atrium. If Cronos indeed died with it, you gotta wonder, why did Zeus, Poseidon and Hades ''not'' kill him with it when, you know, he was imprisoned? And in that very fight, if Cronos' [[ShockwaveStomp shockwave punches]] were so powerful as to get Zeus near-killed in two hits, why didn't he, you know, [[WhyDontYouJustShootHim lead with
**An in-story reason might be the gods did not trust each other enough to give up their personal weapons or wanted Cronos to suffer. The real reason like many of the plot holes in the remake and its sequal is [[ForgotAboutHisPowers Plot Induced Stupidity]]
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** Likely she came down with a fatal case of Gemma Arterton Had Better Things To Do With Her Time.
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** Likely she came down with a fatal case of They Couldn't Get Gemma Arterton Had Better Things To Do With Her Time.Back For The Sequel.
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** Likely she came down with a fatal case of Gemma Arterton Had Better Things To Do With Her Time.
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* When Hades told the entire kingdom that the Kraken would arrive in x-amount of days to destroy their city...he didn't say they couldn't leave. So why the hell did the ''entire city'' of people just sit around waiting for the Kraken to kill them all? They had plenty of time to relocate. Even if there were no towns nearby, they would still have had enough time to find a new place to build a temporary home and not be smashed to pieces by a giant angry fish thing.
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* When Hades told the entire kingdom that the Kraken would arrive in x-amount of days to destroy their city...he didn't say they couldn't leave. So why the hell did the ''entire city'' of people just sit around waiting for the Kraken to kill them all? They had plenty of time to relocate. Even if there were no towns nearby, they would still have had enough time to find a new place to build a temporary home and not be smashed to pieces by a giant angry fish thing.thing.
* In the end of ''Wrath'', Perseus seems to kill Cronos with the Spear of Atrium. If Cronos indeed died with it, you gotta wonder, why did Zeus, Poseidon and Hades ''not'' kill him with it when, you know, he was imprisoned? And in that very fight, if Cronos' [[ShockwaveStomp shockwave punches]] were so powerful as to get Zeus near-killed in two hits, why didn't he, you know, [[WhyDontYouJustShootHim lead with that]]?
* In the end of ''Wrath'', Perseus seems to kill Cronos with the Spear of Atrium. If Cronos indeed died with it, you gotta wonder, why did Zeus, Poseidon and Hades ''not'' kill him with it when, you know, he was imprisoned? And in that very fight, if Cronos' [[ShockwaveStomp shockwave punches]] were so powerful as to get Zeus near-killed in two hits, why didn't he, you know, [[WhyDontYouJustShootHim lead with that]]?
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*** If they didn't need to stop fighting to pray, who's to say manny of them weren't actually praying during the battle? Maybe without them Zeus and Hades wouldn't have survived so long.
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*** If they didn't need to stop fighting to pray, who's to say manny many of them weren't actually praying during the battle? Maybe without them Zeus and Hades wouldn't have survived so long. long.
*** There weren't anywhere ''near'' six billion people around in the era when the films were set, and the vast majority of the world's population at the time worshiped other pantheons and had no clue who Zeus was. Several hundred soldiers praying at once probably ''should'' have been enough to make a difference.
*** There weren't anywhere ''near'' six billion people around in the era when the films were set, and the vast majority of the world's population at the time worshiped other pantheons and had no clue who Zeus was. Several hundred soldiers praying at once probably ''should'' have been enough to make a difference.
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*** I understand what you're getting at, but I guess my bigger problem is that they never establish just how much power a god can get from any given number of people. If you're saying that only a thousand men praying wouldn't make much of a difference, that's perfectly acceptable, but they never say that in the film. Plus, you don't have to stop what you're doing to pray--the soldiers could have prayed as they fought, unless there's some special rules involved with praying in their culture, which, again, was never established. The film just leaves so many things to be guessed at.
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*** I understand what you're getting at, but I guess my bigger problem is that they never establish just how much power a god can get from any given number of people. If you're saying that only a thousand men praying wouldn't make much of a difference, that's perfectly acceptable, but they never say that in the film. Plus, you don't have to stop what you're doing to pray--the soldiers could have prayed as they fought, unless there's some special rules involved with praying in their culture, which, again, was never established. The film just leaves so many things to be guessed at.at.
*** If they didn't need to stop fighting to pray, who's to say manny of them weren't actually praying during the battle? Maybe without them Zeus and Hades wouldn't have survived so long.
*** If they didn't need to stop fighting to pray, who's to say manny of them weren't actually praying during the battle? Maybe without them Zeus and Hades wouldn't have survived so long.
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*** Ethiopia, the real-world modern country, is indeed in sub-saharan Africa, but the mythological kingdom of Ethiopia, home of Andromeda, didn't have a clear location. Some classical myths placed it in north africa, others in modern Israel, and artistic representations of Andie through the centuries have depicted her as white.
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** Why is she even white in the first place? In the original myth, she was from freaking Ethiopia (which in case you didn't know is in sub-Saharan Africa)!
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*** I understand what you're getting at, but I guess my bigger problem is that they never establish just how much power a god can get from any given number of people. If you're saying that only a thousand men praying wouldn't make much of a difference, that's perfectly acceptable, but they never say that in the film. Plus, you don't have to stop what you're doing to pray--the soldiers could have prayed as they fought, unless there's some special rules involved with praying in their culture, which, again, was never established. The film just leaves so many things to be guessed at.
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** The soldiers are only about hundreds to a thousand, it's nothing compared to 6 billion population of the world, even if they prayed they'd only give Zeus one extra spark of bolt. And besides, soldiers praying in a battlefield with a volcano giant rampaging? That's just dumb.
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** In the beginning of the film, Ares mocked Perseus for going fishing while the world is in danger, so Ares probably knows a considerable information about Perseus life, the wooden dagger only gives him the idea to bring Helius to watch Persus death, it's still a mystery how come he knows where Helius is though.
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* How did Io die? I thought she was a demi-god. She should have lived as long as Perseus, unless Zeus brought her back as a human woman and just didn't say that at the end of the first film. But that still doesn't excuse them from not explaining how or why she died even if she were human.
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* How did Io die? I thought she was a demi-god. She should have lived as long as Perseus, unless Zeus brought her back as a human woman and just didn't say that at the end of the first film. But that still doesn't excuse them from not explaining how or why she died even if she were human.human.
* When Hades told the entire kingdom that the Kraken would arrive in x-amount of days to destroy their city...he didn't say they couldn't leave. So why the hell did the ''entire city'' of people just sit around waiting for the Kraken to kill them all? They had plenty of time to relocate. Even if there were no towns nearby, they would still have had enough time to find a new place to build a temporary home and not be smashed to pieces by a giant angry fish thing.
* When Hades told the entire kingdom that the Kraken would arrive in x-amount of days to destroy their city...he didn't say they couldn't leave. So why the hell did the ''entire city'' of people just sit around waiting for the Kraken to kill them all? They had plenty of time to relocate. Even if there were no towns nearby, they would still have had enough time to find a new place to build a temporary home and not be smashed to pieces by a giant angry fish thing.
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* "Don't look at her face." Followed by "Oh that's her stomach, let me continue looking up, up, oh crap." Then "Oh no, he's stone I guess I shouldn't look at her, ooh pretty oh crap" Then "Let them know men did this, with their eyes open when I could easily close them." Seriously, they were trained soldiers.
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* "Don't look at her face." Followed by "Oh that's her stomach, let me continue looking up, up, oh crap." Then "Oh no, he's stone I guess I shouldn't look at her, ooh pretty oh crap" Then "Let them know men did this, with their eyes open when I could easily close them." Seriously, they were trained soldiers.soldiers.
* Zeus kept talking about how gods were losing power without man's prayer. In the climax, he and Hades are among hundreds of troops. Why didn't anyone bother to pray to the both of them so they would be more powerful as they fought Kronos? It would've probably have helped prevent [[spoiler: Zeus's death.]] Then again, if I were him, I'd want to get the hell out of this movie franchise too...[[BlatantLies no pun intended...]]
* Why is Andromeda blonde in the sequel? Did they have hair dye back then? Honestly, getting a new actress makes sense but having her be blonde but still the same character from the previous movie is really confusing.
* So Perseus claims that he didn't want to leave his son behind when Zeus came to him asking for help to bargain with Hades in the Underworld. Okay, I get that but...Zeus is the most knowledgeable deity in the world. Couldn't Perseus just have asked Zeus to hide his son in a secret place that no one knows about while he went with them to Tartarus? Even without all of his powers, Zeus would have found a place to hide the boy that would keep him safe.
* How in blue blazes did Ares figure out that Helius made the wooden dagger and then deduce who Helius was and where he'd be in the village amidst all the chaos at the climax of the film? The WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief pretty much shattered for me at that point.
* How did Io die? I thought she was a demi-god. She should have lived as long as Perseus, unless Zeus brought her back as a human woman and just didn't say that at the end of the first film. But that still doesn't excuse them from not explaining how or why she died even if she were human.
* Zeus kept talking about how gods were losing power without man's prayer. In the climax, he and Hades are among hundreds of troops. Why didn't anyone bother to pray to the both of them so they would be more powerful as they fought Kronos? It would've probably have helped prevent [[spoiler: Zeus's death.]] Then again, if I were him, I'd want to get the hell out of this movie franchise too...[[BlatantLies no pun intended...]]
* Why is Andromeda blonde in the sequel? Did they have hair dye back then? Honestly, getting a new actress makes sense but having her be blonde but still the same character from the previous movie is really confusing.
* So Perseus claims that he didn't want to leave his son behind when Zeus came to him asking for help to bargain with Hades in the Underworld. Okay, I get that but...Zeus is the most knowledgeable deity in the world. Couldn't Perseus just have asked Zeus to hide his son in a secret place that no one knows about while he went with them to Tartarus? Even without all of his powers, Zeus would have found a place to hide the boy that would keep him safe.
* How in blue blazes did Ares figure out that Helius made the wooden dagger and then deduce who Helius was and where he'd be in the village amidst all the chaos at the climax of the film? The WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief pretty much shattered for me at that point.
* How did Io die? I thought she was a demi-god. She should have lived as long as Perseus, unless Zeus brought her back as a human woman and just didn't say that at the end of the first film. But that still doesn't excuse them from not explaining how or why she died even if she were human.
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** Not just kids! Though I'll admit I've always been found of old style clocks and other machines powered in a similar fashion. (like Bubo perhaps?)
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** Not just kids! Though I'll admit I've always been found of old style clocks and other machines powered in a similar fashion. (like Bubo perhaps?)
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** This troper thought that since they showed the lightning earlier and since he thrust his sword upwards before throwing it, that Zeus was watching and had enough power left to at least throw a lightning attack, thus Perseus lifted the sword up to say "Target This for the Win!" and threw it, Zeus aiming the strongest lightning bolt he could at the sword to help damage Hades...Father and Son working together. Which , combined with Hades being drastically weakened by the Krackens death, might also explain Hades going back to hell, from the power of a god and demigod combined.
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** This troper thought that since they showed the lightning earlier and since he thrust his sword upwards before throwing it, that Zeus was watching and had enough power left to at least throw a lightning attack, thus Perseus lifted the sword up to say "Target This for the Win!" and threw it, Zeus aiming the strongest lightning bolt he could at the sword to help damage Hades...Father and Son working together. Which , combined with Hades being drastically weakened by the Krackens Kraken's death, might also explain Hades going back to hell, from the power of a god and demigod combined.
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* Was the exploding Djinn really necessary? Was there a reason given to why the Djinn can just explode at will or is this just a case of UnfortunateImplications...or the sake of it?
** You can see that he's doing something with his blue fire magic stuff. The explosion is also blue-colored. He presumably exploded himself to either A: kill Medusa, or B: wound her sufficiently for Perseus to have a chance at killing her.
*** Yes, we know. Suicide bomber, that's the problem we are discussing.
** What's the problem? It's not like all the djinn were charging in praising Allah and blowing themselves up all willy-nilly. Jesus, people find problems in anything nowadays. He was made of wood so he wouldn't turn to stone but he knew he was trapped so he thought he'd try to take Medusa out with him with his magic fire. Nothing unfortunate about it at all.
** You can see that he's doing something with his blue fire magic stuff. The explosion is also blue-colored. He presumably exploded himself to either A: kill Medusa, or B: wound her sufficiently for Perseus to have a chance at killing her.
*** Yes, we know. Suicide bomber, that's the problem we are discussing.
** What's the problem? It's not like all the djinn were charging in praising Allah and blowing themselves up all willy-nilly. Jesus, people find problems in anything nowadays. He was made of wood so he wouldn't turn to stone but he knew he was trapped so he thought he'd try to take Medusa out with him with his magic fire. Nothing unfortunate about it at all.
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** You can see that he's doing something with his blue fire magic stuff. The explosion is also blue-colored. He presumably exploded himself to either A: kill Medusa, or B: wound her sufficientlyhas some UnfortunateImplications for Perseus to have a chance at killing her.
*** Yes, we know. Suicide bomber, that's the problem we are discussing.
** What's the problem? It's not like all the djinn were charging in praising Allah and blowing themselves up all willy-nilly. Jesus, people find problems in anything nowadays. He was made of wood so he wouldn't turn to stone but he knew he was trapped so he thought he'd try to take Medusa out with him with his magic fire. Nothing unfortunate about it at all.
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** You can see that he's doing something with his blue fire magic stuff. The explosion is also blue-colored. He presumably exploded himself to either A: kill Medusa, or B: wound her sufficiently
*** Yes, we know. Suicide bomber, that's the problem we are discussing.
** What's the problem? It's not like all the djinn were charging in praising Allah and blowing themselves up all willy-nilly. Jesus, people find problems in anything nowadays. He was made of wood so he wouldn't turn to stone but he knew he was trapped so he thought he'd try to take Medusa out with him with his magic fire. Nothing unfortunate about it at all.
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** What's the problem? It's not like all the djinn were charging in praising Allah and blowing themselves up all willy-nilly. Jesus, people find problems in anything nowadays. He was made of wood so he wouldn't turn to stone but he knew he was trapped so he thought he'd try to take Medusa out with him with his magic fire. Nothing unfortunate about it at all.
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* The ending of the remake. Io, who's been cursed to live forever watching everyone die around her, gets killed, sad for Perseus but it's nice for her to finally be set free... wait... she gets brought back to life? Did the creators not realize that she hated living forever, and that bringing her back to watch Perseus grow old and die like so many others have before him may not be the happiest ending? Especially because HEY, why does she come back but Perseus' family stays dead?
** Perhaps Zeus granted her mortality?
*** But didn't feel like bringing back the family that did nothing wrong, so instead he brought back the girl who had it out for him?
**** Nah, that would involve Zeus bringing back three people instead of one, which is probably too much of an effort considering all of the gods were running low on power because of the lack of worship and prayer. Also at least Zeus knew Io, and didn't bother to know Perseus' family (hell, Perseus was clearly an accident and wasn't even planned to exist, let alone be found) so Zeus probably couldn't care less. Finally be careful when you ask favors from the gods as Io found out. Mythology is rife with them twisting the meaning of requests.
** I assumed that despite his living life as a man that Perseus was also immortal with respect to time. Therefore, he and Io are a good match. Meanwhile, if Zeus brought Perseus's family back, Perseus would just have to watch them die all over again.
*** What implication in any part of the movie was there that he was immortal? Generically strong, but never did it mention immortality. He even denied becoming an immortal god in the end.
**** Ooh, ooh, FridgeBrilliance! Zeus brings back Io, she's still immortal- a few years (or more) pass, Perseus realizes this- he decides to accept his godhood! Zeus for the win!
** Perhaps Zeus granted her mortality?
*** But didn't feel like bringing back the family that did nothing wrong, so instead he brought back the girl who had it out for him?
**** Nah, that would involve Zeus bringing back three people instead of one, which is probably too much of an effort considering all of the gods were running low on power because of the lack of worship and prayer. Also at least Zeus knew Io, and didn't bother to know Perseus' family (hell, Perseus was clearly an accident and wasn't even planned to exist, let alone be found) so Zeus probably couldn't care less. Finally be careful when you ask favors from the gods as Io found out. Mythology is rife with them twisting the meaning of requests.
** I assumed that despite his living life as a man that Perseus was also immortal with respect to time. Therefore, he and Io are a good match. Meanwhile, if Zeus brought Perseus's family back, Perseus would just have to watch them die all over again.
*** What implication in any part of the movie was there that he was immortal? Generically strong, but never did it mention immortality. He even denied becoming an immortal god in the end.
**** Ooh, ooh, FridgeBrilliance! Zeus brings back Io, she's still immortal- a few years (or more) pass, Perseus realizes this- he decides to accept his godhood! Zeus for the win!
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* What was the point of having those two hunters in the remake? They never really did anything, if they were the comedy relief they never made any actual jokes. Their leaving was fairly understated because I didn't really notice they had gone. And showing that they came back to fight in that one glimpse felt sort of odd because we never see them again after that, we have no idea if they even survived. They were pretty pointless.
** Aside from being pointless, they (the writers) have apparently DidNotDoTheResearch when it came to the monsters of GreekMythology. One of them says he knows how to pierce the skin of a Nemean Lion, while the other says that if you cut off the middle head of a Hyrda, it will die. 1) The one who killed the Nemean Lion was Heracles, and even he couldn't pierce it's skin -- he had to strangle it; 2) if you cut off the head (any head!) of a Hydra, two more will grow back in it's place -- even if you've only seen Disney's ''Hercules'' you should know this!
*** That was the, uh, ''whole point''. They were bullshitting to be brought along.
*** Actually, the hunters may know what they're speaking about :) It seems there's a way to pierce the skin of Nemean Lion - in one version of the myth Hercules skins the (already strangled) lion using its own claws. As to Hydra, in the myths it has one (and only one) truly immortal head. Hercules cut off all the heads and his sidekick burned the neck stumps, but the immortal head didn't die, so Hercules just put a boulder atop it. So, maybe they mean the location of the immortal head?
** I knew they were brought along because they claimed to be good. I'm just wondering why the WRITERS even made them in the first place. I mean, they weren't even used as one of the disposable red shirts.
*** I assume the writers gave 'em a bigger role but the editors reduced it.
*** Perhaps they'll get a bigger role in the sequel?
* The American Bald Eagle in ancient Greek mythology. It is the most blatantly out of place thing in this entire movie. Every time it swooped through the scenery all I could think about was The Colbert Report. Seriously, what was a Bald Eagle doing in this movie besides trying to appeal to some bizarre patriotic sensibilities in the audience. Is Zeus running for President?
** Or Zeus is messing with us. It's possible Zeus is aware of the wildlife outside of Greece and has chosen a non-Greek animal to be represent him specifically because any Greek that sees it will know it to really be Zeus and not just some random bird.
** I think it's more likely someone mistook a reference to a "bald" bird to mean the Bald Eagle (whose name comes from the now outdated English word "baldy," which means "white") when it really referred to a vulture.
** In mythology, the eagle was one of the symbols of Zeus. Someone along the way (writer or animator) must have misunderstood what kind of eagles live in Greece.
** Or the writers figured that [[ViewersAreMorons it's the one bird of prey that audiences would definitely recognize as an eagle, not a hawk]].
* This gripe is more to do with the trope page of the remake rather than the movie itself (which I feel a bit silly about, but I'd rather not put it in the main page and have it turn into natter). Why all the Medusa sympathy? Yeah, her BackStory was pretty damn brutally tragic, but she herself was nearly evil incarnate onscreen, second only to Hades in sheer malevolence. She laughs delightedly as she terrorizes and petrifies the Greeks one by one, and the statues show she's been doing this for a good long while. Her curse was also a little lighter, as she could had to "turn on" her petrifying gaze rather than have it always on. So she could have actually faced any visitor without turning them to stone. What more, when she realizes that the Djinn can't be petrified, rather than have an epiphany that hey, there's someone in this world who can hang out with her (and is ugly enough that she has a reasonable shot at dating on equal terms. ^_^ sorry, sorry!) she just looks puzzled. If she were ''really'' good underneath, a few quips about how she had been abandoned by both the gods '''and''' mankind with the constant attacks, or even a warning for them to leave or die, would have made her far more sympathetic for me. And since I'm thinking about this far too much already, the whole situation was a RightHandVersusLeftHand set up. They had the same enemy, the gods. If the heroes had tried to convince her to come willingly, or she had shown she could be reasoned with, she could have been free of that island prison and petrified the Kraken in person. ([[VoyageOfTheUnicorn At least one version of Medusa]] did something similar.)
** As hard as it is read your wall of text, I'll try to answer it. 1. Medusa never did anything wrong, and yet everyone tries to kill her for no reason. 2. Just because she makes a scary face doesn't mean it's her turning on her powers, just like how a cobra's bite isn't venomous if it isn't striking a pose. 3. The only people that come there try to kill her, after a few centuries of this I think she probably got a little paranoid, or a little crazy, either way I kind of understand being happy about killing the dicks. 4. The Djinn was still trying to kill her. Just because he couldn't be petrified doesn't mean she found a friend, it just means she found a guy trying to kill her that she can't defend herself against as easily. 5. Io gave them her entire backstory, they knew full well how they both shared the same enemy and how she would probably be happy to go up against the gods with them, but they still never even let the thought of talking to her cross their mind. From the very start he declared they had to kill her without even knowing anything about her. Again, the only thing she did was defend herself, and want to be alone.
** To this troper, Medusa's look of surprise bothered more. She looked ''delighted'' to see someone who didn't got transformed with her gaze. And then he exploded.
** You answered your own question: she never did anything wrong and had Perseus simply said to her "hey, want to go piss off the gods?" they'd probably have an ally and she wouldn't have needed to get killed. Had the "heroes" tried to recruit her and she responded by trying to kill them, then fine she's an evil monster; off with her head. However, as it was handled in the movie, we're supposed to applaud Perseus for no other reason than he looks human and she's half snake.
** So it certainly appears that the Medusa's petrification powers were activated by her will. Why did they work on the Kraken? Did her disembodied head decide to lend a hand to the guy who killed her or what? Actually that would have made a novel end to the movie, and been rather fitting way for Perseus' kneejerk reaction of killing anything nonhuman to backfire. "Hey moron, you killed the only person capable of stopping the Kraken. Now we're all gonna die."
*** More likely her powers were supressed by her will, not activated. So when she died, her powers reverted to their normal state: on.
** Aside from being pointless, they (the writers) have apparently DidNotDoTheResearch when it came to the monsters of GreekMythology. One of them says he knows how to pierce the skin of a Nemean Lion, while the other says that if you cut off the middle head of a Hyrda, it will die. 1) The one who killed the Nemean Lion was Heracles, and even he couldn't pierce it's skin -- he had to strangle it; 2) if you cut off the head (any head!) of a Hydra, two more will grow back in it's place -- even if you've only seen Disney's ''Hercules'' you should know this!
*** That was the, uh, ''whole point''. They were bullshitting to be brought along.
*** Actually, the hunters may know what they're speaking about :) It seems there's a way to pierce the skin of Nemean Lion - in one version of the myth Hercules skins the (already strangled) lion using its own claws. As to Hydra, in the myths it has one (and only one) truly immortal head. Hercules cut off all the heads and his sidekick burned the neck stumps, but the immortal head didn't die, so Hercules just put a boulder atop it. So, maybe they mean the location of the immortal head?
** I knew they were brought along because they claimed to be good. I'm just wondering why the WRITERS even made them in the first place. I mean, they weren't even used as one of the disposable red shirts.
*** I assume the writers gave 'em a bigger role but the editors reduced it.
*** Perhaps they'll get a bigger role in the sequel?
* The American Bald Eagle in ancient Greek mythology. It is the most blatantly out of place thing in this entire movie. Every time it swooped through the scenery all I could think about was The Colbert Report. Seriously, what was a Bald Eagle doing in this movie besides trying to appeal to some bizarre patriotic sensibilities in the audience. Is Zeus running for President?
** Or Zeus is messing with us. It's possible Zeus is aware of the wildlife outside of Greece and has chosen a non-Greek animal to be represent him specifically because any Greek that sees it will know it to really be Zeus and not just some random bird.
** I think it's more likely someone mistook a reference to a "bald" bird to mean the Bald Eagle (whose name comes from the now outdated English word "baldy," which means "white") when it really referred to a vulture.
** In mythology, the eagle was one of the symbols of Zeus. Someone along the way (writer or animator) must have misunderstood what kind of eagles live in Greece.
** Or the writers figured that [[ViewersAreMorons it's the one bird of prey that audiences would definitely recognize as an eagle, not a hawk]].
* This gripe is more to do with the trope page of the remake rather than the movie itself (which I feel a bit silly about, but I'd rather not put it in the main page and have it turn into natter). Why all the Medusa sympathy? Yeah, her BackStory was pretty damn brutally tragic, but she herself was nearly evil incarnate onscreen, second only to Hades in sheer malevolence. She laughs delightedly as she terrorizes and petrifies the Greeks one by one, and the statues show she's been doing this for a good long while. Her curse was also a little lighter, as she could had to "turn on" her petrifying gaze rather than have it always on. So she could have actually faced any visitor without turning them to stone. What more, when she realizes that the Djinn can't be petrified, rather than have an epiphany that hey, there's someone in this world who can hang out with her (and is ugly enough that she has a reasonable shot at dating on equal terms. ^_^ sorry, sorry!) she just looks puzzled. If she were ''really'' good underneath, a few quips about how she had been abandoned by both the gods '''and''' mankind with the constant attacks, or even a warning for them to leave or die, would have made her far more sympathetic for me. And since I'm thinking about this far too much already, the whole situation was a RightHandVersusLeftHand set up. They had the same enemy, the gods. If the heroes had tried to convince her to come willingly, or she had shown she could be reasoned with, she could have been free of that island prison and petrified the Kraken in person. ([[VoyageOfTheUnicorn At least one version of Medusa]] did something similar.)
** As hard as it is read your wall of text, I'll try to answer it. 1. Medusa never did anything wrong, and yet everyone tries to kill her for no reason. 2. Just because she makes a scary face doesn't mean it's her turning on her powers, just like how a cobra's bite isn't venomous if it isn't striking a pose. 3. The only people that come there try to kill her, after a few centuries of this I think she probably got a little paranoid, or a little crazy, either way I kind of understand being happy about killing the dicks. 4. The Djinn was still trying to kill her. Just because he couldn't be petrified doesn't mean she found a friend, it just means she found a guy trying to kill her that she can't defend herself against as easily. 5. Io gave them her entire backstory, they knew full well how they both shared the same enemy and how she would probably be happy to go up against the gods with them, but they still never even let the thought of talking to her cross their mind. From the very start he declared they had to kill her without even knowing anything about her. Again, the only thing she did was defend herself, and want to be alone.
** To this troper, Medusa's look of surprise bothered more. She looked ''delighted'' to see someone who didn't got transformed with her gaze. And then he exploded.
** You answered your own question: she never did anything wrong and had Perseus simply said to her "hey, want to go piss off the gods?" they'd probably have an ally and she wouldn't have needed to get killed. Had the "heroes" tried to recruit her and she responded by trying to kill them, then fine she's an evil monster; off with her head. However, as it was handled in the movie, we're supposed to applaud Perseus for no other reason than he looks human and she's half snake.
** So it certainly appears that the Medusa's petrification powers were activated by her will. Why did they work on the Kraken? Did her disembodied head decide to lend a hand to the guy who killed her or what? Actually that would have made a novel end to the movie, and been rather fitting way for Perseus' kneejerk reaction of killing anything nonhuman to backfire. "Hey moron, you killed the only person capable of stopping the Kraken. Now we're all gonna die."
*** More likely her powers were supressed by her will, not activated. So when she died, her powers reverted to their normal state: on.
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** Aside from being pointless, they (the writers) have apparently DidNotDoTheResearch when it came to the monsters of GreekMythology. One of them says he knows how to pierce the skin of a Nemean Lion, while the other says that if you cut off the middle head of a Hyrda, it will die. 1) The one who killed the Nemean Lion was Heracles, and even he couldn't pierce it's skin -- he had to strangle it; 2) if you cut off the head (any head!) of a Hydra, two more will grow back in it's place -- even if you've only seen Disney's ''Hercules'' you should know this!
*** That was the, uh, ''whole point''. They were bullshitting to be brought along.
*** Actually, the hunters may know what they're speaking about :) It seems there's a way to pierce the skin of Nemean Lion - in one version of the myth Hercules skins the (already strangled) lion using its own claws. As to Hydra, in the myths it has one (and only one) truly immortal head. Hercules cut off all the heads and his sidekick burned the neck stumps, but the immortal head didn't die, so Hercules just put a boulder atop it. So, maybe they mean the location of the immortal head?
** I knew they were brought along because they claimed to be good. I'm just wondering why the WRITERS even made them in the first place. I mean, they weren't even used as one of the disposable red shirts.
*** I assume the writers gave 'em a bigger role but the editors reduced it.
*** Perhaps they'll get a bigger role in the sequel?
* The American Bald Eagle in ancient Greek mythology. It is the most blatantly out of place thing in this entire movie. Every time it swooped through the scenery all I could think about was The Colbert Report. Seriously, what was a Bald Eagle doing in this movie besides trying to appeal to some bizarre patriotic sensibilities in the audience. Is Zeus running for President?
** Or Zeus is messing with us. It's possible Zeus is aware of the wildlife outside of Greece and has chosen a non-Greek animal to be represent him specifically because any Greek that sees it will know it to really be Zeus and not just some random bird.
** I think it's more likely someone mistook a reference to a "bald" bird to mean the Bald Eagle (whose name comes from the now outdated English word "baldy," which means "white") when it really referred to a vulture.
** In mythology, the eagle was one of the symbols of Zeus. Someone along the way (writer or animator) must have misunderstood what kind of eagles live in Greece.
** Or the writers figured that [[ViewersAreMorons it's the one bird of prey that audiences would definitely recognize as an eagle, not a hawk]].
* This gripe is more to do with the trope page of the remake rather than the movie itself (which I feel a bit silly about, but I'd rather not put it in the main page and have it turn into natter). Why all the Medusa sympathy? Yeah, her BackStory was pretty damn brutally tragic, but she herself was nearly evil incarnate onscreen, second only to Hades in sheer malevolence. She laughs delightedly as she terrorizes and petrifies the Greeks one by one, and the statues show she's been doing this for a good long while. Her curse was also a little lighter, as she could had to "turn on" her petrifying gaze rather than have it always on. So she could have actually faced any visitor without turning them to stone. What more, when she realizes that the Djinn can't be petrified, rather than have an epiphany that hey, there's someone in this world who can hang out with her (and is ugly enough that she has a reasonable shot at dating on equal terms. ^_^ sorry, sorry!) she just looks puzzled. If she were ''really'' good underneath, a few quips about how she had been abandoned by both the gods '''and''' mankind with the constant attacks, or even a warning for them to leave or die, would have made her far more sympathetic for me. And since I'm thinking about this far too much already, the whole situation was a RightHandVersusLeftHand set up. They had the same enemy, the gods. If the heroes had tried to convince her to come willingly, or she had shown she could be reasoned with, she could have been free of that island prison and petrified the Kraken in person. ([[VoyageOfTheUnicorn At least one version of Medusa]] did something similar.)
** As hard as it is read your wall of text, I'll try to answer it. 1. Medusa never did anything wrong, and yet everyone tries to kill her for no reason. 2. Just because she makes a scary face doesn't mean it's her turning on her powers, just like how a cobra's bite isn't venomous if it isn't striking a pose. 3. The only people that come there try to kill her, after a few centuries of this I think she probably got a little paranoid, or a little crazy, either way I kind of understand being happy about killing the dicks. 4. The Djinn was still trying to kill her. Just because he couldn't be petrified doesn't mean she found a friend, it just means she found a guy trying to kill her that she can't defend herself against as easily. 5. Io gave them her entire backstory, they knew full well how they both shared the same enemy and how she would probably be happy to go up against the gods with them, but they still never even let the thought of talking to her cross their mind. From the very start he declared they had to kill her without even knowing anything about her. Again, the only thing she did was defend herself, and want to be alone.
** To this troper, Medusa's look of surprise bothered more. She looked ''delighted'' to see someone who didn't got transformed with her gaze. And then he exploded.
** You answered your own question: she never did anything wrong and had Perseus simply said to her "hey, want to go piss off the gods?" they'd probably have an ally and she wouldn't have needed to get killed. Had the "heroes" tried to recruit her and she responded by trying to kill them, then fine she's an evil monster; off with her head. However, as it was handled in the movie, we're supposed to applaud Perseus for no other reason than he looks human and she's half snake.
** So it certainly appears that the Medusa's petrification powers were activated by her will. Why did they work on the Kraken? Did her disembodied head decide to lend a hand to the guy who killed her or what? Actually that would have made a novel end to the movie, and been rather fitting way for Perseus' kneejerk reaction of killing anything nonhuman to backfire. "Hey moron, you killed the only person capable of stopping the Kraken. Now we're all gonna die."
*** More likely her powers were supressed by her will, not activated. So when she died, her powers reverted to their normal state: on.
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* It just bugs me that the Djinn were included at all. What did they have to do with anything other than being in the desert setting and being a plot device to save said heroes from the scorpions?
** The answer to all of these is simple - it's a very poorly writen movie.
** [[EnsembleDarkhorse But they (specially the one that remained with the heroes) were the most awesome guys in the movie!]]
*** [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot ...Making it that much more of a shame that they never really served any unique purpose.]]
*** What was the point of including the other Djinn with their leader if only one of them was going to fight with them?
** The answer to all of these is simple - it's a very poorly writen movie.
** [[EnsembleDarkhorse But they (specially the one that remained with the heroes) were the most awesome guys in the movie!]]
*** [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot ...Making it that much more of a shame that they never really served any unique purpose.]]
*** What was the point of including the other Djinn with their leader if only one of them was going to fight with them?
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* The remake was HijackedByJesus, damn it all! Not only that, but it took one of the ''really'' decent things Hades could do (decide to allow a dead person to return to life for love) and had Zeus do it! So that Perseus could have hic chick as a reward! Would it kill people to, you know, ''not'' shoehorn Christianity into everything? (Note: this troper has absolutely nothing against Christianity, it just gets really freaking annoying when stuff like this happens)
** This troper is confused. Please elaborate on exactly HOW Christianity was "shoehorned" into this film?
*** For one thing, Hades is the "bad guy" in the movie. But in the actual story, Hades was actual HELPING Perseus, and was a pretty nice guy as far as gods go. But in the movie he is just a whispy voiced image of the Christian idea of the devil. Because god forbid they try to show a different culture, from a different time, in a different theology have a different view on death.
**** You are having a serious case of [[EveryoneIsSatanInHell Everyone is Satan in Hell]]. From my point of view, the makers of the movie used every available opportunity to bash religion. [[YourMileageMayVary YMMV]]
**** ...How does that trope apply? The original poster wasn't attacking Christianity OR Hades, let alone using insane logic to do so. Or were you referring to the moviemakers? Regardless, the point is very valid: automatically making the Lord of the Underworld evil, [[OlderThanTheyThink while not exclusively a modern idea]], is one that was made a lot more popular by Christian depictions of Satan. Conflating Hades with him just because they have the same job IS shoehorning modern beliefs into the plot. The Disney version of Hercules suffered from the same problem--making Hades the villain simply because when the early Christians weren't getting rid of the pagan gods altogether, they either absorbed them (the saints) or demonized them. Hades was one who was literally demonized because of his role. So now when writers lazily decide to make him (or any ancient deity, especially one associated with the underworld/afterlife) evil, it seems a lot like SmallReferencePools--thanks to Satan, they only know of such figures as evil so they assume he must be too because they DidNotDoTheResearch. And frankly it IS a bit annoying, since I too would like to see a good, or at least neutral, version of Hades. (Note: I'm a Christian, so I am not indulging in religion-bashing here--I am just honest about the origin and early practices of the religion.)
**** [[Tropers.SickleYield This Christian Troper]] agrees. Particularly when the Biblical Satan (not much like the Satan of Medieval religious myth, incidentally) doesn't in the least resemble the Lord of the Underworld in most polytheistic faiths. She was particularly disappointed to see what she considered the least [[MagnificentBastard obnoxious]] of the Greek male deities rewritten into the emo brat of the bunch.
**** This also Christian troper thinks that Ares should get painted as the evil god more often. I mean, come on, he's great in Xena and the Wonder Woman comics!
**** While HijackedByJesus is an annoying trope, usually, it really isn't that big of a deal here. Of course Hades was a bad guy - all of the gods were. That was the entire point of the movie.
** While not defending the "Hades as the Devil" all western media loves to portray, this tropers would like to point out that the director is a self-professed fan of SaintSeiya and there, Hades(And Poseidon) are main villains(There where even posters in Japan made by the creator of Saint Seiya to promote the movie)
*** The reason Hades was bad was because he was screwed by Zeus and Poseidon after the defeat of their father, mostly by ''Hades'' and his child. Zeus and Poseidon got the better end of the deal, sending Hades to manage the suffering of souls and not seeing the light of day. No wonder he's having asthma issues. I'm not defending Hades here. After all, the mortals weren't the ones who screwed him over. Also, for the record, not every Western portrayal of Hades is automatically evil. Hades is actually a pretty decent guy and one of the few non-jerk gods in ''HerculesTheLegendaryJourneys''. Hell (if you'll pardon the pun), he'll send you to Elysian Fields (the Ancient Greek version of Heaven) if you repent, as he did with Iolaus's father.
** This troper is confused. Please elaborate on exactly HOW Christianity was "shoehorned" into this film?
*** For one thing, Hades is the "bad guy" in the movie. But in the actual story, Hades was actual HELPING Perseus, and was a pretty nice guy as far as gods go. But in the movie he is just a whispy voiced image of the Christian idea of the devil. Because god forbid they try to show a different culture, from a different time, in a different theology have a different view on death.
**** You are having a serious case of [[EveryoneIsSatanInHell Everyone is Satan in Hell]]. From my point of view, the makers of the movie used every available opportunity to bash religion. [[YourMileageMayVary YMMV]]
**** ...How does that trope apply? The original poster wasn't attacking Christianity OR Hades, let alone using insane logic to do so. Or were you referring to the moviemakers? Regardless, the point is very valid: automatically making the Lord of the Underworld evil, [[OlderThanTheyThink while not exclusively a modern idea]], is one that was made a lot more popular by Christian depictions of Satan. Conflating Hades with him just because they have the same job IS shoehorning modern beliefs into the plot. The Disney version of Hercules suffered from the same problem--making Hades the villain simply because when the early Christians weren't getting rid of the pagan gods altogether, they either absorbed them (the saints) or demonized them. Hades was one who was literally demonized because of his role. So now when writers lazily decide to make him (or any ancient deity, especially one associated with the underworld/afterlife) evil, it seems a lot like SmallReferencePools--thanks to Satan, they only know of such figures as evil so they assume he must be too because they DidNotDoTheResearch. And frankly it IS a bit annoying, since I too would like to see a good, or at least neutral, version of Hades. (Note: I'm a Christian, so I am not indulging in religion-bashing here--I am just honest about the origin and early practices of the religion.)
**** [[Tropers.SickleYield This Christian Troper]] agrees. Particularly when the Biblical Satan (not much like the Satan of Medieval religious myth, incidentally) doesn't in the least resemble the Lord of the Underworld in most polytheistic faiths. She was particularly disappointed to see what she considered the least [[MagnificentBastard obnoxious]] of the Greek male deities rewritten into the emo brat of the bunch.
**** This also Christian troper thinks that Ares should get painted as the evil god more often. I mean, come on, he's great in Xena and the Wonder Woman comics!
**** While HijackedByJesus is an annoying trope, usually, it really isn't that big of a deal here. Of course Hades was a bad guy - all of the gods were. That was the entire point of the movie.
** While not defending the "Hades as the Devil" all western media loves to portray, this tropers would like to point out that the director is a self-professed fan of SaintSeiya and there, Hades(And Poseidon) are main villains(There where even posters in Japan made by the creator of Saint Seiya to promote the movie)
*** The reason Hades was bad was because he was screwed by Zeus and Poseidon after the defeat of their father, mostly by ''Hades'' and his child. Zeus and Poseidon got the better end of the deal, sending Hades to manage the suffering of souls and not seeing the light of day. No wonder he's having asthma issues. I'm not defending Hades here. After all, the mortals weren't the ones who screwed him over. Also, for the record, not every Western portrayal of Hades is automatically evil. Hades is actually a pretty decent guy and one of the few non-jerk gods in ''HerculesTheLegendaryJourneys''. Hell (if you'll pardon the pun), he'll send you to Elysian Fields (the Ancient Greek version of Heaven) if you repent, as he did with Iolaus's father.
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** This troper is confused. Please elaborate on exactly HOW Christianity was "shoehorned" into this film?
*** For one thing, Hades is the "bad guy" in the movie. But in the actual story, Hades was actual HELPING Perseus, and was a pretty nice guy as far as gods go. But in the movie he is just a whispy voiced image of the Christian idea of the devil. Because god forbid they try to show a different culture, from a different time, in a different theology have a different view on death.
**** You are having a serious case of [[EveryoneIsSatanInHell Everyone is Satan in Hell]]. From my point of view, the makers of the movie used every available opportunity to bash religion. [[YourMileageMayVary YMMV]]
**** ...How does that trope apply? The original poster wasn't attacking Christianity OR Hades, let alone using insane logic to do so. Or were you referring to the moviemakers? Regardless, the point is very valid: automatically making the Lord of the Underworld evil, [[OlderThanTheyThink while not exclusively a modern idea]], is one that was made a lot more popular by Christian depictions of Satan. Conflating Hades with him just because they have the same job IS shoehorning modern beliefs into the plot. The Disney version of Hercules suffered from the same problem--making Hades the villain simply because when the early Christians weren't getting rid of the pagan gods altogether, they either absorbed them (the saints) or demonized them. Hades was one who was literally demonized because of his role. So now when writers lazily decide to make him (or any ancient deity, especially one associated with the underworld/afterlife) evil, it seems a lot like SmallReferencePools--thanks to Satan, they only know of such figures as evil so they assume he must be too because they DidNotDoTheResearch. And frankly it IS a bit annoying, since I too would like to see a good, or at least neutral, version of Hades. (Note: I'm a Christian, so I am not indulging in religion-bashing here--I am just honest about the origin and early practices of the religion.)
**** [[Tropers.SickleYield This Christian Troper]] agrees. Particularly when the Biblical Satan (not much like the Satan of Medieval religious myth, incidentally) doesn't in the least resemble the Lord of the Underworld in most polytheistic faiths. She was particularly disappointed to see what she considered the least [[MagnificentBastard obnoxious]] of the Greek male deities rewritten into the emo brat of the bunch.
**** This also Christian troper thinks that Ares should get painted as the evil god more often. I mean, come on, he's great in Xena and the Wonder Woman comics!
**** While HijackedByJesus is an annoying trope, usually, it really isn't that big of a deal here. Of course Hades was a bad guy - all of the gods were. That was the entire point of the movie.
** While not defending the "Hades as the Devil" all western media loves to portray, this tropers would like to point out that the director is a self-professed fan of SaintSeiya and there, Hades(And Poseidon) are main villains(There where even posters in Japan made by the creator of Saint Seiya to promote the movie)
*** The reason Hades was bad was because he was screwed by Zeus and Poseidon after the defeat of their father, mostly by ''Hades'' and his child. Zeus and Poseidon got the better end of the deal, sending Hades to manage the suffering of souls and not seeing the light of day. No wonder he's having asthma issues. I'm not defending Hades here. After all, the mortals weren't the ones who screwed him over. Also, for the record, not every Western portrayal of Hades is automatically evil. Hades is actually a pretty decent guy and one of the few non-jerk gods in ''HerculesTheLegendaryJourneys''. Hell (if you'll pardon the pun), he'll send you to Elysian Fields (the Ancient Greek version of Heaven) if you repent, as he did with Iolaus's father.
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* As mentioned above, this and most other modern retellings of Greek mythology cast Hades as the villain, when in the actual mythology, he was usually about as neutral as death itself, rather than an all-out bully like Poseidon or selfish ass like Zeus. It's even more infuriating here, where he has very little to do with the actual myth, and the film makers seemingly just threw him in because they wanted a villain people could easily label "evil".
* You know what bugs me the worst? That the remake seemed cooler before the reshoot scenes changed everything! Among the changes from what was originally filmed: Zeus as the BigBad and a JerkassGod, Hades while still a villain for the gods isn't so much for the humans (he just wants to get back at Zeus) and he's defeated by the gods all thanks to the younger Olympians who thought Zeus had lost it, Apollo (who was introduced as mildly sympathetic in the beginning, opposing Hades and Zeus, but then dropped) was the one who gave Perseus the coin and felt kindship of a brother towards him, besides there is Athena who is cast as ReasonableAuthoryFigure who is the one who advices him to do this (and perhaps the one who sends Pegasus and the sword) which matches her role in the original movie as Perseus' protector. Io isn't a love interest, but a [[LikeBrotherAndSister big sister figure/mentor]] for Perseus which is so much fitting (explaining why they didn't really even kiss or show avert romantic feelings even with their added shots); he didn't even like or trust her for a while "keep your distance" was one of his lines to her. Meanwhile Andromeda had something to do as the [[OfficialCouple reason why Perseus wants to journey]], the revenge motivation (that wasn't complete because Hades survives anyway), was changed later giving Io more scenes and shafting Andromeda's. Perseus falls in love with [[LoveAtFirstSight Andromeda]] and believes it's time for gods to know a human life is worth equally as theirs, they kiss and have a romantic conclusion in the alternative ending which was the original one. This gets better, BrokenAesop? Not so much because Perseus travels to Olympus to face Zeus who believes he'll take his birthright among gods. Instead he stabs the floor to the ground, shaking the hall of gods, claiming that he's a man and he's real father was a fisherman which is far better than the CharacterDerailment that came from the theatrical release full of loopholes and sudden characterization shifts.
** Agreed. The changes make the {{Aesop}} that was led up to at the start of the film-- that everyone is responsible for their actions and cannot just get away with being dictatorial-- a LostAesop by completely ignoring it and having the war against the gods end without explanation. It was infuriating.
* Why replace Cetus with [[InNameOnly "the Kraken"]], instead of Typhon or something similar?
* You know what bugs me the worst? That the remake seemed cooler before the reshoot scenes changed everything! Among the changes from what was originally filmed: Zeus as the BigBad and a JerkassGod, Hades while still a villain for the gods isn't so much for the humans (he just wants to get back at Zeus) and he's defeated by the gods all thanks to the younger Olympians who thought Zeus had lost it, Apollo (who was introduced as mildly sympathetic in the beginning, opposing Hades and Zeus, but then dropped) was the one who gave Perseus the coin and felt kindship of a brother towards him, besides there is Athena who is cast as ReasonableAuthoryFigure who is the one who advices him to do this (and perhaps the one who sends Pegasus and the sword) which matches her role in the original movie as Perseus' protector. Io isn't a love interest, but a [[LikeBrotherAndSister big sister figure/mentor]] for Perseus which is so much fitting (explaining why they didn't really even kiss or show avert romantic feelings even with their added shots); he didn't even like or trust her for a while "keep your distance" was one of his lines to her. Meanwhile Andromeda had something to do as the [[OfficialCouple reason why Perseus wants to journey]], the revenge motivation (that wasn't complete because Hades survives anyway), was changed later giving Io more scenes and shafting Andromeda's. Perseus falls in love with [[LoveAtFirstSight Andromeda]] and believes it's time for gods to know a human life is worth equally as theirs, they kiss and have a romantic conclusion in the alternative ending which was the original one. This gets better, BrokenAesop? Not so much because Perseus travels to Olympus to face Zeus who believes he'll take his birthright among gods. Instead he stabs the floor to the ground, shaking the hall of gods, claiming that he's a man and he's real father was a fisherman which is far better than the CharacterDerailment that came from the theatrical release full of loopholes and sudden characterization shifts.
** Agreed. The changes make the {{Aesop}} that was led up to at the start of the film-- that everyone is responsible for their actions and cannot just get away with being dictatorial-- a LostAesop by completely ignoring it and having the war against the gods end without explanation. It was infuriating.
* Why replace Cetus with [[InNameOnly "the Kraken"]], instead of Typhon or something similar?
