History Headscratchers / Clannad

14th Sep '17 1:58:17 AM GrammarNavi
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** An in-depth discussion about this can by found on MyAnimeList right [[http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=194452 here]]

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** An in-depth discussion about this can by found on MyAnimeList Website/MyAnimeList right [[http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=194452 here]]
4th Sep '17 2:19:01 PM TheKaizerreich
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* So in the Yoshino plotline in After Story, you meet Kouko and work with her [[spoiler: to help Yoshino make a new album]] but years later you meet her and Yoshino and don't remember that [[spoiler: they were engaged.]]

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* So in the Yoshino plotline in After Story, you meet Kouko and work with her [[spoiler: to help Yoshino make a new album]] but years later you meet her and Yoshino and don't remember that [[spoiler: they were engaged.]]]]
* After Tomoya was expelled for a while, his teacher comes to his home to talk with his father, and since his father isn't at home, the teacher decides to wait. Inside... and we all know the place is a rotten mess that would likely require some pest exterminators. But when his father and teacher meet, the teacher is all nice and polite and shows no signs whatsoever that might indicate him thinking that Tomoya is kind of forced to live in absolute filth. WHY!? HOW!? If this happened in Europe or the USA, one call from the teacher would have child services and police come running down the street before you can blink. I know about the whole deal in Japan that problems are something that a family is supposed to solve by itself, but this goes too far.
4th Sep '17 2:11:41 PM TheKaizerreich
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11th Dec '16 2:48:59 PM Yidgamer2
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** It's an Asian thing. The people running the Thai food place near me does this in summer too, and I've been wondering why. I figured it out last summer at a festival, I was standing barefoot on a paved path, in line for water, and it was very hot, so I poured the last of my water on my feet and then it hit me. They do it for the benefit of people standing in line outside shops, barefoot.

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** It's an Asian thing. The people running the Thai food place near me does this in summer too, and I've been wondering why. I figured it out last summer at a festival, I was standing barefoot on a paved path, in line for water, and it was very hot, so I poured the last of my water on my feet and then it hit me. They do it for the benefit of people standing in line outside shops, barefoot.barefoot.
* So in the Yoshino plotline in After Story, you meet Kouko and work with her [[spoiler: to help Yoshino make a new album]] but years later you meet her and Yoshino and don't remember that [[spoiler: they were engaged.]]
18th Nov '16 3:41:58 PM monkey60t
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*** Although this was mostly a ploy made by the KeyVisuals writers, and was done in an effort to avoid offending a female coworker who had a DarkandTroubledPast in which her boyfriend [[TeenPregnancy knocked her up at the age of 14]], and her AbusiveParents threatened to disown her if she didn't get an abortion, which she did. The writers changed their plans of giving Tomoya (the player) the option to agree with Sanae's suggestion (which would cause a BittersweetEnding in which Nagisa survived, but spends the rest of her life brokenhearted due to never having given birth to Ushio) because they didn't want to "open old wounds", so to speak. I can understand trying not to offend people, but is it really worth [[TearJerker killing off everyone's favorite character?]]. [[IGotBetter Even if she does ultimately get better?]]. I don't think so.

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*** Although this was mostly a ploy made by the KeyVisuals writers, and was done in an effort to avoid offending a female coworker who had a DarkandTroubledPast in which her boyfriend [[TeenPregnancy knocked her up at the age of 14]], and her AbusiveParents threatened to disown her if she didn't get an abortion, which she did. The writers changed their plans of giving Tomoya (the player) the option to agree with Sanae's suggestion (which would cause a BittersweetEnding in which Nagisa survived, but spends the rest of her life brokenhearted due to never having given birth to Ushio) because they didn't want to "open old wounds", so to speak. I can understand trying not to offend people, but is it really worth [[TearJerker killing off everyone's favorite character?]]. [[IGotBetter [[UnexplainedRecovery Even if she does ultimately get better?]]. I don't think so.
18th Nov '16 3:40:11 PM monkey60t
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*** Although this was mostly a ploy made by the [[creator KeyVisuals]] writers, and was done in an effort to avoid offending a female coworker who had a [DarkandTroubledPast] in which her boyfriend [[TeenPregnancy knocked her up at the age of 14]], and her [[Abusive Parents]] threatened to disown her if she didn't get an abortion, which she did. The writers didn't want to "open old wounds", so to speak. I can understand not trying to offend people, but is it really worth [[TearJerker killing off everyone's favorite character?]]. [[IGotBetter Even if she does ultimately get better?]]. I don't think so.

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*** Although this was mostly a ploy made by the [[creator KeyVisuals]] KeyVisuals writers, and was done in an effort to avoid offending a female coworker who had a [DarkandTroubledPast] DarkandTroubledPast in which her boyfriend [[TeenPregnancy knocked her up at the age of 14]], and her [[Abusive Parents]] AbusiveParents threatened to disown her if she didn't get an abortion, which she did. The writers changed their plans of giving Tomoya (the player) the option to agree with Sanae's suggestion (which would cause a BittersweetEnding in which Nagisa survived, but spends the rest of her life brokenhearted due to never having given birth to Ushio) because they didn't want to "open old wounds", so to speak. I can understand not trying not to offend people, but is it really worth [[TearJerker killing off everyone's favorite character?]]. [[IGotBetter Even if she does ultimately get better?]]. I don't think so.
18th Nov '16 3:36:58 PM monkey60t
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** Actually, in both the anime and VN, they ''did'' realize instantly that every decision Nagisa made was shortsighted and dangerous, and they spend the next couple of episodes trying to change her mind. Sanae even went so far as to suggest Nagisa have an abortion; Tomoya didn't really say much one way or the other, but he didn't object to it. Nagisa refused. At that point, there was nothing they could do. Then, Nagisa decided she wanted a home-birth. Now, ''normally'' that's a fine idea – it relaxes the mother, helps form parent/child bonds, and so on – but given Nagisa's delicate constitution, it was better to go to the hospital. On that point, they finally managed to talk some sense into Nagisa and she agreed to go to the hospital… but she ended up going into labor early… during a heavy snowstorm. The ambulance couldn't make it in time.

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** Actually, in both the anime and VN, they ''did'' realize instantly that every decision Nagisa made was shortsighted and dangerous, and they spend the next couple of episodes trying to change her mind. Sanae even went so far as to suggest Nagisa have an abortion; Tomoya didn't really say much one way or the other, but he didn't object to it. Nagisa refused. At that point, there

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was nothing they could do. mostly a ploy made by the [[creator KeyVisuals]] writers, and was done in an effort to avoid offending a female coworker who had a [DarkandTroubledPast] in which her boyfriend [[TeenPregnancy knocked her up at the age of 14]], and her [[Abusive Parents]] threatened to disown her if she didn't get an abortion, which she did. The writers didn't want to "open old wounds", so to speak. I can understand not trying to offend people, but is it really worth [[TearJerker killing off everyone's favorite character?]]. [[IGotBetter Even if she does ultimately get better?]]. I don't think so.

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Then, Nagisa decided she wanted a home-birth. Now, ''normally'' that's a fine idea – it relaxes the mother, helps form parent/child bonds, and so on – but given Nagisa's delicate constitution, it was better to go to the hospital. On that point, they finally managed to talk some sense into Nagisa and she agreed to go to the hospital… but she ended up going into labor early… during a heavy snowstorm. The ambulance couldn't make it in time.
25th Sep '16 7:05:53 AM PrincessGwen
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* Episode 15 of After Story: So Nagisa is pregnant, and we all know giving birth isn't easy for the mother, specially if they're an IllGirl with a frail body, which can lead to [[DeathByChildbirth bad things]]. We all got this? Good. Then just WHY did Nagisa decide to give birth in her house (Itself fairly strange, but whatever), and what is worse, [[IdiotPlot why didn't Tomoya, her parents, or ANYONE realize how bad an idea this was]]? Did they forget how (for example) half the previous episode was about how hard it was for Nagisa to find a job due to her illness? I mean, this isn't a petty little detail, she's been ill since she was born. Did {{IdiotBall}}s rain the night before or what? And when she finally changes her mind, they just mention it by passing (So they could set the DeusAngstMachina I guess), as if it was a minor thing. Great.

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* Episode 15 of After Story: So Nagisa is pregnant, and we all know giving birth isn't easy for the mother, specially especially if they're an IllGirl with a frail body, which can lead to [[DeathByChildbirth bad things]]. We all got this? Good. Then just WHY did Nagisa decide to give birth in her house (Itself fairly strange, but whatever), and what is worse, [[IdiotPlot why didn't Tomoya, her parents, or ANYONE realize how bad an idea this was]]? Did they forget how (for example) half the previous episode was about how hard it was for Nagisa to find a job due to her illness? I mean, this isn't a petty little detail, she's been ill since she was born. Did {{IdiotBall}}s rain the night before or what? And when she finally changes her mind, they just mention it by passing (So they could set the DeusAngstMachina I guess), as if it was a minor thing. Great.



* And speaking of Tomoyo, first episode of ''After Story'': Tomoyo bats and gets a home-run. She then [[IdiotBall randomly decides to do a more femenine batting]] and gets nothing. Sunohara tries a home-run... run and fails (Not sure of the proper term, not a baseball fan, sorry), so he gets berated by Kyou... and Tomoyo. Who blame him as the cause for their current tie. Even though if Tomoyo had made a home run when she had the chance, they would be winning by one point. Huh... what? I know Sunohara is a ButtMonkey, but this is ridiculous.
** And on the baseball game topic: Why didn't nobody even for one second blame their sudden lead drop on the fact they lost their GameBreaker pitcher and his replacement being ''horribly weak''? And for that matter (Though this might be related to actual baseball rules), couldn't they have Kyou or Tomoyo do the pitching instead and give Nagisa a bat? You'd think having one horrible batter would be better than having a horrible pitcher. Or have Ryou pitch, she would've been better than Nagisa too. But nope, Nagisa does it and nobody minds it one bit.

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* And speaking of Tomoyo, first episode of ''After Story'': Tomoyo bats and gets a home-run. She then [[IdiotBall randomly decides to do a more femenine feminine batting]] and gets nothing. Sunohara tries a home-run... run and fails (Not sure of the proper term, not a baseball fan, sorry), so he gets berated by Kyou... and Tomoyo. Who blame him as the cause for their current tie. Even though if Tomoyo had made a home run when she had the chance, they would be winning by one point. Huh... what? I know Sunohara is a ButtMonkey, but this is ridiculous.
** And on the baseball game topic: Why didn't nobody anybody even for one second blame their sudden lead drop on the fact they lost their GameBreaker pitcher and his replacement being ''horribly weak''? And for that matter (Though this might be related to actual baseball rules), couldn't they have Kyou or Tomoyo do the pitching instead and give Nagisa a bat? You'd think having one horrible batter would be better than having a horrible pitcher. Or have Ryou pitch, she would've been better than Nagisa too. But nope, Nagisa does it and nobody minds it one bit.



** In the visual novel when you get to After Story you see that Yoshino Yuusuke has a cell phone.

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** In the visual novel when you get to After Story Story, you see that Yoshino Yuusuke has a cell phone.



** Sunohara actually has blond hair. The rest have variant shades of black hair, but as in YouGottaHaveBlueHair, hair colors can be used for personality or just to set them apart. Usually wild hair colors are just shorthand to tell characters apart.
** I think the main point was that blonde wasn't his natural hair color. The people with blue or purple hair are naturally colored that way.

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** Sunohara actually has blond hair. The rest have variant various shades of black hair, but as in YouGottaHaveBlueHair, hair colors can be used for personality or just to set them apart. Usually wild hair colors are just shorthand to tell characters apart.
** I think the main point was that blonde blond wasn't his natural hair color. The people with blue or purple hair are naturally colored that way.



* How come we never see Nagisa and Tomoya doing the deed. I know it's it's at the G rating, [[BleachedUnderpants but this is Key we are talking about]], the other Seasonverse games have H-scenes, so why not Clannad? They even had both a clean and unclean version of both ''VisualNovel/{{Air}}'' and ''VisualNovel/{{Kanon}}''. I know this is a stupid question and the obvious anwsers are either "[[GettingCrapPastTheRadar They can't get away with sex]]" and "[[{{Rule34}} Let the fans draw it then]]", but it must be said.

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* How come we never see Nagisa and Tomoya doing the deed. deed ? I know it's it's at the G rating, [[BleachedUnderpants but this is Key we are talking about]], the other Seasonverse games have H-scenes, so why not Clannad? They even had both a clean and unclean version of both ''VisualNovel/{{Air}}'' and ''VisualNovel/{{Kanon}}''. I know this is a stupid question and the obvious anwsers are either "[[GettingCrapPastTheRadar They can't get away with sex]]" and "[[{{Rule34}} Let the fans draw it then]]", but it must be said.



** I don't know if this is the case in the Japanese version, but in the English Dub, it's specifically stated that he was arrested for "dealing in something illegal". So yeah. If I had to guess, probably selling drugs or something else along those lines.

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** I don't know if this is the case in the Japanese version, but in the English Dub, dub, it's specifically stated that he was arrested for "dealing in something illegal". So yeah. If I had to guess, probably selling drugs or something else along those lines.



** It's an asian thing. The people running the thaifood place near me does this in sumemr too, and I've been wondering why. I figured it out last summer at a festival, I was standing barefoot on a paved path, inline for water, and it was very hot, so I poured the last of my water on my feet and then it hit me. They do it for the benefit of people standing in line outside shops, barefoot.

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** It's an asian Asian thing. The people running the thaifood Thai food place near me does this in sumemr summer too, and I've been wondering why. I figured it out last summer at a festival, I was standing barefoot on a paved path, inline in line for water, and it was very hot, so I poured the last of my water on my feet and then it hit me. They do it for the benefit of people standing in line outside shops, barefoot.
10th May '16 6:38:24 AM ferrelas
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** I think he wanted her to discover what was in there on her own, after all, the whole point of the suitcase is that her parents put their love of the child ahead of their work.
10th May '16 6:33:11 AM ferrelas
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** In the visual novel they mention both his old job, which was likely a steady job with honest coworkers, the one he had while Tomoya was growing up, and his new job, with more shady coworkers. A while before he gets busted, he metions that one of his coworkers has offered him a good opportunity, and Tomoya notes that if it were someone from his old job offering it to him, it would have been a good and honest deal, but since it's someone from his new job, it's probably a shady deal, which it later turns out to be. He was probably fired from the first job for drinking.
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