History Headscratchers / CaveStory

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* Why do fan artists always seem to draw Quote and Curly with fleshtone skin? I mean, seeing how there are genuine human characters with normal skin colors, I think it's safe to say that Quote and Curly being stark white is not simply an artistic convention on Pixel's part.
** I'm going with, nobody really cares. And shippers.
** I always assumed that the white tone wasn't actually depicting them as stark white, but rather porcelain-like in their skin, both shiny and extremely pale, but still with color, which would get more pronounced as they get dirtier, like if you were trudging through a mess of caves...
** If they are human-like enough that it takes people a while to notice they are robots, they are probably not pure white. More likely, Pixel took some creative license and used white to emphasize their paleness/lack-of-life-ness.
*** And then (for Quote at least, if not Curly too) there's the fact that they've been in caves for the last 10+ years. if that didn't make their probably humanesque skin superuberpale, nothing would.
** Most likely artistic license with the sprites. Perhaps Curly and Quote are more akin to a sort of super-perfectiom, where a casual observer wouldn't notice anything odd, but a close inspection would reveal that they're not human thanks to their otherworldly paleness and too-perfect features (no blemishes or irregularities, etc)

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* And another thing: there were several Mimiga that got turned crazy by the red flowers, and it's never explained why. The first is Igor in Egg Corridor, and you see red flower petals by his bed. The second is a crazed Mimiga in grass town who lives in a house with a broken window and also has red flower petals by his bed. It's stated that the Doctor hadn't found the red flowers by that time, so how did those Mimiga get turned crazy?

* And yet another thing, why are there red flowers in the basement of Arthur's House?

* Speaking of Mahin, A. why doesn't the doctor take him along with Jack and Sue initially, and B. why is he left there even after the other Mimiga are taken by the doctor? Was he forgotten?

*** (The original post was refering to when Mahin was in the jail, by the way, not the village.)

*** Which she then lights a fire in and repurposes to trap travelers, at least temporarily. Yes, there's Rule 34 on that.

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** Because, apparently, there is a difference between a Pignon and (a) Ma Pignon.

[[folder:General CaveStory]]
* "''Cave Story'' is a freeware MetroidVania game..." No, it's not. Why the hell do people keep calling it "MetroidVania"? Cave Story is only one step above Mario on the scale of linearity. There is no sequence breaking, all exploration is done in a progressive, linear fashion, and the ''only'' area you revisit is the Egg Corridor. But unlike a MetroidVania game, where you would use a new weapon or item to access a new section of the revisited area, the revisited Egg Corridor gets a completely new layout, new enemies, new hazards, new music, it's an entirely new level. There's no MetroidVania in here at all. It's missing '''EVERY''' MetroidVania element except the navigation via platforming.
** Highly Interconnected Areas, check. Focus on exploring, shaky. Sequence Breaking? Possible, but breaks the game in the one case I know about. Non-Linearity? See Sequence Breaking. Power-ups? Always given to you exactly when you need them, or even beforehand.
** You know, sequence breaking was never intended by Nintendo OR Konami when they made the namesake games.

** While we're at it, where in the blazes do those falling stones come from, when you're on the top of the island?
*** Hmm. How about... various rocks and debris falling off the island at the sides and bottom that, once in the vacuum created by the island falling, get sucked downwards?
*** Yes, but you're on ''top'' of the island ... Perhaps you mean they get sucked ''upwards''?
*** I meant that the debris falling off the bottom and side wouldn't fall as quickly as the island does, and that once ''over'' the island itself, it would then fall more quickly. [[Main/HollywoodScience Which doesn't make a great deal of sense...]]
*** If you consider that a falling island would pull a lot of the air above it down with it, it makes a bit more sense.
*** As the island falls, it pushes the air below it down, and leaves a vacuum above it. Any dislodged chunks of the island would be caught in the stream of air rushing to fill the vacuum, and fall towards the top of the island.
*** Actually, the simplest explanation is that the tower that Quote just came out of is collapsing, due to the Core/Doctor exploding and damaging it structurally.
*** ...Which ''still'' violates Newton's Second Law of Motion, but makes far more sense all of the above theories.
*** When you first reach the Balcony, there's a structure on the wall of the tower that contains life and missile pickups and containers filled with experience. When you come back to the place, that structure is gone. As such, the tower collapsing seems likely.
*** There's probably killer air resistance, which is slowing the island. Even without air resistance, it isn't neessarily falling at 1 g, either. The fact that your jumps aren't floatier can be chalked up to GameplayAndStorySegregation.
*** Guys, if you look closely at the island, you can see the tower at the left side of the island. Behind the tower is a huge, unexplored mountain. That is where all the rocks come from.
** All those cut scenes occur while the island is still falling. It isn't until after them you see it fall behind some forest and go "boom". Plus, the island has pyramid/triangles on the bottom, so perhaps that is diverting the brute force of the wind pressure to the edges that boosts the vacuum effect possibility above.
*** The cutscenes showing a slow pan over various places on the island take place before the island collapses, but then there's some shots (such as Sue and Itoh becoming human again, Balrog as a nurse) which take place after it.
*** That's not Balrog, it's the ghost from the labyrinth/Balrog recolor.
*** Pooh Black only appears in the Sacred Grounds ending. If you just jump off the island, Balrog appears.
** The fact that the island inhabitants are still fine after it falls isn't relevant to the characters panicking to get off of it because ''they can't see the future''. How would they have known that the crash wouldn't hurt them? Them being fine is FridgeLogic on it's own, but scrambling to escape is just common sense in that situation. In real life, being in an airborne vehicle when it crash lands is typically fatal.

** Just remembered: The last note on the computer is the same as Prof Booster's last words (if he dies in the Labyrinth): "I pray for your victory." So if those notes are from Booster, that just raises the further question of how and why did he leave them in an abandoned cottage in the waterway?

* What's the big deal about this game anyway? I mean, I played it, and I thought it was a good game, and it's impressive that one guy did everything and all, but I don't see why everyone acts like it's literally the best thing since sliced bread. [[HypocrisyNod That's what I think about]] VideoGame/{{Iji}}.
** It's a commercial-quality game that was made by one guy, has great game play and replay value, very decent plot and dialogue (unusual for games of this genre), a good musical score, is computationally and graphically un-demanding, and was given away for free(!) for the entire internet to play. Seriously, what's not to like? [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cave_Story#Reception Professional reviewers concur]].
** Also, read [[http://www.barbelith.com/topic/28650 this]] forum post.
** I think Iji is the best freeware game of all time, but Cave Story is ridiculously close behind it (Iji's brilliant writing gives it a slight edge in my eyes).
*** Agreed. I wouldn't have even heard of Cave Story if Iji wasn't continuously compared to it. I think Iji might have the edge... but Cave Story's so close behind it isn't funny
** For me too, Iji wins, but again, it's a very small margin of victory.
** It helps that Cave Story came out almost four years beforehand. Time and exposure makes people more likely to be familiar with Cave Story than Iji. Given that comparisons between the two are frequent and reasonable, most people are going to prefer the one they came across first, which would usually be Cave Story.

** My own theory is that their magic works like Literature/LordOfTheRings magic; that is, whenever you use magic to create or enchant something, the power spent is lost for good. I imagine placing the seal on the Seal Chamber, building the Labyrinth, and creating the Core would leave her rather weak, possibly using up her powers entirely. She probably has enough magic left to keep herself from dying of old age, but not much more than that.

* What's the big deal about this game anyway? I mean, I played it, and I thought it was a good game, and it's impressive that one guy did everything and all, but I don't see why everyone acts like it's literally the best thing since sliced bread. [[{{Hypocrisy Nod}} That's what I think about Iji.]]

** [[http://fmsanctity.darkbb.com/t95-cave-story-hurts-so-good-18 *cough* (NSFW)]]

*** [[http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5868547/1/When_Curly_finds_her_Unmentionables Read the Omake at the bottom. That's why.]] (NSFW)

*** [[http://fmsanctity.darkbb.com/t95-cave-story-hurts-so-good-18 I'll just leave]] [[http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5880072/1/The_Purple_Mimigas_Love these right here]] (both links are NSFW.)

** I'm going with, [[TheyJustDidntCare nobody really cares]]. And shippers.

*** My personal WMG: Curly Brace is an [[{{Terminator}} advanced prototype]] equipped with a device intended to replicate the Demon Crown's VillainTeleportation. However, since it's based on ''Villain'' Teleportation, whoever uses it ends up severely damaged on the other end.

** The simpler answer is that she COULD use magic...buy seeing what it did to her brother, refuses to.

** My own theory is that their magic works like LordOfTheRings magic; that is, whenever you use magic to create or enchant something, the power spent is lost for good. I imagine placing the seal on the Seal Chamber, building the Labyrinth, and creating the Core would leave her rather weak, possibly using up her powers entirely. She probably has enough magic left to keep herself from dying of old age, but not much more than that.

*** That or Quote and Curly are "master copies" for the more specialized units to follow. These specializations would most certainly include JamesBond-style espionage.

*** Or maybe it's just the Ditzies. (/ obscure FraggleRock reference).