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** I always got the idea that after Angel dies, Handsome Jack sort of drops the bullsh*t trolling he does and starts taking the PC seriously and isn't going to lie to them, because ItsPersonal now and he wants all cards on the table, as his manner in dealing with PC changes from trolling to loathing. Therefore, I'd say that when he says that his wife was killed by Angel, it sounds as though he's telling the truth because of what stage he's at that point in the story, although that's just my interpretation of events.
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* So...did Gearbox contract {{Funimation}} for the voice acting, or what? Because like 90% of the voices are anime regulars, who generally don't do video games. Sure, ColleenClinkenbeard was in the first one, but we've also got LuciChristian, RobertMcCollum, Creator/ChristopherSabat, JamieMarchi...I think the only ones I didn't hear were people like MicahSolusod and MonicaRial, who are probably busy with ''LightNovel/ACertainMagicalIndex''. I'm not complaining, just...what?
** Actually, both of them show up as background characters (MonicaRial shows up as the paranoid Santuary Citizen voice). I'd say they probably did.
** Actually, both of them show up as background characters (MonicaRial shows up as the paranoid Santuary Citizen voice). I'd say they probably did.
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** Actually, both of them show up as background characters(MonicaRial (Creator/MonicaRial shows up as the paranoid Santuary Citizen voice). I'd say they probably did.
** Actually, both of them show up as background characters
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* So...did Gearbox contract {{Funimation}} for the voice acting, or what? Because like 90% of the voices are anime regulars, who generally don't do video games. Sure, ColleenClinkenbeard was in the first one, but we've also got LuciChristian, RobertMcCollum, ChristopherSabat, JamieMarchi...I think the only ones I didn't hear were people like MicahSolusod and MonicaRial, who are probably busy with ''LightNovel/ACertainMagicalIndex''. I'm not complaining, just...what?
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* So...did Gearbox contract {{Funimation}} for the voice acting, or what? Because like 90% of the voices are anime regulars, who generally don't do video games. Sure, ColleenClinkenbeard was in the first one, but we've also got LuciChristian, RobertMcCollum, ChristopherSabat, Creator/ChristopherSabat, JamieMarchi...I think the only ones I didn't hear were people like MicahSolusod and MonicaRial, who are probably busy with ''LightNovel/ACertainMagicalIndex''. I'm not complaining, just...what?
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*** Roland seems to be in his 30s at least, though. It seems most likely that it is either a slip of the mind from Gearbox, or that the date system is different on his home planet.
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** In the case of the "Sword Gun" Mister Torgue is probably insane enough to tell his company to "MAKE A GUN THAT SHOOTS SWORDS AND GIVE IT TO THE ULTIMATE BADASS BECAUSE THAT'S AWESOME"
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** Most of the story is told by Marcus; ''Tiny Tina's Assault on Dragon Keep'' is a role-play done by Tiny Tina, and Marcus decides to use some things that she came up with in his main story.
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**** Actually, it's given to him [[spoiler: if you let Lilith kill him in the endgame. That head model is from his corpse.]] You can literally watch it be burned onto him. It's more of a general Pandora/Vault symbol anyway.
***** That explanation has been circulating around, despite having a massive hole: if it's that recent, then ''why is he wearing a mask in the first place''.
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** Given his narcissism, and how he took control of Hyperion, it's entirely possible that the mask is the face of the previous head of Hyperion, sort of a "I killed/took over from this guy and now I'm wearing his face as a trophy" sort of morbid thing.
*** Just a bit of FridgeHorror: Handsome Jack's body doubles wear the same mask. That means whoever the face originally came from had their face removed at least twice.
*** Just a bit of FridgeHorror: Handsome Jack's body doubles wear the same mask. That means whoever the face originally came from had their face removed at least twice.
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** Um, actually, according to ''Borderlands: Origins'' that's exactly how it works. Or rather, a new Siren is born the moment a Siren dies.
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** Because its Borderlands. It doesn't really have to make sense.
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How exactly does that work? The whole thing takes place in her imagination, so it doesn't really make sense that you're able to take the very imaginary weapons you find there and use them to blow up Pandora's very not imaginary bandits, loaders, etc. I'm not complaining, of course, but I am a little confused.
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Alright, pulling this as blatant falseness. I\'ve never seen any moonshot blitzes after Sanctuary lifts in a year of playing this game.
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**** Jack actually does attack Sanctuary again with moonshot blitzes, potentially even immediately after you return to the city from the Overlook fast-travel station. Just stand around inside the city for awhile and the orbital Hyperion space station will randomly fire moonshot mortars at the city, which will inexplicably be blocked by a shield that the city should not still have. It's probably a plothole but it does happen. Or maybe the Crimson Raiders managed to scrounge up a backup power core while you were galavanting around in the Fridge and the Highlands and Roland and Lilith tried to bluff Jack into not bothering to attack them so they wouldn't have to use it up powering the shield, but Jack silently called them on that bluff off-screen or something.
*** Hold up. Citation Needed on moonshot blitzes still happening after Sanctuary lifts off. I've never once seen any moonshot blitzes happen after Sanctuary lifts off, ''ever''.
*** Hold up. Citation Needed on moonshot blitzes still happening after Sanctuary lifts off. I've never once seen any moonshot blitzes happen after Sanctuary lifts off, ''ever''.
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** This seems the most likely explanation. Jack knows some stuff about how Hyperion tech works, and would personally does not regard his reconstructed body as anything but a clone. For everyone else, he doesn't care if they're "real" or not, just that they are respawning and paying him for it.
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How does everyone on Pandora know you're a Vault Hunter just by looking at you? Is there some kind of nametag thing going on?
* Hyperion's wanted posters, coupled with pictures of the Vault Hunters being circulated - not to mention showing up to be a Vault Hunter seems to be a pretty big deal. This isn't some medieval society where everything is word of mouth and word takes months to get around. Everyone's got an ECHO device and people talk and send pictures. The Raiders already know who the Vault Hunters are even before they reach the shoreline outside of Sanctuary.
* Hyperion's wanted posters, coupled with pictures of the Vault Hunters being circulated - not to mention showing up to be a Vault Hunter seems to be a pretty big deal. This isn't some medieval society where everything is word of mouth and word takes months to get around. Everyone's got an ECHO device and people talk and send pictures. The Raiders already know who the Vault Hunters are even before they reach the shoreline outside of Sanctuary.
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**** There's also the fact that Sanctuary itself isn't really that much of a problem for Jack, it's the fact that Roland set up his base of operations there that makes it a problem. Once Roland is dead, the Crimson Raiders can't really do much, and as a result Sanctuary isn't much of a threat. The only things that threaten him at that point are Brick, Mordecai, and the PC. Of those, he wants to kill the PC himself, Brick is more of a threat due to his control over the Slabs (who aren't in Sanctuary anyway), and Mordecai is more of a loner. The other thing is that neither Brick nor Mordecai are bound to the city like Roland was; they do stay there, but Jack doesn't know that. As far as he knows, they're still running around Thousand Cuts or Tundra Express, meaning that if he attacks Sanctuary, all he's doing is risking killing the PC, who he explicitly ''doesn't'' want to kill.
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** Jack spends a good chunk of his time trying to kill off the original Vault Hunters; it wouldn't be surprising if he had taken them out of the New-U system.
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*** Hold up. Citation Needed on moonshot blitzes still happening after Sanctuary lifts off. I've never once seen any moonshot blitzes happen after Sanctuary lifts off, ''ever''.
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** Digistruction modules probably work by turning matter into energy and vise versa, and rearranging stored energy/matter into new shapes with blueprints. When you fast travel your body is broken down into energy by a digistruction module and broadcast through the air to the receiving fast-travel station where it is turned back into matter and rearranged back into a function body. The Renew-U stations remotely deconstruct your dead body and rebuild a new one from the same component atoms. (This is probably why the fast-travel stations and renew-U stations were the same machines in the first Borderlands, they work on the exact same principles.) When you scan a bandit technical into Scooter's catch-a-ride system that gives him the blueprints for a bandit technical, but the raw materials used to construct new ones comes from scrap metal in Ellie's junkyard and Scooter's garage which is remotely beamed to whichever catch-a-ride location you are using. Vending machines work the same way, Marcus beams the raw materials to the vending machine from his personal warehouse and the vending machine builds the gun using those raw materials and the blueprint. Same deal with Tediore guns, when the gun explodes your personal digistruction module that stores all your guns and ammo remotely deconstructs the exploded bits of the gun and rebuilds literally the same gun in your hands (the ammo that was expended to fuel the explosion is lost however). This is why you still have to pay for things from vending machines and why Eridium can't be replicated and why Pandora is still a scavenger world, digistruction may be a wonderful technology that can build and duplicate virtually anything but you still need to find the raw materials first. And raw materials can be in short supply on Pandora.
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**** Jack actually does attack Sanctuary again with moonshot blitzes, potentially even immediately after you return to the city from the Overlook fast-travel station. Just stand around inside the city for awhile and the orbital Hyperion space station will randomly fire moonshot mortars at the city, which will inexplicably be blocked by a shield that the city should not still have. It's probably a plothole but it does happen. Or maybe the Crimson Raiders managed to scrounge up a backup power core while you were galavanting around in the Fridge and the Highlands and Roland and Lilith tried to bluff Jack into not bothering to attack them so they wouldn't have to use it up powering the shield, but Jack silently called them on that bluff off-screen or something.
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As the guy who wrote that piece on the Fridge page, it was intended as observation, not a question, and the second part is juts a nattery response.
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* Why doesn't Krieg appear with the other Vault Hunters on the train in the intro? Going by his backstory movie, he ''was'' on the train, or at least, hanging on the ''side'' of the train.
** Same reason Gaige doesn't: Because it would be annoying to re-make the entire opening cutscene to add one character. Krieg at least got an explicit justification, in that he was outside the train. Presumably he missed all the fighting.
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** Same reason Gaige doesn't: Because it would be annoying to re-make the entire opening cutscene to add one character. Krieg at least got an explicit justification, in that he was outside the train. Presumably he missed all the fighting.
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** Same reason Gaige doesn't: Because it would be annoying to re-make the entire opening cutscene to add one character. Krieg at least got an explicit justification, in that he was outside the train. Presumably he missed all the fighting.
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** Same reason Gaige doesn't: Because it would be annoying to re-make the entire opening cutscene to add one character. Krieg at least got an explicit justification, in that he was outside the train. Presumably he missed all the fighting.
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*** Way I see it, Doc Mercy got the license so he knows what parts to hit people in to hurt them more.
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*** That makes sense. Assuming he meant to write "5248" (and made one hell of a typo by screwing up the order that much), and that he was homeschooled until the normal graduating age of 18, then the game would be 9 years after graduation, making him 27.
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*** It makes a lot more sense if you assume that most Digistruction is just "hyperstorage." Most cases of digistruction (New-U stations and Tediore guns notwithstanding) don't actually create something new. Say a Digistruct unit just allows it to convert matter to energy and then back again later, with some odd applications popping up now and again. There may be a replication technology, but it's probably very rough; the "upgraded" Digistruct units the new Vault Hunters carry might be upgraded with a unit to allow it to function as a MatterReplicator for simple shapes, thus meaning that a Tediore gun is really just a batch of replicator code. As for the New-U stations, there's an element of GameplayAndStorySegregation here, but it's possible to construct a rough explanation if you assume that each New-U packs a storage unit containing all of the carbon, oxygen, hydrogen, etc. that a human body is composed of, then uses the on-file genetic code of the customer to arrange it. (The New-U stations do have your genetic code registered; it's literally the first thing you do in [[{{Borderlands}} BL1]]).
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*** It makes a lot more sense if you assume that most Digistruction is just "hyperstorage." Most cases of digistruction (New-U stations and Tediore guns notwithstanding) don't actually create something new. Say a Digistruct unit just allows it to convert matter to energy and then back again later, with some odd applications popping up now and again. There may be a replication technology, but it's probably very rough; the "upgraded" Digistruct units the new Vault Hunters carry might be upgraded with a unit to allow it to function as a MatterReplicator for simple shapes, thus meaning that a Tediore gun is really just a batch of replicator code. As for the New-U stations, there's an element of GameplayAndStorySegregation here, but it's possible to construct a rough explanation if you assume that each New-U packs a storage unit containing all of the carbon, oxygen, hydrogen, etc. that a human body is composed of, then uses the on-file genetic code of the customer to arrange it. (The New-U stations do have your genetic code registered; it's literally the first thing you do in [[{{Borderlands}} [[VideoGame/{{Borderlands}} BL1]]).
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*** It makes a lot more sense if you assume that most Digistruction is just "hyperstorage." Most cases of digistruction (New-U stations and Tediore guns notwithstanding) don't actually create something new. Say a Digistruct unit just allows it to convert matter to energy and then back again later, with some odd applications popping up now and again. There may be a replication technology, but it's probably very rough; the "upgraded" Digistruct units the new Vault Hunters carry might be upgraded with a unit to allow it to function as a MatterReplicator for simple shapes, thus meaning that a Tediore gun is really just a batch of replicator code. As for the New-U stations, there's an element of GameplayAndStorySegregation here, but it's possible to construct a rough explanation if you assume that each New-U packs a storage unit containing all of the carbon, oxygen, hydrogen, etc. that a human body is composed of, then uses the on-file genetic code of the customer to arrange it. (The New-U stations do have your genetic code registered; it's literally the first thing you do in BL1).
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*** It makes a lot more sense if you assume that most Digistruction is just "hyperstorage." Most cases of digistruction (New-U stations and Tediore guns notwithstanding) don't actually create something new. Say a Digistruct unit just allows it to convert matter to energy and then back again later, with some odd applications popping up now and again. There may be a replication technology, but it's probably very rough; the "upgraded" Digistruct units the new Vault Hunters carry might be upgraded with a unit to allow it to function as a MatterReplicator for simple shapes, thus meaning that a Tediore gun is really just a batch of replicator code. As for the New-U stations, there's an element of GameplayAndStorySegregation here, but it's possible to construct a rough explanation if you assume that each New-U packs a storage unit containing all of the carbon, oxygen, hydrogen, etc. that a human body is composed of, then uses the on-file genetic code of the customer to arrange it. (The New-U stations do have your genetic code registered; it's literally the first thing you do in BL1).[[{{Borderlands}} BL1]]).
*** Speaking of the original borderlands... Roland's genetic code is on file with New-U, right? Why didn't he ''respawn'' when Jack kills him? (aside from the Gearbox writers needed a DeathByNewberyMedal instance to make the player hate Jack)? Heck, why not have him respawn at the end of ''Assault on Dragon Keep'' and make it a happy ending?
*** Speaking of the original borderlands... Roland's genetic code is on file with New-U, right? Why didn't he ''respawn'' when Jack kills him? (aside from the Gearbox writers needed a DeathByNewberyMedal instance to make the player hate Jack)? Heck, why not have him respawn at the end of ''Assault on Dragon Keep'' and make it a happy ending?
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***** That explanation has been circulating around, despite having a massive hole: if it's that recent, then ''why is he wearing a mask in the first place''.
** Jack's wearing a mask. I don't really see the mystery here. He wears it because his real face is horribly scarred and ugly. It's also why he calls himself '''Handsome''' Jack. He doesn't want to be ugly.
** Jack's wearing a mask. I don't really see the mystery here. He wears it because his real face is horribly scarred and ugly. It's also why he calls himself '''Handsome''' Jack. He doesn't want to be ugly.