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** For this explanation to make sense I'll have to reference an event that happened in real life. [[https://edition.cnn.com/2017/12/01/health/dnr-do-no-resuscitate-tattoo-medical-debate-trnd/index.html In 2017, a man in Florida was found unconscious and when the emergency responders had to unbutton his shirt, they found a tattoo reading "Do not resuscitate"]]. After debating on whether or not they should save him, they chose to let him die and were able to keep their jobs because there was a legal written document in the old man's house that said that nobody should resuscitate him if the worst came to be. From then on, it caused a debate on whether or not a tattoo is legally binding and they ultimately decided that a tattoo is not enough evidence to authorise the request. The devs must have wanted to pose a trick question for the player and have decided that the pre-recorded message doesn't authorise Gil's death, especially since the creature is practically begging to be spared and let go. Even if he's released, [[AndIMustScream his life will be incredibly lonely due to his mutation and the adam won't be there forever]]. Gil may be a mutant but he's still human and deserves the right to speak for himself.

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** For this explanation to make sense I'll have to reference an event that happened in real life. [[https://edition.cnn.com/2017/12/01/health/dnr-do-no-resuscitate-tattoo-medical-debate-trnd/index.html In 2017, a man in Florida was found unconscious and when the emergency responders had to unbutton his shirt, they found a tattoo reading "Do not resuscitate"]]. After debating on whether or not they should save him, they chose to let him die and were able to keep their jobs because there was a legal written document in the old man's house that said that nobody should resuscitate him if the worst came to be. From then on, it caused a debate on whether or not a tattoo is legally binding and they ultimately decided that a tattoo is not enough evidence to authorise the request. The devs must have wanted to pose a trick question for the player and have decided that the pre-recorded message doesn't authorise Gil's death, especially since the creature is practically begging to be spared and let go. Even if he's released, [[AndIMustScream his life will The creature may not be incredibly lonely due to his mutation and human or even the adam won't be there forever]]. Gil may be a mutant original Gilbert anymore but he's it still human and deserves has the right to speak for himself.himself and the right to live.

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** For this explanation to make sense I'll have to reference an event that happened in real life. [[https://edition.cnn.com/2017/12/01/health/dnr-do-no-resuscitate-tattoo-medical-debate-trnd/index.html In 2017, a man in Florida was found unconscious and when the emergency responders had to unbutton his shirt, they found a tattoo reading "Do not resuscitate"]]. After debating on whether or not they should save him, they chose to let him die and were able to keep their jobs because there was a legal written document in the old man's house that said that nobody should resuscitate him if the worst came to be. From then on, it caused a debate on whether or not a tattoo is legally binding and they ultimately decided that a tattoo is not enough evidence to authorise the request. The devs must have wanted to pose a trick question for the player and have decided that the pre-mutated Gilbert's request isn't enough to justify killing his mutant self or legally binding, especially since the creature is practically begging to be spared and let go. Even if he's released, his life will be incredibly lonely due to his mutation.

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** For this explanation to make sense I'll have to reference an event that happened in real life. [[https://edition.cnn.com/2017/12/01/health/dnr-do-no-resuscitate-tattoo-medical-debate-trnd/index.html In 2017, a man in Florida was found unconscious and when the emergency responders had to unbutton his shirt, they found a tattoo reading "Do not resuscitate"]]. After debating on whether or not they should save him, they chose to let him die and were able to keep their jobs because there was a legal written document in the old man's house that said that nobody should resuscitate him if the worst came to be. From then on, it caused a debate on whether or not a tattoo is legally binding and they ultimately decided that a tattoo is not enough evidence to authorise the request. The devs must have wanted to pose a trick question for the player and have decided that the pre-mutated Gilbert's request isn't enough to justify killing his mutant self or legally binding, pre-recorded message doesn't authorise Gil's death, especially since the creature is practically begging to be spared and let go. Even if he's released, [[AndIMustScream his life will be incredibly lonely due to his mutation.mutation and the adam won't be there forever]]. Gil may be a mutant but he's still human and deserves the right to speak for himself.

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** For this explanation to make sense I'll have to reference an event that happened in real life. [[https://edition.cnn.com/2017/12/01/health/dnr-do-no-resuscitate-tattoo-medical-debate-trnd/index.html In 2017, a 70-year-old man was unconscious and when the paramedics had to unbutton his shirt, they found a tattoo reading "Do not resuscitate"]]. It caused a similar debate because the emergency responders chose to let the man die and from that point onwards, it was decided that tattoos are "not legally binding" and "too ambiguous" if they lack the authentication for this sort of request[[note]] D.N.R can stand for anything such as a person's initials or a different acronym altogether[[/note]]. The devs must have decided that Gilbert's request was not legally binding especially since his current form is begging Delta to spare him.

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** For this explanation to make sense I'll have to reference an event that happened in real life. [[https://edition.cnn.com/2017/12/01/health/dnr-do-no-resuscitate-tattoo-medical-debate-trnd/index.html In 2017, a 70-year-old man in Florida was found unconscious and when the paramedics emergency responders had to unbutton his shirt, they found a tattoo reading "Do not resuscitate"]]. It caused a similar debate because the emergency responders After debating on whether or not they should save him, they chose to let the man him die and from were able to keep their jobs because there was a legal written document in the old man's house that point onwards, said that nobody should resuscitate him if the worst came to be. From then on, it was caused a debate on whether or not a tattoo is legally binding and they ultimately decided that tattoos are "not legally binding" and "too ambiguous" if they lack a tattoo is not enough evidence to authorise the authentication for this sort of request[[note]] D.N.R can stand for anything such as a person's initials or a different acronym altogether[[/note]]. request. The devs must have wanted to pose a trick question for the player and have decided that the pre-mutated Gilbert's request was not isn't enough to justify killing his mutant self or legally binding binding, especially since his current form the creature is practically begging Delta to spare him.be spared and let go. Even if he's released, his life will be incredibly lonely due to his mutation.
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** For this explanation to make sense I'll have to reference an event that happened in real life. [[https://edition.cnn.com/2017/12/01/health/dnr-do-no-resuscitate-tattoo-medical-debate-trnd/index.html In 2017, a 70-year-old man was unconscious and when the paramedics had to unbutton his shirt, they found a tattoo reading "Do not resuscitate"]]. It caused a similar debate because the emergency responders chose to let the man die and from that point onwards, it was decided that tattoos are "not legally binding" and "too ambiguous" if they lack the authentication for this sort of request[[note]] D.N.R can stand for anything such as a person's initials or a different acronym altogether[[/note]]. The devs must have decided that Gilbert's request was not legally binding especially since his current form is begging Delta to spare him.
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*** Technically, the question is how Poole survived UNTIL Delta got there TEN YEARS AFTER HE FLOODED THE PARK. Although, in this case, I assumed he realized just how destructive his plan was going to be this time (even if he didn't give a damn about the morality), and stocked up on food and water CrazySurvivalist style before locking himself in the booth - the reason there's little evidence of it when you get there is because, [[RealityEnsues after ten years, he's just about used it all up]]. This would also help explain why he [[{{Railroading}} Railroaded]] Delta from his little quest - seeing as he was going OneManArmy against Lamb's tyranny, Poole thought that Delta was his only shot at getting out of the park, even though he repeatedly screwed him over in the past. This would be especially true in a Good playthrough, as Poole would've thought that, since Delta was so merciful to the Little Sisters and Grace Holloway, [[TemptingFate surely he'd have some pity for poor Uncle Stanley, right?]] This makes less sense in an Evil playthrough, since Delta's slaughtering his way through all of Rapture no matter what, but it's still possible to chalk it up to desperation on Poole's part for any break, no matter how suicidal, from just starving to death.

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*** Technically, the question is how Poole survived UNTIL Delta got there TEN YEARS AFTER HE FLOODED THE PARK. Although, in this case, I assumed he realized just how destructive his plan was going to be this time (even if he didn't give a damn about the morality), and stocked up on food and water CrazySurvivalist style before locking himself in the booth - the reason there's little evidence of it when you get there is because, [[RealityEnsues [[SurprisinglyRealisticOutcome after ten years, he's just about used it all up]]. This would also help explain why he [[{{Railroading}} Railroaded]] Delta from his little quest - seeing as he was going OneManArmy against Lamb's tyranny, Poole thought that Delta was his only shot at getting out of the park, even though he repeatedly screwed him over in the past. This would be especially true in a Good playthrough, as Poole would've thought that, since Delta was so merciful to the Little Sisters and Grace Holloway, [[TemptingFate surely he'd have some pity for poor Uncle Stanley, right?]] This makes less sense in an Evil playthrough, since Delta's slaughtering his way through all of Rapture no matter what, but it's still possible to chalk it up to desperation on Poole's part for any break, no matter how suicidal, from just starving to death.
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*** It does. However, there's simply no way to deal with Splicers non-lethaly. You cannot scare them away or incapacitate the. A shame, in my opinion, but that's how it is. So the difference is "self-defence against an unrelenting opponent" vs. "execution of a defenceless opponent ''who's begging for their life''".

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*** It does. However, there's simply no way to deal with Splicers non-lethaly.non-lethally. You cannot scare them away or incapacitate the. A shame, in my opinion, but that's how it is. So the difference is "self-defence against an unrelenting opponent" vs. "execution of a defenceless opponent ''who's begging for their life''".






** Depends on whether you think Andrew Ryan is dead or not. He's [[spoiler: [[Main/LukeIAmYourFather Jack's father]]]], and the Vita-Chambers are triggered by DNA keys, so it's possible he came back.

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** Depends on whether you think Andrew Ryan is dead or not. He's [[spoiler: [[Main/LukeIAmYourFather [[LukeIAmYourFather Jack's father]]]], and the Vita-Chambers are triggered by DNA keys, so it's possible he came back.






** Don't know if you'd noticed this, but everyone in Rapture is ''fucking crazy''. Lamb is not Fontaine. Her plan makes no sense because she's a fanatic. Fanatic's don't tend to make a lot of sense

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** Don't know if you'd noticed this, but everyone in Rapture is ''fucking crazy''. Lamb is not Fontaine. Her plan makes no sense because she's a fanatic. Fanatic's Fanatics don't tend to make a lot of sense



** So that no one needed to see the [[https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/bioshock/images/9/95/SubjectGamaConcepts1.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1000?cb=20111025120111 probably hideous face of a Big Daddy]] further ruined by a headshot?



** Tenenbaum supplied Eleanor with her antidote plasmid while they were conspiring to bring Delta back from the dead and they integrated it into his genetic makeup. It makes sense since Tenenbaum wanted to save them and Eleanor needed her genetic engineering experience to trick the Vita chambers. As for Sigma Tenenbaum convinced him to take it, or tricked him, before he headed into Manervurs Den again to serve her agenda.

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** Tenenbaum supplied Eleanor with her antidote plasmid while they were conspiring to bring Delta back from the dead and they integrated it into his genetic makeup. It makes sense since Tenenbaum wanted to save them and Eleanor needed her genetic engineering experience to trick the Vita chambers. As for Sigma Tenenbaum convinced him to take it, or tricked him, before he headed into Manervurs Manuever's Den again to serve her agenda.



* Yaay, I spared everyone and got the good ending! Yaay, my adoptive daughter and I finally made it to the surfa-- wait, what? What's she doing to me? ''Why did Elanor just absorb me into her mind?''

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* Yaay, I spared everyone and got the good ending! Yaay, my adoptive daughter and I finally made it to the surfa-- wait, what? What's she doing to me? ''Why did Elanor Eleanor just absorb me into her mind?''
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** Because Delta is stealing ADAM from the Family when he brings Little Sisters to gather the stuff.
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** Or maybe she did ask for his help and he told her no. In between having to care for his five adopted daughters and the probable PTSD from his previous experiences, it'd make sense for Tenenbaum to not want to push him to go back.



* Yaay, I spared everyone and got the good ending! Yaay, my adoptive daughter and I finally made it to the surfa-- wait, what? What's she doing to me? ''Why did Elanor just absorb me into her mind?''

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* Yaay, I spared everyone and got the good ending! Yaay, my adoptive daughter and I finally made it to the surfa-- wait, what? What's she doing to me? ''Why did Elanor just absorb me into her mind?''mind?''
** Because Delta was dying of heart failure and there was no way for Eleanor to save him. Preserving his memories was the best she could do.
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** There's no way of knowing how big the Little Sister operation was and if Tenenbaum knew every Sister and how many there were. I like to imagine that after Fontaine's death in the Good Ending Tenenbaum met Lamb, was told a rosy, positive version of Lamb's plans for the city, and left for the surface with a clear conscience. Tenenbaum could even have seen and un-slugged Eleanor and been told "She's my daughter, I'm keeping her".
** As for not bringing Jack back down with her, Tenenbaum clearly feels a lot of guilt about what she's done, and one of her audio diaries says that the Little Ones she turned into Sisters no longer think of her, so it seems like she's not close with them. She might think Jack would be unwilling to come with her, or decide that he deserved to stay topside, or think the problem was small enough that she could sort it out alone.


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** Fish has got to be some of it. There were fishermen in Rapture as of the start of the war.
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* So why, out of all big daddies in either game, does ''Delta alone'' cause a telepathic mob of splicers to suddenly manifest when he takes a Little Sister Adam hunting?

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* So why, out of all big daddies in either game, does ''Delta alone'' cause a telepathic mob of splicers to suddenly manifest when he takes a Little Sister Adam hunting?hunting?
* Yaay, I spared everyone and got the good ending! Yaay, my adoptive daughter and I finally made it to the surfa-- wait, what? What's she doing to me? ''Why did Elanor just absorb me into her mind?''
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** Admitedly this does, however, raise another question: Once a Big Daddy has injested food, how does he... [[NobodyPoops get rid of it again]]?

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** Admitedly this does, however, raise another question: Once a Big Daddy has injested food, how does he... [[NobodyPoops get rid of it again]]?again]]? They are steam welded to the inside of those suits, after all.
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* So why, out of all big daddies in either game, does ''Delta Alone'' cause a telepathic mob of splicers to suddenly manifest when he takes a Little Sister Adam hunting?

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* So why, out of all big daddies in either game, does ''Delta Alone'' alone'' cause a telepathic mob of splicers to suddenly manifest when he takes a Little Sister Adam hunting?
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** Admitedly this does, however, raise another question: Once a Big Daddy has injested food, how does he... [[NobodyPoops get rid of it again]]?



** Two big reasons. First and foremost the exact nature if Big Daddies wasn't made public when they went into service. Ryan didn't want the public panicking or for it to be too obvious what was happening to political dissenters in the supposedly free society of Rapture so he deliberately kept public knowledge vague. All people knew was not to get in the Big Daddies way or make a move on the little sister lest he snap your spine like a tooth pick which left the rest up to memory. In fact you can see in Burial at Sea there were pornographic stories being authored portraying them as strapping young men in diving suits. Second though is that Delta is not behaving like any ordinary Big Daddy and displaying a level of creativity that makes his independent intelligence apparent. No normal Big Daddy would bother trekking across all of Rapture to hunt down one specific little sister nor have the presence of mind to use the Atlantic Express to cut down on travel time rather then simply walking across the ocean floor.

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** Two big reasons. First and foremost the exact nature if Big Daddies wasn't made public when they went into service. Ryan didn't want the public panicking or for it to be too obvious what was happening to political dissenters in the supposedly free society of Rapture so he deliberately kept public knowledge vague. All people knew was not to get in the Big Daddies way or make a move on the little sister lest he snap your spine like a tooth pick which left the rest up to memory. In fact you can see in Burial at Sea there were pornographic stories being authored portraying them as strapping young men in diving suits. Second though is that Delta is not behaving like any ordinary Big Daddy and displaying a level of creativity that makes his independent intelligence apparent. No normal Big Daddy would bother trekking across all of Rapture to hunt down one specific little sister nor have the presence of mind to use the Atlantic Express to cut down on travel time rather then simply walking across the ocean floor.floor.
* So why, out of all big daddies in either game, does ''Delta Alone'' cause a telepathic mob of splicers to suddenly manifest when he takes a Little Sister Adam hunting?
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*** It was a random socialite throwing a Masquerade ball at the ''ass end'' of 1958. Simple.
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** His visor can be unfastened and swung open on a hinge. Simple.
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* Why, precisely, is everyone treating a Big Daddy as though it were a sentient, self-determinating person? Eleanor I could understand, given she was indoctrinated so severely as a Little Sister and would simply be seeing a father figure who wasn't really a father, but everyone else, from Tenenbaum to Sinclair to Sofia Lamb, Stanley Poole and Grace Holloway? What's all this "get revenge on those who wronged you" and "you and me, kid, we're gonna be rich on the surface" crap? I'm a Big Daddy. I don't give a shit. I want my Little Sister so things can go right back to the way they were.

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* Why, precisely, is everyone treating a Big Daddy as though it were a sentient, self-determinating person? Eleanor I could understand, given she was indoctrinated so severely as a Little Sister and would simply be seeing a father figure who wasn't really a father, but everyone else, from Tenenbaum to Sinclair to Sofia Lamb, Stanley Poole and Grace Holloway? What's all this "get revenge on those who wronged you" and "you and me, kid, we're gonna be rich on the surface" crap? I'm a Big Daddy. I don't give a shit. I want my Little Sister so things can go right back to the way they were.were.
** Two big reasons. First and foremost the exact nature if Big Daddies wasn't made public when they went into service. Ryan didn't want the public panicking or for it to be too obvious what was happening to political dissenters in the supposedly free society of Rapture so he deliberately kept public knowledge vague. All people knew was not to get in the Big Daddies way or make a move on the little sister lest he snap your spine like a tooth pick which left the rest up to memory. In fact you can see in Burial at Sea there were pornographic stories being authored portraying them as strapping young men in diving suits. Second though is that Delta is not behaving like any ordinary Big Daddy and displaying a level of creativity that makes his independent intelligence apparent. No normal Big Daddy would bother trekking across all of Rapture to hunt down one specific little sister nor have the presence of mind to use the Atlantic Express to cut down on travel time rather then simply walking across the ocean floor.
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** Well Grace and Stanley both probably ended up dead at the hands of Sofia Lamb after the first betrayed her and the second betrayed her a second time. She isn't the most forgiving sort to begin with so it wouldn't be a stretch for her to sic her splicer army on them. Either that or the went into hiding to wait for another opportunity to get out of dodge since Sofia was watching closely then. Alexander is either floating in his tank or floating around outside in the ocean as a giant slug/man monster thing.

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** Well Grace and Stanley both probably ended up dead at the hands of Sofia Lamb after the first betrayed her and the second betrayed her a second time. She isn't the most forgiving sort to begin with so it wouldn't be a stretch for her to sic her splicer army on them. Either that or the went into hiding to wait for another opportunity to get out of dodge since Sofia was watching closely then. Alexander is either floating in his tank or floating around outside in the ocean as a giant slug/man monster thing.thing.
*Why, precisely, is everyone treating a Big Daddy as though it were a sentient, self-determinating person? Eleanor I could understand, given she was indoctrinated so severely as a Little Sister and would simply be seeing a father figure who wasn't really a father, but everyone else, from Tenenbaum to Sinclair to Sofia Lamb, Stanley Poole and Grace Holloway? What's all this "get revenge on those who wronged you" and "you and me, kid, we're gonna be rich on the surface" crap? I'm a Big Daddy. I don't give a shit. I want my Little Sister so things can go right back to the way they were.
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** You misunderstood. Eleanor is panickedly telling Delta that Sofia is looking right at her, even if there should be no way for Sofia to know what Eleanor is doing. "Her face" refers to the presumed expression of seething disappointment Sofia is experiencing as she figures out that Eleanor has been consciously guiding Delta since day 1 and it dawns on her that no matter her efforts, Eleanor refuses to let go of Delta.
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** If Lamb gets the rescued girls, she'll have them turned right back into Little Sisters. With Sinclair and Subject Delta on the scene, Tenenbaum can leave the Lamb situation in their hands while she goes on to evacuate what girls she'd saved and move on to assist in a different situation explored in the Minerva's Den story. As for the canon ending to the first game and the fate of Jack, you can overhear Splicers at Atlantic Express maintenance arguing over where the guy went after he flatlined Ryan and Fontaine. They make references to BOTH of the main endings, but the conversation ends when one guy points out that it doesn't matter; he's gone now, and they gotta focus on the here and now instead of bickering over some guy.
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**** Unless of course he aimed for the inside of the cheek in an attempt to avoid death. He was trying to resist so simply having him "shoot himself in the mouth" could have easily ended with a big daddy, teeth shattered, a blown out cheek, and some blowback damage to the jaw but otherwise alive crushing Sophia Lambs skull. Shooting directly backwards into the spine is certainly a near certain kill but only if you aim for the spine/back of the throat.

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** Depends how you look at it really. But among other possible reasons is the argument that what you're doing is no longer honoring Gil Alexanders last wishes that someone mercy kill him since the person you'd be killing is not Gil Alexander. Sure its the same body but the personality has clearly been changed into something new and different which leads to the question of whether Alexander the Great has the right to live contained and otherwise harmless in Raptures basement. He can't hurt anyone would could be saved at the moment and can't escape to reach the mainland either along with clearly expressing the desire to live. So is Alexander the Great a distinct seperate person from Gil Alexander, whos life could be worth sparing in spire of his predecessors request? Up to you to decide.

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** Depends how you look at it really. But among other possible reasons is the argument that what you're doing is no longer honoring Gil Alexanders last wishes that someone mercy kill him since the person you'd be killing is not Gil Alexander. Sure its the same body but the personality has clearly been changed into something new and different which leads to the question of whether Alexander the Great has the right to live contained and otherwise harmless in Raptures basement. He can't hurt anyone would who could be have been saved at the moment since he's trapped in with the splicers, and can't escape to reach the mainland either due to his seriously messed up biology, along with that he is also clearly expressing the desire to live. So is Alexander the Great a distinct seperate separate person from Gil Alexander, whos whose life could be worth sparing in spire of his predecessors request? Up to you to decide.



** The plot had significant changes made to it fairly late in development. Originally it was going to be focused on the same Little Sister hounding you throughout the game, kidnapping little children to keep them 'safe', developing - thematically at least - alongside Tenebaum's own involvement in the creation process. We instead got the current plot arc, for good or for ill, with most of the original elements being exorcised.

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** The plot had significant changes made to it fairly late in development. Originally it was going to be focused on the same Little Big Sister hounding you throughout the game, kidnapping little children to keep them 'safe', developing - thematically at least - alongside Tenebaum's own involvement in the creation process. We instead got the current plot arc, for good or for ill, with most of the original elements being exorcised.



** At some point, it's explained that [[AWizardDidIt Eleanor Did It]]. Eleanor can see through the eyes of the Little Sisters and control them to some extent. When in the company of the normal Big Daddies, the Little Sisters' conditioning is too powerful to be overridden, but the moment you kill the Big Daddy, Eleanor's connection to Subject Delta transfers to the Little Sister, who then immediately trusts Delta. And he ''is'' still a Big Daddy.

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** At some point, it's explained that [[AWizardDidIt Eleanor Did It]]. Eleanor can see through the eyes of the Little Sisters and control them to some extent. extent because they are based off her own genetic code. Whatever Sophia did while copy and splicing bits to make a new generation gave Eleanor a connection to them presumably the same way she has one with you. When in the company of the normal Big Daddies, the Little Sisters' conditioning is too powerful to in effect and can't be overridden, overridden without getting Sophia's attention, but the moment you kill the Big Daddy, Daddy Eleanor's connection to Subject Delta transfers to the Little Sister, who then immediately trusts Delta. Sister pushes them to accept Delta and trust him. And he ''is'' still a Big Daddy.Daddy which means the difference is small enough for this mental manipulation to work.



** Ryan had Sofia unpersoned after she threatened his reign of power. Rather then kill her, over the course of years he slowly eliminated her from Raptures history and with that her influence. Think of how the Soviets covered up all the deaths involved in their space program by airbrushing the dead out of photos, to the point that you have a group sized photo with one dude in it. When she finally came back it was after a long stint in prison to find her cult of personality at best dormant and her existing obsession with the common good pushed to the level of a violent fanatic.



*** This is it here. Ryan wanted Lamb ERASED, GONE, to have never been known to exist.



*** I always assumed that he had some system specifically designed to transfer food to him. There's no indication that Big Daddies don't need to eat, and Delta is designed with delivery systems for EVE and medical supplies. Why not food too?

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*** I always assumed that he had some system specifically designed to transfer food to him. There's no indication that Big Daddies don't need to eat, and Delta is designed with delivery systems for EVE and medical supplies. supplies into the hole where his nose used to be. Why not food too?too after processing it into a paste?



*** Cannibalism for food along with the remaining vending machines, the upperclass of rapture were on track to get registered for the Vita-Chambers and we are not specifically told how far along that plan got so potentially resurrecting splicers, and an entire cities worth of people numbering at the very least in the thousands making our couple of hundred per run relatively minor.



** He said he's 'incognito' (travelling as an unknown) not missing for ten years. It's possible that he escaped Dionysus Park before it flooded completely and stayed with Sofia at Persephone during the past ten years. He only returned to Dionysus Park when he realised that Delta had drained the whole park out thus allowing the Little Sisters to gather ADAM. Something he didn't want happening since Sofia will find out about what he did there (never mind she already did and 'forgave' him for it).

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** He said he's 'incognito' (travelling as an unknown) not missing for ten years. It's possible that he escaped Dionysus Park before it flooded completely and stayed with Sofia at Persephone during the past ten years. All he had to do was claim somekind of accident or assassination attempt took out the park and with everyone else dead nobody could tell Sophia otherwise. He only returned to Dionysus Park when he realised that Delta had drained the whole park out thus allowing the Little Sisters to gather ADAM. Something he didn't want happening since Sofia will find out about what he did there (never mind she already did and 'forgave' him for it).
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** Maybe Tenenbaum had a finger in it. She seems to be the only person interested in even developing that plasmid, I suppose.

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** Maybe Tenenbaum probably did it. Elenor conspired with her to bring Delta back from the dead, since Bridget had a finger in it. She seems to be the only person interested in even developing genetics experience and Elenor knew who to revive and where their corpse was, so it wouldn't be out of the question that plasmid, I suppose.Tenenbaum asked her to include the non-lethal slug killing plasmid into his genetic code as a requirement for her cooperation.
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*** From the Bioshock Wiki, the Big Daddy you see killing Suchong is not Delta, it was a big daddy from Lot 255 that was created after the way of bonding the Alpha series (AKA Delta) was deemed inadequate. Here a quote "After the Pair Bonding method used for the Alpha Series was deemed inadequate, Suchong, under the order of Andrew Ryan, created Lot 255. Suchong attempted to create the formula using the DNA of Elizabeth as he believed her genes contained the secret to the bonding mechanism from her bonding to Songbird. The formula appeared to fail, as the Big Daddies continued to ignore the Little Sisters. The girls were terrified of the hulking semi-mechanical beasts. While recording a failure in his clinic, Suchong became annoyed and struck one of the Little Sisters he was working on. Unbeknownst to him the Big Daddy had in fact bonded with the girl using a different method and quickly dispatched him: empathy."
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** Tenenbaum supplied Eleanor with her antidote plasmid while they were conspiring to bring Delta back from the dead and they integrated it into his genetic makeup. It makes sense since Tenenbaum wanted to save them and Eleanor needed her genetic engineering experience to trick the Vita chambers. As for Sigma Tenenbaum convinced him to take it, or tricked him, before he headed into Manervurs Den again to serve her agenda.



** Only Persephone was sent into the abyss, not all of Rapture.

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** Only Persephone was sent into the abyss, not all of Rapture.Rapture.
** Well Grace and Stanley both probably ended up dead at the hands of Sofia Lamb after the first betrayed her and the second betrayed her a second time. She isn't the most forgiving sort to begin with so it wouldn't be a stretch for her to sic her splicer army on them. Either that or the went into hiding to wait for another opportunity to get out of dodge since Sofia was watching closely then. Alexander is either floating in his tank or floating around outside in the ocean as a giant slug/man monster thing.
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** Depends how you look at it really. But among other possible reasons is the argument that what you're doing is no longer honoring Gil Alexanders last wishes that someone mercy kill him since the person you'd be killing is not Gil Alexander. Sure its the same body but the personality has clearly been changed into something new and different which leads to the question of whether Alexander the Great has the right to live contained and otherwise harmless in Raptures basement. He can't hurt anyone would could be saved at the moment and can't escape to reach the mainland either along with clearly expressing the desire to live. So is Alexander the Great a distinct seperate person from Gil Alexander, whos life could be worth sparing in spire of his predecessors request? Up to you to decide.
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** The biggest reason it's a bad idea to kill Gil is that he's a great SequelHook. If he stays out there in the ocean someplace, he'd make a really interesting case for Tenenbaum & her pals to deal with as they try to handle the fallout from Rapture responsibly.

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** The biggest reason it's a bad idea to kill Gil is that he's a great SequelHook. If he stays out there in the ocean someplace, he'd make a really interesting case for Tenenbaum & her pals to deal with as they try to handle the fallout from Rapture responsibly.
responsibly. After all: If the story of Rapture simply ended here, then letting a murderous, psychopathic maniac like Gil go free would be a serious risk for the world... Not to mention, such a bizarre, genetically-warped creature would be a danger to the ecosystem as well. There's nothing except vague, idealistic hope that suggests things will turn out happily with Gil. Sparing him is only a good move if the story later continues and provides an actual positive outcome to this psychopath's arc. Of course, who knows if they ever will continue the Rapture saga, but this may have been the developers' rationale at the time.
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** The biggest reason it's a bad idea to kill Gil is that he's a great SequelHook. If he stays out there in the ocean someplace, he'd make a really interesting case for Tenenbaum & her pals to deal with as they try to handle the fallout from Rapture responsibly.
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** Well, he can make Big Daddies fight for him with the Hypnotize 3 plasmid.



* So whatever happened to Grace, Stanley and Alexander by the end of the game? Yes, sparing/killing them lets us act out on our moral compass while teaching Eleanor your values when it comes to forgiveness and justice, but did they manage to escape Rapture before it was plunged into the deep sea, or was rescuing them out of concern for their lives mostly pointless when they all drowned/were trapped in the abyss anyways?

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* So whatever happened to Grace, Stanley and Alexander by the end of the game? Yes, sparing/killing them lets us act out on our moral compass while teaching Eleanor your values when it comes to forgiveness and justice, but did they manage to escape Rapture before it was plunged into the deep sea, or was rescuing them out of concern for their lives mostly pointless when they all drowned/were trapped in the abyss anyways?anyways?
** Only Persephone was sent into the abyss, not all of Rapture.

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