History Headscratchers / Berserk

2nd Jan '17 2:16:27 AM SeptimusHeap
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** Most of the demons are male. AllMenArePerverts and FreudWasRight. SelfDemonstratingArticle.

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** Most of the demons are male. AllMenArePerverts and FreudWasRight.AllMenArePerverts. SelfDemonstratingArticle.
8th Nov '16 3:17:18 AM 9thOutworldsMan
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** Because for most people, learning how to do so just isn't worth it. It took Guts YEARS of training before he could swing something the size of the Dragon Slayer, and the only reason he actually needs a sword that big is to fight Apostles. A regular sword works just fine on regular people, which is what most warriors spend their time fighting. There no point in them spending so much time and effort learning how to use something they don't actually need to use.

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** Because for most people, learning how to do so just isn't worth it. It took Guts YEARS of training before he could swing something the size of the Dragon Slayer, Dragonslayer, and the only reason he actually needs a sword that big is to fight Apostles. A regular sword works just fine on regular people, which is what most warriors spend their time fighting. There no point in them spending so much time and effort learning how to use something they don't actually need to use.



** Guts may be an ordinary human, but he's an ordinary human who has been using oversized blades since very early childhood. It's unlikely that a regular person could just start training with a blade like that and have anywhere near the skill and strength with a blade that Guts has without spending decades catching up, which is time they could better spend mastering a more practical weapon. It's pretty much stated that the Dragon Slayer is a blade that has terrible disadvantages in many cases - the difference is that Guts is a master swordsman, and therefore able to overcome them.

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** Guts may be an ordinary human, but he's an ordinary human who has been using oversized blades since very early childhood. It's unlikely that a regular person could just start training with a blade like that and have anywhere near the skill and strength with a blade that Guts has without spending decades catching up, which is time they could better spend mastering a more practical weapon. It's pretty much stated that the Dragon Slayer Dragonslayer is a blade that has terrible disadvantages in many cases - the difference is that Guts is a master swordsman, and therefore able to overcome them.



* Sooo.... What about that dragon, huh? The one Godo talked about but didn't want to talk about? He said that he made that sword so that it could slay a dragon - and apparently it worked. But then he went onto saying that nobody had the strength to wield it... So what I want to ask is: CoolOldGuy, are you nuts?! I mean, he said that the Dragon Slayer succeeded in killing a dragon, but how could it if he said that no one had the strength to wield - hold on. Is he perhaps implicating that ''he'', Godo the Blacksmith, was once a dragon slaying, [[RetiredBadass crouching blacksmith, hidden badass]]??? Okay, farfetched idea. But still. Am I missing something here?

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* Sooo.... What about that dragon, huh? The one Godo talked about but didn't want to talk about? He said that he made that sword so that it could slay a dragon - and apparently it worked. But then he went onto saying that nobody had the strength to wield it... So what I want to ask is: CoolOldGuy, are you nuts?! I mean, he said that the Dragon Slayer Dragonslayer succeeded in killing a dragon, but how could it if he said that no one had the strength to wield - hold on. Is he perhaps implicating that ''he'', Godo the Blacksmith, was once a dragon slaying, [[RetiredBadass crouching blacksmith, hidden badass]]??? Okay, farfetched idea. But still. Am I missing something here?
6th Nov '16 10:45:33 PM trixus
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** They worship Ganishka.
27th Oct '16 11:07:00 AM TheBigBopper
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* I'm re-re-re watching the original anime (English dubbed), and I'm surprised at myself for never bringing attention to this before. In the first episode, after the opening, two dudes are in a tavern, talking about how shit-tastic Midland is. One of the guys says, "I can't take it. Ever since ''Griffith became king'', I've lost all hope." Whoa, ''what?'' How did this happen? This has to be a mistranslation for the English, but I'm wondering if the same was said in the Japanese dialogue. Were these some [[AbortedArc aborted plans]] for Griffith's reintroduction into the physical plane after the Eclipse?

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* I'm re-re-re watching the original anime ''Anime/Berserk1997'' (English dubbed), and I'm surprised at myself for never bringing attention to this before. In the first episode, after the opening, two dudes are in a tavern, talking about how shit-tastic Midland is. One of the guys says, "I can't take it. Ever since ''Griffith became king'', I've lost all hope." Whoa, ''what?'' How did this happen? This has to be a mistranslation for the English, but I'm wondering if the same was said in the Japanese dialogue. Were these some [[AbortedArc aborted plans]] for Griffith's reintroduction into the physical plane after the Eclipse?
30th Sep '16 7:35:08 PM trixus
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*** While it wasn't rape, Griffith did take Charlotte's virginity because he felt sad about Guts leaving and shrugged Charlotte's initial warning. If you add that with when he try raping Casca with his broken body and manipulative behavior, Griffith never really had problem with forcing himself on women. Guts late chapter comment about how Griffith hasn't changed kind of make me wonder how much sympathetic traits wasn't just Griffith faking decency the whole time because he needed friends to not die in battle and achieve his dream. Femto doesn't need friend to win war, he doesn't need to court princess slowly under fear of a king refusing a quicker approach and he doesn't need Guts to do the dirty work so why befriending him. While Griffith might actually felt something before he was always a dangerous man with the eyes of a monster.



** Well in a country filled with war, poverty and real monsters it's not like rape is that out there in what a flawed human being pushed too far will do. The reason why they are so many Apostles is that humans are being tested by thing that will make them go crazy and hostile so their saving grace is easy to take. Seeing your wife cuckolding you in a pagan ritual and her knowing you can't do nothing about it is already bad imagine when it's after coming back from a crusade where you had to fight for your life. Peasants who saw their house pillaged and burned by mercenaries aren't the best people to accept a lady warrior.



* Before Griffith became Femto the Godhead were limited in their ability to directly influence the physical world. Somehow, they are possess some control or at least ability to control causality, know the actions of others and see the future. For instance, they knew to send Zodd to stop Wyld from killing Griffith. But I recall in the English translation they commented that they are not all-knowing and cannot 100% predict the actions some individuals who somehow defy fate. That is why Skull Knight was able to intervene and same Guts. Since Guts was expected to die during the Griffith's tranformation does this mean they cannot predict his actions with the same accuracy as they do others?

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* Before Griffith became Femto the Godhead were limited in their ability to directly influence the physical world. Somehow, they are possess some control or at least ability to control causality, know the actions of others and see the future. For instance, they knew to send Zodd to stop Wyld Wyald from killing Griffith. But I recall in the English translation they commented that they are not all-knowing and cannot 100% predict the actions some individuals who somehow defy fate. That is why Skull Knight was able to intervene and same Guts. Since Guts was expected to die during the Griffith's tranformation does this mean they cannot predict his actions with the same accuracy as they do others?



*** That's just to twist the knife even further, her body is being aroused right in front of her lover while being raped by the Devil, that makes the don't watch more poignant than if it was pure violence because shame is being combined with powerlessness.

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*** That's just to twist the knife even further, her body is being aroused right in front of her lover while being raped by the Devil, that makes the don't watch more poignant than if it was pure violence because shame is being combined with powerlessness. Griffith post godhand could perform miracles so making an unwilling girl climax isn't that far fetched.
30th Sep '16 2:21:00 PM syrusdark
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** I don't see it that way. Griffith is someone who sees other humans as mere tools to further his goals. When he's "dressed" as Femto, he has no use to manipulating humans, so he shows his true colours. When he's "dressed" as his human self, he wants people to think he's the saviour they've all been waiting for. That's the only reason his overall demeanour changes. The only remaining speck of humanity in his body seems to come, ironically, from Guts's and Casca's demon child, whose body was used to bring Griffith back into the physical world.

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** I don't see it that way. Griffith is someone who sees other humans as mere tools to further his goals. When he's "dressed" as Femto, he has no use to manipulating humans, so he shows his true colours. When he's "dressed" as his human self, he wants people to think he's the saviour they've all been waiting for. That's the only reason his overall demeanour changes. The only remaining speck of humanity in his body seems to come, ironically, from Guts's and Casca's demon child, whose body was used to bring Griffith back into the physical world. So, if anything, he has the '''opposite''' of a Berserker Armour thing going on, a second personality (which happens to be a different person altogether, differently from Guts's issue) that tries to humanise him somehow.
30th Sep '16 2:19:17 PM syrusdark
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* Does Femto have a berserker armor power going on? I don't know if it was just early installment but when Griffith is in Femto form he is almost disgusted by human life and as detached from the world as the other Godhand while in his Griffith form he seeks adulation from humans and apostle alike, engineering his kingdom as the only safe place. It just seems weird since it doesn't feel like a disguise and more Griffith having a second super mode that make him even more inhuman.

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* Does Femto have a berserker armor power going on? I don't know if it was just early installment but when Griffith is in Femto form he is almost disgusted by human life and as detached from the world as the other Godhand while in his Griffith form he seeks adulation from humans and apostle alike, engineering his kingdom as the only safe place. It just seems weird since it doesn't feel like a disguise and more Griffith having a second super mode that make him even more inhuman.inhuman.
** I don't see it that way. Griffith is someone who sees other humans as mere tools to further his goals. When he's "dressed" as Femto, he has no use to manipulating humans, so he shows his true colours. When he's "dressed" as his human self, he wants people to think he's the saviour they've all been waiting for. That's the only reason his overall demeanour changes. The only remaining speck of humanity in his body seems to come, ironically, from Guts's and Casca's demon child, whose body was used to bring Griffith back into the physical world.
29th Sep '16 6:04:03 PM SeanRenaud
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*** Granted the problem here is mostly that Griffith was broken and gross at the time. He had no reason at any point in the story to think that Casca wouldn't gladly crawl into bed with him.
29th Sep '16 1:54:28 PM syrusdark
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*** It's worth pointing out that Griffith apparently tries to rape Casca '''before''' the Eclipse too, when she's caring for him. His body is just too broken for him to be able to overpower her, and Casca herself brushes the incident asside as Griffith simply falling on top of her. There was no Guts nearby, no supposed demonic influence, just Griffith and his sick desires.
19th Sep '16 3:13:14 PM trixus
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* Does Femto has a berserker armor relation going on? I don't know if it was just early installment but when Griffith is in Femto form he is almost disgusted by human life and as detached from the world as the other Godhand while in his Griffith form he seeks adulation from humans and apostle alike, engineering his kingdom as the only safe place. It just seems weird since it doesn't feel like a disguise and more Griffith having a second super mode that make him even colder.

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* Does Femto has have a berserker armor relation power going on? I don't know if it was just early installment but when Griffith is in Femto form he is almost disgusted by human life and as detached from the world as the other Godhand while in his Griffith form he seeks adulation from humans and apostle alike, engineering his kingdom as the only safe place. It just seems weird since it doesn't feel like a disguise and more Griffith having a second super mode that make him even colder.more inhuman.
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