History Headscratchers / Berserk

5th Oct '17 6:27:21 PM Metalshina
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**He was named after the scientific concept of Femto(symbol f) which is a unit prefix in the metric system denoting a factor of 10^-15.
26th Sep '17 9:56:00 AM Corto
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** Just because they're close to Kushan doesn't mean they need to be trampled to invade Midland. Think of it in real world terms: Transylvania was a small country, filled with skilled soldiers that held the Ottoman Empire back time and time again, right on the border between Europe and the Ottomans. Yet, had the Ottoman Empire decided to invade, for example, Italy and The Vatican, they could easily have bypassed Transylvania either by land or by sea.
17th Sep '17 5:22:41 PM Farnham
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** Griffith's big "true friend" speech to Charlotte was pretty much him deceiving himself. By that point in time he was emotionally dependent on Guts, arguably more so than on his dream, yet he was unwilling/unable to admit it to himself. Unfortunately, Guts overheard him and took his words to heart. When Griffith learned that Guts was leaving the Band of the Hawk - and more importantly, ''him'' - rather than humble himself and say to Guts "Please stay... I need you," he decided to treat Guts as his property and force him to stay through his sword.
12th Sep '17 10:58:40 PM TheBigBopper
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* Why exactly do the Godhand do the things they do? ItJustBugsMe that they don't seem to have any real reason for offering demonhood to suckers and making life more miserable. Are they servants/slaves to [[spoiler: the Idea of Evil]]? Do they have some grand scheme in the making of becoming omnipotent? Or are they just spreading misery for shits and giggles?

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* Why exactly do the Godhand do the things they do? ItJustBugsMe that they don't seem to have any real reason for offering demonhood to suckers and making life more miserable. Are they servants/slaves to [[spoiler: the Idea of Evil]]? Evil? Do they have some grand scheme in the making of becoming omnipotent? Or are they just spreading misery for shits and giggles?



*** Actually I would. At this point it's pretty much the only plausible one. It's actually pretty scary that beings as powerful and influential as the Godhand would spread such misery ForTheEvulz. At least [[spoiler: The Idea of Evil]] has the excuse of being [[spoiler: TheHeartless and possibly dependent on suffering]].

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*** Actually I would. At this point it's pretty much the only plausible one. It's actually pretty scary that beings as powerful and influential as the Godhand would spread such misery ForTheEvulz. At least [[spoiler: The Idea of Evil]] Evil has the excuse of being [[spoiler: TheHeartless and possibly dependent on suffering]].suffering.



*** The Berserk universe has no shortage of mistreated or sociopathic people. We don't know the backstory of the rest of the Godhand yet, but if they're anything like Griffith, they're probably crazy as hell. The fun thing about [[spoiler:The Idea of Evil]] is that it ''isn't'' TheHeartless. ''It cares''. Just not in the normal way.

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*** The Berserk universe has no shortage of mistreated or sociopathic people. We don't know the backstory of the rest of the Godhand yet, but if they're anything like Griffith, they're probably crazy as hell. The fun thing about [[spoiler:The The Idea of Evil]] Evil is that it ''isn't'' TheHeartless. ''It cares''. Just not in the normal way.



*** But it's not at all clear that Griffith knew that would happen at the time. The whole idea of the Godhand and causality is that all these people doing whatever they want always leads to what [[spoiler: the Idea of Evil]] wants to happen. Griffith didn't actually need to know he'd get a new body for raping Casca. It might've just worked out that way because, even as Femto (probably ''especially'' as Femto), his motives are still part of the cosmic plan.

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*** But it's not at all clear that Griffith knew that would happen at the time. The whole idea of the Godhand and causality is that all these people doing whatever they want always leads to what [[spoiler: the Idea of Evil]] Evil wants to happen. Griffith didn't actually need to know he'd get a new body for raping Casca. It might've just worked out that way because, even as Femto (probably ''especially'' as Femto), his motives are still part of the cosmic plan.



*** Indeed, this troper thinks that if [[spoiler: The Skull Knight]] hadn't saved the day, Femto would probably have tossed Casca to the rest of his horde and done the same thing to Guts ... assuming Femto survived the latter experience.

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*** Indeed, this troper thinks that if [[spoiler: The Skull Knight]] Knight hadn't saved the day, Femto would probably have tossed Casca to the rest of his horde and done the same thing to Guts ... assuming Femto survived the latter experience.



** Going back to the original subject, if we look at the one member of the God Hand we know well, Femto, we can see why they do what they do. It has everything to do with their own personal agendas in life, with an extra level of evil added by the transformation. Griffith wanted to "reach the castle", and as Femto he realises he needs to figuratively pave a street with bodies to do so, so he sacrifices the Band of the Hawk, and then joins the God Hand as leader of the Apostles to increase this body count even more. And it pays off, seeing how he got reincarnated as Griffith and '''did''' get his castle in Falconia. It's not a stretch to assume the other four God Hand members are in a similar situation, working for the sake of their own dreams, and it "just so happens" that their desires match up very well and built into each other, [[spoiler:and into the Idea of Evil's plans. In fact, during the lost chapter, the [=IoE=] says flat out states Femto should do whatever he wants, and the implication is that "whatever he wants" happens to be exactly what the [=IoE=] needs to further his plans, as it has some control over fate]].
** To begin, we don't know much about what the God Hand actually DO. Our only perspective is essentially them acting as opposition to Guts. They haven't directly killed many people - barring the whole eclipse. Speaking of the Eclipse, it wasn't a malicious event. At least not on the part of the God Hand. The Apostles were essentially on monster holiday and were more than happy to massacre the Hawks. The BlueAndOrangeMorality of the God Hand made them unable or simply not wanting to intervene. They are all about Causality and feeding the natural spirit of the world back into itself. In an age where fear and war and death are prevalent, they too will be evil and rejoice in blood. Griffith is chosen because he embodies Mankind's need for a savior, he hopes to fulfill that dream in life, but his ambition is dashed to the ground in the [[spoiler:torture chamber where he is mutilated.]] Once he [[spoiler: becomes Femto and proceeds to rape Casca, I think that the decision was out of his hands. Again it could have been just like the Apostles, his first instinct as a member of God Hand was to cause pain in the most 'Human' way he could think of]]. At any rate the God hand are so far removed from the needs of the individual because they deal in global concepts and any action they take can be expected to have symbolic meaning.

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** Going back to the original subject, if we look at the one member of the God Hand we know well, Femto, we can see why they do what they do. It has everything to do with their own personal agendas in life, with an extra level of evil added by the transformation. Griffith wanted to "reach the castle", and as Femto he realises he needs to figuratively pave a street with bodies to do so, so he sacrifices the Band of the Hawk, and then joins the God Hand as leader of the Apostles to increase this body count even more. And it pays off, seeing how he got reincarnated as Griffith and '''did''' get his castle in Falconia. It's not a stretch to assume the other four God Hand members are in a similar situation, working for the sake of their own dreams, and it "just so happens" that their desires match up very well and built into each other, [[spoiler:and and into the Idea of Evil's plans. In fact, during the lost chapter, the [=IoE=] says flat out states Femto should do whatever he wants, and the implication is that "whatever he wants" happens to be exactly what the [=IoE=] needs to further his plans, as it has some control over fate]].
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** To begin, we don't know much about what the God Hand actually DO. Our only perspective is essentially them acting as opposition to Guts. They haven't directly killed many people - barring the whole eclipse. Speaking of the Eclipse, it wasn't a malicious event. At least not on the part of the God Hand. The Apostles were essentially on monster holiday and were more than happy to massacre the Hawks. The BlueAndOrangeMorality of the God Hand made them unable or simply not wanting to intervene. They are all about Causality and feeding the natural spirit of the world back into itself. In an age where fear and war and death are prevalent, they too will be evil and rejoice in blood. Griffith is chosen because he embodies Mankind's need for a savior, he hopes to fulfill that dream in life, but his ambition is dashed to the ground in the [[spoiler:torture torture chamber where he is mutilated.]] mutilated. Once he [[spoiler: becomes Femto and proceeds to rape Casca, I think that the decision was out of his hands. Again it could have been just like the Apostles, his first instinct as a member of God Hand was to cause pain in the most 'Human' way he could think of]].of. At any rate the God hand are so far removed from the needs of the individual because they deal in global concepts and any action they take can be expected to have symbolic meaning.



*** True, Guts being pinned down and forced to watch [[spoiler: With only one eye]] qualifies as a MindRape in itself.

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*** True, Guts being pinned down and forced to watch [[spoiler: With only one eye]] eye qualifies as a MindRape in itself.



* I think it is stated in the lost chapter that a person becoming a demon assumes a form he/she wishes [[spoiler: Griffith, for example, having desired "wings", and becoming the hawk like Femto]]. So, why do most people opt for disgusting phallic creatures that make anglerfishes look cute?

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* I think it is stated in the lost chapter that a person becoming a demon assumes a form he/she wishes [[spoiler: Griffith, for example, having desired "wings", and becoming the hawk like Femto]].Femto. So, why do most people opt for disgusting phallic creatures that make anglerfishes look cute?



** True, but I was referring more to how they're being drawn as of lately. Earlier, they were really obvious, but in this latest chapter, not so much. They're kind of decreasing in visibility. Knowing Berserk, they're probably never going to go away, but I have noticed another shift in Miura's art style in the latest chapters. [[spoiler: I know how creepy-like this sounds.]]
* I noticed something in chapter 71 of the manga. Casca had just come from taking care of Griffith in the wagon, and Casca is clearly upset and crying outside. But I noticed that she was clutching her stomach in one panel. Was it possible that Casca was showing signs of morning sickness? [[spoiler: I know that morning sickness occurs at six weeks after conception, and only about two weeks had elapsed from the point that Guts and Casca had sex and the point that she miscarried, but I overlapped that with FridgeLogic...]] Just speaking in general.
** It's possible, but then again it looked like Griffith was [[spoiler:[[{{Foreshadowing}} trying to rape her then]]]] but failed due to his body being messed up.

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** True, but I was referring more to how they're being drawn as of lately. Earlier, they were really obvious, but in this latest chapter, not so much. They're kind of decreasing in visibility. Knowing Berserk, they're probably never going to go away, but I have noticed another shift in Miura's art style in the latest chapters. [[spoiler: I know how creepy-like this sounds.]]
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* I noticed something in chapter 71 of the manga. Casca had just come from taking care of Griffith in the wagon, and Casca is clearly upset and crying outside. But I noticed that she was clutching her stomach in one panel. Was it possible that Casca was showing signs of morning sickness? [[spoiler: I know that morning sickness occurs at six weeks after conception, and only about two weeks had elapsed from the point that Guts and Casca had sex and the point that she miscarried, but I overlapped that with FridgeLogic...]] FridgeLogic... Just speaking in general.
** It's possible, but then again it looked like Griffith was [[spoiler:[[{{Foreshadowing}} [[{{Foreshadowing}} trying to rape her then]]]] then]] but failed due to his body being messed up.



* I don't understand: how the hell does Femto's costume - er, ''body'', work? His head area looks like a helmet because we can see his pale skin underneath, but then some say that he's technically naked, and the very clear depiction of him [[spoiler: raping Casca]] seems to suggest this... Unless it was all just a case of RightThroughHisPants after all or he can just - I'm not even going to finish that (it sounds as disgusting in my head as it does if I typed it).

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* I don't understand: how the hell does Femto's costume - er, ''body'', work? His head area looks like a helmet because we can see his pale skin underneath, but then some say that he's technically naked, and the very clear depiction of him [[spoiler: raping Casca]] Casca seems to suggest this... Unless it was all just a case of RightThroughHisPants after all or he can just - I'm not even going to finish that (it sounds as disgusting in my head as it does if I typed it).



* The whole premise behind the origin of [[spoiler: The Idea of Evil]] seems to operate on FridgeLogic. Common sense seems like what humans would desire is to NOT experience their suffering, not for there to be a direct cause of it, no matter how hopeless their lives seemed, that should just make them want the pain to end more.

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* The whole premise behind the origin of [[spoiler: The Idea of Evil]] Evil seems to operate on FridgeLogic. Common sense seems like what humans would desire is to NOT experience their suffering, not for there to be a direct cause of it, no matter how hopeless their lives seemed, that should just make them want the pain to end more.



** GoneHorriblyRight. People wanted an explanation for why there is suffering. [[spoiler:The Idea of Evil]] took it too far by creating an elaborate CosmicHorrorStory for it, instead of stopping at being a scapegoat/discovering what causes suffering.

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** GoneHorriblyRight. People wanted an explanation for why there is suffering. [[spoiler:The The Idea of Evil]] Evil took it too far by creating an elaborate CosmicHorrorStory for it, instead of stopping at being a scapegoat/discovering what causes suffering.



** That's the real question, isn't it? Was Guts "supposed" to die during the Eclipse or not? Consider this: Femto needed Guts and Casca's child to exist in the physical plane in order to be reborn there. So that much, at least, was part of his plan. Now, maybe if Skully hadn't rescued them, he'd have arranged for it to happen some other way... but maybe not. Maybe Skully's rescue was a BatmanGambit in order to get the Child back to the physical plane, which would make Guts' survival part of the plan as well. Now, Slan does treat Guts' survival as unexpected and says straight out that the God Hand are not omniscient... but just because ''they'' aren't doesn't mean [[spoiler: the Idea of Evil]] isn't. (Spoilers refer to the Lost Chapter.) It could have been part of [[spoiler: its]] plan, or it could have been a plot by Void or Femto that she wasn't aware of. Skully, for his part, seems to believe that he and Guts have the ability to act outside of the God Hand's designs, but that doesn't mean he's right. No way to know except to keep reading... assuming that Miura gets off his ass and keeps writing. (-:

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** That's the real question, isn't it? Was Guts "supposed" to die during the Eclipse or not? Consider this: Femto needed Guts and Casca's child to exist in the physical plane in order to be reborn there. So that much, at least, was part of his plan. Now, maybe if Skully hadn't rescued them, he'd have arranged for it to happen some other way... but maybe not. Maybe Skully's rescue was a BatmanGambit in order to get the Child back to the physical plane, which would make Guts' survival part of the plan as well. Now, Slan does treat Guts' survival as unexpected and says straight out that the God Hand are not omniscient... but just because ''they'' aren't doesn't mean [[spoiler: the Idea of Evil]] Evil isn't. (Spoilers refer to the Lost Chapter.) It could have been part of [[spoiler: its]] its plan, or it could have been a plot by Void or Femto that she wasn't aware of. Skully, for his part, seems to believe that he and Guts have the ability to act outside of the God Hand's designs, but that doesn't mean he's right. No way to know except to keep reading... assuming that Miura gets off his ass and keeps writing. (-:



** My theory is that approximatly 1000 to 864 years ago the man who would become Void and the Skull Knight, created the crimson behelit or the [[spoiler: Idea of Evil]] had finally gained enough power throw one through, I think that upon that moment Void sacrficed the Skull Knight, but like Gutts, he escaped (obviously through different means [[spoiler: maybe he used the crimson behelit and thats how he found out how to use their power]] ), then with Void as a Godhand the [[spoiler: Idea of Evil]] had an avatar to spread the normal behelits' and used the threads of causality to make the [[spoiler: gathering of the five godhands and the fusing of realities]] happen.

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** My theory is that approximatly 1000 to 864 years ago the man who would become Void and the Skull Knight, created the crimson behelit or the [[spoiler: Idea of Evil]] Evil had finally gained enough power throw one through, I think that upon that moment Void sacrficed the Skull Knight, but like Gutts, he escaped (obviously through different means [[spoiler: maybe he used the crimson behelit and thats how he found out how to use their power]] ), power), then with Void as a Godhand the [[spoiler: Idea of Evil]] Evil had an avatar to spread the normal behelits' and used the threads of causality to make the [[spoiler: gathering of the five godhands and the fusing of realities]] realities happen.



** I don't see it that way. Griffith is someone who sees other humans as mere tools to further his goals. When he's "dressed" as Femto, he has no use to manipulating humans, so he shows his true colours. When he's "dressed" as his human self, he wants people to think he's the saviour they've all been waiting for. That's the only reason his overall demeanour changes. The only remaining speck of humanity in his body seems to come, ironically, from Guts's and Casca's demon child, whose body was used to bring Griffith back into the physical world. So, if anything, he has the '''opposite''' of a Berserker Armour thing going on, a second personality (which happens to be a different person altogether, differently from Guts's issue) that tries to humanise him somehow.

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** I don't see it that way. Griffith is someone who sees other humans as mere tools to further his goals. When he's "dressed" as Femto, he has no use to manipulating humans, so he shows his true colours. When he's "dressed" as his human self, he wants people to think he's the saviour they've all been waiting for. That's the only reason his overall demeanour changes. The only remaining speck of humanity in his body seems to come, ironically, from Guts's and Casca's demon child, whose body was used to bring Griffith back into the physical world. So, if anything, he has the '''opposite''' of a Berserker Armour thing going on, a second personality (which happens to be a different person altogether, differently from Guts's issue) that tries to humanise him somehow.somehow.
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30th Jan '17 8:42:21 AM TheBigBopper
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* If he's so strong, how did Wyald get imprisoned in the first place?
** He probably let himself get captured just to screw around. Once he got bored he could easily break out.
* Related to that, why didn't the King of Midland send Wyald and the Black Dog Knights to defeat the Purple Rhino Knights recapture Doldrey?
** Firstly, it would be bad for their image and an insult to the midland regular army who would get shown up by heinous criminals.
** Secondly, the King of Midland didn't necessarily know that Wyald was an Apostle who could turn into a giant Gorilla.
** Thirdly, a castle like Doldrey couldn't be taken by brute force, especially not with the Purple Rhino Knights there as well. Wyald has no sense of tactics and probably would have been blown up by all those cannon on the ramparts when he mounted a frontal attack.
2nd Jan '17 2:16:27 AM SeptimusHeap
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** Most of the demons are male. AllMenArePerverts and FreudWasRight. SelfDemonstratingArticle.

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** Most of the demons are male. AllMenArePerverts and FreudWasRight.AllMenArePerverts. SelfDemonstratingArticle.
8th Nov '16 3:17:18 AM 9thOutworldsMan
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** Because for most people, learning how to do so just isn't worth it. It took Guts YEARS of training before he could swing something the size of the Dragon Slayer, and the only reason he actually needs a sword that big is to fight Apostles. A regular sword works just fine on regular people, which is what most warriors spend their time fighting. There no point in them spending so much time and effort learning how to use something they don't actually need to use.

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** Because for most people, learning how to do so just isn't worth it. It took Guts YEARS of training before he could swing something the size of the Dragon Slayer, Dragonslayer, and the only reason he actually needs a sword that big is to fight Apostles. A regular sword works just fine on regular people, which is what most warriors spend their time fighting. There no point in them spending so much time and effort learning how to use something they don't actually need to use.



** Guts may be an ordinary human, but he's an ordinary human who has been using oversized blades since very early childhood. It's unlikely that a regular person could just start training with a blade like that and have anywhere near the skill and strength with a blade that Guts has without spending decades catching up, which is time they could better spend mastering a more practical weapon. It's pretty much stated that the Dragon Slayer is a blade that has terrible disadvantages in many cases - the difference is that Guts is a master swordsman, and therefore able to overcome them.

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** Guts may be an ordinary human, but he's an ordinary human who has been using oversized blades since very early childhood. It's unlikely that a regular person could just start training with a blade like that and have anywhere near the skill and strength with a blade that Guts has without spending decades catching up, which is time they could better spend mastering a more practical weapon. It's pretty much stated that the Dragon Slayer Dragonslayer is a blade that has terrible disadvantages in many cases - the difference is that Guts is a master swordsman, and therefore able to overcome them.



* Sooo.... What about that dragon, huh? The one Godo talked about but didn't want to talk about? He said that he made that sword so that it could slay a dragon - and apparently it worked. But then he went onto saying that nobody had the strength to wield it... So what I want to ask is: CoolOldGuy, are you nuts?! I mean, he said that the Dragon Slayer succeeded in killing a dragon, but how could it if he said that no one had the strength to wield - hold on. Is he perhaps implicating that ''he'', Godo the Blacksmith, was once a dragon slaying, [[RetiredBadass crouching blacksmith, hidden badass]]??? Okay, farfetched idea. But still. Am I missing something here?

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* Sooo.... What about that dragon, huh? The one Godo talked about but didn't want to talk about? He said that he made that sword so that it could slay a dragon - and apparently it worked. But then he went onto saying that nobody had the strength to wield it... So what I want to ask is: CoolOldGuy, are you nuts?! I mean, he said that the Dragon Slayer Dragonslayer succeeded in killing a dragon, but how could it if he said that no one had the strength to wield - hold on. Is he perhaps implicating that ''he'', Godo the Blacksmith, was once a dragon slaying, [[RetiredBadass crouching blacksmith, hidden badass]]??? Okay, farfetched idea. But still. Am I missing something here?
6th Nov '16 10:45:33 PM trixus
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** They worship Ganishka.
27th Oct '16 11:07:00 AM TheBigBopper
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* I'm re-re-re watching the original anime (English dubbed), and I'm surprised at myself for never bringing attention to this before. In the first episode, after the opening, two dudes are in a tavern, talking about how shit-tastic Midland is. One of the guys says, "I can't take it. Ever since ''Griffith became king'', I've lost all hope." Whoa, ''what?'' How did this happen? This has to be a mistranslation for the English, but I'm wondering if the same was said in the Japanese dialogue. Were these some [[AbortedArc aborted plans]] for Griffith's reintroduction into the physical plane after the Eclipse?

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* I'm re-re-re watching the original anime ''Anime/Berserk1997'' (English dubbed), and I'm surprised at myself for never bringing attention to this before. In the first episode, after the opening, two dudes are in a tavern, talking about how shit-tastic Midland is. One of the guys says, "I can't take it. Ever since ''Griffith became king'', I've lost all hope." Whoa, ''what?'' How did this happen? This has to be a mistranslation for the English, but I'm wondering if the same was said in the Japanese dialogue. Were these some [[AbortedArc aborted plans]] for Griffith's reintroduction into the physical plane after the Eclipse?
30th Sep '16 7:35:08 PM trixus
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*** While it wasn't rape, Griffith did take Charlotte's virginity because he felt sad about Guts leaving and shrugged Charlotte's initial warning. If you add that with when he try raping Casca with his broken body and manipulative behavior, Griffith never really had problem with forcing himself on women. Guts late chapter comment about how Griffith hasn't changed kind of make me wonder how much sympathetic traits wasn't just Griffith faking decency the whole time because he needed friends to not die in battle and achieve his dream. Femto doesn't need friend to win war, he doesn't need to court princess slowly under fear of a king refusing a quicker approach and he doesn't need Guts to do the dirty work so why befriending him. While Griffith might actually felt something before he was always a dangerous man with the eyes of a monster.



** Well in a country filled with war, poverty and real monsters it's not like rape is that out there in what a flawed human being pushed too far will do. The reason why they are so many Apostles is that humans are being tested by thing that will make them go crazy and hostile so their saving grace is easy to take. Seeing your wife cuckolding you in a pagan ritual and her knowing you can't do nothing about it is already bad imagine when it's after coming back from a crusade where you had to fight for your life. Peasants who saw their house pillaged and burned by mercenaries aren't the best people to accept a lady warrior.



* Before Griffith became Femto the Godhead were limited in their ability to directly influence the physical world. Somehow, they are possess some control or at least ability to control causality, know the actions of others and see the future. For instance, they knew to send Zodd to stop Wyld from killing Griffith. But I recall in the English translation they commented that they are not all-knowing and cannot 100% predict the actions some individuals who somehow defy fate. That is why Skull Knight was able to intervene and same Guts. Since Guts was expected to die during the Griffith's tranformation does this mean they cannot predict his actions with the same accuracy as they do others?

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* Before Griffith became Femto the Godhead were limited in their ability to directly influence the physical world. Somehow, they are possess some control or at least ability to control causality, know the actions of others and see the future. For instance, they knew to send Zodd to stop Wyld Wyald from killing Griffith. But I recall in the English translation they commented that they are not all-knowing and cannot 100% predict the actions some individuals who somehow defy fate. That is why Skull Knight was able to intervene and same Guts. Since Guts was expected to die during the Griffith's tranformation does this mean they cannot predict his actions with the same accuracy as they do others?



*** That's just to twist the knife even further, her body is being aroused right in front of her lover while being raped by the Devil, that makes the don't watch more poignant than if it was pure violence because shame is being combined with powerlessness.

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*** That's just to twist the knife even further, her body is being aroused right in front of her lover while being raped by the Devil, that makes the don't watch more poignant than if it was pure violence because shame is being combined with powerlessness. Griffith post godhand could perform miracles so making an unwilling girl climax isn't that far fetched.
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