History Headscratchers / Berserk

20th Apr '16 7:08:26 AM syrusdark
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** The suffering can't be fixed, having demons raping left and right however might not be InherentInTheSystem since the Idea didn't start doing his behelits right away. It's not making the world an utopia but it would stop it from being Hell.

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** The suffering can't be fixed, having demons raping left and right however might not be InherentInTheSystem since the Idea didn't start doing his behelits right away. It's not making the world an utopia but it would stop it from being Hell.Hell.
** Maybe the Godhand are a cyclical thing. They get chosen over a millennium, do their thing, end up causing a huge civilization collapse, and then disappear (get absorbed into the Idea of Evil, maybe?) while humanity gets thrown back into the start of a brand new dark age, where new Godhand get chosen, rinse, repeat. Alternatively, the Idea of Evil wasn't born with as much power as it has now, it was through generations upon generations of humans desiring for a reason for their suffering that empowered it to the point it could actually do something.
28th Mar '16 5:41:37 PM trixus
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** The suffering can't be fixed, having demons raping left and right however might not be InherentInTheSystem since the Idea didn't start doing his behelits once humanity appeared.

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** The suffering can't be fixed, having demons raping left and right however might not be InherentInTheSystem since the Idea didn't start doing his behelits once humanity appeared.right away. It's not making the world an utopia but it would stop it from being Hell.
28th Mar '16 2:15:54 PM trixus
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** Presumably humanity existed in suffering for most of its history before the [=IoE=] came into being relatively recently. It seems more likely than the idea that it existed for a long time without doing anything.

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** Well where are their demonic cabal? It's not as much as law of causality than some supervillain plan that he set up a millenia's ago. The Idea of Evil might just be a more powerful Ganishka who plays omniscient.
** Presumably humanity existed in suffering for most of its history before the [=IoE=] came into being relatively recently. It seems more likely than the idea that it existed for a long time without doing anything.anything.
** The suffering can't be fixed, having demons raping left and right however might not be InherentInTheSystem since the Idea didn't start doing his behelits once humanity appeared.
27th Mar '16 10:35:27 AM TheBigBopper
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** Going back to the original subject, if we look at the one member of the God Hand we know well, Femto, we can see why they do what they do. It has everything to do with their own personal agendas in life, with an extra level of evil added by the transformation. Griffith wanted to "reach the castle", and as Femto he realises he needs to figuratively pave a street with bodies to do so, so he sacrifices the Band of the Hawk, and then joins the God Hand as leader of the Apostles to increase this body count even more. And it pays off, seeing how he got reincarnated as Griffith and '''did''' get his castle in Falconia. It's not a stretch to assume the other four God Hand members are in a similar situation, working for the sake of their own dreams, and it "just so happens" that their desires match up very well and built into each other, [[spoiler:and into the Idea of Evil's plans. In fact, during the lost chapter, the IoE says flat out states Femto should do whatever he wants, and the implication is that "whatever he wants" happens to be exactly what the IoE needs to further his plans, as it has some control over fate]].

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** Going back to the original subject, if we look at the one member of the God Hand we know well, Femto, we can see why they do what they do. It has everything to do with their own personal agendas in life, with an extra level of evil added by the transformation. Griffith wanted to "reach the castle", and as Femto he realises he needs to figuratively pave a street with bodies to do so, so he sacrifices the Band of the Hawk, and then joins the God Hand as leader of the Apostles to increase this body count even more. And it pays off, seeing how he got reincarnated as Griffith and '''did''' get his castle in Falconia. It's not a stretch to assume the other four God Hand members are in a similar situation, working for the sake of their own dreams, and it "just so happens" that their desires match up very well and built into each other, [[spoiler:and into the Idea of Evil's plans. In fact, during the lost chapter, the IoE [=IoE=] says flat out states Femto should do whatever he wants, and the implication is that "whatever he wants" happens to be exactly what the IoE [=IoE=] needs to further his plans, as it has some control over fate]].



** The suffering on human life is real and undeniable, but a person's instincts lead them to trying to rationalise that, find a reason for the suffering, and failing that, ask the heavens "why?". That need to rationalise, and the lack of a proper answer for all the cruelty of the world, is what gave birth to the IoE. Supposedly, they wouldn't be able to just change reality with their desire not to suffer anymore (at least before the line between fantasy and reality got very shaky), but they can add to reality on a meta-level by imagining a reason.

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** The suffering on human life is real and undeniable, but a person's instincts lead them to trying to rationalise that, find a reason for the suffering, and failing that, ask the heavens "why?". That need to rationalise, and the lack of a proper answer for all the cruelty of the world, is what gave birth to the IoE.[=IoE=]. Supposedly, they wouldn't be able to just change reality with their desire not to suffer anymore (at least before the line between fantasy and reality got very shaky), but they can add to reality on a meta-level by imagining a reason.



** Presumably humanity existed in suffering for most of its history before the IoE came into being relatively recently. It seems more likely than the idea that it existed for a long time without doing anything.

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** Presumably humanity existed in suffering for most of its history before the IoE [=IoE=] came into being relatively recently. It seems more likely than the idea that it existed for a long time without doing anything.
27th Mar '16 10:34:13 AM TheBigBopper
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** However, dear troper, keep in mind that there'd be many other civilizations, the fact that Berserk's world was a magical world could mean that there were many eras before. Imagine like the LizardFolk and the humans from VideoGame/ChronoTrigger

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** However, dear troper, keep in mind that there'd be many other civilizations, the fact that Berserk's world was a magical world could mean that there were many eras before. Imagine like the LizardFolk and the humans from VideoGame/ChronoTriggerVideoGame/ChronoTrigger
** Presumably humanity existed in suffering for most of its history before the IoE came into being relatively recently. It seems more likely than the idea that it existed for a long time without doing anything.
27th Mar '16 9:02:26 AM RebelionRoja
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* So if a Godhand get chosen every 216 years, is humanity like 1100 years old? Like how long did it took the Idea of Evil to say hey let's make behelit and name that guy Vortex. In a way it gives some hope because hey the Devil wasn't always there and the world might outlive him.

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* So if a Godhand get chosen every 216 years, is humanity like 1100 years old? Like how long did it took the Idea of Evil to say hey let's make behelit and name that guy Vortex. In a way it gives some hope because hey the Devil wasn't always there and the world might outlive him.him.
** However, dear troper, keep in mind that there'd be many other civilizations, the fact that Berserk's world was a magical world could mean that there were many eras before. Imagine like the LizardFolk and the humans from VideoGame/ChronoTrigger
7th Mar '16 10:23:37 PM trixus
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**** Well Griffith did try to rape Casca before the Eclipse. Sure it's when he was weakened and had his dream smashed but yes, if the chips are down Griffith will do everything Femto had done. The Behelit just removed all guilt he has because with his power now everyone are just PunyHumans compared to him so add that to his manipulative nature and being able to see causality he pretty much have no way of coming back to his more redeeming traits.
3rd Mar '16 9:38:02 PM trixus
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*** If this [[https://mangabrog.wordpress.com/2015/12/14/berserk-artist-kentaro-miura-interview-i-actually-dont-think-i-could-let-such-a-long-grim-story-end-with-a-grim-ending/ recently translated article]] (originally from 2000) is of any indication, in the Black Swordsman Arc, Casca [[WritingByTheSeatOfYourPants ''didn't even exist in Miura's mind'']] at that point.

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*** If this [[https://mangabrog.wordpress.com/2015/12/14/berserk-artist-kentaro-miura-interview-i-actually-dont-think-i-could-let-such-a-long-grim-story-end-with-a-grim-ending/ recently translated article]] (originally from 2000) is of any indication, in the Black Swordsman Arc, Casca [[WritingByTheSeatOfYourPants ''didn't even exist in Miura's mind'']] at that point.point.
* So if a Godhand get chosen every 216 years, is humanity like 1100 years old? Like how long did it took the Idea of Evil to say hey let's make behelit and name that guy Vortex. In a way it gives some hope because hey the Devil wasn't always there and the world might outlive him.
28th Jan '16 3:59:45 AM Miumia
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** I'm pretty sure we don't know, actually. The first time I read Skull's words I assumed he was talking about what Casca's instance on the Griffith situation would be (go after him to kill him or forget about him, depending on what Gut wants). I was quite surprised that most people's interpretation of that warning was "she might not want to regain sanity", which doesn't fit Casca at all in my opinion.
13th Jan '16 7:35:35 PM DivineDeath
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*** Pay attention to Guts and Casca's sex scene. Casca is only crying and in clear pain at the beginning, and the reason why is because 1). It's her first time and 2). Guts is being overly rough and forceful. And the reason for that is partially because of his own inexperience with sex, but mostly because his mind is going back to his traumatic past. The scene is ''not'' being played for romance just yet; there's a very clear undercurrent of trouble that makes itself known once Guts puts his hands around her neck. Once they start going at it again after Guts' recovers from his freakout, things are shown to much more tender between them, with Casca displaying no signs of distress, pain, or discomfort. Casca's crying in both scenes is very consistent in showing when and how she is suffering.

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*** Pay attention to Guts and Casca's sex scene. Casca is only crying and in clear pain at the beginning, and the reason why is because 1). It's her first time and 2). Guts is being overly rough and forceful. And the reason for that is partially because of his own inexperience with sex, but mostly because his mind is going back to his traumatic past. The scene is ''not'' being played for romance just yet; there's a very clear undercurrent of trouble that makes itself known once Guts puts his hands around her neck. Once they start going at it again after Guts' recovers from his freakout, things are shown to much more tender between them, with Casca displaying no signs of distress, pain, or discomfort. Casca's crying in both scenes when she is having sex with Guts and being raped by Femto is very consistent in showing when and how she is suffering.
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