History Headscratchers / Ben10UltimateAlien

15th Nov '17 2:56:15 AM RedScharlach
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*** Have you seen how much O'Reily makes? Pundits like that can bring in some big change.

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*** Have you seen how much O'Reily O'Reilly makes? Pundits like that can bring in some big change.



*** And considering he upped the amount he said he spent by ridiculous amounts more than once in the epsiode, that really should have been obvious.

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*** And considering he upped the amount he said he spent by ridiculous amounts more than once in the epsiode, episode, that really should have been obvious.



*** Harangue makes me wonder why he's so extreme, as for all his faults Jamerson just tries to get Spider-man '''arrested'''. This guy was ''actually'' trying to flat out '''kill''' Ben. A plot reason is needed that's better the '''ratings'''.

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*** Harangue makes me wonder why he's so extreme, as for all his faults Jamerson Jameson just tries to get Spider-man '''arrested'''. This guy was ''actually'' trying to flat out '''kill''' Ben. A plot reason is needed that's better the '''ratings'''.



*** Also, Azmuth outright said the evolution feature was "just asking for trouble". If the creator of the Omnitrix tells you something like that, odds are you'll be at least somewhat hestitant not to use it.

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*** Also, Azmuth outright said the evolution feature was "just asking for trouble". If the creator of the Omnitrix tells you something like that, odds are you'll be at least somewhat hestitant hesitant not to use it.



*** Goop could stay relatively solid while bending and contorting. The only problem would be tricker moves like melting, which the computer likely didn't have on file.

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*** Goop could stay relatively solid while bending and contorting. The only problem would be tricker trickier moves like melting, which the computer likely didn't have on file.



*** Let's put it this way, Ultimate Big Chill doesn't just coat things in ice, it sucks the energy out of them. This means not only can it freeze things colder than normal, it'd be more effective for things that constantly radiate heat. It'd also, theoratically, give Big Chill a greater resistence to them, since he hasn't used it all that often, we can't be sure. Still, it's more effective at freezing by far.

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*** Let's put it this way, Ultimate Big Chill doesn't just coat things in ice, it sucks the energy out of them. This means not only can it freeze things colder than normal, it'd be more effective for things that constantly radiate heat. It'd also, theoratically, theoretically, give Big Chill a greater resistence resistance to them, since he hasn't used it all that often, we can't be sure. Still, it's more effective at freezing by far.



*** ultimate forms don't necessarily have unique powers, all that the ultimatrix does is simulate them for 1000 generations under the harshest conditions, its unlikely that ultimate big chill would need to evolve that much under harsh conditions because it can already turn intangible and freeze things the only thing that would really be advantageous at that point is reducing the time that it takes to freeze things all the way.

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*** ultimate Ultimate forms don't necessarily have unique powers, all that the ultimatrix Ultimatrix does is simulate them for 1000 generations under the harshest conditions, its unlikely that ultimate big chill would need to evolve that much under harsh conditions because it can already turn intangible and freeze things the only thing that would really be advantageous at that point is reducing the time that it takes to freeze things all the way.



* On the subject of P'andor. Is Gwen really that stupid? How does Pandor not being happy in his suit outweigh the fact that he is a living dirty bomb on the scale of importance? It's like allowing somone to detonate a dirty bomb because he would be sad otherwise.

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* On the subject of P'andor. Is Gwen really that stupid? How does Pandor not being happy in his suit outweigh the fact that he is a living dirty bomb on the scale of importance? It's like allowing somone someone to detonate a dirty bomb because he would be sad otherwise.



*** Which [[FridgeBrilliance keys into]] how the original Omnitrix wasn't designed as a weapon in the first place. The Ultimatrix is just taking a peaceful technology and converting it into a weapon, a practice that unfortunatly is [[RealLife all to real.]]

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*** Which [[FridgeBrilliance keys into]] how the original Omnitrix wasn't designed as a weapon in the first place. The Ultimatrix is just taking a peaceful technology and converting it into a weapon, a practice that unfortunatly unfortunately is [[RealLife all to too real.]]



* What bugs me is that every alien [[PunyHumans except humans]] has superpowers, but moreso that these aliens refer to their abilities as "superpowers." It's not a ''super'' power if it's the natural ability of your species! Since when did humans become the standard? And then there's the whole ComboPlatterPowers thing. Take Big Chill, for example. {{Flight}}? [[AnIcePerson Ice powers]]? [[IntangibleMan Intangibility]]? How do those things go togeth...[[WesternAnimation/DannyPhantom oh wait]].
** In my experience, a lot of this seems to be not just a problem with the Franchise/Ben10 franchise, but whenever you get aliens in a superhero-verse- they'll almost always have superhuman abilities in some form, and these will almost always be treated interchangably with human superpowers. See exhibit a: Franchise/{{Superman}} and related characters.

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* What bugs me is that every alien [[PunyHumans except humans]] has superpowers, but moreso more so that these aliens refer to their abilities as "superpowers." It's not a ''super'' power if it's the natural ability of your species! Since when did humans become the standard? And then there's the whole ComboPlatterPowers thing. Take Big Chill, for example. {{Flight}}? [[AnIcePerson Ice powers]]? [[IntangibleMan Intangibility]]? How do those things go togeth...[[WesternAnimation/DannyPhantom oh wait]].
** In my experience, a lot of this seems to be not just a problem with the Franchise/Ben10 franchise, but whenever you get aliens in a superhero-verse- they'll almost always have superhuman abilities in some form, and these will almost always be treated interchangably interchangeably with human superpowers. See exhibit a: Franchise/{{Superman}} and related characters.



** Apparently, sometime in the future after millenia of civil war, human beings will have the power to copy any alien's special power and use it for themselves (if "Ben 10'000 Returns" is anything to go by).

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** Apparently, sometime in the future after millenia millennia of civil war, human beings will have the power to copy any alien's special power and use it for themselves (if "Ben 10'000 Returns" is anything to go by).



*** It may be more if Ben survived a millenia of using the Ultimatrix, it would allow him to use any alien's ability he has a scan of.
*** I always assumed that given the Plumbers have members from nearly every sentient species in the galaxy that there is probally some kind of inter-species govermeant similar to the fedaration from ''Franchise/StarTrek'' and since aliens would be interacting with other species who had differant power's to them they would consider there natural ability's "Super Powers" based on the fact that not all species can do that.

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*** It may be more if Ben survived a millenia millennium of using the Ultimatrix, it would allow him to use any alien's ability he has a scan of.
*** I always assumed that given the Plumbers have members from nearly every sentient species in the galaxy that there is probally probably some kind of inter-species govermeant government similar to the fedaration Federation from ''Franchise/StarTrek'' and since aliens would be interacting with other species who had differant power's different powers to them they would consider there their natural ability's "Super Powers" abilities to be "superpowers" based on the fact that not all species can do that.



* In the new episode "Hero Time", Ben meets his childhood idol. Captain Nemesis. It's made clear early on to the audience that this guys isn't a 'good guy', but no one in the show itself seems to notice that his name is Captain ''Nemesis''. Then he later cooments that he's thinking of dropping the 'Captain' part.

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* In the new episode "Hero Time", Ben meets his childhood idol. Captain Nemesis. It's made clear early on to the audience that this guys isn't a 'good guy', but no one in the show itself seems to notice that his name is Captain ''Nemesis''. Then he later cooments comments that he's thinking of dropping the 'Captain' part.



** I know what you mean. And Ben "realizing" how much of an ass he's been doesn't help much either. He either doesn't seem too bothered by his foul-ups or passes some things with a bit too much concern. Gwen... yea, she's pretty much nothing like the snarky, spunky gal she used to be. Now's she just a broken compass to occasionally slap Ben over the head when his head has gone over the speed limit in his ass. And Kevin, where do I start? It seemed rather dumb to throw another TransformationTrauma at him barely 20 after spending the entire last season of the previous series as a mismash of elements. I mean, it was neat to see what his new amalgamations would look like, but it didn't really carry any of that threat like the original Kevin 11 did. For one, when he was that abomination before, he was locked in that form and only had maybe half or less of the full alien's power. Yet here, he was able to pull off all the powers with no problem (absorbing from new victims, notwithstanding). And then there's his whole moral dilemma. I wasn't feeling it, he was just being a power crazy ass, not the devious little monster he was 6 years ago.

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** I know what you mean. And Ben "realizing" how much of an ass he's been doesn't help much either. He either doesn't seem too bothered by his foul-ups or passes some things with a bit too much concern. Gwen... yea, she's pretty much nothing like the snarky, spunky gal she used to be. Now's she just a broken compass to occasionally slap Ben over the head when his head has gone over the speed limit in his ass. And Kevin, where do I start? It seemed rather dumb to throw another TransformationTrauma at him barely 20 after spending the entire last season of the previous series as a mismash mishmash of elements. I mean, it was neat to see what his new amalgamations would look like, but it didn't really carry any of that threat like the original Kevin 11 did. For one, when he was that abomination before, he was locked in that form and only had maybe half or less of the full alien's power. Yet here, he was able to pull off all the powers with no problem (absorbing from new victims, notwithstanding). And then there's his whole moral dilemma. I wasn't feeling it, he was just being a power crazy ass, not the devious little monster he was 6 years ago.



*** I don't know. I think the whole WithGreatPowerComesGreatInsanity thing was just slapped on to make us feel even more bad for the younger Kevin. I liked how originally 11 year old Kevin was just a deliquent like Ben but with no one to help guide him. And while the idea of the mentor in prison was neat, it just didn't feel as well executed as it should have.

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*** I don't know. I think the whole WithGreatPowerComesGreatInsanity thing was just slapped on to make us feel even more bad for the younger Kevin. I liked how originally 11 year old Kevin was just a deliquent delinquent like Ben but with no one to help guide him. And while the idea of the mentor in prison was neat, it just didn't feel as well executed as it should have.



* I don't get that whole Osmosian power to absorb other powers: 1)If Aggregor absorbs Ripjaws's powers, would Ripjaws lose his ability to breath underwater? 2) What would happen if human get his power absorbed? Would it just left him dried and weakened like with Alan? 3) How [[spoiler:geting insane alowed Kevin]] to learn that power?
** Its not that insanity causes you to be able to do it, its that usage of it causes insanity.

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* I don't get that whole Osmosian power to absorb other powers: 1)If Aggregor absorbs Ripjaws's powers, would Ripjaws lose his ability to breath underwater? 2) What would happen if a human get got his power absorbed? Would it just left him dried and weakened like with Alan? 3) How [[spoiler:geting did [[spoiler:going insane alowed allow Kevin]] to learn that power?
** Its not that insanity causes you to be able to do it, its it's that usage of using it causes insanity.



*** For the power absorbsion I think Osmosians don't steal powers just copy them and the reason the Plumbers Kid's turned back to there human form's is because of there hybrid status.
* So, why Ghostfreak wanted to bond with Ben anyway? In original series it was implied, that he wanted sun-shielding skin, but not only he didnt get it, but also WordOfGod also said that its part of his body, created at will(Wich, by the way, begs for a question, why he doesnt use it).
** In the original series, Ghostfreak (the one escaped from the watch anyway) explained that because he survived through the strand of DNA that went into the Omnitrix, he was essentially imcomplete, and thus couldn't go out into the sun. But if he were to combine with Ben, then he'd not only be able to walk in the daylight, but also have great power to weild. As for the skin shield, it can be assumed it's like Freeza's many forms in DBZ, it suppressors the full extent of his true power even if he's still capable of doing other things.

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*** For the power absorbsion absorption I think Osmosians don't steal powers just copy them and the reason the Plumbers Kid's turned back to there human form's is because of there hybrid status.
* So, why Ghostfreak wanted to bond with Ben anyway? In original series it was implied, that he wanted sun-shielding skin, but not only he didnt didn't get it, but also WordOfGod also said that its part of his body, created at will(Wich, will (which, by the way, begs for a question, why he doesnt doesn't use it).
** In the original series, Ghostfreak (the one escaped from the watch anyway) explained that because he survived through the strand of DNA that went into the Omnitrix, he was essentially imcomplete, and thus couldn't go out into the sun. But if he were to combine with Ben, then he'd not only be able to walk in the daylight, but also have great power to weild.wield. As for the skin shield, it can be assumed it's like Freeza's many forms in DBZ, it suppressors the full extent of his true power even if he's still capable of doing other things.



* [[WhereDoesHeGetAllThoseWonderfulToys Where does Aggregor gets those wonderfull toys?]]. Plumpers didnt know him so he isnt a wanted criminal, so who is he? Is he rich? I'm just annoyed that we dont know anything about his past.

* Charmcaster's summons. First, how sentient they are? One of them disobeyed her in "In Charm Way" and another in alternative future (Ben 10,000) behaves like a dog. On the other hand they're seems to be OK with serving her for all their lifes. But it's not the most troubling: In "Where magic happens" it reveled that, they're send from another dimensions. Hoverew that doesnt fit to original series summons. Are we suppose to assume that first they're were summoned and then turned into little egg-like rocks?

* Does anybody else thinks that Ben's aliens are overpowered? Yes, I know what you thinking. Administrivia/ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontLike. But no. Its FridgeLogic. Think, you've got a whole species of creatures that can fly, survive in space, pass through matter, freeze you with breath or touch and [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking reproduce asexualy]]. They could conquer thousand of planets. Another sytuation: you want to kill somebody. All you need to do is find a assasin that can duplicate itself and yell sonics. Said assasin makes like 50 or 200 of copies. If they fail he makes a new ones. If some aliens that Ben now posses didn't come from some peacufull planets, then that kind of power would make space one dangerous and unstable place.

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* [[WhereDoesHeGetAllThoseWonderfulToys Where does Aggregor gets those wonderfull wonderful toys?]]. Plumpers didnt didn't know him so he isnt isn't a wanted criminal, so who is he? Is he rich? I'm just annoyed that we dont don't know anything about his past.

* Charmcaster's summons. First, how sentient they are? are they? One of them disobeyed her in "In Charm Way" and another in an alternative future (Ben 10,000) behaves like a dog. On the other hand they're seems they seem to be OK with serving her for all their lifes. lives. But it's not the most troubling: In "Where magic happens" it reveled it's revealed that, they're send sent from another dimensions. Hoverew dimension. However, that doesnt doesn't fit to with the original series summons. Are we suppose supposed to assume that first they're they were summoned and then turned into little egg-like rocks?

* Does anybody else thinks that Ben's aliens are overpowered? Yes, I know what you thinking. Administrivia/ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontLike. But no. Its FridgeLogic. Think, you've got a whole species of creatures that can fly, survive in space, pass through matter, freeze you with breath or touch and [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking reproduce asexualy]].asexually]]. They could conquer thousand of planets. Another sytuation: situation: you want to kill somebody. All you need to do is find a assasin assassin that can duplicate itself and yell sonics. Said assasin assassin makes like 50 or 200 of copies. If they fail he makes a new ones. If some aliens that Ben now posses didn't come from some peacufull peaceful planets, then that kind of power would make space one dangerous and unstable place.



*** Well when every other species in the galaxy (Save humans) also have super powers no species would really seem overpowered since really 50 copies of a 8inch being would not be very useful against a Dinosaur with SizeChanging abilites.

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*** Well when every other species in the galaxy (Save humans) also have super powers no species would really seem overpowered since really 50 copies of a 8inch being would not be very useful against a Dinosaur with SizeChanging abilites.
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** The kind with too much experience with battle, action, and heroism to relate to others his own age and social niche. He might have had some acquaintances in the timeskip between the original show and Alien Force, but when the omnitrix went active again, he'd have had no time for them and would have drifted very distant instantly. He does have other sorta-friends though- the other Plumber kids, who are basically the only people onworld his own age he has any chance of finding common ground with.

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** The kind with too much experience with battle, action, and heroism to relate to others his own age and social niche. He might have had some acquaintances in the timeskip between the original show and Alien Force, but when the omnitrix went active again, he'd have had no time for them and would have drifted very distant instantly. He does have other sorta-friends though- the other Plumber kids, who are basically the only people onworld on-world his own age he has any chance of finding common ground with.



** Gwen dosen't have a brain anymore
** She could have meant last calender year, which either makes perfect sense or no sense depending on what time of the year it is during those episodes, which we have [[ItsAlwaysSpring no way of knowing]].

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** Gwen dosen't doesn't have a brain anymore
** She could have meant last calender calendar year, which either makes perfect sense or no sense depending on what time of the year it is during those episodes, which we have [[ItsAlwaysSpring no way of knowing]].



*** Yes it happened off screen but they didn't leave it at an offhand comment. They discussed it in the following episode when the gang goes to help BazL. Believe it or not, but just because something isn't explained right away doesn't mean it'll never be explained.
** Also Azmuth says [[spoiler: she reveived her human DNA from Gwen. Not only does this mean she's somewhat related to Gwen (and therefore Ben) but also a StrongFamilyResemblance with Gwen]]

* Ever since the first season of [[WesternAnimation/Ben10AlienForce Alien Force]], Ben has been able to switch aliens just by tapping the Omnitrix symbol. So, when he gets the wrong alien ("Ampfibian? I was going for Brainstorm!"), why doesn't he just slap his chest and switch to the one he wanted?

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*** Yes it happened off screen but they didn't leave it at as an offhand comment. They discussed it in the following episode when the gang goes to help BazL. Believe it or not, but just because something isn't explained right away doesn't mean it'll never be explained.
** Also Azmuth says [[spoiler: she reveived received her human DNA from Gwen. Not only does this mean she's somewhat related to Gwen (and therefore Ben) but also a StrongFamilyResemblance with Gwen]]

* Ever since the first season of [[WesternAnimation/Ben10AlienForce Alien Force]], Ben has been able to switch aliens just by tapping the Omnitrix symbol. So, when he gets the wrong alien ("Ampfibian? ("Amphibian? I was going for Brainstorm!"), why doesn't he just slap his chest and switch to the one he wanted?



* In "Forge of Creation" look closely at fight Aggregor with Stinkfly. VERY CLOSELY. Since when Lepidopterrans can shoot lasers?

* I can understand, that sometimes Brainstorm or Spidermonkey are just enough to handle current threat. I can understand that Ben dont want to waste energy with more transformations and risk turning into wrong alien. I also understand, that some building are too small to use Way Big. What I dont understant, why in Absolute Power, Part 2, while fighting with one of his most powerfull enemies, Ben fighting choises were Big Chill and Spidermonkey. Not even Ultimate forms, just regular ones. Against the guy who defeated Ultimate Humongosaur. In place where he could easily use Way Big. And he chooses fourarmed monkey that can shoot web. Why? Just why?

* Same Goes for Aggregor. Lets see out of all the times Ben could've used Way Big or Ultimate Echo Echo (over 5 times). He just uses his more weaker forms like Brainstorm and Swampfire. When Kevin Attacked Aggregor, he used Jetray's lasers. Did Ben ever think of that? Nope.
** He underestimated him at first. For his second fight he used Humongosaur. Not only he's a strong alien, but also Ben was already changed. Then again blind rage invoked some IdiotBall, so Ben attacked again rather then go ultimate. But later Ben was always using ultimate forms. He didnt know that Ultimate Echo Echo would work better, heck he propably didnt even thought of "Sonic Doom". And he coudn't use Way Big neither in Forge of Creation nor Perplexahedron because he didnt have enough space. And in the end some FridgeLogic: Ben didnt use Jetray, because he didnt think it would work. Why would it? Both Ra'ad and Pandor could easily absorb his blasts. And again Ben DID use Jetray later on Kevin.

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* In "Forge of Creation" look closely at Aggregor's fight Aggregor with Stinkfly. VERY CLOSELY. Since when can Lepidopterrans can shoot lasers?

* I can understand, that sometimes Brainstorm or Spidermonkey are just enough to handle current threat. I can understand that Ben dont doesn't want to waste energy with more transformations and risk turning into wrong alien. I also understand, that some building are too small to use Way Big. What I dont understant, don't understand, why in Absolute Power, Part 2, while fighting with one of his most powerfull powerful enemies, Ben fighting choises choices were Big Chill and Spidermonkey. Not even Ultimate forms, just regular ones. Against the guy who defeated Ultimate Humongosaur. In place where he could easily use Way Big. And he chooses fourarmed monkey that can shoot web. Why? Just why?

* Same Goes goes for Aggregor. Lets see out of all the times Ben could've used Way Big or Ultimate Echo Echo (over 5 times). He just uses his more weaker forms like Brainstorm and Swampfire. When Kevin Attacked Aggregor, he used Jetray's lasers. Did Ben ever think of that? Nope.
** He underestimated him at first. For his second fight he used Humongosaur. Not only he's a strong alien, but also Ben was already changed. Then again blind rage invoked some IdiotBall, so Ben attacked again rather then go ultimate. But later Ben was always using ultimate forms. He didnt didn't know that Ultimate Echo Echo would work better, heck he propably didnt probably didn't even thought of "Sonic Doom". And he coudn't couldn't use Way Big neither in Forge of Creation nor Perplexahedron because he didnt didn't have enough space. And in the end some FridgeLogic: Ben didnt use Jetray, because he didnt didn't think it would work. Why would it? Both Ra'ad and Pandor could easily absorb his blasts. And again Ben DID use Jetray later on Kevin.
25th Jun '17 10:59:49 AM nombretomado
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* Pretty minor compared to some of the rantings above, but there's one thing that keeps bugging me about "Ultimate Sacrifice": where is Ultimate Wildmutt? TheOtherWiki shows that the production codes are all in order, so...???

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* Pretty minor compared to some of the rantings above, but there's one thing that keeps bugging me about "Ultimate Sacrifice": where is Ultimate Wildmutt? TheOtherWiki Wiki/TheOtherWiki shows that the production codes are all in order, so...???
14th Dec '16 12:11:56 PM HodgeReturns
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** It's possibly a reference to the console versions of Protector of Earth and Alien Force: The Game, which included two-player co-op with two identical Bens as the characters.
11th Dec '16 8:18:54 AM Doug86
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** In my experience, a lot of this seems to be not just a problem with the Franchise/Ben10 franchise, but whenever you get aliens in a superhero-verse- they'll almost always have superhuman abilities in some form, and these will almost always be treated interchangably with human superpowers. See exhibit a: {{Superman}} and related characters.

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** In my experience, a lot of this seems to be not just a problem with the Franchise/Ben10 franchise, but whenever you get aliens in a superhero-verse- they'll almost always have superhuman abilities in some form, and these will almost always be treated interchangably with human superpowers. See exhibit a: {{Superman}} Franchise/{{Superman}} and related characters.
25th Nov '16 3:12:03 PM nombretomado
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** In my experience, a lot of this seems to be not just a problem with the Ben10 franchise, but whenever you get aliens in a superhero-verse- they'll almost always have superhuman abilities in some form, and these will almost always be treated interchangably with human superpowers. See exhibit a: {{Superman}} and related characters.

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** In my experience, a lot of this seems to be not just a problem with the Ben10 Franchise/Ben10 franchise, but whenever you get aliens in a superhero-verse- they'll almost always have superhuman abilities in some form, and these will almost always be treated interchangably with human superpowers. See exhibit a: {{Superman}} and related characters.



** It probably has to do with the fact that Kevin and Gwen are never seen as anything other than Ben's [[{{Sidekick}} sidekicks]] or [[TagalongKid tagalongs]] by the general public in the WesternAnimation/{{Ben10}} universe. At most they might be viewed by some people as Ben's entourage, but that's probably the best they can hope for.

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** It probably has to do with the fact that Kevin and Gwen are never seen as anything other than Ben's [[{{Sidekick}} sidekicks]] or [[TagalongKid tagalongs]] by the general public in the WesternAnimation/{{Ben10}} Franchise/Ben10 universe. At most they might be viewed by some people as Ben's entourage, but that's probably the best they can hope for.
22nd Oct '16 12:47:42 PM BreadBull
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** ShipOfTheseus. Sure, it looks, acts and talks like him, but is it him?
20th Oct '16 12:48:39 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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** TheyJustDidntCare
*** BatmanCanBreatheInSpace

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** TheyJustDidntCare
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BatmanCanBreatheInSpace
6th May '16 9:10:55 PM nombretomado
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** For the record, writers are bugged more to make merchandise then work at the convenience of animators. GeneratorRex works fine with well past 100 completely unorthodox creatures in it,there is usually a couple of new, non humanoid's each episode.

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** For the record, writers are bugged more to make merchandise then work at the convenience of animators. GeneratorRex ''WesternAnimation/GeneratorRex'' works fine with well past 100 completely unorthodox creatures in it,there is usually a couple of new, non humanoid's each episode.
14th Jul '15 10:28:36 AM nombretomado
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** Superman isn't the best example, considering that his abilities aren't exactly natural, considering that naturally he wouldn't have yellow sunlight. ''MartianManhunter'', on the other hand...

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** Superman isn't the best example, considering that his abilities aren't exactly natural, considering that naturally he wouldn't have yellow sunlight. ''MartianManhunter'', ''ComicBook/MartianManhunter'', on the other hand...
6th Mar '15 3:12:11 PM KamenRiderOokalf
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** That's hardly FridgeLogic, considering multiple video games let two characters use the same character. Hell, in SuperSmashBros, Mario and Dr. Mario were two completely separate characters.

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** That's hardly FridgeLogic, considering multiple video games let two characters use the same character. Hell, in SuperSmashBros, ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBros'', Mario and Dr. Mario were two completely separate characters.
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