History Headscratchers / Ben10UltimateAlien

6th May '16 9:10:55 PM nombretomado
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** For the record, writers are bugged more to make merchandise then work at the convenience of animators. GeneratorRex works fine with well past 100 completely unorthodox creatures in it,there is usually a couple of new, non humanoid's each episode.

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** For the record, writers are bugged more to make merchandise then work at the convenience of animators. GeneratorRex ''WesternAnimation/GeneratorRex'' works fine with well past 100 completely unorthodox creatures in it,there is usually a couple of new, non humanoid's each episode.
14th Jul '15 10:28:36 AM nombretomado
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** Superman isn't the best example, considering that his abilities aren't exactly natural, considering that naturally he wouldn't have yellow sunlight. ''MartianManhunter'', on the other hand...

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** Superman isn't the best example, considering that his abilities aren't exactly natural, considering that naturally he wouldn't have yellow sunlight. ''MartianManhunter'', ''ComicBook/MartianManhunter'', on the other hand...
6th Mar '15 3:12:11 PM KamenRiderOokalf
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** That's hardly FridgeLogic, considering multiple video games let two characters use the same character. Hell, in SuperSmashBros, Mario and Dr. Mario were two completely separate characters.

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** That's hardly FridgeLogic, considering multiple video games let two characters use the same character. Hell, in SuperSmashBros, ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBros'', Mario and Dr. Mario were two completely separate characters.
21st Feb '15 9:28:54 AM TVRulezAgain
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* In "Video Games", Harangue states that his fight against Ben is broadcast live. Shouldn't the audience have ''seen'' that it was him breaking stuff with his [[TheIncredibles Omnidroid knockoff]] and ''not'' Ben? That trick of reversing the footage to make it look like Humongousaur was pulling the monument down shouldn't have worked. Though, we don't know the audience's reaction, so it's likely that it ''didn't''.

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* In "Video Games", Harangue states that his fight against Ben is broadcast live. Shouldn't the audience have ''seen'' that it was him breaking stuff with his [[TheIncredibles [[WesternAnimation/TheIncredibles Omnidroid knockoff]] and ''not'' Ben? That trick of reversing the footage to make it look like Humongousaur was pulling the monument down shouldn't have worked. Though, we don't know the audience's reaction, so it's likely that it ''didn't''.



*** Look at Big Chill/Ultimate Big Chill ([[PreAsskickingOneLiner "Flames so cold they burn!"]]), or Spidermonkey/Ultimate Spidermonkey (SuperStrength and stronger webbing). The formula for Ultimate forms seems to be "the same as the base form, but UpToEleven". So he doesn't have any real guarantee that going ultimate will change his moveset enough to confuse [[TheIncredibles the Omnidroid]]. Sure, Humongousaur/Ultimate Humongousaur has [[MacrossMissileMassacre missiles]], but the last time he saw that one, [[EvilTwin Albedo]] was using it to [[CurbStompBattle curb stomp him]]. I'd be scared of that form, too.

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*** Look at Big Chill/Ultimate Big Chill ([[PreAsskickingOneLiner "Flames so cold they burn!"]]), or Spidermonkey/Ultimate Spidermonkey (SuperStrength and stronger webbing). The formula for Ultimate forms seems to be "the same as the base form, but UpToEleven". So he doesn't have any real guarantee that going ultimate will change his moveset enough to confuse [[TheIncredibles [[WesternAnimation/TheIncredibles the Omnidroid]]. Sure, Humongousaur/Ultimate Humongousaur has [[MacrossMissileMassacre missiles]], but the last time he saw that one, [[EvilTwin Albedo]] was using it to [[CurbStompBattle curb stomp him]]. I'd be scared of that form, too.
13th Oct '14 8:27:28 PM DashBeatum
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********* As many other have said Ultimate Big Chill's unique powers is that it's fire ice as opposed to regular ice.
6th Jul '14 10:25:38 AM Sunchet
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* What happened to the utility of the master control? In the original series, we saw Ben 10,000 use it for combos like jumping into the air with Fourarms and slamming down with Cannonbolt or laying down a layer of water with Spitter and electrifying it with Buzzshock. When present Ben unlocked it, he was able to fight his two greatest enemies simultaneously by rapidly switching between small, fast, and evasive forms and strong, hard-hitting ones. When Azmuth unlocked it in Alien Force, Ben didn't pull off creative tricks like this, but he at least changed forms a bunch to use different attacks. Yet in Ultimate Alien after Inspector 13 unlocks the Ultimatrix's master control, absolutely nothing changes about Ben's use of aliens. Did the writers forget about it?

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* What happened to the utility of the master control? In the original series, we saw Ben 10,000 use it for combos like jumping into the air with Fourarms and slamming down with Cannonbolt or laying down a layer of water with Spitter and electrifying it with Buzzshock. When present Ben unlocked it, he was able to fight his two greatest enemies simultaneously by rapidly switching between small, fast, and evasive forms and strong, hard-hitting ones. When Azmuth unlocked it in Alien Force, Ben didn't pull off creative tricks like this, but he at least changed forms a bunch to use different attacks. Yet in Ultimate Alien after Inspector 13 unlocks the Ultimatrix's master control, absolutely nothing changes about Ben's use of aliens. Did the writers forget about it?it?
**Presumably it was locked again, after Ben rebooted the 'trix.
20th Apr '14 10:54:10 AM Koreviss
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** Ben doesn't know how to do everything his aliens can do. He hasn't trained to know how to travel over electric lines or read thoughts.

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** Ben doesn't know how to do everything his aliens can do. He hasn't trained to know how to travel over electric lines or read thoughts.thoughts.

* What happened to the utility of the master control? In the original series, we saw Ben 10,000 use it for combos like jumping into the air with Fourarms and slamming down with Cannonbolt or laying down a layer of water with Spitter and electrifying it with Buzzshock. When present Ben unlocked it, he was able to fight his two greatest enemies simultaneously by rapidly switching between small, fast, and evasive forms and strong, hard-hitting ones. When Azmuth unlocked it in Alien Force, Ben didn't pull off creative tricks like this, but he at least changed forms a bunch to use different attacks. Yet in Ultimate Alien after Inspector 13 unlocks the Ultimatrix's master control, absolutely nothing changes about Ben's use of aliens. Did the writers forget about it?
20th Apr '14 10:36:52 AM Koreviss
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** Though the only one of them that is useful specifically for that task is Galapagus, whose immunity to mana is invaluable in Legerdomain. Other than him, he didn't really need anything more specific than "powerful aliens."



* So do wizards do, or do not need their magic stuff to use spells? Gwen doesnt count, she's a Anodite. But Hex was powerless without Charms of Bezel, and latter without staff. Charmcaster, on the other hand now doesnt use her bag of tricks anymore or spellbook. Sure, she has her own staff, but she doest use it much. I guess that her clothes are enchanted clothes with Sleeves of Infinite Holding (at least in Ben 10: classic), but that leads to another question: why she could use powers with Gwen's body, or rather why she wasnt suprised that she could do it.
** Presumably Charmcaster has no need for a spellbook because she's already memorized all the spells that were in it. And is using spells that lack a vocal component because that makes them harder to interrupt.
*** And you suggest that Hex didnt memorise even one spell?

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* So do wizards do, or do not need their magic stuff to use spells? Gwen doesnt doesn't count, she's a Anodite. But Hex was powerless without Charms of Bezel, and latter without staff. Charmcaster, on the other hand now doesnt doesn't use her bag of tricks anymore or spellbook. spell-book. Sure, she has her own staff, but she doest doesn't use it much. I guess that her clothes are enchanted clothes with Sleeves of Infinite Holding (at least in Ben 10: classic), but that leads to another question: why she could use powers with Gwen's body, or rather why she wasnt suprised wasn't surprised that she could do it.
** Presumably Charmcaster has no need for a spellbook spell-book because she's already memorized all the spells that were in it. And is using spells that lack a vocal component because that makes them harder to interrupt.
*** And you suggest that Hex didnt memorise didn't memorize even one spell?



* One thing that is consistent between all of the various Ben 10 series is that at no point do Ben, Gwen, Grandpa Max, Kevin, or pretty much anyone else who deals with aliens and/or monsters ever make a secret of what they do, who they are, or who they're related to. Somehow, though, it is only ''after'' some kid makes the connection on the internet that 2+2=4 that Ben becomes famous and his enemies (all of whom know ''exactly'' who he and is friends and family are) attack his family. There's also that part at the end of the first episode of Ultimate Alien where JT and Cash lead the school in applauding Ben when he shows up after being "outed" as a super hero like this sudden news gives them and everyone else new found respect for Ben. This doesn't really jibe with the fact that JT, Cash, and presumably a great deal of their class already know Ben is a shapeshifting superhero because he went hero and fought Cash in the first season Alien Force episode "The Gauntlet."

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* One thing that is consistent between all of the various Ben 10 series is that at no point do Ben, Gwen, Grandpa Max, Kevin, or pretty much anyone else who deals with aliens and/or monsters ever make a secret of what they do, who they are, or who they're related to. Somehow, though, it is only ''after'' some kid makes the connection on the internet that 2+2=4 that Ben becomes famous and his enemies (all of whom know ''exactly'' who he and is his friends and family are) attack his family. There's also that part at the end of the first episode of Ultimate Alien where JT and Cash lead the school in applauding Ben when he shows up after being "outed" as a super hero like this sudden news gives them and everyone else new found respect for Ben. This doesn't really jibe with the fact that JT, Cash, and presumably a great deal of their class already know Ben is a shapeshifting shape-shifting superhero because he went hero and fought Cash in the first season Alien Force episode "The Gauntlet."
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*** Who's "they"? JT and Cash? The other students? The super villains? Everyone in the country? That's kinda the point I was getting at: Ben and company never once hid what they did or who they were, yet it isn't until some kid blogs about it on the internet that anyone anywhere goes "The same Ben Ten(nyson) that every one of us has seen shapeshift into aliens and beat the hell out of supervillains and monsters and aliens is ''actually'' Ben Ten, the shapeshifting alien superhero who beats the hell out of supervillains and monsters and aliens?! We'd better start worshipping/targetting him now that we've learned his awesome 'secret!'"


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\n*** Who's "they"? JT and Cash? The other students? The super villains? Everyone in the country? That's kinda the point I was getting at: Ben and company never once hid what they did or who they were, yet it isn't until some kid blogs about it on the internet that anyone anywhere goes "The same Ben Ten(nyson) that every one of us has seen shapeshift shape-shift into aliens and beat the hell out of supervillains super-villains and monsters and aliens is ''actually'' Ben Ten, the shapeshifting shape-shifting alien superhero who beats the hell out of supervillains super-villains and monsters and aliens?! We'd better start worshipping/targetting worshiping/targeting him now that we've learned his awesome 'secret!'"

'secret!'"







*** Goop could make a hole with acid and UFO would just go through. However, Dwayne just come with SelfDeprecation: Animator draw disk on the other side of the door, when nobody was looking.

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*** Goop could make a hole with acid and UFO would just go through. However, Dwayne just come responded with SelfDeprecation: Animator draw disk on the other side of the door, when nobody was looking.






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** A few episodes later he insists he didn't kill anyone.
31st Mar '14 11:32:30 AM LongLiveHumour
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** Check the WMG that says Ben's aliens are the pinacles of their respective species. Only the fastest Kinecelerans can match XLR8's speeds, most Piscciss Volann dry out even faster than Ripjaws does on dry land, and so on. According to this theory, Echo Echo could be thought of as the {{Naruto}} of Sonorosians; which is to say, [[SelfDuplication duplicating yourself]] takes a lot of energy, but our hero has so much energy to spare that he makes it look easy.

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** Check the WMG that says Ben's aliens are the pinacles of their respective species. Only the fastest Kinecelerans can match XLR8's speeds, most Piscciss Volann dry out even faster than Ripjaws does on dry land, and so on. According to this theory, Echo Echo could be thought of as the {{Naruto}} Manga/{{Naruto}} of Sonorosians; which is to say, [[SelfDuplication duplicating yourself]] takes a lot of energy, but our hero has so much energy to spare that he makes it look easy.
26th Oct '13 8:40:39 AM SeptimusHeap
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* Does anybody else thinks that Ben's aliens are overpowered? Yes, I know what you thinking. ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontLike. But no. Its FridgeLogic. Think, you've got a whole species of creatures that can fly, survive in space, pass through matter, freeze you with breath or touch and [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking reproduce asexualy]]. They could conquer thousand of planets. Another sytuation: you want to kill somebody. All you need to do is find a assasin that can duplicate itself and yell sonics. Said assasin makes like 50 or 200 of copies. If they fail he makes a new ones. If some aliens that Ben now posses didn't come from some peacufull planets, then that kind of power would make space one dangerous and unstable place.

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* Does anybody else thinks that Ben's aliens are overpowered? Yes, I know what you thinking. ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontLike.Administrivia/ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontLike. But no. Its FridgeLogic. Think, you've got a whole species of creatures that can fly, survive in space, pass through matter, freeze you with breath or touch and [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking reproduce asexualy]]. They could conquer thousand of planets. Another sytuation: you want to kill somebody. All you need to do is find a assasin that can duplicate itself and yell sonics. Said assasin makes like 50 or 200 of copies. If they fail he makes a new ones. If some aliens that Ben now posses didn't come from some peacufull planets, then that kind of power would make space one dangerous and unstable place.
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