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** It's implied that he used his connections with the Children of Arkham and Mayor Hill to help himself get a clean record.



* Two questions regarding Arkham Asylum. For one, [[spoiler: how the hell does the head of psychiatry say that John Doe is a "model" patient when his deranged antics is so visibly obvious? Sounds like a case of {{HorribleJudgeOfCharacter}} to me. And she says that Bruce Wayne needs help. And the security. The GODDAMN security in that place is so stupid that I have to think that their "surveillance cameras" are turned off or something. What's up with that? Even the others could obviously see that the Joker instigated the breakout.]]

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*** The Children of Arkham were probably planning on eliminating Catwoman anyways once her usefulness was over.
* Two questions regarding Arkham Asylum. For one, [[spoiler: how the hell does the head of psychiatry say that John Doe is a "model" patient when his deranged antics is so visibly obvious? Sounds like a case of {{HorribleJudgeOfCharacter}} to me. And she says that Bruce Wayne needs help. And the security. The GODDAMN security in that place is so stupid that I have to think that their "surveillance cameras" are turned off or something. What's up with that? Even the others could obviously see that the Joker instigated the breakout.]]]]
** This can mostly be explained as Arkham Asylum being horribly underfunded and mismanaged. A closer inspection reveals that the entire facility is practically falling apart due to disrepair, and the guards are all horribly corrupt or at the very least apathetic to the plight of the patients. As for John Doe, he's very charismatic and probably keeps telling the doctors what they want to hear.
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*** [[spoiler: This troper found their trust in Selina taking a huge nosedive in Episode 4. After saving her at the theater, after understanding her reasons in not speaking to Harvey in the hospital, after trying to explain to Harvey that there ''wasn't'' anything going on between Bruce and Selina (in their playthrough), after all that what does she end up doing? Cut and run, leaving Bruce with just one less ally in his darkest hour. True, it'll likely result in a last-minute return to help Bruce in the finale but it took everything this troper had not to want to cuss her out for being so monumentally self-centered.]]

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*** [[spoiler: This troper found their trust in Selina taking a huge nosedive in Episode 4. After saving her at the theater, after understanding her reasons in not speaking to Harvey in the hospital, after trying to explain to Harvey that there ''wasn't'' anything going on between Bruce and Selina (in their playthrough), after all that what does she end up doing? Cut and run, leaving Bruce with just one less ally in his darkest hour. True, it'll likely result in a last-minute return to help Bruce in the finale but it took everything this troper had not to want to cuss her out for being so monumentally self-centered.]]
* Two questions regarding Arkham Asylum. For one, [[spoiler: how the hell does the head of psychiatry say that John Doe is a "model" patient when his deranged antics is so visibly obvious? Sounds like a case of {{HorribleJudgeOfCharacter}} to me. And she says that Bruce Wayne needs help. And the security. The GODDAMN security in that place is so stupid that I have to think that their "surveillance cameras" are turned off or something. What's up with that? Even the others could obviously see that the Joker instigated the breakout.
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*** [[spoiler: This troper found their trust in Selina taking a huge nosedive in Episode 4. After saving her at the theater, after understanding her reasons in not speaking to Harvey in the hospital, after trying to explain to Harvey that there ''wasn't'' anything going on between Bruce and Selina (in their playthrough), after all that what does she end up doing? Cut and run, leaving Bruce with just one less ally in his darkest hour. True, it'll likely result in a last-minute return to help Bruce in the finally but it took everything this troper had not to want to cuss her out for being so monumentally self-centered.]]

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*** [[spoiler: This troper found their trust in Selina taking a huge nosedive in Episode 4. After saving her at the theater, after understanding her reasons in not speaking to Harvey in the hospital, after trying to explain to Harvey that there ''wasn't'' anything going on between Bruce and Selina (in their playthrough), after all that what does she end up doing? Cut and run, leaving Bruce with just one less ally in his darkest hour. True, it'll likely result in a last-minute return to help Bruce in the finally finale but it took everything this troper had not to want to cuss her out for being so monumentally self-centered.]]
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*** Simple, after the debate, the Children of Arkham might have started to see her as great batman-bait. Just in case.

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*** Simple, after the debate, the Children of Arkham might have started to see her as great batman-bait. Just in case.case.
****[[spoiler: This troper found their trust in Selina taking a huge nosedive in Episode 4. After saving her at the theater, after understanding her reasons in not speaking to Harvey in the hospital, after trying to explain to Harvey that there ''wasn't'' anything going on between Bruce and Selina (in their playthrough), after all that what does she end up doing? Cut and run, leaving Bruce with just one less ally in his darkest hour. True, it'll likely result in a last-minute return to help Bruce in the finally but it took everything this troper had not to want to cuss her out for being so monumentally self-centered.]]
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*** That only half explains it. Bruce has decent reason to think he can trust her. But why do the Children of Arkham think they can work with her after she openly screws up their plans at the debate for no clear gain? Do they think Batman is paying her to help?

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*** That only half explains it. Bruce has decent reason to think he can trust her. But why do the Children of Arkham think they can work with her after she openly screws up their plans at the debate for no clear gain? Do they think Batman is paying her to help?help?
*** Simple, after the debate, the Children of Arkham might have started to see her as great batman-bait. Just in case.
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** Put simply, people trust Selina much more than they trust anyone else save Alfred. For good reason too, think about it. Selina might play both sides, but at the end of the day she's there for Batman and Batman is there for her. It helps that Selina has never done something truly reprehensible like Penguin or -to a lesser extent- Harvey. Publicly bashing your best friend but still needling him for money? Fuck you Dent. But I digress, for the most part, you know where you stand with Selina. Catwoman is Batman's friend. End of story

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** Put simply, people trust Selina much more than they trust anyone else save Alfred. For good reason too, think about it. Selina might play both sides, but at the end of the day she's there for Batman and Batman is there for her. It helps that Selina has never done something truly reprehensible like Penguin or -to a lesser extent- Harvey. Publicly bashing your best friend but still needling him for money? Fuck you Dent. But I digress, for the most part, you know where you stand with Selina. Catwoman is Batman's friend. End of storystory
*** That only half explains it. Bruce has decent reason to think he can trust her. But why do the Children of Arkham think they can work with her after she openly screws up their plans at the debate for no clear gain? Do they think Batman is paying her to help?
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* Why do people keep trusting Selina? She very publicly helps Bruce sabotage the ChArkhies' plans at the debate, and yet, next time we see her they're still working together. Then Bruce trusts her enough to let her help him despite that.

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* Why do people keep trusting Selina? She very publicly helps Bruce sabotage the ChArkhies' plans at the debate, and yet, next time we see her they're still working together. Then Bruce trusts her enough to let her help him despite that.that.
**Put simply, people trust Selina much more than they trust anyone else save Alfred. For good reason too, think about it. Selina might play both sides, but at the end of the day she's there for Batman and Batman is there for her. It helps that Selina has never done something truly reprehensible like Penguin or -to a lesser extent- Harvey. Publicly bashing your best friend but still needling him for money? Fuck you Dent. But I digress, for the most part, you know where you stand with Selina. Catwoman is Batman's friend. End of story
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** Not every choice is meta. Some are impromptu judgment calls. Who's in more danger: one man against a lamp or one woman against multiple guns? Is Batman holding a grudge against Harvey? By the same token, in the next episode - is saving Montoya instead of Harvey a conscious meta effort to create Two-Face, or does the player think Montoya needs Batman's help more? Is the reverse a conscious effort to save Harvey or a grudge against Montoya? OP, please don't paint the player base with the same brush. Everyone's reasons are their own and they don't all fall under "well, he's going to become Two-Face anyway."

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** Not every choice is meta. Some are impromptu judgment calls. Who's in more danger: one man against a lamp or one woman against multiple guns? Is Batman holding a grudge against Harvey? By the same token, in the next episode - is saving Montoya instead of Harvey a conscious meta effort to create Two-Face, or does the player think Montoya needs Batman's help more? Is the reverse a conscious effort to save Harvey or a grudge against Montoya? OP, please don't paint the player base with the same brush. Everyone's reasons are their own and they don't all fall under "well, he's going to become Two-Face anyway.""
* In Episode 1 Bruce has no trouble learning about Oswald's criminal record, including things like (presumably illegal) arms dealing, underground fights, and a dishonorable discharge (from... something...). Yet in Episode 3 the Wayne Enterprises Directors don't find any of this when they check his resumé. How'd he hide it? And if he could do that at any time, why didn't he do it before Episode 1- as in, before getting to Gotham?
* Why do people keep trusting Selina? She very publicly helps Bruce sabotage the ChArkhies' plans at the debate, and yet, next time we see her they're still working together. Then Bruce trusts her enough to let her help him despite that.
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*** Doing something horrible to Selina? You don't save her and this leads to her being less open to Bruce, true, but you hardly just leave her to die no matter what the newspaper said. Saving Harvey just means you see two people in need of help and you go after the civilian longer-friend future mayor of Gotham who is going to be beaten to death with a large light before you go right over to her and take out one of the guys. She may see it as not prioritizing her and that's fair but you don't do anything horrible to her.
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**** We see it in Episode 3. It's called a Cat's Claw. Bruce can steal it.
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** [[spoiler:You'd be surprised how much people use that kind of quote-unquote "logic", where blood relation automatically makes people assume they're alike.]]

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** [[spoiler:You'd be surprised how much people use that kind of quote-unquote "logic", where blood relation automatically makes people assume they're alike. Hell, it's pretty much what kicks off Bane's origin story.]]
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**** Wrong on that note. Your choice affects how Selina reacts. Save her and her reaction is more receptive, hoping you'll make breakfast for her, whereas if you don't, she outright states that last night didn't mean anything on account of how you left her at the debate. On that note, it comes across as hypocritical to lambaste people for "letting Harvey because Two-Face because he will anyway" while criticizing pro-Selina players because "you'll get to sleep with her anyway."
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** Not every choice is meta. Some are impromptu judgment calls. Who's in more danger: one man against a lamp or one woman against multiple guns? Is Batman holding a grudge against Harvey? By the same token, in the next episode - is saving Montoya instead of Harvey a conscious meta effort to create Two-Face, or does the player think Montoya needs Batman's help more? OP, please don't paint the player base with the same brush. Everyone's reasons are their own and they don't all fall under "well, he's going to become Two-Face anyway."

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** Not every choice is meta. Some are impromptu judgment calls. Who's in more danger: one man against a lamp or one woman against multiple guns? Is Batman holding a grudge against Harvey? By the same token, in the next episode - is saving Montoya instead of Harvey a conscious meta effort to create Two-Face, or does the player think Montoya needs Batman's help more? Is the reverse a conscious effort to save Harvey or a grudge against Montoya? OP, please don't paint the player base with the same brush. Everyone's reasons are their own and they don't all fall under "well, he's going to become Two-Face anyway."
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*** Except nothing changes with Selina even if you chose to help Harvey first. You can still end up sleeping with her - with the following scene with Harvey leaving the impression that in this case it's ''your actions'' that have driven him over the edge.

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*** Except nothing changes with Selina even if you chose to help Harvey first. You can still end up sleeping with her - with the following scene with Harvey leaving the impression that in this case it's ''your actions'' that have driven him over the edge.edge.
** Not every choice is meta. Some are impromptu judgment calls. Who's in more danger: one man against a lamp or one woman against multiple guns? Is Batman holding a grudge against Harvey? By the same token, in the next episode - is saving Montoya instead of Harvey a conscious meta effort to create Two-Face, or does the player think Montoya needs Batman's help more? OP, please don't paint the player base with the same brush. Everyone's reasons are their own and they don't all fall under "well, he's going to become Two-Face anyway."

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** Also, because it requires doing something horrible to Selina, thereby possibly causing HER to turn Evil...and, the theory that Harvey will turn evil ANYWAY makes it pointless.

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** Also, because it requires doing something horrible to Selina, thereby possibly causing HER to turn Evil... and, the theory that Harvey will turn evil ANYWAY makes it pointless.pointless.
*** Except nothing changes with Selina even if you chose to help Harvey first. You can still end up sleeping with her - with the following scene with Harvey leaving the impression that in this case it's ''your actions'' that have driven him over the edge.
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** That and Telltale has a track record that if one can prevent injury or death for a character, then an unavoidable injury or death will happen for said character later on.

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** That and Telltale has a track record that if one can prevent injury or death for a character, then an unavoidable injury or death will happen for said character later on.on.
** Also, because it requires doing something horrible to Selina, thereby possibly causing HER to turn Evil...and, the theory that Harvey will turn evil ANYWAY makes it pointless.
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** It's probably because Two-Face is a popular villain and people want him in their game. I wouldn't know though. I saved Dent.

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** It's probably because Two-Face is a popular villain and people want him in their game. I wouldn't know though. I saved Dent.Dent.
** That and Telltale has a track record that if one can prevent injury or death for a character, then an unavoidable injury or death will happen for said character later on.
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* A bit Meta, but...Why. Why, Why, WHY do people prefer letting Harvey Become Two-Face other than a half-assed "Oh, He'll become Two-Face later." That's got to be the dumbest goddamn excuse I've ever heard. If you can prevent or just postpone a Tragedy, a [[BodyHorror VERY Gruesome]] one too, Why not just take the chance?

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* A bit Meta, but...Why. Why, Why, WHY do people prefer letting Harvey Become Two-Face other than a half-assed "Oh, He'll become Two-Face later." That's got to be the dumbest goddamn excuse I've ever heard. If you can prevent or just postpone a Tragedy, a [[BodyHorror VERY Gruesome]] one too, Why not just take the chance?chance?
** It's probably because Two-Face is a popular villain and people want him in their game. I wouldn't know though. I saved Dent.
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** [[spoiler:You'd be surprised how much people use that kind of quote-unquote "logic", where blood relation automatically makes people assume they're alike.]]

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** [[spoiler:You'd be surprised how much people use that kind of quote-unquote "logic", where blood relation automatically makes people assume they're alike.]]]]
* A bit Meta, but...Why. Why, Why, WHY do people prefer letting Harvey Become Two-Face other than a half-assed "Oh, He'll become Two-Face later." That's got to be the dumbest goddamn excuse I've ever heard. If you can prevent or just postpone a Tragedy, a [[BodyHorror VERY Gruesome]] one too, Why not just take the chance?
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** [[spoiler: Well, you know, technically, [[RightForTheWrongReasons they are right]]; he ''is'' a criminal, just more "outlaw vigilante" than DiabolicalMastermind.]]

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** [[spoiler: Well, you know, technically, [[RightForTheWrongReasons they are right]]; he ''is'' a criminal, just more "outlaw vigilante" than DiabolicalMastermind.]]
** [[spoiler:You'd be surprised how much people use that kind of quote-unquote "logic", where blood relation automatically makes people assume they're alike.
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*** (OP) I mean the little motor thingy that attaches to the wall and wheels upward, taking her with
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** [[spoiler:Well that and people love a scandal. Rich idle boy Brucie's money coming from criminal enterprises? It would explain so much about him not having a job...]]

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** [[spoiler:Well that and people love a scandal. Rich idle boy Brucie's money coming from criminal enterprises? It would explain so much about him not having a job...]]
** [[spoiler: Well, you know, technically, [[RightForTheWrongReasons they are right]]; he ''is'' a criminal, just more "outlaw vigilante" than DiabolicalMastermind.
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*** It's not the grappling hook. It's hand-mounted, shaped like a cat's paw, and has purple lights regardless of the player's designated colour. She uses it to ascend an elevator in their first encounter, before she swipes his grapple.
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*** The grappling gun she stole from Bruce, in fact!



** [[spoiler:I suppose the citizens of Gotham have a LikeFatherLikeSon mentality. Which is silly, but there you go.]]

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** [[spoiler:I suppose the citizens of Gotham have a LikeFatherLikeSon mentality. Which is silly, but there you go.]]
** [[spoiler:Well that and people love a scandal. Rich idle boy Brucie's money coming from criminal enterprises? It would explain so much about him not having a job...
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* So why exactly are people thinking that Bruce is [[spoiler:a criminal like his father? Bruce was eight when his parents were killed, and he seems to be mid-twenties here, so he'd be too young to get involved with whatever Falcone and Hill were doing between Crime Alley and the start of the game.]]

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* So why exactly are people thinking that Bruce is [[spoiler:a criminal like his father? Bruce was eight when his parents were killed, and he seems to be mid-twenties here, so he'd be too young to get involved with whatever Falcone and Hill were doing between Crime Alley and the start of the game.]]
** [[spoiler:I suppose the citizens of Gotham have a LikeFatherLikeSon mentality. Which is silly, but there you go.
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* So why exactly are people thinking that Bruce is [[spoiler:a criminal like his father? Bruce was eight when his parents were killed, and he seems to be mid-twenties here, so he's be too young to get involved with whatever Falcone and Hill were doing between Crime Alley and the start of the game.]]

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* So why exactly are people thinking that Bruce is [[spoiler:a criminal like his father? Bruce was eight when his parents were killed, and he seems to be mid-twenties here, so he's he'd be too young to get involved with whatever Falcone and Hill were doing between Crime Alley and the start of the game.]]
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** I'm pretty sure it's just a grappling gun.

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** I'm pretty sure it's just a grappling gun.gun.
* So why exactly are people thinking that Bruce is [[spoiler:a criminal like his father? Bruce was eight when his parents were killed, and he seems to be mid-twenties here, so he's be too young to get involved with whatever Falcone and Hill were doing between Crime Alley and the start of the game.]]
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** [[DeadpanSnarker Yeah it's called a Grappling Gun. ]]

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** [[DeadpanSnarker Yeah I'm pretty sure it's called just a Grappling Gun. ]]grappling gun.
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* Is there a word for that little gadget Catwoman uses to propel herself up walls?

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* Is there a word for that little gadget Catwoman uses to propel herself up walls?walls?
**[[DeadpanSnarker Yeah it's called a Grappling Gun. ]]
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* Is there a word for that little gadget Catwoman uses to propel herself up walls?

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